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Doesn’t have to be an Aussie for independent chair though does it? There’s gotta be a football person somewhere that fits the bill. I think it’ll be FIFA who will appoint it anyway.
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+xDoesn’t have to be an Aussie for independent chair though does it? There’s gotta be a football person somewhere that fits the bill. I think it’ll be FIFA who will appoint it anyway. Yeh hopefully it is FIFA and not FFA who appoint him/her. If FFA then you know for a fact that person will be hired with a deal already done to favour FFA more than anyone else.
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Waz
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@rodstazzz
It’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA.
In fact FIFA has gone as far as specifying there must be “no ties” to the FFA - something it didn’t do for any other section of the game which is a bit of a slap for lowy.
Like you though, I wish FIFA had just appointed someone - I’d rather they worked to ensure FIFAs will is done, that’s the only hope we have for change here.
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Craig Foster is the director of football and coaching at Southern Expansion not the CEO. How does that make him less passionate about Australian football? I agree it's a shit idea to ground share but think his experience in coaching is great for the bid. Anyway he won't be the chair.
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LOL just give up on footfall entirely if that was the case.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHow about Tony Pignata as chair? Seems perfect to me. Bias towards A-League clubs? I think Pignata is smarter than that. Actually think he is a good candidate being mentioned here. He's a shrewd businessmen with some integrity way ahead of the likes of Lowy's Gallop. "the person must have a strong track record in legal and governance issues, preferably in sport, and experience in mediation and negotiation" Does a degree in finance and banking give the required skills? So because he went down the path of gaining a degree, finance/banking makes him not a viable candidate ? yet his time after being involved in football clubs is to be ignored - don't you think after those years involved in our football he really got to see what the issues are top to bottom in our game ? I'm sure he has dealt with brilliant "legals" for advise and "governance" I expect he gets that and he's been involved in sport. Mediation/negottiation, well look what he did at SFC for starters. His resume isn't bad to me and quoting "management stability", rated in Top 21 CEO's 2017 : an Australian football administrator and former Chief Executive of Sydney FC in the Australian A-League.[1] His previous positions include Chief Executive of Football Federation Victoria and inaugural Chief Executive of Wellington Phoenix FC in the A-League from 2007 to 2010. Prior to working in sport, Pignata worked in the banking industry, and he spent a brief time in telecommunications. Pignata's leadership of Wellington Phoenix helped to bring much-needed credibility to football in New Zealand. Amongst other things, he was responsible for bringing out LA Galaxy with David Beckham resulting in a then record Football crowd of 31,853.[2] In 2009/10, he was CEO when Wellington Phoenix made the A-League Finals Series (playoffs) going within one game of making the 2009/10 Grand Final. In May 2012, he was appointed Chief Executive of Sydney FC at a time when the club desperately needed stability in its management. He was instrumental in bringing Italian football star Alessandro del Piero to the club for two seasons which helped increased membership, merchandise sales, sponsorship and TV viewership for Sydney FC and the A-League overall. In 2014, the club announced[3] that its finances had turned around from a deficit of $7.2m to almost break-even under Pignata's leadership. In the 2016/17 A-League season, Sydney FC were crowned Premiers [4] after 20 wins, 6 draws and 1 loss culminating in 66 points for the regular season. They went on to win the A-League Grand Final[5] in the equivalent of the play-off series against Melbourne Victory on 7 May 2017. Sydney FC has also been named Club of the Year [6] by the Football Media Association for three consecutive years from 2014/15 to 2016/17. Pignata is a popular figure with media and fans, and was named by the Australian Financial Review [7] in 2017 as one of Australia's top 21 CEOs. He is active on Twitter. He announced his resignation [8] from Sydney FC three days after the 2017 A-League grand final win. As I've said - he's got the experience. This working group is a dispute resolution process. A legal background is definitely an advantage to someone with a finance or administration background. I agree. The chair needs to be independent first of all and have the skill set to lead the parties through conflict to an agreed conclusion. To do that the chair must be able to steer the discussion on matters of contemporary governance that complies with the legal and regulatory framework that is provided by Australian legislation, FIFA's Statutes and FIFA's Standard Statutes that the FFA Constitution has to comply with. A legal background is definitely an advantage over a business or administrative background. Finding someone that has both might be the go. David Crawford anyone? Bachelor of Commerce, Bachelor of Law. Having published previously on this exact issue he might not be seen as impartial now.
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+xLOL just give up on footfall entirely if that was the case. Half the wankers wouldnt be opposed.
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+x@rodstazzz It’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA. In fact FIFA has gone as far as specifying there must be “no ties” to the FFA - something it didn’t do for any other section of the game which is a bit of a slap for lowy. Like you though, I wish FIFA had just appointed someone - I’d rather they worked to ensure FIFAs will is done, that’s the only hope we have for change here. in the articles ive read it is up to the working group to appoint - unanimously - an independent chair. if this can not be done then fifa will appoint one. pretty straight forward
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+xIt’s very clear who appoints the Chair, and it’s not the FFA. If it's clear, can you please explain who does. I must've missed it.
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@ Burgs
Its been reported that the 8 committee members must select and unanimously agree on the chair, if they can’t do that then FIFA will appoint one.
Those reports may be wrong (and there’s nothing specific in either the FIFA news release or the FFA’s tbh) but those are the reports.
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So, whoever the chairman is, if FFA can dictate the 4 feds, that's 5/9
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@ Burgs
That’s the key question right, who determines which states? If Lowy can manipulate that he’ll have some level of control over the process.
But the “rebels” have got 3 votes in the 2HAL and PFA so they only need 1 from NSWs or VIC to get on there and they can block anything and everything. If they both get on there the odds are against Lowy
QLD is an unknown, Foster has retired so we will have a new rep in the process who may or may not be, a Lowy man.
And the Chairman vote is largely notional in this case - his/her brief is to negotiate and mediate a solution, in the case of a 4-4 tied vote with that brief they should (and I would expectt that they would) abstain from voting and force the parties back into negotiating.
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+xBut the “rebels” have got 3 votes in the 2HAL and PFA so they only need 1 from NSWs or VIC to get on there and they can block anything and everything. If they both get on there the odds are against Lowy How do you know the PFA are "rebels" ? And they'd need 2 to control it
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+xAnd the Chairman vote is largely notional in this case - his/her brief is to negotiate and mediate a solution, What ? Where do you get this from ?
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@ Burgs
Read the full letter posted below. The Chairperson has to be independent of pretty much everyone involved - FFA, clubs, AAFC, States, pretty much a non-football person. So how coukd they vote on key issues?
But the key is in the written brief - they are there to make sure, through negotiation and mediation, that the working group achieves the objectives. You can’t negoti and mediate and cast a vote regularly for one side or the other, it doesn’t work that way (what FIFA are doing is nothing new)
And the PFA? They’ve pretty much been on AAPFC’s dude all along. An independent A League means more money for the clubs, more money for the clubs means more money for their members. So based on recent history, the PFA are opposing the FFA.
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+x@ Burgs Read the full letter posted below. The Chairperson has to be independent of pretty much everyone involved - FFA, clubs, AAFC, States, pretty much a non-football person. So how coukd they vote on key issues? But the key is in the written brief - they are there to make sure, through negotiation and mediation, that the working group achieves the objectives. You can’t negoti and mediate and cast a vote regularly for one side or the other, it doesn’t work that way (what FIFA are doing is nothing new) And the PFA? They’ve pretty much been on AAPFC’s dude all along. An independent A League means more money for the clubs, more money for the clubs means more money for their members. So based on recent history, the PFA are opposing the FFA. Sorry, letter ? Written Brief ? where ? I can't see it
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Waz
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Big poppa posted a link to the full letter earlier in the thread
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+xBig poppa posted a link to the full letter earlier in the thread  Found another https://twitter.com/FootballCentAU/status/982101541984219139
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So 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it
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why is the FFA even on this proposed committee ? ...they are supposed to be the administrative body of Australian Football...they are not representative of anybody in themselves...so why would they have any say whatsoever ? who do they represent ?
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David Crawford for chairman please.
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Benjamin
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+xSo 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it Ultimate vote has to be unanimous, doesn't it?
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+x+xSo 1. It's up to the Federation to work out themselves who the 4 are, nothing about 'largest' 2. Chairman can do whatever he wants, nothing stopping him voting on anything, everything or nothing 3. If FFA and 4 Feds vote together for something, there's nothing Chairman can do about it Ultimate vote has to be unanimous, doesn't it? does it ? only on who the Chairman will be, after that, no idea
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Bonitas article http://footballtoday.news/features/the-ffa-congress-review-working-group-unpackedpart re the 4 Feds What about the four state federations? Just which of the four state federations will be selected to represent the nine will tilt the outcome of the Working Group one way or the other. For a start, it will not include Queensland. The current President of Football Queensland is not standing for re-election which takes place at the end of this month. In fact: if there are any good people in Queensland wanting to run for the Board, they should nominate now! We understand nominations close this week. The word is that it is unlikely to be the ACT in light of their exposure from last year’s FIFA/AFC visit. The NT is also unlikely to be included because of distance and relative size. The WA President is said to have more positions on issues than the kama sutra on steroids, so the factions within the state federations may be somewhat wary of his inclusion. When not nodding off, the Northern NSW President is known to be strongly aligned with FFA. That leaves ex-Adelaide United CEO, and now Chairman of FFSA, Sam Ciccarello as both a power broker and peace-maker amongst the state federation presidents; possibly Tasmania to ensure small state representation; as well as the two biggest states, Victoria and NSW. If that is the case, then the Congress Review Working Group will ultimately end-up recommending an FFA Congress more or less along the lines of what the A-League clubs and the PFA wanted in the first place - albeit with a few tweaks, improvments and some expansion of the original model. And that gets us back to the questions for FFA: what has this all been about, what has taken so long, and why did we have to get to this point of FIFA/AFC intervention?
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One thing I will say of Cicarello. I played football with his son 20 years back. This bloke had our team's respect as teenagers. One match he was watching on the sidelines punching a dart, towards the end he gets another one out and lights it off the dart he already has. Just needed it. Possibly not relevant to the congress thing.
What's Bonita's background? Journo or something else? Every time I've read something from her I've been impressed. If she had some background in law or business I'd have her on a football board any day.
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An excellent article from Bonita, she writes well.
They key then are who the states nominate, with QLD out due to Fosters retirement it’s essential the two big states of NSWs and VIC get on there.
If there’s any logic in this (which politics won’t allow of course) it should be 2 big, 2 small. If that’s the case we should get a rapidly moving committee and some decent change.
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+xAn excellent article from Bonita, she writes well. They key then are who the states nominate, with QLD out due to Fosters retirement it’s essential the two big states of NSWs and VIC get on there. If there’s any logic in this (which politics won’t allow of course) it should be 2 big, 2 small. If that’s the case we should get a rapidly moving committee and some decent change. I'm not too sure about SA getting a gig. FFSA struggles to get all of SA football under its banner. I don't think we have much to say about getting the whole country united. But if SA sent Chicka then I would probably see that as more positive for FFA's side. He was involved with AU at an earlier stage when it was closer to FFSA. I reckon he'd be more in the fed's camp these days.
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