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BREAKING NEWS: The @WgtnPhoenixFC look set to merge with a Sydney consortium which will play out of the Harbour CIty, via @davutovic - https://t.co/DcIITKBLMK
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bohemia
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What a disaster
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Im dying for this to happen..but surely not
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What a farce. So we'll have Sydney FC, Wanderers, Southern Expansion and South West Sydney SO MANY DERBIES = METRICS
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It seems clear that the WelNix owners want co pletrly out but the FFA wont approve selling the license when they can wait 2 years to sell it themselves.
By selling to a consortium they can some $$$ back, and perhaps even a larger figure after the FFa realiseds what a disaster it is to have this new Sydney team playing in front of 1000 people in Wellington and allow the consortium to take full ownership.
At least that's how I imagine it going down.
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bohemia
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+xIt seems clear that the WelNix owners want co pletrly out but the FFA wont approve selling the license when they can wait 2 years to sell it themselves. By selling to a consortium they can some $$$ back, and perhaps even a larger figure after the FFa realiseds what a disaster it is to have this new Sydney team playing in front of 1000 people in Wellington and allow the consortium to take full ownership. At least that's how I imagine it going down. That's how I see it. I think they're banking on FFA being too squeamish to cut a team which is to a certain degree a Sydney team. It's a play to ensure they can sell the whole license themselves instead of surrendering it for nothing to FFA. Nobody in Wellington will support this club as if it were their own. I don't think many in Sydney would either until the relocation is complete. Make no mistake though, as of today the Phoenix are dead.
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on the bright side, should the south west sydney team succeeds and gets decent enough crowds, its going to be financially good for everyone in sydney. i also believe this team will have many NZ players in the club too. South-west Sydney would host a large portion of home games and be the HQ to the club’s new training base under the proposal, along with a colour change to black and white - synonymous with the south-west region.
Magpies surely
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+xon the bright side, should the south west sydney team succeeds and gets decent enough crowds, its going to be financially good for everyone in sydney.
i also believe this team will have many NZ players in the club too.
it should be on the GC then. it's pretty much a kiwi town.
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The two key determining legal factors are whether Wellington’s license is territorial and whether a sale of 50 per cent or below can be blocked by FFA.
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Can see expanding to 14 teams instead of 12.
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+xCan see expanding to 14 teams instead of 12.
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+xCan see expanding to 14 teams instead of 12. On what basis?
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+x+xCan see expanding to 14 teams instead of 12. On what basis? Long bow but GO has indicated only two rounds. The Southern Bid is assumed,. So if only two additional and both from Sydney ... some may get upset. To keep Fox happy 1 Brisbane team and another Melbourne team. Plus a decent bid from somewhere else Two rounds is 26 games which I think in the min for AFC rules.
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+xCan see expanding to 14 teams instead of 12. More like expansion from 9 Australia 1 NZ to 10 Australian
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+x+xCan see expanding to 14 teams instead of 12. More like expansion from 9 Australia 1 NZ to 10 Australian This .
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+x+xCan see expanding to 14 teams instead of 12. More like expansion from 9 Australia 1 NZ to 10 Australian Yep. The way things are, we will only ever have a 10 team league.
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Sydney could emerge with fresh A-League presence as Wellington Phoenix prepare for stake saleMAY 11, 2018SOUTH-WEST Sydney could have an A-League presence next season with Wellington Phoenix on the verge of selling a large stake to a local consortium. A Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) has been agreed between the two parties, with a view to selling a 50 per cent stake immediately. The hybrid model would effectively become a third Sydney club, making for potentially two more box-office derbies with Western Sydney and Sydney FC. NEW GIG: Tony Popovic to be named Perth Glory coach South-west Sydney would host a large portion of home games and be the HQ to the club’s new training base under the proposal, along with a colour change to black and white - synonymous with the south-west region. Phoenix would retain their current home strip for the games that remain in New Zealand under a hybrid model. South-west Sydney bid director Gino Marra refused to comment when contacted by News Corp Australia. However it is believed that Marra travelled to New Zealand last week to negotiate the terms of the “merger” with Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison. It’s understood that the pair will meet with FFA (chief executive David Gallop) on Friday in a bid to rubber-stamp the sale. Wellnix – the consortium that owns Phoenix – and Marra’s group are confident that legally the governing body cannot reject the deal. Fox Sports are among the key stakeholders believed to be supportive of the sale. FFA is simultaneously running a formal expansion process, with Expressions of Interest due on May 24. Southern Expansion (the joint Sutherland, St George and Illawarra) and Wollongong Wolves are among the bidders from NSW. If the south-west consortium’s audacious purchase comes off, the existing Phoenix contracts of Nathan Burns, Roy Krishna, Sarpreet Singh, Keegan Smith, Tom Doyle, Louis Fenton, Dylan Fox, Ryan Lowry, Adam Parkhouse and Oli Sail would be honoured. Midfielder Matt Ridenton this week joined Newcastle Jets. Other Phoenix negotiations have stalled, including the appointment of a new coach, while Phoenix’s ownership structure is resolved. Captain Andrew Durante, Scott Galloway, Lewis Italiano, Andrija Kaludjerovic, Matija Ljujic, James McGarry, Michael McGlinchey, Daniel Mullen, Goran Paracki, Logan Rogerson, Alex Rufer and Tando Velaphi are off contract, while defender Marco Rossi has already departed. The two key determining legal factors are whether Wellington’s license is territorial and whether a sale of 50 per cent or below can be blocked by FFA. Phoenix has also negotiated with Southern Expansion and former National Soccer League champions South Melbourne in the last six months.
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+xPhoenix has also negotiated with Southern Expansion and former National Soccer League champions South Melbourne in the last six months. Well, we know that is BS - 'Nix on the record just last week dismissing that saying all they had was an email from South Melbourne in the past 2years, received last week, and hadn't responded to it when they were squashing rumours of selling.
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Article mentions Nathan Burns, Roy Krishna, Sarpreet Singh, Keegan Smith, Tom Doyle, Louis Fenton, Dylan Fox, Ryan Lowry, Adam Parkhouse and Oli Sail will all have their contracts honoured.
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I am just confused on how exactly this will work. So they want to sell 50% to South West-Sydney, so will they be like two teams in one? Will they still be called Wellington Pheonix? Majority of games in Australia with black and white strip then Yellow and black in Nz. The question is who would really want to support the team from either side?
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+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work.
It isn't It's chucking it all on the FFA, flushing out their true intentions Nice late Friday story
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+x+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work.
It isn't It's chucking it all on the FFA, flushing out their true intentions Nice late Friday story :D
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+x+x+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work.
It isn't It's chucking it all on the FFA, flushing out their true intentions Nice late Friday story :D Probably waited for Gallop to go on Holiday
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+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work. So they want to sell 50% to South West-Sydney, so will they be like two teams in one? Will they still be called Wellington Pheonix? Majority of games in Australia with black and white strip then Yellow and black in Nz. The question is who would really want to support the team from either side? If the team only represents Campbelltown/Macarthur only, then i'll throw my support behind them.
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+x+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work. So they want to sell 50% to South West-Sydney, so will they be like two teams in one? Will they still be called Wellington Pheonix? Majority of games in Australia with black and white strip then Yellow and black in Nz. The question is who would really want to support the team from either side? If the team only represents Campbelltown/Macarthur only, then i'll throw my support behind them. Yea, its needs to be one way or the other, having two sets of fans wondering if the team represents them won't really work.
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+x+x+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work. So they want to sell 50% to South West-Sydney, so will they be like two teams in one? Will they still be called Wellington Pheonix? Majority of games in Australia with black and white strip then Yellow and black in Nz. The question is who would really want to support the team from either side? If the team only represents Campbelltown/Macarthur only, then i'll throw my support behind them. Yea, its needs to be one way or the other, having two sets of fans wondering if the team represents them won't really work. It needs to move to full ownership asap to have much chance of success. Oh, and it won't just represent Campbelltown/Macarthur but the Southern Districts Association area as well which is Liverpool/Fairfield. With Wests Tigers looking to move all home games to Western Sydney Stadium council should give a good deal on Campbelltown Stadium.
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+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work. So they want to sell 50% to South West-Sydney, so will they be like two teams in one? Will they still be called Wellington Pheonix? Majority of games in Australia with black and white strip then Yellow and black in Nz. The question is who would really want to support the team from either side? I think the purpose is to force the FFA's hand. The outcome of the negotiation with FFA could result in Wellington selling the entire license and requiring a full relocation. The end game for Wellington is probably to sell the whole license and get out. Presenting the unpalatable option of a half/half team may leave FFA compelled to act. Most interesting thing is what effect this has on Southern Expansion. I think I see where midfielder is coming from. With SWS wedged into the expansion the FFA may seek to expand further to get the desired balance of offerings from more geographical areas in the expansion process. With SE and SWS in that would only leave 1 spot between Melbourne and Brisbane. This very well may close the door on SMFC this round. Or more like, deadbolt the aready firmly closed door.
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+x+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work.
It isn't
It's chucking it all on the FFA, flushing out their true intentionsNice late Friday story +x+xI am just confused on how exactly this will work. So they want to sell 50% to South West-Sydney, so will they be like two teams in one? Will they still be called Wellington Pheonix? Majority of games in Australia with black and white strip then Yellow and black in Nz. The question is who would really want to support the team from either side? I think the purpose is to force the FFA's hand. The outcome of the negotiation with FFA could result in Wellington selling the entire license and requiring a full relocation.
The end game for Wellington is probably to sell the whole license and get out. Presenting the unpalatable option of a half/half team may leave FFA compelled to act.Most interesting thing is what effect this has on Southern Expansion. I think I see where midfielder is coming from. With SWS wedged into the expansion the FFA may seek to expand further to get the desired balance of offerings from more geographical areas in the expansion process. With SE and SWS in that would only leave 1 spot between Melbourne and Brisbane. This very well may close the door on SMFC this round. Or more like, deadbolt the aready firmly closed door. Cheers lads
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+xThe question is who would really want to support the team from either side? Nobody really. Crowds in Wellington will surely drop, with plenty of the Phoenix faithful finally saying enough is enough. Meanwhile you'd be lucky to pull 2-3k in Sydney, but I guess the games vs Sydney and Wanderers will pump up the average. This is an absolutely ridiculous proposal that the FFA should be pouring cold water over immediately, but this is the FFA we are talking about here, so they'll likely do the opposite and approve this.
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Smart move for a crowded expansion market. would be interesting to see how long it will be before they cease playing in NZ altogether,
The real winner is welnix group, they still have some ownership and will benefit fro higher crowd participation and most likely potentially higher profits and lower operating costs (depending on where they base themselves)
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Good luck trying to explain that to the AFC. What would be the player quota then for NZ/Aust players? Fucking nightmare.
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+xGood luck trying to explain that to the AFC. What would be the player quota then for NZ/Aust players? Fucking nightmare. 5 foreigners.
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Good play by the SW bid and Nix.
Has it been confirmed that Campbelltown will be the home for the games?
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+x+xGood luck trying to explain that to the AFC. What would be the player quota then for NZ/Aust players? Fucking nightmare. 5 foreigners. Well ATM, the Nix have mostly NZ layers and a foreign player quota. Australian teams have Australian players and their quota. No idea what this mix team will consist of.
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+x+x+xGood luck trying to explain that to the AFC. What would be the player quota then for NZ/Aust players? Fucking nightmare. 5 foreigners. Well ATM, the Nix have mostly NZ layers and a foreign player quota. Australian teams have Australian players and their quota. No idea what this mix team will consist of. No need. FFA will order that the team be on one side of the pond or the other.
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FFA won't be able to justify turning it down due to the two locations either with Southern Expansion wanting to play at 3 different venues.
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Maybe there are 2 sets of starting 11s. One in NZ and one that is Australian.
Your move FFA
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Surely there'll be a few late nights over this weekend - the FFA would surely prefer to just cut the Nix and allow them to sell the 100% stake than deal with this abomination, right?
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Its for a W-League side only!!!!!!!!
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+xIts for a W-League side only!!!!!!!! 
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+xIts for a W-League side only!!!!!!!! Well that would be half and half I guess! :/
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What a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it.
A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest.
Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans.
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+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. Methinks you're getting a bit too far down the road. This is WP sticking a tuppeny bunger in Gallops Undies And the SW bid getting it's foot in the door
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+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. Methinks you're getting a bit too far down the road. This is WP sticking a tuppeny bunger in Gallops Undies And the SW bid getting it's foot in the door Yeah its just a shame that this is happening like this. Ideally, if the Nix owners want out they should sell their license, take what they deserve, and an entirely new team fills the vacant license (without retaining the IP or history). The Nix owners get to walk away with compensation, a more willing and beneficial team enters the league, does more for it than Nix ever could, and football in this country is improved as a result because there is a new professional Australian team. Only reason it is happening like this is $$$$. The FFA are greedy bastards who want their fat pie and will throw a tantrum and block this purely out of greed, and the SW bid (and the Nix owners) knows this which is why this situation is occurring.
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+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. Methinks you're getting a bit too far down the road. This is WP sticking a tuppenny-bunger in Gallops Undies And the SW bid getting it's foot in the door
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+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. Methinks you're getting a bit too far down the road. This is WP sticking a tuppeny bunger in Gallops Undies And the SW bid getting it's foot in the door
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+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already
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+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already Whilst I'm more than than aware of the historical importance of the magpies name to the region and loath to make decisions that take other codes into consideration, taking up the magpies name would be a branding headache for a new club in a national competition.
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+x+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already Whilst I'm more than than aware of the historical importance of the magpies name to the region and loath to make decisions that take other codes into consideration, taking up the magpies name would be a branding headache for a new club in a national competition. i doubt it. the NRL club only used "Western Suburbs Magpies" in their name, not "South West Sydney Magpies". i doubt there would be any issues
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+x+x+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already Whilst I'm more than than aware of the historical importance of the magpies name to the region and loath to make decisions that take other codes into consideration, taking up the magpies name would be a branding headache for a new club in a national competition. i doubt it. the NRL club only used "Western Suburbs Magpies" in their name, not "South West Sydney Magpies". i doubt there would be any issues Honestly I'm thinking more about Collingwood, rather than confusion with the old Rugby League team (who should never have merged with Balmain imo). It's one thing to have Tigers and Bulldogs in both NRL and AFL when they are old clubs that evolved into national league teams. It's another to chose a name for a new club that already belongs to one of the biggest teams in the country. Same reason (among a lot of other things) why I think the Brisbane Bombers bid in the NRL is fucking idiotic.
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+x+x+x+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already Whilst I'm more than than aware of the historical importance of the magpies name to the region and loath to make decisions that take other codes into consideration, taking up the magpies name would be a branding headache for a new club in a national competition. i doubt it. the NRL club only used "Western Suburbs Magpies" in their name, not "South West Sydney Magpies". i doubt there would be any issues Honestly I'm thinking more about Collingwood, rather than confusion with the old Rugby League team (who should never have merged with Balmain imo). It's one thing to have Tigers and Bulldogs in both NRL and AFL when they are old clubs that evolved into national league teams. It's another to chose a name for a new club that already belongs to one of the biggest teams in the country. Same reason (among a lot of other things) why I think the Brisbane Bombers bid in the NRL is fucking idiotic. So does Robbies response allay your concerns? And why would it really matter, they wouldn't have too much crossover of anti-collingwood, pro south west sydney-siders though would they?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already Whilst I'm more than than aware of the historical importance of the magpies name to the region and loath to make decisions that take other codes into consideration, taking up the magpies name would be a branding headache for a new club in a national competition. i doubt it. the NRL club only used "Western Suburbs Magpies" in their name, not "South West Sydney Magpies". i doubt there would be any issues Honestly I'm thinking more about Collingwood, rather than confusion with the old Rugby League team (who should never have merged with Balmain imo). It's one thing to have Tigers and Bulldogs in both NRL and AFL when they are old clubs that evolved into national league teams. It's another to chose a name for a new club that already belongs to one of the biggest teams in the country. Same reason (among a lot of other things) why I think the Brisbane Bombers bid in the NRL is fucking idiotic. So does Robbies response allay your concerns? And why would it really matter, they wouldn't have too much crossover of anti-collingwood, pro south west sydney-siders though would they? Maybe I am nitpicking, . If the local football community want it, then I'll certainly back it. Black and White kit definitely sounds good though. But if they try to keep the link with Wellington, then it can fuck off. Would rather FFA block the transfer, pull the licence and wait for it to be done properly later on.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already Whilst I'm more than than aware of the historical importance of the magpies name to the region and loath to make decisions that take other codes into consideration, taking up the magpies name would be a branding headache for a new club in a national competition. i doubt it. the NRL club only used "Western Suburbs Magpies" in their name, not "South West Sydney Magpies". i doubt there would be any issues Honestly I'm thinking more about Collingwood, rather than confusion with the old Rugby League team (who should never have merged with Balmain imo). It's one thing to have Tigers and Bulldogs in both NRL and AFL when they are old clubs that evolved into national league teams. It's another to chose a name for a new club that already belongs to one of the biggest teams in the country. Same reason (among a lot of other things) why I think the Brisbane Bombers bid in the NRL is fucking idiotic. So does Robbies response allay your concerns? And why would it really matter, they wouldn't have too much crossover of anti-collingwood, pro south west sydney-siders though would they? Maybe I am nitpicking, . If the local football community want it, then I'll certainly back it. Black and White kit definitely sounds good though. But if they try to keep the link with Wellington, then it can fuck off. Would rather FFA block the transfer, pull the licence and wait for it to be done properly later on. I mean Collingwood are a massive club (relatively) and are certainly hated! I agree Re Wellington links. Any Frankenstein merger whatsoever would be the absolute worst thing to happen So you know FFA will do just that.
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+x+x+x+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. im hoping its the magpies too. especially when the Western Suburbs Magpies got booted from the NRL it'll be good having the magpies back into the sporting arena Magpies for the A-league surely. someone should design kits already Whilst I'm more than than aware of the historical importance of the magpies name to the region and loath to make decisions that take other codes into consideration, taking up the magpies name would be a branding headache for a new club in a national competition. i doubt it. the NRL club only used "Western Suburbs Magpies" in their name, not "South West Sydney Magpies". i doubt there would be any issues Honestly I'm thinking more about Collingwood, rather than confusion with the old Rugby League team (who should never have merged with Balmain imo). It's one thing to have Tigers and Bulldogs in both NRL and AFL when they are old clubs that evolved into national league teams. It's another to chose a name for a new club that already belongs to one of the biggest teams in the country. Same reason (among a lot of other things) why I think the Brisbane Bombers bid in the NRL is fucking idiotic. As far as IP law is concerned Collingwood can quite comfortably get fucked (and like it).
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Finally something to justify popcorn during the offseason.
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A farce if I ever seen one
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Agree that this is a play to force FFAs hand.
The ffa would prefer to strip their license and on sell it than let the Welnix consortium financially benefit from it.
From an Australian football sense the outcome of a FULL time South West Sydney Magpies team would be fantastic.
A full time tenant for Campbelltown would be great for the region, the only team who is willing to fully engrain itself in the region on a permanent basis.
It would also be the perfect time to capture any fence sitters from the WSW crew. With the Wanderers playing at an oval and Homebush for another season, it would be the ideal time to entice fans at a well sized rectangular stadium.
Not to mention the population growth and potential the area has, which it would be planting the seeds for a long term investment for the code.
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+xAgree that this is a play to force FFAs hand.The ffa would prefer to strip their license and on sell it than let the Welnix consortium financially benefit from it.From an Australian football sense the outcome of a FULL time South West Sydney Magpies team would be fantastic.A full time tenant for Campbelltown would be great for the region, the only team who is willing to fully engrain itself in the region on a permanent basis.It would also be the perfect time to capture any fence sitters from the WSW crew. With the Wanderers playing at an oval and Homebush for another season, it would be the ideal time to entice fans at a well sized rectangular stadium.Not to mention the population growth and potential the area has, which it would be planting the seeds for a long term investment for the code. ^All of this. And Campbelltown is far enough from SFC and WSW to have their own fans and identity without cannibalising the other fanbases. And with 300,000 people in just the Macarthur area alone (+200k each in Liverpool and Fairfield if they are being counted) there are plenty of fish, lots of which are from migrant backgrounds and/or younger demographics (which are more likely to support football than other groups in Australia), and there is a decent 20k seat rectangular stadium that is practically unused for the entire A-League season. And the area just keeps growing bigger and bigger...new suburbs are popping up every year. A cert for expansion in my opinion....they just need to get it right. Which means community engagement, a permanent homeground, and no connection to existing A-League clubs.
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It certainly looks like ,this is the only way of subverting FFA restrictions for Wellnix.If they could just sell the licence to anyone in Australia then it would be done tomorrow..Sell 50% and play games in Australian places and they are no different to any other Australian franchise.
Once the Australian owners are in and start lobbying,FFA are up against SW Sydneysiders wanting their team playing at home in front of big crowds ,not in NZ.If FFA try and block that.How hipocritical and stupid would they look?
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Just ignoring the comical hybrid option proposed, if there was a SWS team next season - what crowds do you think it would pull?
Nix’s five year average is around 7,500 ... you’d think they could blow that away with three “derbies” vs East/West Sydney
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+xJust ignoring the comical hybrid option proposed, if there was a SWS team next season - what crowds do you think it would pull? Nix’s five year average is around 7,500 ... you’d think they could blow that away with three “derbies” vs East/West Sydney A stand alone club would probably be your usual HAL 7-8k attendee affair not including derbies. It depends on what comes out in the wash. A halfer team wouldn't take in either region.
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+xJust ignoring the comical hybrid option proposed, if there was a SWS team next season - what crowds do you think it would pull? Nix’s five year average is around 7,500 ... you’d think they could blow that away with three “derbies” vs East/West Sydney 20k sellouts for derbies for the first couple of seasons at least....and they would be absolutely buzzing. I think 8k to 10k would be a fair average, with bigger attendances for games against the Melbourne clubs. If they really nail the community connection and market themselves well (and hit the ground running with a fresh exciting squad and good football) they could easily hold five digit averages every season. All comes down to how well managed/owned they are for the extra attendance boost.
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@heyitsrobbie This is something I made and sent to the SWSFC Facebook page awhile back. Not magpies logo though 
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+x@heyitsrobbieThis is something I made and sent to the SWSFC Facebook page awhile back. Not magpies logo though i got plenty of ideas myself, one from adidas, Nike, Puma, and one from BLK im not skilled enough to design the jerseys myself though. how about this, A black kit, with a sash with another shade of black and white adidas stripes on the shoulders. Black shorts and black socks, both with white adidas stripes. for away, White shirt with a sash with another shade of white, with black adidas stripes, white shorts and socks with black adidas stripes you reckon you could make that one? ;)
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The FFA will stuff this up to. So it will be 50/50
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+xThe FFA will stuff this up to. So it will be 50/50 i reckon its to soften the blow that the kiwis wont have a professional team any more
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I would be so happy if 100% of it got sold. A Campbelltown/Wellington hybrid is hilarious though
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South Wellington Hellas Nix -PB
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+xSouth Wellington Hellas Nix -PB colours to be black and blue, litterally
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Y'know the off-season has started and it's tradition to get some shit-posting going ...........but you just can't go close to matching the current realities.
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please no.
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1. Anything that kills off southern expansion is good.
2. South Western Sydney is mouthful. Surely Macathur, Campbelltown or Liverpool would be better.
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+x1. Anything that kills off southern expansion is good. 2. South Western Sydney is mouthful. Surely Macathur, Campbelltown or Liverpool would be better. South Western Sydney Phoenix is ok for the die hard's.
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Nobody will support such a team.its a tactic.
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If the licence moves outright to SWS, does this mean no NZ left in the A-League? 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
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Macathur, Phoenix ...
Are they planning to play at the 18K stadium at Campbelltown.
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Nix should have never signed up to the ridiculous metric driven licence agreement. If this is a way out of it then so be it but its as dumb as a South Australian.
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This is hilarious. If this sort of thing happens the aleague will meet its demise. Mismanagement from the top.
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I feel sorry for the Wellington fans
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+xI feel sorry for the Wellington fans This wouldn't happen if they followed us into the AFC, and correct me if im wrong, but NZ football doesnt want to be in the AFC
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We are just laughing at the trolls it brings out on both sides of the creek.
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Sooo... can someone explain why this is such a bad thing? Wellington obviously isn't working and I thought most of you supported another Western Sydney team? SWS comes in, Phoenix goes out, the two expansion spots remain available. Frankly, it sounds like win-win to me. So why all the whinging? I genuinely don't get it.
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+xSooo... can someone explain why this is such a bad thing? Wellington obviously isn't working and I thought most of you supported another Western Sydney team? SWS comes in, Phoenix goes out, the two expansion spots remain available. Frankly, it sounds like win-win to me. So why all the whinging? I genuinely don't get it. Half the games in Wellington and SWS, an absolute farce that is why.
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+x+xSooo... can someone explain why this is such a bad thing? Wellington obviously isn't working and I thought most of you supported another Western Sydney team? SWS comes in, Phoenix goes out, the two expansion spots remain available. Frankly, it sounds like win-win to me. So why all the whinging? I genuinely don't get it. Half the games in Wellington and SWS, an absolute farce that is why. They won't play half the games in Wellington. That would make no commercial sense. They're probably just saying that to appease the Phoenix fans for now. Letting them down gently before the reality sets in.
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I think people are happy if it is 100% offloaded to SWS but as it stands, it's a joke.
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+xI think people are happy if it is 100% offloaded to SWS but as it stands, it's a joke. It will be offloaded. The only way it comes close to feasible is if they play all their games in Sydney. Kind of like when Fitzroy merged with Brisbane in AFL. Fitzroy contributed the nickname but otherwise disappeared. It is a 100% Brisbane team. So whatever, let this new team be called SWS Phoenix. There's your Wellington connection. You don't have to actually play there.
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+x+xI think people are happy if it is 100% offloaded to SWS but as it stands, it's a joke. It will be offloaded. The only way it comes close to feasible is if they play all their games in Sydney. Kind of like when Fitzroy merged with Brisbane in AFL. Fitzroy contributed the nickname but otherwise disappeared. It is a 100% Brisbane team. So whatever, let this new team be called SWS Phoenix. There's your Wellington connection. You don't have to actually play there. Rising from the ashes of NZ football. BTW Western Suburbs (who had their club in what is now classified as inner west Five Dock) were the Magpies and one of the foundation NSL clubs.
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+x+x+xI think people are happy if it is 100% offloaded to SWS but as it stands, it's a joke. It will be offloaded. The only way it comes close to feasible is if they play all their games in Sydney. Kind of like when Fitzroy merged with Brisbane in AFL. Fitzroy contributed the nickname but otherwise disappeared. It is a 100% Brisbane team. So whatever, let this new team be called SWS Phoenix. There's your Wellington connection. You don't have to actually play there. Rising from the ashes of NZ football. BTW Western Suburbs (who had their club in what is now classified as inner west Five Dock) were the Magpies and one of the foundation NSL clubs. They lasted a couple of years then merged with APIA. Not a bad team - 3 members of the 1974 world cup squad including the captain Peter Wilson.
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TV3 NZ said 3 home games in Wellington the rest to be played in Sth West Sydney. Looks to be a done deal with the merge and not selling full out.
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+xTV3 NZ said 3 home games in Wellington the rest to be played in Sth West Sydney. Looks to be a done deal with the merge and not selling full out. It will still need to be ratified at various levels by the FFA. At the most basic level it's the FFA that sets the fixture.
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+xTV3 NZ said 3 home games in Wellington the rest to be played in Sth West Sydney. Looks to be a done deal with the merge and not selling full out. What a joke lol -PB
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+xTV3 NZ said 3 home games in Wellington the rest to be played in Sth West Sydney. Looks to be a done deal with the merge and not selling full out. CCM Perth Brisbane
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A-League : Wellington Phoenix confirm merger talks for partnership  Photo credit: Photosport The Wellington Phoenix say they are in discussion with potential club partners, but have reaffirmed their A-League licence is not for sale. In a written statement, the struggling club admitted it was talking to "parties interested in participating in the expansion of the A-League". It didn't deny it had been involved in reported merger proposal talks with a consortium from southwestern Sydney. Football Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop confirmed he held a meeting on Friday with Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison and Gino Marra, the head of the South West Sydney FC expansion bid. News Corp Australia reported a memorandum of understanding had been signed between the two parties. "The owners have consistently maintained that they are open to external investors who could bring capital and players to the club, as well as providing professional development pathways for the players from New Zealand," it said. "Although there are currently potential options that are worth exploring... the Phoenix will not conduct any of those discussions via the media." The statement reiterated the club wasn't for sale. It said the more immediate concern was what it described as the floundering state of the A-League. "With double-digit falls in viewership levels, falling crowd numbers and all clubs losing money, there has to be a material change to the construct of the league. "The best-case scenario for the A-League clubs, including the Phoenix, is the creation of a truly independent A-League." The statement said fundamental changes were required ahead of next season to halt the decline. "Tinkering around the edges with marquee funds and the like is not sufficient." The merged team would reportedly play in black and white, but would revert to the yellow-and-black Phoenix strip for matches in Wellington. It's believed FFA looks dimly at the prospect of a merger, particularly one splitting the club's supporter base on opposite sides of the Tasman. "The proposal, which would obviously require FFA approval, needs to be considered in the context of the commercial objectives around the expansion of the league," Gallop told AAP. "To ensure that the investments made are ones that benefit the new clubs, the A-League as a whole, its current club owners and the broader game." A merger would ensure the South West Sydney FC bid wouldn't have to pay an expansion fee, which could be as high as AUS$10 million, as part of the formal process being run by FFA. Two new teams are due to join the A-League next year. AAP
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What the Wellington Phoenix need to do is sign some D-E-C-E-N-T Australian players, not sign NZ's only Professional Football Team away. Once it's gone it(the A-League) won't be coming back to these shores. As I've said before on this forum the WelNix Owners have shown absolutely "Zero' ambition. It's a pity really because they're also the Owners of the successful Hurricanes Super Rugby Franchise as well. They(the Owners) have done some good things by setting up a "useful Footballing academy there in Wellington, but they're letting down the Game here in NZ badly; the way they've handled the A-League Clubs prospects. Hey Gareth how do you expect to run our Country; if you can't run a (good) football club better than you ; and the other director's are currently managing. If it's balls you want, bring Helen Clark in the mix.
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+xWhat the Wellington Phoenix need to do is sign some D-E-C-E-N-T Australian players, not sign NZ's only Professional Football Team away. Once it's gone it(the A-League) won't be coming back to these shores. As I've said before on this forum the WelNix Owners have shown absolutely "Zero' ambition. It's a pity really because they're also the Owners of the successful Hurricanes Super Rugby Franchise as well. They(the Owners) have done some good things by setting up a "useful Footballing academy there in Wellington, but they're letting down the Game here in NZ badly; the way they've handled the A-League Clubs prospects. Hey Gareth how do you expect to run our Country; if you can't run a (good) football club better than you ; and the other director's are currently managing. If it's balls you want, bring Helen Clark in the mix. They sold there share (Hurricanes) earlier this year, Now its Phoenix's turn to sell out.
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+x+xWhat the Wellington Phoenix need to do is sign some D-E-C-E-N-T Australian players, not sign NZ's only Professional Football Team away. Once it's gone it(the A-League) won't be coming back to these shores. As I've said before on this forum the WelNix Owners have shown absolutely "Zero' ambition. It's a pity really because they're also the Owners of the successful Hurricanes Super Rugby Franchise as well. They(the Owners) have done some good things by setting up a "useful Footballing academy there in Wellington, but they're letting down the Game here in NZ badly; the way they've handled the A-League Clubs prospects. Hey Gareth how do you expect to run our Country; if you can't run a (good) football club better than you ; and the other director's are currently managing. If it's balls you want, bring Helen Clark in the mix. They sold there share (Hurricanes) earlier this year, Now its Phoenix's turn to sell out. i do wonder though, cant NZ sustain their own professional league in any sport?
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+x+x+xWhat the Wellington Phoenix need to do is sign some D-E-C-E-N-T Australian players, not sign NZ's only Professional Football Team away. Once it's gone it(the A-League) won't be coming back to these shores. As I've said before on this forum the WelNix Owners have shown absolutely "Zero' ambition. It's a pity really because they're also the Owners of the successful Hurricanes Super Rugby Franchise as well. They(the Owners) have done some good things by setting up a "useful Footballing academy there in Wellington, but they're letting down the Game here in NZ badly; the way they've handled the A-League Clubs prospects. Hey Gareth how do you expect to run our Country; if you can't run a (good) football club better than you ; and the other director's are currently managing. If it's balls you want, bring Helen Clark in the mix. They sold there share (Hurricanes) earlier this year, Now its Phoenix's turn to sell out. i do wonder though, cant NZ sustain their own professional league in any sport? Rugby could probably do it and Netball is now doing it, but overall maybe not.
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+x+x+x+xWhat the Wellington Phoenix need to do is sign some D-E-C-E-N-T Australian players, not sign NZ's only Professional Football Team away. Once it's gone it(the A-League) won't be coming back to these shores. As I've said before on this forum the WelNix Owners have shown absolutely "Zero' ambition. It's a pity really because they're also the Owners of the successful Hurricanes Super Rugby Franchise as well. They(the Owners) have done some good things by setting up a "useful Footballing academy there in Wellington, but they're letting down the Game here in NZ badly; the way they've handled the A-League Clubs prospects. Hey Gareth how do you expect to run our Country; if you can't run a (good) football club better than you ; and the other director's are currently managing. If it's balls you want, bring Helen Clark in the mix. They sold there share (Hurricanes) earlier this year, Now its Phoenix's turn to sell out. i do wonder though, cant NZ sustain their own professional league in any sport? Rugby could probably do it and Netball is now doing it, but overall maybe not. how many teams though?
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+xOnce it's gone it(the A-League) won't be coming back to these shores. One can only hope!
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This makes me feel sick - I thought St George Illawarra was bad
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Wow it's actually happening...
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Big fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left.
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+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. How do you feel if the Grand Final was held in either of those places? My first reaction was "what No" then I thought about it and its really not so bad.
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+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. This league is only bad because people show up and watch the games. People need to stop funding their bad decisions.
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+x+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. This league is only existing because people show up and watch the games. People need to stop funding their bad decisions. Ftfy
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+x+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. This league is only bad because people show up and watch the games. People need to stop funding their bad decisions. Given ticket sales are handled by the clubs, going to regular season games funds the club, not the FFA. In any case, the FFA have attempted to counter the drop in crowds and ratings this season with more of same i.e. marquee fund.
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+x+x+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. This league is only bad because people show up and watch the games. People need to stop funding their bad decisions. Given ticket sales are handled by the clubs, going to regular season games funds the club, not the FFA. So FFA don't care about attendance metrics ? *cough*WP*cough*In any case, the FFA have attempted to counter the drop in crowds and ratings this season with more of same i.e. marquee fund. Or maybe they do ?
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+x+x+x+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. This league is only bad because people show up and watch the games. People need to stop funding their bad decisions. Given ticket sales are handled by the clubs, going to regular season games funds the club, not the FFA. So FFA don't care about attendance metrics ? *cough*WP*cough*In any case, the FFA have attempted to counter the drop in crowds and ratings this season with more of same i.e. marquee fund. Or maybe they do ? I didn't say the FFA didn't care. I'm saying not attending regular season matches hurts club owners first and foremost. The only time I'd make a conscious decision to not renew my membership would be if SFC ownership we're taking the club in the wrong direction. Ratings are a different story, but the FFA are clueless and have already indicated they intend on using the same short term solutions to "fix" the problem.
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+x+x+x+x+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. This league is only bad because people show up and watch the games. People need to stop funding their bad decisions. Given ticket sales are handled by the clubs, going to regular season games funds the club, not the FFA. So FFA don't care about attendance metrics ? *cough*WP*cough*In any case, the FFA have attempted to counter the drop in crowds and ratings this season with more of same i.e. marquee fund. Or maybe they do ? I didn't say the FFA didn't care. I'm saying not attending regular season matches hurts club owners first and foremost. The only time I'd make a conscious decision to not renew my membership would be if SFC ownership we're taking the club in the wrong direction. Ratings are a different story, but the FFA are clueless and have already indicated they intend on using the same short term solutions to "fix" the problem. Oh well. It all goes up so maybe we should stop funding football altogether. Im sorry but its the only way. A lot dont want to hear it but fan forums, walk outs, mass protests, dropping metrics arent working. Zero investment is the last resort.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fucking joke. Just approve expansion teams from Malaysia and Singapore already and finish off what credibility the league had left. This league is only bad because people show up and watch the games. People need to stop funding their bad decisions. Given ticket sales are handled by the clubs, going to regular season games funds the club, not the FFA. So FFA don't care about attendance metrics ? *cough*WP*cough*In any case, the FFA have attempted to counter the drop in crowds and ratings this season with more of same i.e. marquee fund. Or maybe they do ? I didn't say the FFA didn't care. I'm saying not attending regular season matches hurts club owners first and foremost. The only time I'd make a conscious decision to not renew my membership would be if SFC ownership we're taking the club in the wrong direction. Ratings are a different story, but the FFA are clueless and have already indicated they intend on using the same short term solutions to "fix" the problem. Oh well. It all goes up so maybe we should stop funding football altogether. Im sorry but its the only way. A lot dont want to hear it but fan forums, walk outs, mass protests, dropping metrics arent working. Zero investment is the last resort. Its why the metrics should be fvcked off all together as we wouldn't be in this predicament.
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What a joke. FFA should not be entertaining this. -PB
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This is quite clever by Nix.
They can’t SELL the club, so they MERGE.
Then, SWSyd doesn’t need to pay the $10M licence fee to FFA, meaning FFA get screwed.
Then, in a year or two, SWSyd take full control, again without FFA getting a cent.
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+xThis is quite clever by Nix. They can’t SELL the club, so they MERGE. Then, SWSyd doesn’t need to pay the $10M licence fee to FFA, meaning FFA get screwed. Then, in a year or two, SWSyd take full control, again without FFA getting a cent. they werent really given other options were they? it seems like they are just winding down the club with SWS to take over. the joys of franchises.
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+xWhat a joke. FFA should not be entertaining this. -PB Why not?
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It'll be interesting to see the wording of their license. If they've been given the right to operate the Wellington/NZ franchise, then trying to operate a franchise in Sydney may well be a breach of their agreement. For Melbournites this would be a bit like buying a McDonald's franchise in Richmond, then taking over a Burger King in the CBD and rebranding as McDonalds there as well..
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+xIt'll be interesting to see the wording of their license. If they've been given the right to operate the Wellington/NZ franchise, then trying to operate a franchise in Sydney may well be a breach of their agreement. For Melbournites this would be a bit like buying a McDonald's franchise in Richmond, then taking over a Burger King in the CBD and rebranding as McDonalds there as well.. Franchise models have very specific contractual obligations that ensure a rogue franchisee can't threaten the whole franchise or franchisees. It's at least comforting to know that, whatever Wellington is playing at, the power is well and truly on the franchisers side. What this really comes down to is whether FFA wants Wellington out and whether they like the sound of a franchise in SWS. If they say no, Wellington's in a pretty dire situation.
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I wonder how the "Yellow Fever" are reacting to this news. Sure most of them are a bunch of "plonkers," but there's also one or two passionate and knowledgeable football brains among them. What beats me is how the local NZFA can put Women's Football on an equal footing with men. Surely fans are more interested in the A-League than a proposed W-League?
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The most ridiculous thing I've read since Southern Expansion
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This would mean the new A-League club will be an Australian based club with ethnic roots :)
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+xThis would mean the new A-League club will be an Australian based club with ethnic roots :) lol
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What an absolute fucking abomination.
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i also reckon, SWS Magpies wouldnt even get in, and the FFA gives the liscence to another firm.
if SWS dont get it, i would like another perth or brisbane side to get it
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this has been quiet as well any updates?
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+xthis has been quiet as well any updates? Must mean something has been proposed to FFA. When they go quiet it's just Dave hiding under the blanket hoping it all goes away.
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+x+xthis has been quiet as well any updates? Must mean something has been proposed to FFA. When they go quiet it's just Dave hiding under the blanket hoping it all goes away. Be fair, he's had 5 prettied up servo's to visit
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Quelle Suprise ! A Sydney-based consortium will proceed with its plans to bring an A-League team to the city's south west despite the likely decision of Football Federation to block its proposed $15 million purchase of Wellington Phoenix's licence. The FFA looks set to reject the transfer of the Phoenix's licence on the grounds of maintaining the integrity of its current expansion process, despite Wellington reaching an agreement for its sale and relocation to Sydney
Wellington Phoenix's licence is up in two years' time and it is unlikely to be extended unless there is a drastic uplift in the club's off-field performances. The proposed terms of the sale to the Sydney consortium would have seen Wellington Phoenix close its doors and the A-League effectively end its partnership with New Zealand football. It's understood the proposal included a 100 per cent transfer of Wellington's ownership over a two-year period to the South West Sydney Football Club bid, leading to a new team playing out of Campbelltown Stadium in the short term. Despite earlier reports, it was unlikely the proposed sale would include the new team playing home games in the New Zealand capital and Sydney. The FFA is understood to have informed both parties it will not allow the sale to go through while other entities are bidding for expansion to a 12-team competition. The FFA is set to formally reject the proposal in the coming days
The looming rejection of the sale, however, has not deterred South West Sydney FC going ahead with its bid for an A-League licence after submitting a proposal to fund and build a stadium near Badgery's Creek airport. The group, which is comprised of several local clubs and associations, has approached Liverpool Council with a view to constructing a 15,000-seater stadium in the surrounding precinct of the new airport, having gained funding approval from its private backers. The proposal is for a single-tiered rectangular arena with full roof covering for all seats. The bid is one of three from Sydney that has already been made public as part of the current expansion process, alongside a separate bid from Campbelltown City Council for a team in the growing south-west corridor as well as Southern Expansion, based in Sydney's southern suburbs and Wollongong
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Now let's see people who defend the FFA justify this. Greed of the highest order.
It was win win for everyone involved, the Nix owners who have pumped money into a failing league get paid, the failing league gets a new team and new derbies without any baggage.
Guess the FFA have to pay their ludicrous consultancy fees to their mates somehow
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If the market rate for a license is 15 million then when averaged over the remaining 4 years of the media deal that's 3.75 million annual for each club. It covers the cap before factoring in an extra 6 million (for 2 clubs). It's more than what the media deal is generating per club.
At that price the FFA should very seriously be looking at 4 teams in the expansion round, especially considering how strong the field is. The "self sustaining" argument from DG doesn't hold much water considering the price investors are prepared to buy in at.
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Why dont the FFA offer it to all the unsuccessful bids in that case? It can be up to the losing bids to negotiate with the Nix. Hell charge a percentage if you're that greedy.
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FFA should simply allow it and clip the ticket...
Nix could alternatively simply hand the license back. Why waste more money?
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The thing is this deal is going to happen one way or another. Nix are finished we haven't even signed players for next season let alone got a new coach.
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An outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down
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+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts.
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+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money
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+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money + Sky Sports $300k
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+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money It doesn't work that way. The clubs that contribute to the highest rating matches contribute a higher than proportionate amount of the value the broadcaster pays for. The clubs that deliver higher average ratings deliver more value. Wellington games on average rate 2/3 of the ratings of Sydney, Melbourne Victory, City, Wanderers. They are consistently the lowest rating club and the majority of viewership for their games is from the Australian fans NOT from Wellington. The clubs with presence in the Australian marketplace - the market Foxtel earns its subscription revenue from - contribute far more value than those who don't. Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club.
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+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die
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+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ? Yes. Just the same as the other clubs. That doesn't change the fact that the agreed payment wasn't more than the revenue the club generated for the FFA which is also the case for some Australian clubs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ? Yes. Just the same as the other clubs. That doesn't change the fact that the agreed payment wasn't more than the revenue the club generated for the FFA.which is also the case for some Australian clubs. What it changes is that a handout is something extra to 'the deal' everyone signed up for and agreed
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ? Yes. Just the same as the other clubs. That doesn't change the fact that the agreed payment wasn't more than the revenue the club generated for the FFA.which is also the case for some Australian clubs. What it changes is that a handout is something extra to 'the deal' everyone signed up for and agreed Point taken.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games. Most recent TV deal with Fox is $346m over 6 years - about $58m a year (does not include Ten FTA deal or any league wide sponsorship revenue)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games. Most recent TV deal with Fox is $346m over 6 years - about $58m a year (does not include Ten FTA deal or any league wide sponsorship revenue) $346m is the total including $42m total contra, annual bonus from year 2 for expansion by 2 clubs and annual bonus after year 4 for meeting metrics. At the moment we are behind in expansion and haven't got a prayer of meeting the metrics. The total value at the moment is not $58m pa and of course it is from the cash value that the distribution to the clubs is made.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games. Most recent TV deal with Fox is $346m over 6 years - about $58m a year (does not include Ten FTA deal or any league wide sponsorship revenue) Ten didn't pay it got it for free.
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+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down To play the devils advocate, the FFA are trying to 'maintain the integrity of the expansion process', and a potential bidder is sliding through the back door. I think its a typically terrible idea from FFA to knock it back. Maybe also not wanting to get another southernly named expansion bid offside....
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+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because they've already promised the Southern Expansion bid that they'd get the third Sydney spot. Nothing about what the FFA do is fair and transparent.
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+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because they've already promised the Southern Expansion bid that they'd get the third Sydney spot. Nothing about what the FFA do is fair and transparent. Thats probably it.
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Nix will simply not appoint a coach or new players, maybe fire any coaching staff they have left and say to FFA your call....
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Because the FFA make no money And their already desperate expansion gamble is diluted down to homeopathic levels in Southern Sydney
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FFA is a joke.Nothing they do is for the good of the game.It's about themselves
They should be banned from being associated with any terms like INTEGRITY..
Here is a way of getting a new team where the fish are.But FFA have to be dicks again.
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Heart cost less then Nix
But why reject it?
The question is who would you prefer, South Sydney (joined bid) or Nix?
Nix all day if the South Sydney bid means no Wolves
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+xHeart cost less then Nix But why reject it? The question is who would you prefer, South Sydney (joined bid) or Nix?
Nix all day if the South Sydney bid means no Wolves Neither, both would be a basket case.
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+xHeart cost less then Nix But why reject it? The question is who would you prefer, South Sydney (joined bid) or Nix? Nix all day if the South Sydney bid means no Wolves This is a South West Sydney bid (Campbellfield/Macarthur/Liverpool/Badgery's Creek) trying to buy the Nix license, not "Southern Expansion".
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Unfortunately I have to agree with the FFA on this, Nix are opportunistically trying to cash in on the back of Australian interest. If they had a buyer for Nix as a Wellington team then I am sure FFA would approve it. But by trying to sell the license to the highest bidder, they are backdooring the process and could potentially torpedo a better bid from a similar location. Either way, by doing this Nix have shown they have no interest in continuing long terms so there will be a 3rd new team added to replace them.
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I guess we can look forward to a team of U12's coached by the tea lady for the Nix next season.
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I wonder what FFA would have said if Southern Expansion were offered the license
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The price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it.
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+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.)
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+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute.
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+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. What horse shit!, Wellington have every right to sell there license to the highest bidder! Merging a team does not drag the league down or affect the other clubs its just business its not personal.
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+x+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. What horse shit!, Wellington have every right to sell there license to the highest bidder! Merging a team does not drag the league down or affect the other clubs its just business its not personal. Sorry, but that is horse shit! Welnix do not have any right at all to sell "their" licence to whoever they like. It's a licence not a puppy. Wellington holds a licence to promote and aid professional football in New Zealand. If the Welnix consortium don't give a shit about NZ football then they are exposed, and clearly exposed at that, as money grubbing individuals looking to cynically line their pockets as they throw away NZ's football future and the livelihoods of a couple dozen current players and a generation of pro's in waiting. If they were to ask to transfer the licence to another NZ based franchise that was based in Auckland or even Whakatane for all I care and dollars didn't enter into it then there would be sympathy. The New Zealand Football Federation should be embarrassed by this and pursued heavily by any true lover of the sport in that country. They clearly have done nothing at all to preserve and promote their own game. They should be openly and strongly asking the FFA to block this and helping the Welnix or whoever comes behind them. This horrible little play by these mongrels deserves to die and anybody that attempts to pick up that particular licence, in this way, at this time, deserves to have their bid trashed.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. What horse shit!, Wellington have every right to sell there license to the highest bidder! Merging a team does not drag the league down or affect the other clubs its just business its not personal. Sorry, but that is horse shit! Welnix do not have any right at all to sell "their" licence to whoever they like. It's a licence not a puppy. Wellington holds a licence to promote and aid professional football in New Zealand. If the Welnix consortium don't give a shit about NZ football then they are exposed, and clearly exposed at that, as money grubbing individuals looking to cynically line their pockets as they throw away NZ's football future and the livelihoods of a couple dozen current players and a generation of pro's in waiting. If they were to ask to transfer the licence to another NZ based franchise that was based in Auckland or even Whakatane for all I care and dollars didn't enter into it then there would be sympathy. The New Zealand Football Federation should be embarrassed by this and pursued heavily by any true lover of the sport in that country. They clearly have done nothing at all to preserve and promote their own game. They should be openly and strongly asking the FFA to block this and helping the Welnix or whoever comes behind them. This horrible little play by these mongrels deserves to die and anybody that attempts to pick up that particular licence, in this way, at this time, deserves to have their bid trashed. I'm not particularly concerned if FFA don't get the 15 million, but I certainly don't want Welnix to get it. The value of the license is in being a 1/10 shareholder in a league with a media deal. They don't pull their weight there. Theor ratings are the lowest. They don't generate foxtel subscriptions for the company that actually pays for just that, and they certainly have no claim to the portion of the media deal that is from Socceroos rights. If it ended up being Welnix surrendering the license, then FFA selling it and taking the profit, I wouldn't be too upset if that money were then returned as a severance payment (say, ~2 million each year for 7 years) directly to the NZ federation as a good will gesture and to help them remodel the local league. I'd be for that. I'm not for rewarding a consortium that is kicking our league when we are down and trying to score a massive profit from doing so. For those that want Australians to be the bad guys in all this, let's just remind ourselves of what happened when the FFA rightfully asked Welnix to lift their game. Crowds dropped 25%. By far their largest crowd (3k more than their second largest crowd in the entire last 2 seasons) was this:  People who came once for one reason - to FU us. And by some coincidence, 2 years later, this is where we are.
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+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. While you make sense, I'm not sure what is less palatable right now; a potential Milton Keynes/American sports franchise relocation scenario, or a scenario where a deleterious leech of a club from a different country is taking a place that could be held by one from our own country, for the same share of our TV money. I used to be in the save the Nix camp but they've got beyond proving that they bring far less than they contribute to our league and it's time to go.
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the only way this is a good decision if the ffa scrap the nix and bring in 3 expansions teams. It seems like it is only a matter of time before nix are out, the ffa should bite the bullet now while there is interest.
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Farce. Lose lose situation for the FFA. Worse case scenario is set in motion.
Would rather a sth w syd team than the south sydney team. But FFA will be pissing off a lot of other bidders and lose 5-15 million by letting it go ahead. Next season before the new expansion teams come in is gonna be absolutely horrid.
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FFA willing to let this drag on for another two years so they can yank the license for free and sell it themselves instead of letting the current owners recoup some money.
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I Have to agree that none of the clubs get handouts.The clubs are franchisees and collect some revenue directly from sales and other revenue from the franchisor(FFA) as part of the franchise agreement.
Unfortunately most of the cubs total revenue is less than their costs.So owners have to make up the shortfall,year after year.
Arguments about how much each franchise/club brings to the table should be largely irrelevant.There will always be clubs that are higher profile than others. It's what makes football great.Small clubs can rise all the way to the top.
Sadly we are stuck in the FFA quagmire of economic rationalism.Now even some football fans are starting to believe this mantra.
Cull the weak teams because of metrics? Really is that what people want?
All that will happen is the FFA franchise model is strengthened.How do you ever get out of a closed top tier structure if you dont have weak teams?
By making franchise values increase all the time it makes it harder and harder to introduce Promotion/Relegation.
In my view you shouldn't be getting rid of the weaker teams,you should be keeping them and introducing more teams based on how they engage football fans throughout Australia.Not just where the fish are.By doing this it becomes easier to introduce promotion and relegation not harder.
If we had a proper Football structure and a long term plan,we wouldn't be talking about culling anyone,just relegation.
Culling teams = disengaging football fans....Gold Coast,North Qld,
Relegating teams = keeping engagement of football fans.
Don't get conned by FFA!If you are football fan Culling is never an option.
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Still don't understand the anger and opprobrium about this. Sounds much better than keeping Wellington in the league as it is. So what if they'll play 3 games in New Zealand? That can't last beyond one season. So basically, this gets rid of the dead wood in Phoenix and allows 3 new teams into the comp in the next couple of years. It's not a bad thing at all.
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I note SMH or FFA are not dropping info about CRWG progress
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Countries with P&R don't have these issues
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+xCountries with P&R don't have these issues How is P&R working in NZ? We should do what they're doing to grab some of that sweet sweet success.
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+x+xCountries with P&R don't have these issues How is P&R working in NZ? We should do what they're doing to grab some of that sweet sweet success. Are they Unuk tu ?
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+xCountries with P&R don't have these issues They don't have other "football" codes and they're not unique.
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+x+xCountries with P&R don't have these issues They don't have other "football" codes and they're not unique. WRONG! English Super league - rugby league not to mention all these rugby Union comps - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rugby_union_competitions#Men
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Timeline courtesy of https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/103949528/wellington-phoenix-silence-speaks-volumes-as-doubt-festers-over-clubs-futureHOW THE CURRENT PHOENIX SAGA HAS UNFOLDED March 28: Football Federation Australia calls for expressions of interest from parties wishing to join the A-League, with two teams set to be added ahead of the 2019-20 season. April 3: A-League boss Greg O'Rourke tells AAP the Phoenix are short of the metrics they need to hit in order to trigger a three-year licence extension in 2020: April 14: The Phoenix finish the 2017-18 A-League season with a 2-1 win over Melbourne City in Auckland. April 22: The Sunday Herald Sun reports the Phoenix are "exploring the option of selling at least a partial stake to one of the expansion hopefuls," claiming they've had talks with two expansion bids in recent days, one of which was believed to be South West Sydney. April 24: The Phoenix issue a statement with the key line: "We will not be making any decision on the future of this club until the future of the A-League is clearer which may not be for some time". April 24: Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison grants an interview to Radio Sport. He confirms the Phoenix have talked to parties interested in joining the A-League. He is asked: "Are you interested in selling the A-League licence you hold?" and says: "No, is the simple answer. There's not a lot of sense in us selling the licence". The possibility of a merger of some description is left on the table. April 25: A report in the Sydney Morning Herald offers one bit of new information: South Melbourne officials have reached out to the Phoenix again that week. April 25: The Herald Sun follows up its original report, saying the Phoenix "have failed to dispel speculation that their A-League licence is up for sale". The fresh report focuses on ongoing negotiations between the Phoenix and the South West Sydney bid. April 27: The World Game reports that the Brisbane Strikers, an existing club bidding to join the A-League, are interested in buying the Phoenix's licence. Chairman Bruce Atterton-Evans claims "talks are ongoing," between the Strikers and the Phoenix. The report also includes fresh quotes from South Melbourne bid chairman Bill Papastergiadis, who claims Morrison and Dome met them in Melbourne in 2017 offering to sell 25 per cent of the club for $1.6 million. April 27: The Phoenix issue a statement, dismissing the Strikers' claim as "pure fairytale stuff". They also responds to the South Melbourne claims: "The only meeting the Phoenix had in Melbourne, with South Melbourne, took place in June 2016 and that was in response to an approach from South Melbourne to the Wellington Phoenix. There has been no contact since August 2016 , apart from an email from South Melbourne three days ago which the Phoenix have not replied to". May 7: Dome tells Stuff the reports out of Australia were part of an FFA strategy to deflect attention from their own issues. May 9: Midfielder Matt Ridenton leaves the Phoenix after five years, signing with the Newcastle Jets. The next day he tells Stuff the uncertainty surrounding the club was a factor in his departure. May 11: The Herald Sun reports that a memorandum of understanding has been agreed between the Phoenix and South West Sydney, with a 50 per cent stake in the club to be sold immediately. "A large portion" of home games would be played in Sydney, and the existing contracts of 10 Phoenix players would be honoured. May 11: FFA chief executive David Gallop confirms he met with Morrison and Marra that day, and issues a statement to AAP. May 11: The Phoenix tweet that they "once again will refuse to speculate on speculation". May 12: The Phoenix issue a statement. It contains no mention of South West Sydney, but says "there are currently potential options that are worth exploring," while repeating Morrison's claim that "the club is not looking to sell its licence". May 15: The Sydney Morning Herald reports that the FFA is set to reject a $16.3m sale of the Phoenix to the South-West Sydney bid, in order to "[maintain] the integrity of its current expansion process".
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I genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes.
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+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long.
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+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it
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+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics.
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+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. 7/10
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+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. Bwahahaha more egg on face for the FFA if this were to eventuate BTW you got a source?
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+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football.
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+x+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football. Agree and they also have short memories, when TS was in charge they had better crowds, played a better style and we had people advocating for a second NZ team. They were for many folk their second team. Next lapse of memory is metrics has only been applied to us. HHHMMMM NQF and Gold Coast would wanta argue that point, and just on the metrics when signed off the requirements were bagged for being way to easy and anyone with half a brain could met them. Part of the original deal with NZF to allow Australia out of Oceania was to have a team for 10 years, and the second part was NZF would lift their game. NZF has gone from bad to worst even sending players to FIFA events not meeting FIFA regulations. Its farcical, that they don’t see the obvious and simply lift their game.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football. Agree and they also have short memories, when TS was in charge they had better crowds, played a better style and we had people advocating for a second NZ team. They were for many folk their second team. Next lapse of memory is metrics has only been applied to us. HHHMMMM NQF and Gold Coast would wanta argue that point, and just on the metrics when signed off the requirements were bagged for being way to easy and anyone with half a brain could met them. Part of the original deal with NZF to allow Australia out of Oceania was to have a team for 10 years, and the second part was NZF would lift their game. NZF has gone from bad to worst even sending players to FIFA events not meeting FIFA regulations. Its farcical, that they don’t see the obvious and simply lift their game. I see where your coming from. You don't see the Australia Rugby blaming New Zealand Rugby for there ongoing issues and poor management yet we see Wellington doing exactly that. I think its time to get some Marquee players and bring the crowds back, Its the only way Nix's can survive.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football. Agree and they also have short memories, when TS was in charge they had better crowds, played a better style and we had people advocating for a second NZ team. They were for many folk their second team. Next lapse of memory is metrics has only been applied to us. HHHMMMM NQF and Gold Coast would wanta argue that point, and just on the metrics when signed off the requirements were bagged for being way to easy and anyone with half a brain could met them. Part of the original deal with NZF to allow Australia out of Oceania was to have a team for 10 years, and the second part was NZF would lift their game. NZF has gone from bad to worst even sending players to FIFA events not meeting FIFA regulations. Its farcical, that they don’t see the obvious and simply lift their game. I see where your coming from. You don't see the Australia Rugby blaming New Zealand Rugby for there ongoing issues and poor management yet we see Wellington doing exactly that. I think its time to get some Marquee players and bring the crowds back, Its the only way Nix's can survive. There are no Australian rugby teams that are under New Zealand Rugby's governance, analogy is not apt.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football. Agree and they also have short memories, when TS was in charge they had better crowds, played a better style and we had people advocating for a second NZ team. They were for many folk their second team. Next lapse of memory is metrics has only been applied to us. HHHMMMM NQF and Gold Coast would wanta argue that point, and just on the metrics when signed off the requirements were bagged for being way to easy and anyone with half a brain could met them. Part of the original deal with NZF to allow Australia out of Oceania was to have a team for 10 years, and the second part was NZF would lift their game. NZF has gone from bad to worst even sending players to FIFA events not meeting FIFA regulations. Its farcical, that they don’t see the obvious and simply lift their game. Part of the problem is the WP have endeared themselves to NZF just about as poorly to FFA. Frankly I think NZ should feel more ripped off than we do. Since we left Oceania we've sent a good 25 mill back over for the benefit of NZF. How much of that has filtered through to NZFC?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football. Agree and they also have short memories, when TS was in charge they had better crowds, played a better style and we had people advocating for a second NZ team. They were for many folk their second team. Next lapse of memory is metrics has only been applied to us. HHHMMMM NQF and Gold Coast would wanta argue that point, and just on the metrics when signed off the requirements were bagged for being way to easy and anyone with half a brain could met them. Part of the original deal with NZF to allow Australia out of Oceania was to have a team for 10 years, and the second part was NZF would lift their game. NZF has gone from bad to worst even sending players to FIFA events not meeting FIFA regulations. Its farcical, that they don’t see the obvious and simply lift their game. Part of the problem is the WP have endeared themselves to NZF just about as poorly to FFA. Frankly I think NZ should feel more ripped off than we do. Since we left Oceania we've sent a good 25 mill back over for the benefit of NZF. How much of that has filtered through to NZFC? Your on drugs if you think money from the FFA went into the NZFC. NZF used to own part of the Wellington Phoenix licence until it went sourly to Welnix around 2014 I think. NZF has done fk all to help the Phoenix except allow them to field a development team in the NZFC. The FFA help fund NYL they don't help Nix in that department at all period, and they should to be honest.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football. Agree and they also have short memories, when TS was in charge they had better crowds, played a better style and we had people advocating for a second NZ team. They were for many folk their second team. Next lapse of memory is metrics has only been applied to us. HHHMMMM NQF and Gold Coast would wanta argue that point, and just on the metrics when signed off the requirements were bagged for being way to easy and anyone with half a brain could met them. Part of the original deal with NZF to allow Australia out of Oceania was to have a team for 10 years, and the second part was NZF would lift their game. NZF has gone from bad to worst even sending players to FIFA events not meeting FIFA regulations. Its farcical, that they don’t see the obvious and simply lift their game. Part of the problem is the WP have endeared themselves to NZF just about as poorly to FFA. Frankly I think NZ should feel more ripped off than we do. Since we left Oceania we've sent a good 25 mill back over for the benefit of NZF. How much of that has filtered through to NZFC? Your on drugs if you think money from the FFA went into the NZFC. NZF used to own part of the Wellington Phoenix licence until it went sourly to Welnix around 2014 I think. NZF has done fk all to help the Phoenix except allow them to field a development team in the NZFC. The FFA help fund NYL they don't help Nix in that department at all period, and they should to be honest. You're right for once. Whatever money we have sent over seems to stopped at the Phoenix and I haven't touched drugs in my life.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI genuinely hope the NZFA are doing something constructive behind the scenes; even if they don't want to conduct their business in the eye of the Media. Surely; I repeat surely there must be some well heeled Kiwi's willing to invest in NZ's Footballing future, because that's what I believe we're talking about. Maybe, just maybe Asia is the answer to NZ's Footballing woes. NZFA are hopeless. Amateur football over professional football all day long. i reckon FIFA might have to step in, because NZ cannot sustain a professional competition on its own. it'll look stupid if Oceania is the only continent without a professional team so i think FIFA has to do something about it There was talk of FIFA sanctions if Nix were to be kicked out due to unfair metrics. You seem to be labouring the wrong point - Nobody is kicking the Nix out! They are choosing to leave all by themselves. Welnix are trying to screw over both NZ and Australia and line their pockets with dollars exchanged for broken dreams. Meantime, NZ Football are sitting on their fat arses doing nothing. Wellington supporters are dismayed, as they should be, but wandering about blaming the FFA for something, something, something isn't justified. Australian Football, via the FFA and the A-League has been propping up a generation of pro football in New Zealand. It's money, time and effort that could be invested in expanding the game in their own jurisdiction. The pressure was growing 3 years ago and the response hasn't been great. The FFA quite cleverly killed off the "your competition needs us" shit with the initial Southern Expansion bluff. (Oh the hand wringing horror from Fox pundits too dumb to work it out). Now it's clear there are nearly a dozen ready to go replacements if Welnix can't lift their game. If their only response is to be arrogant and rude to Australian Football then sorry genuine NZ and Wellington fans, your owners can fuck themselves. They are fucking you over but they won't get the chance to do that to their other benefactors - Australian Football. Agree and they also have short memories, when TS was in charge they had better crowds, played a better style and we had people advocating for a second NZ team. They were for many folk their second team. Next lapse of memory is metrics has only been applied to us. HHHMMMM NQF and Gold Coast would wanta argue that point, and just on the metrics when signed off the requirements were bagged for being way to easy and anyone with half a brain could met them. Part of the original deal with NZF to allow Australia out of Oceania was to have a team for 10 years, and the second part was NZF would lift their game. NZF has gone from bad to worst even sending players to FIFA events not meeting FIFA regulations. Its farcical, that they don’t see the obvious and simply lift their game. Part of the problem is the WP have endeared themselves to NZF just about as poorly to FFA. Frankly I think NZ should feel more ripped off than we do. Since we left Oceania we've sent a good 25 mill back over for the benefit of NZF. How much of that has filtered through to NZFC? Your on drugs if you think money from the FFA went into the NZFC. NZF used to own part of the Wellington Phoenix licence until it went sourly to Welnix around 2014 I think. NZF has done fk all to help the Phoenix except allow them to field a development team in the NZFC. The FFA help fund NYL they don't help Nix in that department at all period, and they should to be honest. You're right for once. Whatever money we have sent over seems to stopped at the Phoenix and I haven't touched drugs in my life. Please your from Adelaide...…… And the FFA "GOAL" project funds went to the island nations didn't stop at the Phoenix.
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That post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars.
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They are liars and Nix will still be around in 2years under there current name Wellington Phoenix no Sth West Sydney attached.
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+xThat post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars. Well, I think its just the media (and possibly the FFA or the media speculating with the FFA ok with that) as this is what SWS Sydney tweeted: Lots of false media being reported. Not fair for fans, club or owners who have invested a lot in the Club. @WgtnPhoenixFC wishing the club all the best for the 2018/19 Season.
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+xThat post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars. The Nix and SWS have both denied it, seeing as those are supposed to be the two parties who are in the deal then that's conclusive. On the YF podcast a few weeks ago Dome talked about some of the email correspondence between the Nix and the clubs they were apparently talking to, it was pretty much non existent. The only correspondence they had with the Brisbane Strikers for instance was that Brisbane had sent them an email a day before the rumors started which the Nix didn't responded to. It only takes one person trying to get the name of the club out there as a serious contender for expansion to start a rumor. The spanner in the works is that Gallop apparently confirmed the rumors, you can only assume that his quote was misconstrued or he misunderstood something.
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+x+xThat post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars. The Nix and SWS have both denied it, seeing as those are supposed to be the two parties who are in the deal then that's conclusive. On the YF podcast a few weeks ago Dome talked about some of the email correspondence between the Nix and the clubs they were apparently talking to, it was pretty much non existent. The only correspondence they had with the Brisbane Strikers for instance was that Brisbane had sent them an email a day before the rumors started which the Nix didn't responded to. It only takes one person trying to get the name of the club out there as a serious contender for expansion to start a rumor. The spanner in the works is that Gallop apparently confirmed the rumors, you can only assume that his quote was misconstrued or he misunderstood something. If two parties wanted to do a deal under the radar and it fell through, would it not be perfectly normal for both parties to deny it ever happened? I don't think a denial is conclusive at all. Remember that if the deal for Welnix fell through they are back to square one and having to turn around the club. They're not about to say to their own fans "well, we tried cashing out but it didn't work, so how about we forget about it and get our crowds up 50% to stay in the league."
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+x+x+xThat post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars. The Nix and SWS have both denied it, seeing as those are supposed to be the two parties who are in the deal then that's conclusive. On the YF podcast a few weeks ago Dome talked about some of the email correspondence between the Nix and the clubs they were apparently talking to, it was pretty much non existent. The only correspondence they had with the Brisbane Strikers for instance was that Brisbane had sent them an email a day before the rumors started which the Nix didn't responded to. It only takes one person trying to get the name of the club out there as a serious contender for expansion to start a rumor. The spanner in the works is that Gallop apparently confirmed the rumors, you can only assume that his quote was misconstrued or he misunderstood something. If two parties wanted to do a deal under the radar and it fell through, would it not be perfectly normal for both parties to deny it ever happened? I don't think a denial is conclusive at all. Remember that if the deal for Welnix fell through they are back to square one and having to turn around the club. They're not about to say to their own fans "well, we tried cashing out but it didn't work, so how about we forget about it and get our crowds up 50% to stay in the league." Well, then they're damned if they do and damned if they don't then aren't they? We have unsubstantiated rumors which are along the lines of plenty of other rumors which have also been proven to be false, and the quote from Gallop "confirming it" actually appears unrelated, on one hand, and we have the two parties actually involved on record saying the rumors are false on the other and you're choosing to believe the unsubstantiated rumors. These rumors have repeatedly been proven to be false, if there's smoke there doesn't necessarily need to be a fire, could also just be some burning wacky backy. As I said, David Dome actually shared the correspondence for the last lot of merger rumors, including the Brisbane Strikers apologising to the Phoenix for exaggerating things in the media.
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+xThat post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars. Not only that, SWS never made an offer. What's happening is the Phoenix have been talking to teams for years about building a W-League side and basing it in Australia, also academies in Australia, NYL teams, etc. They're constantly looking for partnerships and this is being severely misconstrued.
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+xThat post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars. "Meetings with FFA, other clubs, prospective clubs/bidders, councils, various other bodies have and will continue to take place" "in terms of total spend remains middle of the pack and will continue to do so at this stage." "We know that Welnix are open to approach from new investors to spread this risk and inject capital and we also already know fairly publicly that some owners want out. " "So while not actively seeking offers it would be irresponsible not to hear them out should they appear" "Welnix would sell the club if a huge offer was made." It's a fan's blog. If you pick through the fanboyishness you can still see plenty of basis for speculation. The wrap appears to be that they hoping for more money from Australia in the future and that if they can get an "independent" league going then feel they will get some sort of permanent lock-in. Doesn't sound like they are overly keen for second divisions, and P&R and all the candy that 442 forum clairvoyants believe will magically fall out of a foreign controlled League and Association.
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+x+xThat post suggest a flat denial that Welnix signed an MOU with the South Western Sydney consortium for the sale of the club. They are suggesting the Australian media, the FFA and South Western Sydney are liars. That's a lot of liars. "Meetings with FFA, other clubs, prospective clubs/bidders, councils, various other bodies have and will continue to take place" "in terms of total spend remains middle of the pack and will continue to do so at this stage." "We know that Welnix are open to approach from new investors to spread this risk and inject capital and we also already know fairly publicly that some owners want out. " "So while not actively seeking offers it would be irresponsible not to hear them out should they appear" "Welnix would sell the club if a huge offer was made." It's a fan's blog. If you pick through the fanboyishness you can still see plenty of basis for speculation. The wrap appears to be that they hoping for more money from Australia in the future and that if they can get an "independent" league going then feel they will get some sort of permanent lock-in. Doesn't sound like they are overly keen for second divisions, and P&R and all the candy that 442 forum clairvoyants believe will magically fall out of a foreign controlled League and Association. " prospective clubs/bidders," This is in relation to FFA expansion and not directly bidding for the NIx. But as you say anything can be read/written based on some of the info just as I think Gollop did not lie about a meeting but did not disclose the full content in context of the meeting. RM was in the forefront of the initial setup of APFCA and to this end has most likely rubbed your national body the wrong way, so pay back is sweet for them.
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Article J working well for FFA https://twitter.com/SWSFootball/status/996716279837876226https://www.yellowfever.co.nz/blogs/to-the-last/blog_posts/my-dinner-with-andre
Bet you the FFA know that all club officials are meeting respective expansion groups, meeting each other re the CRWG and the planning how to wrestle control of the A-League.
#FIFA want the congress of the FFA to restructure with special mention of article 15: J
Not the FFA finest time to have the CEO stoking a fire with mis-information while actively applying for a FIFA World Cup
Don't think they are not watching Mr G and Mr O'R
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Spent money on Ernie, Kosta etc over 3 years - all turn to custard but wrong thread for a new NIX out war.
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So what happens next with wellington?
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+xSo what happens next with wellington? Better Question "What happens next with the A-League"
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+xSo what happens next with wellington? pre-season
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