|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
Anyway... I think we should shift the page back something 'lighter'...
So who believes in God???...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... Dman the medical evidence is quite clear. As for Omicron being milder that is generally true, but the evidence isn't strong. The evidence is that vax makes a bjg difference and it is also likely that the other strains are lying dormant or new strains might happen. Why people with no medical experise and knowledge question highly trained and knowledgeable experts is beyond me. In my case I've done science at uni, I know people who have studied medicine and I asm a walking pin cushion having had every jab known to mankind repeatly for more than 40 years. I think that the experts know what they are talking about. So the evidence is clear but isn't strong???... I haven't read the rest yet...
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+xAnyway... I think we should shift the page back something 'lighter'... So who believes in God???... I know Jesus and Budda are on the fence.... To quote Budda - Only a compassionate man or a dogs fan can truely be happy.
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... Dman the medical evidence is quite clear. As for Omicron being milder that is generally true, but the evidence isn't strong. The evidence is that vax makes a bjg difference and it is also likely that the other strains are lying dormant or new strains might happen. Why people with no medical experise and knowledge question highly trained and knowledgeable experts is beyond me. In my case I've done science at uni, I know people who have studied medicine and I asm a walking pin cushion having had every jab known to mankind repeatly for more than 40 years. I think that the experts know what they are talking about. So the evidence is clear but isn't strong???... I haven't read the rest yet... I'll give you a clue they are separate statements... I would rather visit the dentist than debate vax with you... it is mind numbing.
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... Dman the medical evidence is quite clear. As for Omicron being milder that is generally true, but the evidence isn't strong. The evidence is that vax makes a bjg difference and it is also likely that the other strains are lying dormant or new strains might happen. Why people with no medical experise and knowledge question highly trained and knowledgeable experts is beyond me. In my case I've done science at uni, I know people who have studied medicine and I am a walking pin cushion having had every jab known to mankind repeatly for more than 40 years. I think that the experts know what they are talking about. Read the rest... Get it .. Don't question anything... Especially if it supports the actions you have chosen... Good thing experts have never been wrong about anything... And above all... Science isn't about asking questions...
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... Dman the medical evidence is quite clear. As for Omicron being milder that is generally true, but the evidence isn't strong. The evidence is that vax makes a bjg difference and it is also likely that the other strains are lying dormant or new strains might happen. Why people with no medical experise and knowledge question highly trained and knowledgeable experts is beyond me. In my case I've done science at uni, I know people who have studied medicine and I asm a walking pin cushion having had every jab known to mankind repeatly for more than 40 years. I think that the experts know what they are talking about. So the evidence is clear but isn't strong???... I haven't read the rest yet... I'll give you a clue they are separate statements... I would rather visit the dentist than debate vax with you... it is mind numbing. You replied to my post!?!?!...
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+xAnyway... I think we should shift the page back something 'lighter'... So who believes in God???... I know Jesus and Budda are on the fence.... To quote Budda - Only a compassionate man or a dogs fan can truely be happy. I like where this is going!!!...
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... Dman the medical evidence is quite clear. As for Omicron being milder that is generally true, but the evidence isn't strong. The evidence is that vax makes a bjg difference and it is also likely that the other strains are lying dormant or new strains might happen. Why people with no medical experise and knowledge question highly trained and knowledgeable experts is beyond me. In my case I've done science at uni, I know people who have studied medicine and I asm a walking pin cushion having had every jab known to mankind repeatly for more than 40 years. I think that the experts know what they are talking about. So the evidence is clear but isn't strong???... I haven't read the rest yet... I'll give you a clue they are separate statements... I would rather visit the dentist than debate vax with you... it is mind numbing. You replied to my post!?!?!... I am a glutton for punishment.... but now I would like to talk about whether ant hills are actually places where ants worship their god.
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+xAnyway... I think we should shift the page back something 'lighter'... So who believes in God???... I know Jesus and Budda are on the fence.... To quote Budda - Only a compassionate man or a dogs fan can truely be happy. I like where this is going!!!... Parra fans are going to hell, and this life is a trail run. Even if there is no god, they will go to hell anyway.... unlucky but fair.
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... Dman the medical evidence is quite clear. As for Omicron being milder that is generally true, but the evidence isn't strong. The evidence is that vax makes a bjg difference and it is also likely that the other strains are lying dormant or new strains might happen. Why people with no medical experise and knowledge question highly trained and knowledgeable experts is beyond me. In my case I've done science at uni, I know people who have studied medicine and I am a walking pin cushion having had every jab known to mankind repeatly for more than 40 years. I think that the experts know what they are talking about. Read the rest... Get it .. Don't question anything... Especially if it supports the actions you have chosen... Good thing experts have never been wrong about anything... And above all... Science isn't about asking questions... Do you think cockroaches are religious?
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+xAnyway... I think we should shift the page back something 'lighter'... So who believes in God???... I know Jesus and Budda are on the fence.... To quote Budda - Only a compassionate man or a dogs fan can truely be happy. I like where this is going!!!... Parra fans are going to hell, and this life is a trail run. Even if there is no god, they will go to hell anyway.... unlucky but fair. My sorta God is the vengeful version!!!...
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... Dman the medical evidence is quite clear. As for Omicron being milder that is generally true, but the evidence isn't strong. The evidence is that vax makes a bjg difference and it is also likely that the other strains are lying dormant or new strains might happen. Why people with no medical experise and knowledge question highly trained and knowledgeable experts is beyond me. In my case I've done science at uni, I know people who have studied medicine and I am a walking pin cushion having had every jab known to mankind repeatly for more than 40 years. I think that the experts know what they are talking about. Read the rest... Get it .. Don't question anything... Especially if it supports the actions you have chosen... Good thing experts have never been wrong about anything... And above all... Science isn't about asking questions... Do you think cockroaches are religious? I reckon Parliament is the best place to start our investigation... Early indicators are its a yes...
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
Hypothetical...
Aliens arrive and send a worldwide message... Everyone gets a free million dollar home, money for life, live to 120, never get slightest illness, can access the web by blinking slowly three times and closing your eyes... But you gotta get a alien microhip implanted in your brain so they can study the species... And... It's all in, or none in...
How long do you think it would take millenials, gen Z, and nerds to kill the people resisting alien charm???...
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+xHypothetical... Aliens arrive and send a worldwide message... Everyone gets a free million dollar home, money for life, live to 120, never get slightest illness, can access the web by blinking slowly three times and closing your eyes... But you gotta get a alien microhip implanted in your brain so they can study the species... And... It's all in, or none in... How long do you think it would take millenials, gen Z, and nerds to kill the people resisting alien charm???... Ooh ooh and there's 7 days to make a choice...
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+xHypothetical... Aliens arrive and send a worldwide message... Everyone gets a free million dollar home, money for life, live to 120, never get slightest illness, can access the web by blinking slowly three times and closing your eyes... But you gotta get a alien microhip implanted in your brain so they can study the species... And... It's all in, or none in... How long do you think it would take millenials, gen Z, and nerds to kill the people resisting alien charm???... Elon is working on the chip and I volunteered you as an early .... I log on to the web and see how that goes 😁
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+xHypothetical... Aliens arrive and send a worldwide message... Everyone gets a free million dollar home, money for life, live to 120, never get slightest illness, can access the web by blinking slowly three times and closing your eyes... But you gotta get a alien microhip implanted in your brain so they can study the species... And... It's all in, or none in... How long do you think it would take millenials, gen Z, and nerds to kill the people resisting alien charm???... Elon is working on the chip and I volunteered you as an early .... I log on to the web and see how that goes 😁 Watch it in the metaverse, you can be the metaverse... U r da mtvrs....
|
|
|
|
|
Mooloolabadog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... I realise herd immunity is a different level for different diseases but with those levels of vaccination it makes you wonder what the level is for COVID.
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... I realise herd immunity is a different level for different diseases but with those levels of vaccination it makes you wonder what the level is for COVID. It begs plenty of questions... About the virus, it's variants, their origin, traditional herd immunity, vaxx herd immunity, dare I say the efficacy of the vaxx, diagnostic procedures, 'Health' and supplier data, and Govt spending on training, facilities, equipment and media... But it's 2021 - The Sequel... You're not allowed to ask questions about science or medicine, no decent human has ever acted selfishly or made a faux pas, and Pollies care about your grandma...
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... I realise herd immunity is a different level for different diseases but with those levels of vaccination it makes you wonder what the level is for COVID. The virus is mutating, soon we will have covered the most likely mutations, and it will trend towards being similar to the flu. Perhaps slightly more potent than the flu, but similar. Natural selection will be a genetic competition between humans evolving to have better immunity and the virus mutating to try to beat it. That kind of contest has long been expected, we have bugs resistant to some antibiotics. What humans have is workdwide knowledge and reseach, science and technology including RNA printers. Human technological evolution is way faster than any biological evolution, we are on the technological evolution treadmill and our only option is to keep running. For covid itself, it will not last forevet, but it has hilighted all sorts of issues and problems. A big problem being divided sovieties, a lack of civil debate, trust and evidence based reasoning.
|
|
|
|
|
hounddog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 9.9K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... I realise herd immunity is a different level for different diseases but with those levels of vaccination it makes you wonder what the level is for COVID. It begs plenty of questions... About the virus, it's variants, their origin, traditional herd immunity, vaxx herd immunity, dare I say the efficacy of the vaxx, diagnostic procedures, 'Health' and supplier data, and Govt spending on training, facilities, equipment and media... But it's 2021 - The Sequel... You're not allowed to ask questions about science or medicine, no decent human has ever acted selfishly or made a faux pas, and Pollies care about your grandma... My grandma is dead, but I'm proud to say she coul drink anyone in parliment under the table and she was very lucky at cards, nothing else matters.
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... I realise herd immunity is a different level for different diseases but with those levels of vaccination it makes you wonder what the level is for COVID. It begs plenty of questions... About the virus, it's variants, their origin, traditional herd immunity, vaxx herd immunity, dare I say the efficacy of the vaxx, diagnostic procedures, 'Health' and supplier data, and Govt spending on training, facilities, equipment and media... But it's 2021 - The Sequel... You're not allowed to ask questions about science or medicine, no decent human has ever acted selfishly or made a faux pas, and Pollies care about your grandma... My grandma is dead, but I'm proud to say she coul drink anyone in parliment under the table and she was very lucky at cards, nothing else matters. Grandma dman was also a tinnyarse at cards...
|
|
|
|
|
Marki
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... Good post. Well balanced and on the money.
|
|
|
|
|
Mooloolabadog
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... The vax is reducing hospital admissions and death rates. Even with high levels of vax, the system is barely coping. If we had this many active cases with no one vaxed, people would be dying faster than Parra fans can leave the stadium after a loss, and they have had plenty of practice. That wasn't a reply to my post, that was a statement... Could admission and death rates be because - the dominant strain is less deadly as opposed to the vaxx working???... Could it be other methods of care have advanced???... could it be that most people that were going to die from this virus have already passed or are still passing just at increased rates post lockdown???... Any answer other than 'maybe' is wrong... Once upon a time people would acknowledge the above would be a 'devil's advocate' type of questions... Now its a question only a filthy anti vax granny murderer would ask... I'm sure the therapeutic side has progressed as much as the preventative side. What impact that is having on the figures I have no idea.
|
|
|
|
|
Marki
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+x+x+x+xThe COVID vaccine is very commercialised with company names attached to the various vaccines with an obvious battle for financial success. The influenza vaccines are also manufactured by various companies but are not marketed on this basis. Would we be or have been better off if it were simply called "the COVID vaccine", just as the flu vaccine is just called "the flu vaccine". You make a fair point, I think the driver the astra name change is a likely example re the $$$... But, Better off in what way???... More people Vaxxed???... More shots per person???... Less scepticism???... Less coercion required???... Maybe less exaggerated claims and criticisms would lead to more acceptance. It feeds fuel to the anti vaxxers. People are anti other vaccines but we don't have the same outrage. 95% of NSW people of 18+ have had the vaxx... How much more compliance do you want or do you think will arrive at a positive outcome???... And what is that positive outcome???... No 'rona, some ' rona, no deaths (the average age of death for rona is 84 in Aus for done, 82 for everything else) mandates vaxxs for everything???... Agree plenty are anti this particular vaxx but accepting of others, and believe they have reasonable grounds... But I dont think it's a brand thing in most instances... Though.. one brand in particular has done some awful awful things over the years... And Anna and Co had a great crack at deriding their main competitor... Must also be acknowledged anti mandate is not anti vaxx despite the assertions of the psychopath in the NT and other States... At the same time saying not everyone who got the vaxx is pro vaxx... I think we'd all just get along if the anti vaxxers admitted the vaxx may provide some protection and pro vaxxers admitted they have no idea what the long term impacts are, and left people to decide what is injected into their body or not, you know, like obese people so with cake... I realise herd immunity is a different level for different diseases but with those levels of vaccination it makes you wonder what the level is for COVID. The virus is mutating, soon we will have covered the most likely mutations, and it will trend towards being similar to the flu. Perhaps slightly more potent than the flu, but similar. Natural selection will be a genetic competition between humans evolving to have better immunity and the virus mutating to try to beat it. That kind of contest has long been expected, we have bugs resistant to some antibiotics. What humans have is workdwide knowledge and reseach, science and technology including RNA printers. Human technological evolution is way faster than any biological evolution, we are on the technological evolution treadmill and our only option is to keep running. For covid itself, it will not last forevet, but it has hilighted all sorts of issues and problems. A big problem being divided sovieties, a lack of civil debate, trust and evidence based reasoning. It all comes back to when civilisation chooses to live with the virus. Till this point, we keep talking about living with the virus, but its all talk. Government wanted us to get vaxxed, and 95% of us did. Now, thats somehow insufficient, so they want to push boosters and child vaccines. Next they will target those filthy 0-5year olds who cry tears that are transmissable or have snotty noses or drool - once again, highly transmissible stuff. After that, they start vaccinating the dead. Heres an idea: LIVE with the fekking virus.
|
|
|
|
|
ODF
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.3K,
Visits: 0
|
hd, you say that you trust the advice of the highly trained and knowledgable experts and the professionals. While that in essence seems sound advice you also have to look at it another way. In my business employees aren't allowed to indiscriminately talk to the media regarding company affairs. The experts and professionals are also employees and as such are only allowed to release the information that their employer wants the public to know. So in reality how much of the real truth is being leaked to the public. Pfizer and Moderna and the rest aren't going to release their secret formula just like Coca Cola or KFC keep theirs. We know that the Sars Cov2 virus (like it's predecessors) did not attack humans in its natural form and was genetically interfered with to do so and it "escaped" in Wuhan. A genetically engineered virus requires a genetically engineered vaccine and here we are. The thing is, we don't know yet whether the cure is just as fatal as the disease, and that is information that is never going to be released.
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
$1000 fine for not reporting a positive RAT... Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!....
Guessing Hazzard, Chant and Co will be back on the dob in your family and neighbours wagon again...
Surely someone is working on a micro processor (or something) that activates when saliva touches it and sends results straight to big brother???...
How long until our toilets are part of a Insurance Company/Govt joint venture where they monitor your piss in the morning???... "Good morning dman, you drank 24 beers yesterday, your insurance policy is invalid for the next 12 hours"...
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
Loving how quickly the PV community has lurched to conspiracies in a bid to eject Novak...
Fake tests, fake results, fake doctors, fake paperwork, released on a technicality, fake leaked footage...
Remember comrades... Novak is the Devil... And Pfizer and Pollies care about Grandma...
|
|
|
|
|
dman2018
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 8.7K,
Visits: 0
|
For those attending Melbourne Park or watching Novak at home who are unsure how to act when he takes the court, please find our 'how to' video here... https://youtu.be/t4zYlOU7Fpk
|
|
|
|
|
Marki
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+xhd, you say that you trust the advice of the highly trained and knowledgable experts and the professionals. While that in essence seems sound advice you also have to look at it another way. In my business employees aren't allowed to indiscriminately talk to the media regarding company affairs. The experts and professionals are also employees and as such are only allowed to release the information that their employer wants the public to know. So in reality how much of the real truth is being leaked to the public. Pfizer and Moderna and the rest aren't going to release their secret formula just like Coca Cola or KFC keep theirs. We know that the Sars Cov2 virus (like it's predecessors) did not attack humans in its natural form and was genetically interfered with to do so and it "escaped" in Wuhan. A genetically engineered virus requires a genetically engineered vaccine and here we are. The thing is, we don't know yet whether the cure is just as fatal as the disease, and that is information that is never going to be released. I dont prescribe to the theory that the vaccine was developed due to the genetically developed virus being leaked. I simply think virology scientists at Wuhan were playing around with a genetically engineered virus and it accidentally (stupidly, irresponsibly) made its way out of the lab and into a medium source (bats or animals) which eventually got eaten and made its way into humans. The development of the vaccine was just the global scientists putting the brains together to try to come up with a solution. They did it in relatively quick time, but i agree that the potential long term consequences of these vaccines on humans is unknown. It wont be know for at least 3 or 4 generations (60-80years). One thing that is for sure, is that the vaccine DOES help the human body from fighting the infection and so it has to be weighed up against any future concerns. The runs are on the board.
|
|
|
|
|
Marki
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 6.7K,
Visits: 0
|
+x$1000 fine for not reporting a positive RAT... Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!.... Guessing Hazzard, Chant and Co will be back on the dob in your family and neighbours wagon again... Surely someone is working on a micro processor (or something) that activates when saliva touches it and sends results straight to big brother???... How long until our toilets are part of a Insurance Company/Govt joint venture where they monitor your piss in the morning???... "Good morning dman, you drank 24 beers yesterday, your insurance policy is invalid for the next 12 hours"... quiet night was it Dman?
|
|
|
|