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@maxxie.
It’s going to be in Qatar’s winter so December/jan and end of 2022/start 2023 to avoid the Winter Olympics at start of 2022. Fifa may not have ratified/voted it officially yet but they’ve stated that’s their intent.
Which makes perfect sense and might make it a tolerable event.
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+xYou'd think USA more likely than England as 2018 is already in Europe, and FIFA won't want same federation to have 2 in a row. This was my first thought. Though as someone mentioned the USA getting it twice before England snt really fair.
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+x@maxxie. It’s going to be in Qatar’s winter so December/jan and end of 2022/start 2023 to avoid the Winter Olympics at start of 2022. Fifa may not have ratified/voted it officially yet but they’ve stated that’s their intent. Which makes perfect sense and might make it a tolerable event. What does Qatar care if the world cup runs over Christmas But seriously, maybe this effects the top leagues in Europe but they can fall in to line with other EU countries that have a split season. The Czech league plays the firsst 15 rounds then goes in to hiatus for 10 weeks before finishing the second half. Seems to work fine because there's no point abandoning glass pitches in winter, nor butting heads with the hokej.
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greenlionii
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obviouslly china want to host 2030, five or six CSL club had already started construction of new stadiums. so I prefer USA for 2022 then it'll be reasonable for AFC countries for 2030
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aussie scott21
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+xobviouslly china want to host 2030, five or six CSL club had already started construction of new stadiums. so I prefer USA for 2022 then it'll be reasonable for AFC countries for 2030 Looks pretty certain. I cant see Japan or SK beating it. Australia should team up with Indonesia and bid. Not really related but - I dont like the system that will be used from 2026 with 48 teams instead of 32. It is imo purely to ensure China (and USA among others qualify) and eventually India. Of course with 9 or 9.5 spots for 2026 China should qualify. I would prefer 64 teams at the World Cup and have it on 2 continents. So you have 6 games per day. People complain that the quality would be lowered and yes it would but so many more countries would be involved. It is the WC after all. Is the Asian Cup big in China? That also grew for 2015. This was again I think so India could get in.
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greenlionii
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It is not a secret that China want to bid for the 2030 WC, China is now bidding for 2023 AFC Asian Cup, a lot of construction plan had already announced.
The CSL clubs are requested to build their own stadium or joint construction with local government,as part of the criteria demandef by the CSL. the CSL also planing a bidding for 2019 and 2020 FIFA club world cup, some clubs had started their project
Tianjin Quanjian - a 45,000 seated soccer venue planed to be open in 2019
Hebei CFFC - had started the counstruction of CFFC stadium earlier this spring, Capacity 46,000 Special football Venue, will be open in 2019
Shanghai SIPG - the SIPG had started joint construction with Shanghai Government to build a 56,000 capacity football Venue in Pudong Area, planed to be open in 2019.
Guangzhou Evergrande & Guangzhou R&F - on June 2016, Guangzhou Government announced the plan of a 80,000 Capacity football Venue in cooperation with Two CSL clubs, it will be built in Panyu District, planned to be open before 2020.
Jiangsu Suning- their boss who is also chairman of Inter Milan，had announced that Suning Group will build a New stadium
Chengdu - the city doesn't have any CSL clubs currentlly，But it is a regular home city for Team China， planned to built a 60,000 Seated Football Venue，planed to start construction in 2018.
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greenlionii
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+x+xobviouslly china want to host 2030, five or six CSL club had already started construction of new stadiums. so I prefer USA for 2022 then it'll be reasonable for AFC countries for 2030 Looks pretty certain. I cant see Japan or SK beating it. Australia should team up with Indonesia and bid. Not really related but - I dont like the system that will be used from 2026 with 48 teams instead of 32. It is imo purely to ensure China (and USA among others qualify) and eventually India. Of course with 9 or 9.5 spots for 2026 China should qualify. I would prefer 64 teams at the World Cup and have it on 2 continents. So you have 6 games per day. People complain that the quality would be lowered and yes it would but so many more countries would be involved. It is the WC after all. Is the Asian Cup big in China? That also grew for 2015. This was again I think so India could get in. China host Asian Cup 2004, average attendance is 31,877 still the highest in Asian Cup history so yes Asian Cup is a important tournament in China
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aussie scott21
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+x+x+xobviouslly china want to host 2030, five or six CSL club had already started construction of new stadiums. so I prefer USA for 2022 then it'll be reasonable for AFC countries for 2030 Looks pretty certain. I cant see Japan or SK beating it. Australia should team up with Indonesia and bid. Not really related but - I dont like the system that will be used from 2026 with 48 teams instead of 32. It is imo purely to ensure China (and USA among others qualify) and eventually India. Of course with 9 or 9.5 spots for 2026 China should qualify. I would prefer 64 teams at the World Cup and have it on 2 continents. So you have 6 games per day. People complain that the quality would be lowered and yes it would but so many more countries would be involved. It is the WC after all. Is the Asian Cup big in China? That also grew for 2015. This was again I think so India could get in. China host Asian Cup 2004, average attendance is 31,877 still the highest in Asian Cup history so yea Asian Cup is a important tournament in China Do Chinese fans judge Australian football on national team results or Asian Champions League?
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greenlionii
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+x+x+x+xobviouslly china want to host 2030, five or six CSL club had already started construction of new stadiums. so I prefer USA for 2022 then it'll be reasonable for AFC countries for 2030 Looks pretty certain. I cant see Japan or SK beating it. Australia should team up with Indonesia and bid. Not really related but - I dont like the system that will be used from 2026 with 48 teams instead of 32. It is imo purely to ensure China (and USA among others qualify) and eventually India. Of course with 9 or 9.5 spots for 2026 China should qualify. I would prefer 64 teams at the World Cup and have it on 2 continents. So you have 6 games per day. People complain that the quality would be lowered and yes it would but so many more countries would be involved. It is the WC after all. Is the Asian Cup big in China? That also grew for 2015. This was again I think so India could get in. China host Asian Cup 2004, average attendance is 31,877 still the highest in Asian Cup history so yea Asian Cup is a important tournament in China Do Chinese fans judge Australian football on national team results or Asian Champions League? to be honest I'd say both of them, important tournament like Asian Cup, World Cup is broadcasted by CCTV5, includes qualifiers, A-League is broadcasted throught internet platform like LETV or PPTV. majority of Chinese fans aware in national team level china is behind South Korea, Australia Iran Uzbekistan Japan and Saudi Arabia etc, but fans believes CSL is better than A-League and J-League, and quality is lower than K-League, not only because of the results in ACL, these leagues are also broadcasted in China so chinese fans could have good knowledge on them
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If it can be proved that Qatar bribed officials to get them to vote in their favour, then surely Qatar wouldn't have any hope of successfully suing FIFA.
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+xThis is the first time I think there is a change that it could loose the World Cup. Everything in football is now politics and money, Qatar was handed the World Cup because of bribes and a lot of money, but the political situation is changed since the appointment of Qatar.Saudi Arabia U.A.I and some other countries have closed their borders and holding an embargo towards Qatar. So they rather want the World Cup to go to another country than Qatar.It is still not to late England and USA could be ready in 1 year, and would it not be great to have a cool beer in England or USA! Neither refrigerate their glasses and the beer is now what I rate as cold.😉 I like the idea this may finally be happening, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Since it’s public knowledge that Qatar bribed FIFA to get the World Cup and the only thing stinks. What are the chances the actual World Cup games are rigged?
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Would love for it to happen but I doubt it would occur.
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Nachoman
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+x+x+x+x+xobviouslly china want to host 2030, five or six CSL club had already started construction of new stadiums. so I prefer USA for 2022 then it'll be reasonable for AFC countries for 2030 Looks pretty certain. I cant see Japan or SK beating it. Australia should team up with Indonesia and bid. Not really related but - I dont like the system that will be used from 2026 with 48 teams instead of 32. It is imo purely to ensure China (and USA among others qualify) and eventually India. Of course with 9 or 9.5 spots for 2026 China should qualify. I would prefer 64 teams at the World Cup and have it on 2 continents. So you have 6 games per day. People complain that the quality would be lowered and yes it would but so many more countries would be involved. It is the WC after all. Is the Asian Cup big in China? That also grew for 2015. This was again I think so India could get in. China host Asian Cup 2004, average attendance is 31,877 still the highest in Asian Cup history so yea Asian Cup is a important tournament in China Do Chinese fans judge Australian football on national team results or Asian Champions League? to be honest I'd say both of them, important tournament like Asian Cup, World Cup is broadcasted by CCTV5, includes qualifiers, A-League is broadcasted throught internet platform like LETV or PPTV. majority of Chinese fans aware in national team level china is behind South Korea, Australia Iran Uzbekistan Japan and Saudi Arabia etc, but fans believes CSL is better than A-League and J-League, and quality is lower than K-League, not only because of the results in ACL, these leagues are also broadcasted in China so chinese fans could have good knowledge on them Do chinese fans know AFL is bigger than football in Shanghai ? ( sorry joke ) Seriously , would love for China to host World Cup .. and for a smaller SEAsian nation to host AFC Tournament ( Malaysia. Thailand, SG etc )
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+xSince it’s public knowledge that Qatar bribed FIFA to get the World Cup and the only thing stinks. What are the chances the actual World Cup games are rigged? no one wants to go there, and the world loves the WC way beyond anything else (as long as the traditional big countries are in the final four)
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2010 and 2006 was rigged too. We bribed for Sydney 2000. If it's proven Qatar bribed, it can probably be proven the others did too.
I too would love for Qatar to lose the rights for it, only if the USA gets it. Would be great travelling to back to back world cups in Russia and USA.
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+xIt is not a secret that China want to bid for the 2030 WC, China is now bidding for 2023 AFC Asian Cup, a lot of construction plan had already announced.
The CSL clubs are requested to build their own stadium or joint construction with local government,as part of the criteria demandef by the CSL. the CSL also planing a bidding for 2019 and 2020 FIFA club world cup, some clubs had started their project
Tianjin Quanjian - a 45,000 seated soccer venue planed to be open in 2019
Hebei CFFC - had started the counstruction of CFFC stadium earlier this spring, Capacity 46,000 Special football Venue, will be open in 2019
Shanghai SIPG - the SIPG had started joint construction with Shanghai Government to build a 56,000 capacity football Venue in Pudong Area, planed to be open in 2019.
Guangzhou Evergrande & Guangzhou R&F - on June 2016, Guangzhou Government announced the plan of a 80,000 Capacity football Venue in cooperation with Two CSL clubs, it will be built in Panyu District, planned to be open before 2020.
Jiangsu Suning- their boss who is also chairman of Inter Milan，had announced that Suning Group will build a New stadium
Chengdu - the city doesn't have any CSL clubs currentlly，But it is a regular home city for Team China， planned to built a 60,000 Seated Football Venue，planed to start construction in 2018. This is great, leave it to China to build things big! Are all these going to be rectangular stadia? That's the only gripe I have with the majority of your stadiums right now, most of them have athletics tracks. The Bird's Nest in Beijing gets a pass, of course.
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Nachoman
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+x+xIt is not a secret that China want to bid for the 2030 WC, China is now bidding for 2023 AFC Asian Cup, a lot of construction plan had already announced.
The CSL clubs are requested to build their own stadium or joint construction with local government,as part of the criteria demandef by the CSL. the CSL also planing a bidding for 2019 and 2020 FIFA club world cup, some clubs had started their project
Tianjin Quanjian - a 45,000 seated soccer venue planed to be open in 2019
Hebei CFFC - had started the counstruction of CFFC stadium earlier this spring, Capacity 46,000 Special football Venue, will be open in 2019
Shanghai SIPG - the SIPG had started joint construction with Shanghai Government to build a 56,000 capacity football Venue in Pudong Area, planed to be open in 2019.
Guangzhou Evergrande & Guangzhou R&F - on June 2016, Guangzhou Government announced the plan of a 80,000 Capacity football Venue in cooperation with Two CSL clubs, it will be built in Panyu District, planned to be open before 2020.
Jiangsu Suning- their boss who is also chairman of Inter Milan，had announced that Suning Group will build a New stadium
Chengdu - the city doesn't have any CSL clubs currentlly，But it is a regular home city for Team China， planned to built a 60,000 Seated Football Venue，planed to start construction in 2018. This is great, leave it to China to build thing big! Are all these going to be rectangular stadia? That's the only gripe I have with the majority of your stadiums right now, most of them have athletics tracks. The Bird's Nest in Beijing gets a pass, of course. The chinese are building it for AFL...
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paladisious
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+x+x+xIt is not a secret that China want to bid for the 2030 WC, China is now bidding for 2023 AFC Asian Cup, a lot of construction plan had already announced.
The CSL clubs are requested to build their own stadium or joint construction with local government,as part of the criteria demandef by the CSL. the CSL also planing a bidding for 2019 and 2020 FIFA club world cup, some clubs had started their project
Tianjin Quanjian - a 45,000 seated soccer venue planed to be open in 2019
Hebei CFFC - had started the counstruction of CFFC stadium earlier this spring, Capacity 46,000 Special football Venue, will be open in 2019
Shanghai SIPG - the SIPG had started joint construction with Shanghai Government to build a 56,000 capacity football Venue in Pudong Area, planed to be open in 2019.
Guangzhou Evergrande & Guangzhou R&F - on June 2016, Guangzhou Government announced the plan of a 80,000 Capacity football Venue in cooperation with Two CSL clubs, it will be built in Panyu District, planned to be open before 2020.
Jiangsu Suning- their boss who is also chairman of Inter Milan，had announced that Suning Group will build a New stadium
Chengdu - the city doesn't have any CSL clubs currentlly，But it is a regular home city for Team China， planned to built a 60,000 Seated Football Venue，planed to start construction in 2018. This is great, leave it to China to build thing big! Are all these going to be rectangular stadia? That's the only gripe I have with the majority of your stadiums right now, most of them have athletics tracks. The Bird's Nest in Beijing gets a pass, of course. The chinese are building it for AFL... Thanks for starting my monday with a good laugh!
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Nachoman
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+x+x+x+xIt is not a secret that China want to bid for the 2030 WC, China is now bidding for 2023 AFC Asian Cup, a lot of construction plan had already announced.
The CSL clubs are requested to build their own stadium or joint construction with local government,as part of the criteria demandef by the CSL. the CSL also planing a bidding for 2019 and 2020 FIFA club world cup, some clubs had started their project
Tianjin Quanjian - a 45,000 seated soccer venue planed to be open in 2019
Hebei CFFC - had started the counstruction of CFFC stadium earlier this spring, Capacity 46,000 Special football Venue, will be open in 2019
Shanghai SIPG - the SIPG had started joint construction with Shanghai Government to build a 56,000 capacity football Venue in Pudong Area, planed to be open in 2019.
Guangzhou Evergrande & Guangzhou R&F - on June 2016, Guangzhou Government announced the plan of a 80,000 Capacity football Venue in cooperation with Two CSL clubs, it will be built in Panyu District, planned to be open before 2020.
Jiangsu Suning- their boss who is also chairman of Inter Milan，had announced that Suning Group will build a New stadium
Chengdu - the city doesn't have any CSL clubs currentlly，But it is a regular home city for Team China， planned to built a 60,000 Seated Football Venue，planed to start construction in 2018. This is great, leave it to China to build thing big! Are all these going to be rectangular stadia? That's the only gripe I have with the majority of your stadiums right now, most of them have athletics tracks. The Bird's Nest in Beijing gets a pass, of course. The chinese are building it for AFL... Thanks for starting my monday with a good laugh! oh you must of had a super weekend with your mob beating us 3 nil to top it off
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+x+x+x+x+xI'd be thrilled if it goes to England. Qatar would be an awful experience for fans, as well as taking a shit all over human rights. It's bad enough that Vladimir Putin's regime is being granted the privilege of hosting a World Cup, despite its gross violations of human rights, violations of other aspects of international law (cough Ukraine) and perverting democratic elections by banning rivals from running for office. FIFA took a dump on all things it should be seeking to promote by giving Russia hosting rights. But Russia then Qatar is deplorable. the irony in this statement though lol What irony? I'm assuming you find it ironic to criticise Russia in the same breath as (effectively) praising England. I'm talking about England now, not England when she (or rather Britain) was was misappropriating Ireland, India, huge chunks of Africa and many other places in the world. I'm very critical of what the UK does today (I'm also equally critical of Australia, the European Union and I'm even more critical of the USA's Trump and Obama Administrations). But frankly it's risible to suggest that the UK's actions today are anywhere near as bad the Russian Federation's current legal and moral transgressions. Jeremy Corbyn is not barred from contesting the General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is not arrested for spurious reasons. People who identify as gay are not subject to state-sponsored hatred in the UK. The UK has no intention of trying to 'reclaim' the other 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Journalists who criticise Theresa May have no need to fear being gunned down in the elevator of their apartment block. HMG and the British Armed Forces do not pass on weaponry to their militia with which they bring down commercial aircraft. In Russia, the equivalent of all those things has happened recently/is happening now. So giving the Russian Federation hosting rights? Despicable behaviour. Hosting the World Cup is a privilege, not a right. The Russian Federation deserves no privileges whatsoever. N.B. this is not an attack on Russians. I'm truly indebted to one Russian in particular. And there are plenty who oppose the actions of the Russian Federation. But the 'useful idiocy' of people in the West who indulge in moral relativism to justify the actions of the Kremlin truly beggars belief. Some truth mixed with some insane propaganda that you have believed. You are a good lad, I really can't be bothered delving into this on a football forum, but keep reading, keep looking at both sides, as I believe you are intelligent enough to realise no one is good in this and that the west has been extremely hypocritical mixed with the ignorant media reports in regards to Russia. Peace :D Fuck another alternative trendy type sticking up for Russia. Reads too much Russia Today because it's 'totally not biased'. I don't think a world cup could be moved. Qatar has invested a lot and on this basis, would sue to pants of FIFA.
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greenlionii
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+x+xIt is not a secret that China want to bid for the 2030 WC, China is now bidding for 2023 AFC Asian Cup, a lot of construction plan had already announced.
The CSL clubs are requested to build their own stadium or joint construction with local government,as part of the criteria demandef by the CSL. the CSL also planing a bidding for 2019 and 2020 FIFA club world cup, some clubs had started their project
Tianjin Quanjian - a 45,000 seated soccer venue planed to be open in 2019
Hebei CFFC - had started the counstruction of CFFC stadium earlier this spring, Capacity 46,000 Special football Venue, will be open in 2019
Shanghai SIPG - the SIPG had started joint construction with Shanghai Government to build a 56,000 capacity football Venue in Pudong Area, planed to be open in 2019.
Guangzhou Evergrande & Guangzhou R&F - on June 2016, Guangzhou Government announced the plan of a 80,000 Capacity football Venue in cooperation with Two CSL clubs, it will be built in Panyu District, planned to be open before 2020.
Jiangsu Suning- their boss who is also chairman of Inter Milan，had announced that Suning Group will build a New stadium
Chengdu - the city doesn't have any CSL clubs currentlly，But it is a regular home city for Team China， planned to built a 60,000 Seated Football Venue，planed to start construction in 2018. This is great, leave it to China to build things big! Are all these going to be rectangular stadia? That's the only gripe I have with the majority of your stadiums right now, most of them have athletics tracks. The Bird's Nest in Beijing gets a pass, of course. Yes according to effective pictures some of them will be rectagular stadium Hebei CFFC   Shanghai SIPG    Tianjin Quanjian 
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI'd be thrilled if it goes to England. Qatar would be an awful experience for fans, as well as taking a shit all over human rights. It's bad enough that Vladimir Putin's regime is being granted the privilege of hosting a World Cup, despite its gross violations of human rights, violations of other aspects of international law (cough Ukraine) and perverting democratic elections by banning rivals from running for office. FIFA took a dump on all things it should be seeking to promote by giving Russia hosting rights. But Russia then Qatar is deplorable. the irony in this statement though lol What irony? I'm assuming you find it ironic to criticise Russia in the same breath as (effectively) praising England. I'm talking about England now, not England when she (or rather Britain) was was misappropriating Ireland, India, huge chunks of Africa and many other places in the world. I'm very critical of what the UK does today (I'm also equally critical of Australia, the European Union and I'm even more critical of the USA's Trump and Obama Administrations). But frankly it's risible to suggest that the UK's actions today are anywhere near as bad the Russian Federation's current legal and moral transgressions. Jeremy Corbyn is not barred from contesting the General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is not arrested for spurious reasons. People who identify as gay are not subject to state-sponsored hatred in the UK. The UK has no intention of trying to 'reclaim' the other 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Journalists who criticise Theresa May have no need to fear being gunned down in the elevator of their apartment block. HMG and the British Armed Forces do not pass on weaponry to their militia with which they bring down commercial aircraft. In Russia, the equivalent of all those things has happened recently/is happening now. So giving the Russian Federation hosting rights? Despicable behaviour. Hosting the World Cup is a privilege, not a right. The Russian Federation deserves no privileges whatsoever. N.B. this is not an attack on Russians. I'm truly indebted to one Russian in particular. And there are plenty who oppose the actions of the Russian Federation. But the 'useful idiocy' of people in the West who indulge in moral relativism to justify the actions of the Kremlin truly beggars belief. Some truth mixed with some insane propaganda that you have believed. You are a good lad, I really can't be bothered delving into this on a football forum, but keep reading, keep looking at both sides, as I believe you are intelligent enough to realise no one is good in this and that the west has been extremely hypocritical mixed with the ignorant media reports in regards to Russia. Peace :D Fuck another alternative trendy type sticking up for Russia. Reads too much Russia Today because it's 'totally not biased'. I don't think a world cup could be moved. Qatar has invested a lot and on this basis, would sue to pants of FIFA. Making up quotes and assumptions, nice. Forgot this forum is filled with idiots.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'd be thrilled if it goes to England. Qatar would be an awful experience for fans, as well as taking a shit all over human rights. It's bad enough that Vladimir Putin's regime is being granted the privilege of hosting a World Cup, despite its gross violations of human rights, violations of other aspects of international law (cough Ukraine) and perverting democratic elections by banning rivals from running for office. FIFA took a dump on all things it should be seeking to promote by giving Russia hosting rights. But Russia then Qatar is deplorable. the irony in this statement though lol What irony? I'm assuming you find it ironic to criticise Russia in the same breath as (effectively) praising England. I'm talking about England now, not England when she (or rather Britain) was was misappropriating Ireland, India, huge chunks of Africa and many other places in the world. I'm very critical of what the UK does today (I'm also equally critical of Australia, the European Union and I'm even more critical of the USA's Trump and Obama Administrations). But frankly it's risible to suggest that the UK's actions today are anywhere near as bad the Russian Federation's current legal and moral transgressions. Jeremy Corbyn is not barred from contesting the General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is not arrested for spurious reasons. People who identify as gay are not subject to state-sponsored hatred in the UK. The UK has no intention of trying to 'reclaim' the other 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Journalists who criticise Theresa May have no need to fear being gunned down in the elevator of their apartment block. HMG and the British Armed Forces do not pass on weaponry to their militia with which they bring down commercial aircraft. In Russia, the equivalent of all those things has happened recently/is happening now. So giving the Russian Federation hosting rights? Despicable behaviour. Hosting the World Cup is a privilege, not a right. The Russian Federation deserves no privileges whatsoever. N.B. this is not an attack on Russians. I'm truly indebted to one Russian in particular. And there are plenty who oppose the actions of the Russian Federation. But the 'useful idiocy' of people in the West who indulge in moral relativism to justify the actions of the Kremlin truly beggars belief. Some truth mixed with some insane propaganda that you have believed. You are a good lad, I really can't be bothered delving into this on a football forum, but keep reading, keep looking at both sides, as I believe you are intelligent enough to realise no one is good in this and that the west has been extremely hypocritical mixed with the ignorant media reports in regards to Russia. Peace :D Fuck another alternative trendy type sticking up for Russia. Reads too much Russia Today because it's 'totally not biased'. I don't think a world cup could be moved. Qatar has invested a lot and on this basis, would sue to pants of FIFA. Making up quotes and assumptions, nice. Forgot this forum is filled with idiots. Don't be upset because you've made a statement and then said its too hard to justify yourself. We all know someone who thinks they know everything..... I won't pretend like any country is a saint, shit our own country treat war refugees like criminals but some countries are worse than others.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'd be thrilled if it goes to England. Qatar would be an awful experience for fans, as well as taking a shit all over human rights. It's bad enough that Vladimir Putin's regime is being granted the privilege of hosting a World Cup, despite its gross violations of human rights, violations of other aspects of international law (cough Ukraine) and perverting democratic elections by banning rivals from running for office. FIFA took a dump on all things it should be seeking to promote by giving Russia hosting rights. But Russia then Qatar is deplorable. the irony in this statement though lol What irony? I'm assuming you find it ironic to criticise Russia in the same breath as (effectively) praising England. I'm talking about England now, not England when she (or rather Britain) was was misappropriating Ireland, India, huge chunks of Africa and many other places in the world. I'm very critical of what the UK does today (I'm also equally critical of Australia, the European Union and I'm even more critical of the USA's Trump and Obama Administrations). But frankly it's risible to suggest that the UK's actions today are anywhere near as bad the Russian Federation's current legal and moral transgressions. Jeremy Corbyn is not barred from contesting the General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is not arrested for spurious reasons. People who identify as gay are not subject to state-sponsored hatred in the UK. The UK has no intention of trying to 'reclaim' the other 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Journalists who criticise Theresa May have no need to fear being gunned down in the elevator of their apartment block. HMG and the British Armed Forces do not pass on weaponry to their militia with which they bring down commercial aircraft. In Russia, the equivalent of all those things has happened recently/is happening now. So giving the Russian Federation hosting rights? Despicable behaviour. Hosting the World Cup is a privilege, not a right. The Russian Federation deserves no privileges whatsoever. N.B. this is not an attack on Russians. I'm truly indebted to one Russian in particular. And there are plenty who oppose the actions of the Russian Federation. But the 'useful idiocy' of people in the West who indulge in moral relativism to justify the actions of the Kremlin truly beggars belief. Some truth mixed with some insane propaganda that you have believed. You are a good lad, I really can't be bothered delving into this on a football forum, but keep reading, keep looking at both sides, as I believe you are intelligent enough to realise no one is good in this and that the west has been extremely hypocritical mixed with the ignorant media reports in regards to Russia. Peace :D Fuck another alternative trendy type sticking up for Russia. Reads too much Russia Today because it's 'totally not biased'. I don't think a world cup could be moved. Qatar has invested a lot and on this basis, would sue to pants of FIFA. Making up quotes and assumptions, nice. Forgot this forum is filled with idiots. Don't be upset because you've made a statement and then said its too hard to justify yourself. We all know someone who thinks they know everything..... I won't pretend like any country is a saint, shit our own country treat war refugees like criminals but some countries are worse than others. I didn't say that at all, all I suggested is that I am not going to bother writing hundreds of words on a football forum about politics..as you know it's a football forum. Got better things to do lol and wished quickflix all the best as I like his contributions. You chimed in making assumptions. Maybe years ago when I was a uni student I would have got into a debate. Got dental implants to place now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'd be thrilled if it goes to England. Qatar would be an awful experience for fans, as well as taking a shit all over human rights. It's bad enough that Vladimir Putin's regime is being granted the privilege of hosting a World Cup, despite its gross violations of human rights, violations of other aspects of international law (cough Ukraine) and perverting democratic elections by banning rivals from running for office. FIFA took a dump on all things it should be seeking to promote by giving Russia hosting rights. But Russia then Qatar is deplorable. the irony in this statement though lol What irony? I'm assuming you find it ironic to criticise Russia in the same breath as (effectively) praising England. I'm talking about England now, not England when she (or rather Britain) was was misappropriating Ireland, India, huge chunks of Africa and many other places in the world. I'm very critical of what the UK does today (I'm also equally critical of Australia, the European Union and I'm even more critical of the USA's Trump and Obama Administrations). But frankly it's risible to suggest that the UK's actions today are anywhere near as bad the Russian Federation's current legal and moral transgressions. Jeremy Corbyn is not barred from contesting the General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is not arrested for spurious reasons. People who identify as gay are not subject to state-sponsored hatred in the UK. The UK has no intention of trying to 'reclaim' the other 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Journalists who criticise Theresa May have no need to fear being gunned down in the elevator of their apartment block. HMG and the British Armed Forces do not pass on weaponry to their militia with which they bring down commercial aircraft. In Russia, the equivalent of all those things has happened recently/is happening now. So giving the Russian Federation hosting rights? Despicable behaviour. Hosting the World Cup is a privilege, not a right. The Russian Federation deserves no privileges whatsoever. N.B. this is not an attack on Russians. I'm truly indebted to one Russian in particular. And there are plenty who oppose the actions of the Russian Federation. But the 'useful idiocy' of people in the West who indulge in moral relativism to justify the actions of the Kremlin truly beggars belief. Some truth mixed with some insane propaganda that you have believed. You are a good lad, I really can't be bothered delving into this on a football forum, but keep reading, keep looking at both sides, as I believe you are intelligent enough to realise no one is good in this and that the west has been extremely hypocritical mixed with the ignorant media reports in regards to Russia. Peace :D Fuck another alternative trendy type sticking up for Russia. Reads too much Russia Today because it's 'totally not biased'. I don't think a world cup could be moved. Qatar has invested a lot and on this basis, would sue to pants of FIFA. Making up quotes and assumptions, nice. Forgot this forum is filled with idiots. Don't be upset because you've made a statement and then said its too hard to justify yourself. We all know someone who thinks they know everything..... I won't pretend like any country is a saint, shit our own country treat war refugees like criminals but some countries are worse than others. I didn't say that at all, all I suggested is that I am not going to bother writing hundreds of words on a football forum about politics..as you know it's a football forum. Got better things to do lol and wished quickflix all the best as I like his contributions. You chimed in making assumptions. Maybe years ago when I was a uni student I would have got into a debate. Got dental implants to place now. Absolutely but making snide remarks about how Quickflick is wrong but refusing to justify yourself is why I commented. You can't assert to know better and then refuse to justify yourself. In this instance, the football and politics are difficult to dissociate so a justification would be appropriate and welcomed. Your post sounded just like people I know who 'know everything from reading some random website called Russia Today' but would never go beyond posting links to youtube articles. I think they're part of the Flat Earth Movement these days haha.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'd be thrilled if it goes to England. Qatar would be an awful experience for fans, as well as taking a shit all over human rights. It's bad enough that Vladimir Putin's regime is being granted the privilege of hosting a World Cup, despite its gross violations of human rights, violations of other aspects of international law (cough Ukraine) and perverting democratic elections by banning rivals from running for office. FIFA took a dump on all things it should be seeking to promote by giving Russia hosting rights. But Russia then Qatar is deplorable. the irony in this statement though lol What irony? I'm assuming you find it ironic to criticise Russia in the same breath as (effectively) praising England. I'm talking about England now, not England when she (or rather Britain) was was misappropriating Ireland, India, huge chunks of Africa and many other places in the world. I'm very critical of what the UK does today (I'm also equally critical of Australia, the European Union and I'm even more critical of the USA's Trump and Obama Administrations). But frankly it's risible to suggest that the UK's actions today are anywhere near as bad the Russian Federation's current legal and moral transgressions. Jeremy Corbyn is not barred from contesting the General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is not arrested for spurious reasons. People who identify as gay are not subject to state-sponsored hatred in the UK. The UK has no intention of trying to 'reclaim' the other 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Journalists who criticise Theresa May have no need to fear being gunned down in the elevator of their apartment block. HMG and the British Armed Forces do not pass on weaponry to their militia with which they bring down commercial aircraft. In Russia, the equivalent of all those things has happened recently/is happening now. So giving the Russian Federation hosting rights? Despicable behaviour. Hosting the World Cup is a privilege, not a right. The Russian Federation deserves no privileges whatsoever. N.B. this is not an attack on Russians. I'm truly indebted to one Russian in particular. And there are plenty who oppose the actions of the Russian Federation. But the 'useful idiocy' of people in the West who indulge in moral relativism to justify the actions of the Kremlin truly beggars belief. Some truth mixed with some insane propaganda that you have believed. You are a good lad, I really can't be bothered delving into this on a football forum, but keep reading, keep looking at both sides, as I believe you are intelligent enough to realise no one is good in this and that the west has been extremely hypocritical mixed with the ignorant media reports in regards to Russia. Peace :D Fuck another alternative trendy type sticking up for Russia. Reads too much Russia Today because it's 'totally not biased'. I don't think a world cup could be moved. Qatar has invested a lot and on this basis, would sue to pants of FIFA. Making up quotes and assumptions, nice. Forgot this forum is filled with idiots. Don't be upset because you've made a statement and then said its too hard to justify yourself. We all know someone who thinks they know everything..... I won't pretend like any country is a saint, shit our own country treat war refugees like criminals but some countries are worse than others. I didn't say that at all, all I suggested is that I am not going to bother writing hundreds of words on a football forum about politics..as you know it's a football forum. Got better things to do lol and wished quickflix all the best as I like his contributions. You chimed in making assumptions. Maybe years ago when I was a uni student I would have got into a debate. Got dental implants to place now. Absolutely but making snide remarks about how Quickflick is wrong but refusing to justify yourself is why I commented. You can't assert to know better and then refuse to justify yourself. In this instance, the football and politics are difficult to dissociate so a justification would be appropriate and welcomed. Your post sounded just like people I know who 'know everything from reading some random website called Russia Today' but would never go beyond posting links to youtube articles. I think they're part of the Flat Earth Movement these days haha. From a thorough/debating perspective you're absolutely right. But I don't expect anybody to engage in a full-on debate. JonoMV said it was propaganda but didn't elaborate. That's his prerogative. The points I made are so easy to substantiate. So it was easy for me (or anybody) to list those specific transgressions of the Russian Federation. Clearly not Western propaganda. I wish JonoMV all the best, too. And get where he's coming from; Russia is complex in ways that most of us in the West simply don't grasp. But as I think you and I agree, Russia's complexity doesn't excuse the horrendous human rights abuses. The wonderful thing is that we can actually have this discussion freely. It's tragic that the situation in Russia is much the same as it always has been. I'll never cease to be livid about it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'd be thrilled if it goes to England. Qatar would be an awful experience for fans, as well as taking a shit all over human rights. It's bad enough that Vladimir Putin's regime is being granted the privilege of hosting a World Cup, despite its gross violations of human rights, violations of other aspects of international law (cough Ukraine) and perverting democratic elections by banning rivals from running for office. FIFA took a dump on all things it should be seeking to promote by giving Russia hosting rights. But Russia then Qatar is deplorable. the irony in this statement though lol What irony? I'm assuming you find it ironic to criticise Russia in the same breath as (effectively) praising England. I'm talking about England now, not England when she (or rather Britain) was was misappropriating Ireland, India, huge chunks of Africa and many other places in the world. I'm very critical of what the UK does today (I'm also equally critical of Australia, the European Union and I'm even more critical of the USA's Trump and Obama Administrations). But frankly it's risible to suggest that the UK's actions today are anywhere near as bad the Russian Federation's current legal and moral transgressions. Jeremy Corbyn is not barred from contesting the General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is not arrested for spurious reasons. People who identify as gay are not subject to state-sponsored hatred in the UK. The UK has no intention of trying to 'reclaim' the other 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland. Journalists who criticise Theresa May have no need to fear being gunned down in the elevator of their apartment block. HMG and the British Armed Forces do not pass on weaponry to their militia with which they bring down commercial aircraft. In Russia, the equivalent of all those things has happened recently/is happening now. So giving the Russian Federation hosting rights? Despicable behaviour. Hosting the World Cup is a privilege, not a right. The Russian Federation deserves no privileges whatsoever. N.B. this is not an attack on Russians. I'm truly indebted to one Russian in particular. And there are plenty who oppose the actions of the Russian Federation. But the 'useful idiocy' of people in the West who indulge in moral relativism to justify the actions of the Kremlin truly beggars belief. Some truth mixed with some insane propaganda that you have believed. You are a good lad, I really can't be bothered delving into this on a football forum, but keep reading, keep looking at both sides, as I believe you are intelligent enough to realise no one is good in this and that the west has been extremely hypocritical mixed with the ignorant media reports in regards to Russia. Peace :D Fuck another alternative trendy type sticking up for Russia. Reads too much Russia Today because it's 'totally not biased'. I don't think a world cup could be moved. Qatar has invested a lot and on this basis, would sue to pants of FIFA. Making up quotes and assumptions, nice. Forgot this forum is filled with idiots. Don't be upset because you've made a statement and then said its too hard to justify yourself. We all know someone who thinks they know everything..... I won't pretend like any country is a saint, shit our own country treat war refugees like criminals but some countries are worse than others. I didn't say that at all, all I suggested is that I am not going to bother writing hundreds of words on a football forum about politics..as you know it's a football forum. Got better things to do lol and wished quickflix all the best as I like his contributions. You chimed in making assumptions. Maybe years ago when I was a uni student I would have got into a debate. Got dental implants to place now. Absolutely but making snide remarks about how Quickflick is wrong but refusing to justify yourself is why I commented. You can't assert to know better and then refuse to justify yourself. In this instance, the football and politics are difficult to dissociate so a justification would be appropriate and welcomed. Your post sounded just like people I know who 'know everything from reading some random website called Russia Today' but would never go beyond posting links to youtube articles. I think they're part of the Flat Earth Movement these days haha. From a thorough/debating perspective you're absolutely right. But I don't expect anybody to engage in a full-on debate. JonoMV said it was propaganda but didn't elaborate. That's his prerogative. The points I made are so easy to substantiate. So it was easy for me (or anybody) to list those specific transgressions of the Russian Federation. Clearly not Western propaganda. I wish JonoMV all the best, too. And get where he's coming from; Russia is complex in ways that most of us in the West simply don't grasp. But as I think you and I agree, Russia's complexity doesn't excuse the horrendous human rights abuses. The wonderful thing is that we can actually have this discussion freely. It's tragic that the situation in Russia is much the same as it always has been. I'll never cease to be livid about it. bravo! what a pleasure to read something that includes a broader perspective. the information re russia's human rights record is easily available to anybody who is curious beyond their murdoch feedbag. the suppression of free speech, independent media, political opponents, mass murder in chechnya, imperialist expansion acts to regain lost pride in ukraine and georgia, the 'mysterious' deaths of journalists and most pertinently, the proven evidence of a state sponsored doping from the sochi olympics shows that they should be banned from not only hosting but also participating in international sporting events.
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Thanks calciopoli. And well said!
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