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bohemia
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Another nomination if we want the new congress to be negotiated on "just terms" 
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bohemia
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+x@ Benjamin As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging. I think you underestimate our country's talent for lawyers. I mean, fuck me, Saddam Hussein's lawyer was John Marsden from Australia. We have the talent. Btw, I don't recommend John Marsden. Dead, basically.
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+x+xOne thing I will say of Cicarello. I played football with his son 20 years back. This bloke had our team's respect as teenagers. One match he was watching on the sidelines punching a dart, towards the end he gets another one out and lights it off the dart he already has. Just needed it. Possibly not relevant to the congress thing. What's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day. Her background is football, corporate affairs and writing. She loves the game - obsessed would be an accurate summation. Talks about it in person the same way she writes about it - considered, educated and passionate. Worked at the FFA for a fair while until she was 'exited' because she was asking too many questions about the corrupt nature of our bid. That she was pushed out, then smeared, by those running football says more about their attitude than her character. She SHOULD 100% be involved in running the game in Australia. There are so many disgusting examples of how shifty the FFA have been from day one and this is just another of the many out there. What I can't believe is how people still to this day continue to back such a shit and shifty organisation just because of their opinion that the A-league is still getting bigger crowds then the NSL did. Football in Australia would be so much bigger then what it currently is if we had smart honest people running the game compared to shifty dodgy greedy people running it which is what we have.
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Waz
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@ Benjamin
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Benjamin
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+xI recon the FFA would oppose Crawford Would put them in a very tricky spot though... "Why do you oppose this figure who is so respected within Australian sports administration?" "Well, the thing is... He produced the report that brought us to power, and then we completely ignored all of his findings..."
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Waz
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I recon the FFA would oppose Crawford
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Burztur
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Any other nominations? I can't see much better.
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Benjamin
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+x@ Benjamin As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging. As I said before... David Crawford. Can't think of anyone having any reason not to support him for the gig.
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Waz
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@ Benjamin
As Bonita points out in her article, it may be difficult to find a local. The Chair must be voted unanimously which is actually a good thing, but will be challenging.
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Benjamin
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+x@rodstazzz It’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA. In fact FIFA has gone as far as specifying there must be “no ties” to the FFA - something it didn’t do for any other section of the game which is a bit of a slap for lowy. Like you though, I wish FIFA had just appointed someone - I’d rather they worked to ensure FIFAs will is done, that’s the only hope we have for change here. The chair has to know the local landscape and FIFA didn't have the knowledge or time to seek out and appoint anyone suitable. Much better to provide a guideline then let the locals do it.
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Benjamin
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+xOne thing I will say of Cicarello. I played football with his son 20 years back. This bloke had our team's respect as teenagers. One match he was watching on the sidelines punching a dart, towards the end he gets another one out and lights it off the dart he already has. Just needed it. Possibly not relevant to the congress thing. What's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day. Her background is football, corporate affairs and writing. She loves the game - obsessed would be an accurate summation. Talks about it in person the same way she writes about it - considered, educated and passionate. Worked at the FFA for a fair while until she was 'exited' because she was asking too many questions about the corrupt nature of our bid. That she was pushed out, then smeared, by those running football says more about their attitude than her character. She SHOULD 100% be involved in running the game in Australia.
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Waz
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@ Bohemia
It says a lot about the States right, most of them are in a mess and can’t sort their own affairs out let alone look nationally.
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bohemia
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+xAn excellent article from Bonita, she writes well. They key then are who the states nominate, with QLD out due to Fosters retirement it’s essential the two big states of NSWs and VIC get on there. If there’s any logic in this (which politics won’t allow of course) it should be 2 big, 2 small. If that’s the case we should get a rapidly moving committee and some decent change. I'm not too sure about SA getting a gig. FFSA struggles to get all of SA football under its banner. I don't think we have much to say about getting the whole country united. But if SA sent Chicka then I would probably see that as more positive for FFA's side. He was involved with AU at an earlier stage when it was closer to FFSA. I reckon he'd be more in the fed's camp these days.
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Waz
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An excellent article from Bonita, she writes well.
They key then are who the states nominate, with QLD out due to Fosters retirement it’s essential the two big states of NSWs and VIC get on there.
If there’s any logic in this (which politics won’t allow of course) it should be 2 big, 2 small. If that’s the case we should get a rapidly moving committee and some decent change.
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bohemia
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One thing I will say of Cicarello. I played football with his son 20 years back. This bloke had our team's respect as teenagers. One match he was watching on the sidelines punching a dart, towards the end he gets another one out and lights it off the dart he already has. Just needed it. Possibly not relevant to the congress thing.
What's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day.
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Bonitas article http://footballtoday.news/features/the-ffa-congress-review-working-group-unpackedpart re the 4 Feds What about the four state federations? Just which of the four state federations will be selected to represent the nine will tilt the outcome of the Working Group one way or the other. For a start, it will not include Queensland. The current President of Football Queensland is not standing for re-election which takes place at the end of this month. In fact: if there are any good people in Queensland wanting to run for the Board, they should nominate now! We understand nominations close this week. The word is that it is unlikely to be the ACT in light of their exposure from last year’s FIFA/AFC visit. The NT is also unlikely to be included because of distance and relative size. The WA President is said to have more positions on issues than the kama sutra on steroids, so the factions within the state federations may be somewhat wary of his inclusion. When not nodding off, the Northern NSW President is known to be strongly aligned with FFA. That leaves ex-Adelaide United CEO, and now Chairman of FFSA, Sam Ciccarello as both a power broker and peace-maker amongst the state federation presidents; possibly Tasmania to ensure small state representation; as well as the two biggest states, Victoria and NSW. If that is the case, then the Congress Review Working Group will ultimately end-up recommending an FFA Congress more or less along the lines of what the A-League clubs and the PFA wanted in the first place - albeit with a few tweaks, improvments and some expansion of the original model. And that gets us back to the questions for FFA: what has this all been about, what has taken so long, and why did we have to get to this point of FIFA/AFC intervention?
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+x+xSo 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it Ultimate vote has to be unanimous, doesn't it? does it ? only on who the Chairman will be, after that, no idea
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Benjamin
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+xSo 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it Ultimate vote has to be unanimous, doesn't it?
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Benjamin
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David Crawford for chairman please.
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why is the FFA even on this proposed committee ? ...they are supposed to be the administrative body of Australian Football...they are not representative of anybody in themselves...so why would they have any say whatsoever ? who do they represent ?
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So 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it
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+xBig poppa posted a link to the full letter earlier in the thread  Found another https://twitter.com/FootballCentAU/status/982101541984219139
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Waz
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Big poppa posted a link to the full letter earlier in the thread
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+x@ Burgs Read the full letter posted below. The Chairperson has to be independent of pretty much everyone involved - FFA, clubs, AAFC, States, pretty much a non-football person. So how coukd they vote on key issues? But the key is in the written brief - they are there to make sure, through negotiation and mediation, that the working group achieves the objectives. You can’t negoti and mediate and cast a vote regularly for one side or the other, it doesn’t work that way (what FIFA are doing is nothing new) And the PFA? They’ve pretty much been on AAPFC’s dude all along. An independent A League means more money for the clubs, more money for the clubs means more money for their members. So based on recent history, the PFA are opposing the FFA. Sorry, letter ? Written Brief ? where ? I can't see it
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Waz
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@ Burgs
Read the full letter posted below. The Chairperson has to be independent of pretty much everyone involved - FFA, clubs, AAFC, States, pretty much a non-football person. So how coukd they vote on key issues?
But the key is in the written brief - they are there to make sure, through negotiation and mediation, that the working group achieves the objectives. You can’t negoti and mediate and cast a vote regularly for one side or the other, it doesn’t work that way (what FIFA are doing is nothing new)
And the PFA? They’ve pretty much been on AAPFC’s dude all along. An independent A League means more money for the clubs, more money for the clubs means more money for their members. So based on recent history, the PFA are opposing the FFA.
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+xAnd the Chairman vote is largely notional in this case - his/her brief is to negotiate and mediate a solution, What ? Where do you get this from ?
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+xBut the “rebels” have got 3 votes in the 2HAL and PFA so they only need 1 from NSWs or VIC to get on there and they can block anything and everything. If they both get on there the odds are against Lowy How do you know the PFA are "rebels" ? And they'd need 2 to control it
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@ Burgs
That’s the key question right, who determines which states? If Lowy can manipulate that he’ll have some level of control over the process.
But the “rebels” have got 3 votes in the 2HAL and PFA so they only need 1 from NSWs or VIC to get on there and they can block anything and everything. If they both get on there the odds are against Lowy
QLD is an unknown, Foster has retired so we will have a new rep in the process who may or may not be, a Lowy man.
And the Chairman vote is largely notional in this case - his/her brief is to negotiate and mediate a solution, in the case of a 4-4 tied vote with that brief they should (and I would expectt that they would) abstain from voting and force the parties back into negotiating.
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