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+xIn Dec 2016 when the Expansion plans were first discussed, these were the odds recap
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South Melbourne looking like hella good money now. -PB
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+xSouthern not sure which way to turn to avoid the backstabbers recap 2
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I am going to call it. There will be no expansion for next season. If you have two more teams you will need to have a 33 round season (3 rounds per team) which Fox will not entertain. We surely will not have a season where we have 22 rounds (2 rounds per team). The only alternative is to have an A-league which is expanded to four new A-league clubs for next season which by all accounts is a monumental task. I have never seen the FFA make a big bold statement and having four new teams next year would be a huge bold statement. Does anyone really see the FFA doing that because I can't see it happening. That leaves the only other decision and that is for the FFA to announce that no teams will be expanded for this up coming season but four new teams to be announced the following season. Its the only thing that makes sense.
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bettega
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+xI am going to call it. There will be no expansion for next season. If you have two more teams you will need to have a 33 round season (3 rounds per team) which Fox will not entertain. We surely will not have a season where we have 22 rounds (2 rounds per team). The only alternative is to have an A-league which is expanded to four new A-league clubs for next season which by all accounts is a monumental task. I have never seen the FFA make a big bold statement and having four new teams next year would be a huge bold statement. Does anyone really see the FFA doing that because I can't see it happening. That leaves the only other decision and that is for the FFA to announce that no teams will be expanded for this up coming season but four new teams to be announced the following season. Its the only thing that makes sense. pretty clear now that it will be delayed not sure how many teams are going to come in, complication is the Nix, probably not in a position to bring 5 teams in
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My question to anyone in the know about South Melbourne, I hear this "they can only get 4k to a game" argument doing the rounds. a) are there more nailed on SM fans out there that would get out to the games when in the a-league? or even simply identify themselves as fans? Is there perhaps a current club membership number to go off? b) would anyone not currently supporting jump on bored? Or is the ingrained identity of the club (regardless of ethnicity) a turn off for any new potential fans. Because like i said, regardless of any ties to ethnicity, i think new fans would find it hard to match their identities with an "old" club. Whereas something new can be a fresh start for everyone to own.
I ask because I like the South Melbourne idea, even if its potential is capped as a boutique club. But i fear not only about filling a 12k stadium but also their overall following and viewership potential.
If they actually have the following i would back them.
Next season get South Melbourne (pending the above) and Canberra. Both have some kind of foundation to go off, have a stadium and solid backing.
THEN talk to west melbourne and SWS. give them an incentive based license, where they must meet certain ongoing criteria and Give them the extra year or 2 to prep for entry into the league. That way WM can sort there own stadium. SWS can fix up cambeltown stadium.
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southmelb
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4-5k is the absolute maximum we can get in the npl and we do it once a year maybe twice if we are lucky. Our support would comfortably double in the top flight, dormant fan base is enormous, granted that doesn’t do much for our npl fortunes. I don’t think getting the numbers will be an issue.
In any case the delay indicates the teams the ffa want aren’t ready and they want to give them another year, I don’t think we are in the running, shame cos we would be ready to start signing players tomorrow if they gave us the go ahead for October. In fact our npl crowds would triple with the 10 month anticipation with returning to the top flight.
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someguyjc
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+x+xI am going to call it. There will be no expansion for next season. If you have two more teams you will need to have a 33 round season (3 rounds per team) which Fox will not entertain. We surely will not have a season where we have 22 rounds (2 rounds per team). The only alternative is to have an A-league which is expanded to four new A-league clubs for next season which by all accounts is a monumental task. I have never seen the FFA make a big bold statement and having four new teams next year would be a huge bold statement. Does anyone really see the FFA doing that because I can't see it happening. That leaves the only other decision and that is for the FFA to announce that no teams will be expanded for this up coming season but four new teams to be announced the following season. Its the only thing that makes sense. pretty clear now that it will be delayed not sure how many teams are going to come in, complication is the Nix, probably not in a position to bring 5 teams in The Nix aren't a complication because they have a licence for next season. Beyond that is unclear, but they will definitely be there next season.
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+x+x+xI am going to call it. There will be no expansion for next season. If you have two more teams you will need to have a 33 round season (3 rounds per team) which Fox will not entertain. We surely will not have a season where we have 22 rounds (2 rounds per team). The only alternative is to have an A-league which is expanded to four new A-league clubs for next season which by all accounts is a monumental task. I have never seen the FFA make a big bold statement and having four new teams next year would be a huge bold statement. Does anyone really see the FFA doing that because I can't see it happening. That leaves the only other decision and that is for the FFA to announce that no teams will be expanded for this up coming season but four new teams to be announced the following season. Its the only thing that makes sense. pretty clear now that it will be delayed not sure how many teams are going to come in, complication is the Nix, probably not in a position to bring 5 teams in The Nix aren't a complication because they have a licence for next season. Beyond that is unclear, but they will definitely be there next season. and once the NLWG reports in March (and most likely sets an Independent League framework) those Nix Metrics everyone's referencing, will be shit-canned
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someguyjc
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+x+x+x+xI am going to call it. There will be no expansion for next season. If you have two more teams you will need to have a 33 round season (3 rounds per team) which Fox will not entertain. We surely will not have a season where we have 22 rounds (2 rounds per team). The only alternative is to have an A-league which is expanded to four new A-league clubs for next season which by all accounts is a monumental task. I have never seen the FFA make a big bold statement and having four new teams next year would be a huge bold statement. Does anyone really see the FFA doing that because I can't see it happening. That leaves the only other decision and that is for the FFA to announce that no teams will be expanded for this up coming season but four new teams to be announced the following season. Its the only thing that makes sense. pretty clear now that it will be delayed not sure how many teams are going to come in, complication is the Nix, probably not in a position to bring 5 teams in The Nix aren't a complication because they have a licence for next season. Beyond that is unclear, but they will definitely be there next season. and once the NLWG reports in March (and most likely sets an Independent League framework) those Nix Metrics everyone's referencing, will be shit-canned Exactly, once the league is independent, the Nix would be treated just like any other club. Metrics benchmarks would be no longer a thing. Also, If the operating model follows the EPL format, the Nix would also be a part owner of the the league. The only way they will leave is if they sell the licence, which is a possibility. The expansion process has set a precedent for a licence value being $15-25, which is higher than what had been floated around in the past.
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+xMy question to anyone in the know about South Melbourne, I hear this "they can only get 4k to a game" argument doing the rounds. a) are there more nailed on SM fans out there that would get out to the games when in the a-league? or even simply identify themselves as fans? Is there perhaps a current club membership number to go off? b) would anyone not currently supporting jump on bored? Or is the ingrained identity of the club (regardless of ethnicity) a turn off for any new potential fans. Because like i said, regardless of any ties to ethnicity, i think new fans would find it hard to match their identities with an "old" club. Whereas something new can be a fresh start for everyone to own. I ask because I like the South Melbourne idea, even if its potential is capped as a boutique club. But i fear not only about filling a 12k stadium but also their overall following and viewership potential. If they actually have the following i would back them. Next season get South Melbourne (pending the above) and Canberra. Both have some kind of foundation to go off, have a stadium and solid backing. THEN talk to west melbourne and SWS. give them an incentive based license, where they must meet certain ongoing criteria and Give them the extra year or 2 to prep for entry into the league. That way WM can sort there own stadium. SWS can fix up cambeltown stadium. The A-league is just a higher platform for teams to operate under. For that reason alone you are immediately going to get more than 4K people to games. Furthermore the beauty of the SM bid is that they don't need 4K to break even on their operations. All they need is 1500 people to show up. In other words they only need to rely on away fans in order to sustain the club. That alone is a massive argument for their admission. If you want to just rely on the ethnic argument, I could just as well argue that Melbourne is home to the largest Greek community outside of Greece and numbers around 250-300K. Then you can also rely on the huge numbers of players and families that have a connection to the club through their sons and daughters playing at the club. They have contributed enormously to Australia and the national team over the years. Even if you discount this you still have other teams who are trying to enter the A-league who need to surpass those same numbers. Will those other teams do any better. I have my doubts.
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+x4-5k is the absolute maximum we can get in the npl and we do it once a year maybe twice if we are lucky. Our support would comfortably double in the top flight, dormant fan base is enormous, granted that doesn’t do much for our npl fortunes. I don’t think getting the numbers will be an issue.
Especially if they get a couple of big name marquees and a decent coach. Sth has been waiting for so long, I reckon they know they have to go big for the debut season, and they would. Some of the other bids I'm not so sure.
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+x4-5k is the absolute maximum we can get in the npl and we do it once a year maybe twice if we are lucky. Our support would comfortably double in the top flight, dormant fan base is enormous, granted that doesn’t do much for our npl fortunes. I don’t think getting the numbers will be an issue. In any case the delay indicates the teams the ffa want aren’t ready and they want to give them another year, I don’t think we are in the running, shame cos we would be ready to start signing players tomorrow if they gave us the go ahead for October. In fact our npl crowds would triple with the 10 month anticipation with returning to the top flight. Pretty clear that if you can get 4k in the NPL you are going to break 8k on more than a few occasions during the season - and that's very good for an 11th or 12th team
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That 4K if true is rare and on a normal round more like a few hundred. So many Hellas supporters have deserted the club, some gone to Victory. SM Hellas will rely on away fans. Not their doing or even their effort but would be like any other new club within Melbourne. If 1500 is break even where’s the incentive by their Greek board and committee to search for broad base support beyond the Greek community? Why on earth would the FFA select an entity that has never demonstrated it has broad appeal or ability to grow the game? Just because it has a ground (an oval at that) is short sightedness.
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+xWhy on earth would the FFA select an entity that has never demonstrated it has broad appeal or ability to grow the game? Looks like Phoenix is out!
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+xThat 4K if true is rare and on a normal round more like a few hundred. So many Hellas supporters have deserted the club, some gone to Victory. SM Hellas will rely on away fans. Not their doing or even their effort but would be like any other new club within Melbourne. If 1500 is break even where’s the incentive by their Greek board and committee to search for broad base support beyond the Greek community? Why on earth would the FFA select an entity that has never demonstrated it has broad appeal or ability to grow the game? Just because it has a ground (an oval at that) is short sightedness. 1500 is basically proof of the clubs viablity in that environment. We would average 8-10k outside derbies...are you going to be counting whose what nationality in the crowd? Our juniors alone are represented by every ethnicity you can find..if those kids only bring 1 of thsir parents to games we are already miles ahead of the pack.
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SMFC is now playing in a suburban competition where much of its support base is actually playing or volunteering.
If the Senior NPL wa played concurrently with the A League there would be a significant rise in attendances.
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Facts are SM Hellas has overwhelmingly attracted support from one ethic community and seems unable to redirect itself to be more inclusive. Are SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia games allowed to be attended by the public yet?
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+xFacts are SM Hellas has overwhelmingly attracted support from one ethic community and seems unable to redirect it’s to be more inclusive.Are SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia games allowed to be attended by the public yet? Our inclusion is needed more than ever! Look at the passion paulc posts with each day about South, even if it is Anti South, if we can get passion out of 1 dick like this, imagine the passion from the south lovers on game days! Ill buy you some beers on game day paulc
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paulc
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Don’t get confused. No pashon for Hellas just interested in expansion.
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+xDon’t get confused. No pashon for Hellas just interested in expansion. Stop denying yourself Paulc, and give in!
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+xFacts are SM Hellas has overwhelmingly attracted support from one ethic community and seems unable to redirect itself to be more inclusive. Are SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia games allowed to be attended by the public yet? Yeh, but so what, 3rd biggest Greek speaking city in the world.
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So what? How well is the banning of the public attending games look to investors, advertisers and TV? SM Hellas way to expand the game lol.
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+xDon’t get confused. No pashon for Hellas just interested in expansion.
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+xReid should be talking up the bid, not killing it off. She is no friend of the Canberra bid.
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+x+xReid should be talking up the bid, not killing it off. She is no friend of the Canberra bid. This makes me nervous...If it were anyone else, I'd be shocked if they didn't vote yes to the football community that they've been serving for years....
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+x+x+xReid should be talking up the bid, not killing it off. She is no friend of the Canberra bid. This makes me nervous...If it were anyone else, I'd be shocked if they didn't vote yes to the football community that they've been serving for years.... what do you think her tweet means?
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+x+x+x+xReid should be talking up the bid, not killing it off. She is no friend of the Canberra bid. This makes me nervous...If it were anyone else, I'd be shocked if they didn't vote yes to the football community that they've been serving for years.... what do you think her tweet means? This+
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South Melbourne getting crowds of 1k or 10k won't matter, as long as they can sustain themselves then what difference does it make. Lakeside has seats for only 7k or there abouts, so if they can get at least around that number then they will be smashing it. We need to stop comparing our attendance numbers to the other codes.
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