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Farce. Lose lose situation for the FFA. Worse case scenario is set in motion.
Would rather a sth w syd team than the south sydney team. But FFA will be pissing off a lot of other bidders and lose 5-15 million by letting it go ahead. Next season before the new expansion teams come in is gonna be absolutely horrid.
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+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die
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FFA willing to let this drag on for another two years so they can yank the license for free and sell it themselves instead of letting the current owners recoup some money.
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+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.)
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+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014.
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+x+xWhat a farce. Either sell the whole license, repeal it, or let Wellington stay (which looks unlikely). None of this half and half BS. Does everyone in charge of football in this country have some kind of brain tumor that causes them to think illogically and make moronic decisions? Sure as hell feels like it. A SW Sydney team can be successful, but they should be in this league purely on their own and not as some mutant 50/50 travelling circus club, nor should they have Wellington or the word Phoenix anywhere in their name or crest. Please be SW Sydney Magpies, playing out of Campbelltown Stadium or that new boutique stadium being built in Fairfield, with black and white colours and a squad full of players from the region with an identity they have built themselves. Nix can stay or go but to attach them as a hybrid is doing a dishonour to both teams and alienating two sets of fans. Methinks you're getting a bit too far down the road. This is WP sticking a tuppenny-bunger in Gallops Undies And the SW bid getting it's foot in the door
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ?
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+xHeart cost less then Nix But why reject it? The question is who would you prefer, South Sydney (joined bid) or Nix?
Nix all day if the South Sydney bid means no Wolves Neither, both would be a basket case.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ? Yes. Just the same as the other clubs. That doesn't change the fact that the agreed payment wasn't more than the revenue the club generated for the FFA which is also the case for some Australian clubs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ? Yes. Just the same as the other clubs. That doesn't change the fact that the agreed payment wasn't more than the revenue the club generated for the FFA.which is also the case for some Australian clubs. What it changes is that a handout is something extra to 'the deal' everyone signed up for and agreed
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I Have to agree that none of the clubs get handouts.The clubs are franchisees and collect some revenue directly from sales and other revenue from the franchisor(FFA) as part of the franchise agreement.
Unfortunately most of the cubs total revenue is less than their costs.So owners have to make up the shortfall,year after year.
Arguments about how much each franchise/club brings to the table should be largely irrelevant.There will always be clubs that are higher profile than others. It's what makes football great.Small clubs can rise all the way to the top.
Sadly we are stuck in the FFA quagmire of economic rationalism.Now even some football fans are starting to believe this mantra.
Cull the weak teams because of metrics? Really is that what people want?
All that will happen is the FFA franchise model is strengthened.How do you ever get out of a closed top tier structure if you dont have weak teams?
By making franchise values increase all the time it makes it harder and harder to introduce Promotion/Relegation.
In my view you shouldn't be getting rid of the weaker teams,you should be keeping them and introducing more teams based on how they engage football fans throughout Australia.Not just where the fish are.By doing this it becomes easier to introduce promotion and relegation not harder.
If we had a proper Football structure and a long term plan,we wouldn't be talking about culling anyone,just relegation.
Culling teams = disengaging football fans....Gold Coast,North Qld,
Relegating teams = keeping engagement of football fans.
Don't get conned by FFA!If you are football fan Culling is never an option.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. so when you say handout, you mean the agreed funding arrangements that came with their license ? Yes. Just the same as the other clubs. That doesn't change the fact that the agreed payment wasn't more than the revenue the club generated for the FFA.which is also the case for some Australian clubs. What it changes is that a handout is something extra to 'the deal' everyone signed up for and agreed Point taken.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games. Most recent TV deal with Fox is $346m over 6 years - about $58m a year (does not include Ten FTA deal or any league wide sponsorship revenue)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games. Most recent TV deal with Fox is $346m over 6 years - about $58m a year (does not include Ten FTA deal or any league wide sponsorship revenue) $346m is the total including $42m total contra, annual bonus from year 2 for expansion by 2 clubs and annual bonus after year 4 for meeting metrics. At the moment we are behind in expansion and haven't got a prayer of meeting the metrics. The total value at the moment is not $58m pa and of course it is from the cash value that the distribution to the clubs is made.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAn outright purchase and all games in Sydney AND the Nux problem #metrics solved. Baffled why this was turned down Because FFA wants the 15 million. Maybe FFA doen't deserve it all that much, but they deserve it more than the Welnix consortium which has generated none of the value of the license yet wants to be rewarded for squatting on everyone else's efforts. Nix facilitate 10% of TV money Wellington don't contribute 10%. Their value is in providing a dancing partner for all the other Australian clubs, and it's a job that can be done better by any other Australian club. If that were true, why did FFA give them a new license ? why not give a chance to Canberra to be cannon fodder for the important franchises ? Phoenix undertook to raise their metrics and to attempt to get Sky to raise their contribution for the rights. Canberra would be an option but one that includes another low value club to the broadcaster which in turn reflects in what the broadcaster would pay for the rights.Why did it take so long to find a taker for NJ ? Getting someone to buy a club in a regional city is harder than one in a bigger market.
Nix having been losing money to keep Franks model afloat, never had a hand out, and now the vultures would rather let them die They had a handout the whole time. They were subsidised from FFA revenue which in turn was subsidised most years by the Government until 2014. The 'Nix only get about 5% of the TV deal and none of the sponsorship revenue that FFA collect. And, the FFA wouldn't be getting anything if it were not for the owners of all clubs being prepared to lose money propping up clubs - ALL clubs lost money so that the FFA get to pocket about 50% of the TV deal, for doing what? Hiring consultants? The rights deal this season just finished was about $45m and the clubs were offered $35.5m of that. That $45m includes rights to Socceroos friendlies and all Matildas games which are said to be worth about $7m. The rights also include $5m contra. The sum of this is that Nix received slightly over 10% of the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights. A similar calculation can be made for the sponsorship revenue which was $26m in 2017 but has gone up about 10% this season according to a quote from the FFA. Again sponsorship includes in- kind contributions and the specific sponsorships for the Socceroos and Matildas are significant. I'd guess that a maximum of $20m of the total this season is A-league sponsorship revenue including in-kind services or about $17 in cash. With the cash value of the A-League broadcast rights being fully distributed to the clubs the sponsorship revenue is then left to cover all league operational costs. How much is left after all costs are met? Socceroos aren't in the TV deal. FFA do not own the rights Socceroos friendlies are in the rights deal. The games that aren't are the games run by the AFC i.e. WCQ and ACQ games. Most recent TV deal with Fox is $346m over 6 years - about $58m a year (does not include Ten FTA deal or any league wide sponsorship revenue) Ten didn't pay it got it for free.
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Still don't understand the anger and opprobrium about this. Sounds much better than keeping Wellington in the league as it is. So what if they'll play 3 games in New Zealand? That can't last beyond one season. So basically, this gets rid of the dead wood in Phoenix and allows 3 new teams into the comp in the next couple of years. It's not a bad thing at all.
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I note SMH or FFA are not dropping info about CRWG progress
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+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute.
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+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. What horse shit!, Wellington have every right to sell there license to the highest bidder! Merging a team does not drag the league down or affect the other clubs its just business its not personal.
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+xHeart cost less then Nix But why reject it? The question is who would you prefer, South Sydney (joined bid) or Nix? Nix all day if the South Sydney bid means no Wolves This is a South West Sydney bid (Campbellfield/Macarthur/Liverpool/Badgery's Creek) trying to buy the Nix license, not "Southern Expansion".
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+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. While you make sense, I'm not sure what is less palatable right now; a potential Milton Keynes/American sports franchise relocation scenario, or a scenario where a deleterious leech of a club from a different country is taking a place that could be held by one from our own country, for the same share of our TV money. I used to be in the save the Nix camp but they've got beyond proving that they bring far less than they contribute to our league and it's time to go.
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+x+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. What horse shit!, Wellington have every right to sell there license to the highest bidder! Merging a team does not drag the league down or affect the other clubs its just business its not personal. Sorry, but that is horse shit! Welnix do not have any right at all to sell "their" licence to whoever they like. It's a licence not a puppy. Wellington holds a licence to promote and aid professional football in New Zealand. If the Welnix consortium don't give a shit about NZ football then they are exposed, and clearly exposed at that, as money grubbing individuals looking to cynically line their pockets as they throw away NZ's football future and the livelihoods of a couple dozen current players and a generation of pro's in waiting. If they were to ask to transfer the licence to another NZ based franchise that was based in Auckland or even Whakatane for all I care and dollars didn't enter into it then there would be sympathy. The New Zealand Football Federation should be embarrassed by this and pursued heavily by any true lover of the sport in that country. They clearly have done nothing at all to preserve and promote their own game. They should be openly and strongly asking the FFA to block this and helping the Welnix or whoever comes behind them. This horrible little play by these mongrels deserves to die and anybody that attempts to pick up that particular licence, in this way, at this time, deserves to have their bid trashed.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe price is set at 15 million. If the FFA know what they are doing they will welcome bids from the expansion groups and facilitate the sale before the end of the financial year. It doesn't have to interfere with expansion and will see one of the more cash rich bids get a head start. There will be very few of the expansion bidders in a position to front up 15 million so it will set the landscape for expansion rather than waiting for an independent a-league and the Nix selling their license to whomever they choose. The only way for the FFA to actually protect the integrity of expansion process is to make this sale part of it. I can't see how you can allow it go ahead before the expansion teams are announced. I really can't. It would simply turn the expansion concept into a farce wouldn't it? I figure the incoming group would still have to have all the boxes ticked for an expansion team anyway. Otherwise expansion just fails right there. If it is 5 mil for a successful expansion bid on top of a compliant application then it's clear what you have to do to get in. Just have a good setup and some money in the bank. If Wellington were selling to another group in Wellington then there is no impact on the expansion process, it would go ahead just like Adelaide did. (Even if it was an Auckland team it would probably affect the process and couldn't proceed yet). To transfer the licence to a fully Australian setup right now, whether for free or a billion dollars, just says to the bidders "don't bother going through the process, just pony up to CCM or Perth or whoever and you're in. Allowing it after the first expansion is announced is different. If Wellington weren't such a basket case it would be simple, but time isn't on the side of anybody. If Wellington aren't allowed to sell then they could just do a "Clive" and just disrespect the competition at bargain rates. This is where this whole system fails. There is no heir apparent ready to step up and seize their deserved chance. Without real, already established, Clubs ready and able to step into the gaps as they form, then we are thrown into a continuous realm of chaos. The A League was supposed to showcase the game, provide for full time players and bring money to the game. You could argue that is has done all that but it's stuck under a ceiling of it's own making and this is another episode that shows it up. There is clearly more money willing to come into the game now and the franchise system isn't attracting anywhere near what seems to be available. What works for 20-20 cricket isn't nearly as successful for football. There are better ways of funding the overwhelming mass of the game than being the banker. Money can be extracted from the Pro Leagues at a rate they can afford and actually become a growing income as the game grows too. I don't have a clear view on how we move from the strictures of the current day to a more open and dynamic future but this very situation is a clear as day example why it has to happen. FFA will be damned if they let it happen. They will damned if they don't let it happen. They will be damned if it does happen before formal expansion (rightly) and they will be damned if they let it happen after expansion (deservedly). I get it that there is nobody at FFA that was there when it was all started and I get it that it is not easy to change the direction of a ship sailing full speed at the rocks, but the anchors have already failed, the helm isn't responding and the crew have mutinied and are now fighting over the lifeboats. Time to start sharing the messages from the SS Deloitte because we could all use some good news, just it's now too late for the 3 cheers you were hoping for. (Oh and still tell the Franchisees to get fucked because they are a major part of the present problem despite their attractive cheersquads.) You've hit a few nails on the head here mate. This is a subversion of the expansion process and a subversion of our federation. As much as we may or may not like FFA, they are our federation. Wellington is not our federation, we don't answer to them, they don't call the shots on how our league is run or where the teams are. No club does. It is solely the responsibility of our federation. If this deal were allowed through it would set a dangerous precedent where any club on hard times could be picked off by a bidder and whisked off to a different market without our federation or any other club having a say in it. We would be playing musical chairs and go back to the NSL days where the competition literally consisted of Sydney, Melbourne ,Adelaide, and nothing else. The way Wellington is going about it is endangering our league and they need to be put in their place, and definitely not allowed to profit from what they are doing. If that means FFA lets them rot on the vine for 2 years before pulling their license then so be it. The saving grace is that if Wellington continues playing chicken with us they will likely trigger a variety of clauses that automatically forfeit their license anyway. What is certain is they won't be given a $15 million reward for bringing the league into disrepute. What horse shit!, Wellington have every right to sell there license to the highest bidder! Merging a team does not drag the league down or affect the other clubs its just business its not personal. Sorry, but that is horse shit! Welnix do not have any right at all to sell "their" licence to whoever they like. It's a licence not a puppy. Wellington holds a licence to promote and aid professional football in New Zealand. If the Welnix consortium don't give a shit about NZ football then they are exposed, and clearly exposed at that, as money grubbing individuals looking to cynically line their pockets as they throw away NZ's football future and the livelihoods of a couple dozen current players and a generation of pro's in waiting. If they were to ask to transfer the licence to another NZ based franchise that was based in Auckland or even Whakatane for all I care and dollars didn't enter into it then there would be sympathy. The New Zealand Football Federation should be embarrassed by this and pursued heavily by any true lover of the sport in that country. They clearly have done nothing at all to preserve and promote their own game. They should be openly and strongly asking the FFA to block this and helping the Welnix or whoever comes behind them. This horrible little play by these mongrels deserves to die and anybody that attempts to pick up that particular licence, in this way, at this time, deserves to have their bid trashed. I'm not particularly concerned if FFA don't get the 15 million, but I certainly don't want Welnix to get it. The value of the license is in being a 1/10 shareholder in a league with a media deal. They don't pull their weight there. Theor ratings are the lowest. They don't generate foxtel subscriptions for the company that actually pays for just that, and they certainly have no claim to the portion of the media deal that is from Socceroos rights. If it ended up being Welnix surrendering the license, then FFA selling it and taking the profit, I wouldn't be too upset if that money were then returned as a severance payment (say, ~2 million each year for 7 years) directly to the NZ federation as a good will gesture and to help them remodel the local league. I'd be for that. I'm not for rewarding a consortium that is kicking our league when we are down and trying to score a massive profit from doing so. For those that want Australians to be the bad guys in all this, let's just remind ourselves of what happened when the FFA rightfully asked Welnix to lift their game. Crowds dropped 25%. By far their largest crowd (3k more than their second largest crowd in the entire last 2 seasons) was this:  People who came once for one reason - to FU us. And by some coincidence, 2 years later, this is where we are.
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Timeline courtesy of https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/103949528/wellington-phoenix-silence-speaks-volumes-as-doubt-festers-over-clubs-futureHOW THE CURRENT PHOENIX SAGA HAS UNFOLDED March 28: Football Federation Australia calls for expressions of interest from parties wishing to join the A-League, with two teams set to be added ahead of the 2019-20 season. April 3: A-League boss Greg O'Rourke tells AAP the Phoenix are short of the metrics they need to hit in order to trigger a three-year licence extension in 2020: April 14: The Phoenix finish the 2017-18 A-League season with a 2-1 win over Melbourne City in Auckland. April 22: The Sunday Herald Sun reports the Phoenix are "exploring the option of selling at least a partial stake to one of the expansion hopefuls," claiming they've had talks with two expansion bids in recent days, one of which was believed to be South West Sydney. April 24: The Phoenix issue a statement with the key line: "We will not be making any decision on the future of this club until the future of the A-League is clearer which may not be for some time". April 24: Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison grants an interview to Radio Sport. He confirms the Phoenix have talked to parties interested in joining the A-League. He is asked: "Are you interested in selling the A-League licence you hold?" and says: "No, is the simple answer. There's not a lot of sense in us selling the licence". The possibility of a merger of some description is left on the table. April 25: A report in the Sydney Morning Herald offers one bit of new information: South Melbourne officials have reached out to the Phoenix again that week. April 25: The Herald Sun follows up its original report, saying the Phoenix "have failed to dispel speculation that their A-League licence is up for sale". The fresh report focuses on ongoing negotiations between the Phoenix and the South West Sydney bid. April 27: The World Game reports that the Brisbane Strikers, an existing club bidding to join the A-League, are interested in buying the Phoenix's licence. Chairman Bruce Atterton-Evans claims "talks are ongoing," between the Strikers and the Phoenix. The report also includes fresh quotes from South Melbourne bid chairman Bill Papastergiadis, who claims Morrison and Dome met them in Melbourne in 2017 offering to sell 25 per cent of the club for $1.6 million. April 27: The Phoenix issue a statement, dismissing the Strikers' claim as "pure fairytale stuff". They also responds to the South Melbourne claims: "The only meeting the Phoenix had in Melbourne, with South Melbourne, took place in June 2016 and that was in response to an approach from South Melbourne to the Wellington Phoenix. There has been no contact since August 2016 , apart from an email from South Melbourne three days ago which the Phoenix have not replied to". May 7: Dome tells Stuff the reports out of Australia were part of an FFA strategy to deflect attention from their own issues. May 9: Midfielder Matt Ridenton leaves the Phoenix after five years, signing with the Newcastle Jets. The next day he tells Stuff the uncertainty surrounding the club was a factor in his departure. May 11: The Herald Sun reports that a memorandum of understanding has been agreed between the Phoenix and South West Sydney, with a 50 per cent stake in the club to be sold immediately. "A large portion" of home games would be played in Sydney, and the existing contracts of 10 Phoenix players would be honoured. May 11: FFA chief executive David Gallop confirms he met with Morrison and Marra that day, and issues a statement to AAP. May 11: The Phoenix tweet that they "once again will refuse to speculate on speculation". May 12: The Phoenix issue a statement. It contains no mention of South West Sydney, but says "there are currently potential options that are worth exploring," while repeating Morrison's claim that "the club is not looking to sell its licence". May 15: The Sydney Morning Herald reports that the FFA is set to reject a $16.3m sale of the Phoenix to the South-West Sydney bid, in order to "[maintain] the integrity of its current expansion process".
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