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+x+x+xEngland is having similar problems to us. The level below test cricket is diluted by ODI and 20/20. Most of the money is in 20/20, as is the TV ratings and possible product endorsements. A lot of the skills focus is on 20/20, it improves many bowlers who need good control. But it also rewards funky bowlers who might not take many wickets at test level. For batsmen 20/20 teaches a lot of bad habits. The worst habit of all is giving up on shield/test cricket when the going gets tough and focusing more on 20/20. Players deserve to make a living. So how do we get shield cricket back to where it should be? We need more day/night games and we need games on TV, make day time entry free for school kids, promote the game. Make sure the shield final is televised. Shield players need to be paid more and scheduling needs to ensure that it doesn't clash with tests and 20/20. So the 2nd half shield of the shield comp should start now, test players and fringe test players encouraged to play. Big bash should take a break. I am not saying it is easy, it is a crowded schedule, But how many primary school aged kids know about shield and want to play India doesn't have this problem, they have a larger talent pool and more young kids dreaming of a test career. Test cricket and indeed 4 day 1st class cricket is gonna have to adapt, because no matter what anyone says or wants - 20/20 is here to stay and grow. For Test cricket it’s a matter of fitting into schedules so that cricketers can aspire to and play Test cricket AND 20/20. And the thing to do that is four day Tests. As I’ve said before you can add an hour a day and get 105 overs and so you only lose 30 overs. But to tell the truth, I don’t even think that matters that much if you ENSURE the bastards knock out 90 overs minimum per day - make them do the overtime and fine the shit out them to ensure it. Some of the best Tests we’ve seen are lower scoring ones, so I’d like to see a worldwide agreement that 20/20 pitches are prepared for the batsman, Test pitches are prepared for bowlers… on Day One. And the way it’ll help the schedule is you can have Tests Thurs-Sun and a 3 Test series is done in three weeks, four if you want to give a rest between 2nd and 3rd Test. Ashes series done in six at most. It gives room and certainty for scheduling. And to give Test Cricket something it deserves, every four years their should be a Test WC. Top six ranked nations at the time should meet in a host country (which effectively would mean Top Five + Host). The host has to have five venues that can host matches concurrently, everyone plays each other once and the top two via points meet in the final. Hell of a summer of cricket for the host nation, hell of a six week period of non-stop Tests for TV, hell of a thing for cricketers to aspire too. I’ve just secured the future of Test cricket. No arguments from me. Except it can get pretty boring real quick if it is very lopsided.... except Ashes which is fun and interesting no matter what form the teams have. But i remember afew years ago when WI toured and without their top players (who were in IPL or other 20-20) the series was garbage and embarassing. May need to introduce an echelon system with top 4 group playing and next 4 playing themselves. How do the lesser sides improve if they don't play the best teams???...
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+xHow do the lesser sides improve if they don't play the best teams???... By playing 3 Test series that are done in 18 days over three weekends. Might even get the big guns visiting them at home with the scheduling options it opens up.
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+x+xHow do the lesser sides improve if they don't play the best teams???... By playing 3 Test series that are done in 18 days over three weekends. Might even get the big guns visiting them at home with the scheduling options it opens up. This might be the formula, play every team in 3 test series home and away. Most summers we can squeeze in 2 visiting sides and most winters we can play against 2 teams away. So 4 opponents per year, 12-16 teams over 3-4 years. Even for the ashes maybe go with a 3 test series, at least 1 day/night test. Every 4 years we can have a winners world cup, 1 plays 4, 2 plays 3, winners play off in a final. Generally the top 4 sides are fairly everly matched, staging a world cup isn't that different to staging a test series. For a world cup a country can use the biggest grounds. For a world cup, in the event of a draw the highest ranked team wins, but make all tests 100 overs per day,. In fact make all southern hemisphere tests day / night. Also India/ Pakistan. I will not work for the UK, but the UK is the only climate where the middle of a hot summers day is the ideal time to play cricket. I agree that they need to be bold to save test cricket.
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5 of 6 test tours are an artifact of an era where touring teams used to travel by boat.
These days players fly, with 20/20 commitments, families etc a 3 test series is easier to accomodate 1 month of travel maximum, with a warm up game. Some players staying to play 20/20 or ODI.
With a 3 test series the touring team knows that they need to be ready.
Both teams can probably play their best bowling attack in all 3 games.
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A final thought on tests, a win is worth 3 points a draw 1, teams will play for the win.
In the world cup,the same applies.
If 1 draws with 4, and 2 beats 3.
2 is now the highest ranked team, to claim the title 1 needs to win.
So the world cup needs additional days set aside to make up time in the event of bad weather. Days 6 and 7 are provisional days. The whole tournament still only takes 2 weeks.
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+xA final thought on tests, a win is worth 3 points a draw 1, teams will play for the win. In the world cup,the same applies. If 1 draws with 4, and 2 beats 3. 2 is now the highest ranked team, to claim the title 1 needs to win. So the world cup needs additional days set aside to make up time in the event of bad weather. Days 6 and 7 are provisional days. The whole tournament still only takes 2 weeks. No points for a draw. A conservative approach is inbuilt in cricketers. Don't lose is the priority, not to win. A good recent example was the fourth test. The only concession I would make is split the points for a game substantially curtailed by rain, and I mean substantially.
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If I see one more 'clever' person try to teach C19 maths by using a figure of 95% of the NSW population are 'double vaxxed I will lose my fekking mind....
As at 14/1/22 it was less than 80% of the actual, not eligible NSW population...
Apparently C19 doesn't care about borders, tennis ranking, strict hotel quarantine practices, or grandma... But it respects arbitrary dates set for vaxx eligibility when trying to be clever with numbers/stats...
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+xIf I see one more 'clever' person try to teach C19 maths by using a figure of 95% of the NSW population are 'double vaxxed I will lose my fekking mind....
As at 14/1/22 it was less than 80% of the actual, not eligible NSW population...
Apparently C19 doesn't care about borders, tennis ranking, strict hotel quarantine practices, or grandma... But it respects arbitrary dates set for vaxx eligibility when trying to be clever with numbers/stats... Whos to say our registered population of 26M is accurate anyway? What about all the illegal immigrants or unregistered births!
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+xIf I see one more 'clever' person try to teach C19 maths by using a figure of 95% of the NSW population are 'double vaxxed I will lose my fekking mind....
As at 14/1/22 it was less than 80% of the actual, not eligible NSW population...
Apparently C19 doesn't care about borders, tennis ranking, strict hotel quarantine practices, or grandma... But it respects arbitrary dates set for vaxx eligibility when trying to be clever with numbers/stats... You will lose your mind, go with the flow,,,
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+x+xIf I see one more 'clever' person try to teach C19 maths by using a figure of 95% of the NSW population are 'double vaxxed I will lose my fekking mind....
As at 14/1/22 it was less than 80% of the actual, not eligible NSW population...
Apparently C19 doesn't care about borders, tennis ranking, strict hotel quarantine practices, or grandma... But it respects arbitrary dates set for vaxx eligibility when trying to be clever with numbers/stats... You will lose your mind, go with the flow,,, You can put almost any spin you like on statistics. The current approach of transferring the numbers from ICU and ventilators to deaths seems to be working fine. Over 200 in a week. Well done.
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Very excited at the likelihood of a few absolute speed machines in our backline turning half chances into trys this year...
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+xVery excited at the likelihood of a few absolute speed machines in our backline turning half chances into trys this year... And we might just have the forwards to set the platform. I hope we have the smarts in the key positions to take advantage.
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+x+x+xIf I see one more 'clever' person try to teach C19 maths by using a figure of 95% of the NSW population are 'double vaxxed I will lose my fekking mind....
As at 14/1/22 it was less than 80% of the actual, not eligible NSW population...
Apparently C19 doesn't care about borders, tennis ranking, strict hotel quarantine practices, or grandma... But it respects arbitrary dates set for vaxx eligibility when trying to be clever with numbers/stats... You will lose your mind, go with the flow,,, You can put almost any spin you like on statistics. The current approach of transferring the numbers from ICU and ventilators to deaths seems to be working fine. Over 200 in a week. Well done. What I meant was we are all losing our minds, Dman is getting a headstart. For the stats the load on hospitals and ICU are most important, mostly it isn't a total trainwreck, but I would rather talk about the footy.
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+xVery excited at the likelihood of a few absolute speed machines in our backline turning half chances into trys this year... Yes, we have got more strike. I'm hoping for an enjoyable season we are overdue for one.
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+x+xVery excited at the likelihood of a few absolute speed machines in our backline turning half chances into trys this year... Yes, we have got more strike. I'm hoping for an enjoyable season we are overdue for one. I hope for T Baz’s sake, the boys win at least the first 2 games & jag at least 1 win during that horror 4 week vs top 4 Id hate to see what would happen if we were 0-6
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+x+x+xVery excited at the likelihood of a few absolute speed machines in our backline turning half chances into trys this year... Yes, we have got more strike. I'm hoping for an enjoyable season we are overdue for one. I hope for T Baz’s sake, the boys win at least the first 2 games & jag at least 1 win during that horror 4 week vs top 4 Id hate to see what would happen if we were 0-6 Agreed. 3/6 would be a great start. If we win half our games this year Baz is sweet. Anything could happen though.
If Burton takes control, Avo improves as much as he did last year, Dufty is on more than off and JMK runs the ball at the right times. Our forward pack dominates and the backs hold the ball we should easily win half our games. But if all the above doesn’t happen we are bound for another spoon. If only half of it happens we end up bottom four.
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Canterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10.
For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively.
Lost the first 6 last year.
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+xCanterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10. For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively. Lost the first 6 last year. Yuck...
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+xCanterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10. For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively. Lost the first 6 last year. Hence my outrage when we chose to play fewer trials under Des... I couldn't believe that a guy so into every facet of the game, was so fekking blind on this horrible stat....
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Marki, unfortunately Des was never into the success of the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs as a club, just the success he could extract for his own self serving purposes. In the first 3 years with the club he nearly pulled off 2 premierships with the cattle available at his disposal, but was exposed as the one trick pony he really was on the last hurdle on each occasion. After that things went to shit, for both Des, and the Dogs.
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+xCanterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10. For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively. Lost the first 6 last year. It is possible to change that. To start tne season weill. 1. Most of the squad needs to be injury free and have a good off-season. 2. Team needs enough talent and composure. 3. The team needs to be fit enough to go the distance. 4. The team needs well developed skills and combinations. 5. The rest is team spirit and desire to win. The last 10 years have been ordinary in every aspect. For the start of this season the new players should improve 5. Team spirit, but we will fall down a bit on 4. combinations. 2. and 3. have been a big problem for the last 10 years. The biggest problem has been lack of composure, followed by dumb options and poor execution in attack and defence. I am hoping that 1 or 2 players in key positions can make a difference, specifically Burton to provide more leadership, composure and play selection. Vaughan to provide more drive in the middle, hence competitiveness. The Fox to provide the class execution turning half chances in to points. The negative is I wasn't happy with how Baz prepared the side for the start of the 21 season or his team selections for the first 10 rounds, things improved when Flanno was dropped. So to start the season well the coach and players have to do their job well.
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+xMarki, unfortunately Des was never into the success of the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs as a club, just the success he could extract for his own self serving purposes. In the first 3 years with the club he nearly pulled off 2 premierships with the cattle available at his disposal, but was exposed as the one trick pony he really was on the last hurdle on each occasion. After that things went to shit, for both Des, and the Dogs. What a load of shit. Honestly get over the conspiracy bullshit. Des wanted to win as much as any coach ever if not more. But in the end went to shit because he was thrown under the bus by Dib because the fans turned on him.
He is a great coach. Easily one of the best in the game. He never has the cattle. And gets the most out of the worst players. That’s why he has success. Because he gets the worst players in his squad playing to their potential.
He is a much better coach than we will have for a long time. Unless somebody pops out if the woodwork and saves our arses. Let’s just move past Des. Bringing him up just encourages the biased arguments and conspiracy theories that belong in a qanon forum.
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+x+xCanterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10. For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively. Lost the first 6 last year. It is possible to change that. To start tne season weill. 1. Most of the squad needs to be injury free and have a good off-season. 2. Team needs enough talent and composure. 3. The team needs to be fit enough to go the distance. 4. The team needs well developed skills and combinations. 5. The rest is team spirit and desire to win. The last 10 years have been ordinary in every aspect. For the start of this season the new players should improve 5. Team spirit, but we will fall down a bit on 4. combinations. 2. and 3. have been a big problem for the last 10 years. The biggest problem has been lack of composure, followed by dumb options and poor execution in attack and defence. I am hoping that 1 or 2 players in key positions can make a difference, specifically Burton to provide more leadership, composure and play selection. Vaughan to provide more drive in the middle, hence competitiveness. The Fox to provide the class execution turning half chances in to points. The negative is I wasn't happy with how Baz prepared the side for the start of the 21 season or his team selections for the first 10 rounds, things improved when Flanno was dropped. So to start the season well the coach and players have to do their job well. They all need to do their job very well. Fortunately they are all players that have the ability to do that.
The one thing that annoyed me from Baz was him saying that Burton should be running the ball and not guiding the team around. Fuck that. If he is the player we paid for he needs to lead the team around. He has done it very well from what I have seen.
Baz obviously knows the game much better than I do. But from an outsiders point of view he is out of his depth.
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+x+x+xCanterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10. For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively. Lost the first 6 last year. It is possible to change that. To start tne season weill. 1. Most of the squad needs to be injury free and have a good off-season. 2. Team needs enough talent and composure. 3. The team needs to be fit enough to go the distance. 4. The team needs well developed skills and combinations. 5. The rest is team spirit and desire to win. The last 10 years have been ordinary in every aspect. For the start of this season the new players should improve 5. Team spirit, but we will fall down a bit on 4. combinations. 2. and 3. have been a big problem for the last 10 years. The biggest problem has been lack of composure, followed by dumb options and poor execution in attack and defence. I am hoping that 1 or 2 players in key positions can make a difference, specifically Burton to provide more leadership, composure and play selection. Vaughan to provide more drive in the middle, hence competitiveness. The Fox to provide the class execution turning half chances in to points. The negative is I wasn't happy with how Baz prepared the side for the start of the 21 season or his team selections for the first 10 rounds, things improved when Flanno was dropped. So to start the season well the coach and players have to do their job well. They all need to do their job very well. Fortunately they are all players that have the ability to do that.
The one thing that annoyed me from Baz was him saying that Burton should be running the ball and not guiding the team around. Fuck that. If he is the player we paid for he needs to lead the team around. He has done it very well from what I have seen.
Baz obviously knows the game much better than I do. But from an outsiders point of view he is out of his depth. Burton is a dangerous ball runner in the opposition 20. So a mix of run, pass and kick in the Red zone. At our end, it is organize pass or a long yardage kick. Composure come from key players making good decisions. What I don't want is others over calling Burton. IMO the other player with some organisating ability and good instincts is Wakeham, but Wakeham needs to get a bit smarter and consistent, but mostly he needs to get involved. Averillo doesn't seem like an organiser more an instinct player who can create and take chances. Averillo and Burton is our most dangerous attacking combo, but in that mix Burton has to steer the team on yardage sets.
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+x+xMarki, unfortunately Des was never into the success of the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs as a club, just the success he could extract for his own self serving purposes. In the first 3 years with the club he nearly pulled off 2 premierships with the cattle available at his disposal, but was exposed as the one trick pony he really was on the last hurdle on each occasion. After that things went to shit, for both Des, and the Dogs. What a load of shit. Honestly get over the conspiracy bullshit. Des wanted to win as much as any coach ever if not more. But in the end went to shit because he was thrown under the bus by Dib because the fans turned on him.
He is a great coach. Easily one of the best in the game. He never has the cattle. And gets the most out of the worst players. That’s why he has success. Because he gets the worst players in his squad playing to their potential.
He is a much better coach than we will have for a long time. Unless somebody pops out if the woodwork and saves our arses. Let’s just move past Des. Bringing him up just encourages the biased arguments and conspiracy theories that belong in a qanon forum. Des is a good coach with a well assembled team. But he just wasn't the right coach for us. There was some crap about 3 premierships by 2020 or something like that. So straight away Des was under pressure for quick results and he tried to buy players rather than develop them. Juniors, scouting, player development, club culture were flushed down the toliet and some diabolical recruitment and retention decisions were made. Des was also a bit of a one trick pony and wanted to wrestle his way to a premiership by only allowing very slow play the balls. Our attack was one dimensional with Barba in 2012 being our only trick. All of the successful coaches work on the defence. and let smart attacking players make decisions. If we were after smart attacking set moves, the best ones were from the Kev Moore / Jim Dymock era. At Manly now, the attacking talent Des has is far greater than he ever had at the Dogs. He played a big role in squad assembly at the Dogs. Des is gone, 2008-2020 was mostly a wasted era, that wasn't ll Des's fault. I'm also not that critical of Kev Moore and it is hard to judge Pay, but some of the recruitment in the Pay era also wasn't great.
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Bottom line, the old saying goes - "Not everyone can win with talent, but no one can win without it"
We didn't have the talent 2008-2020.
2010, 2011, 2012 the team improved. The team treaded water 2013 and 2020. And maybe 2019.
We went backwards every other year so going backwards around 7 years out of 12, that is no formula for success.
And some of that was an impatient attempt to buy quick success that blew up in our faces.
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+xBottom line, the old saying goes - "Not everyone can win with talent, but no one can win without it" We didn't have the talent 2008-2020. 2010, 2011, 2012 the team improved. The team treaded water 2013 and 2020. And maybe 2019. We went backwards every other year so going backwards around 7 years out of 12, that is no formula for success. And some of that was an impatient attempt to buy quick success that blew up in our faces. I hope that's not the case now
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+x+xMarki, unfortunately Des was never into the success of the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs as a club, just the success he could extract for his own self serving purposes. In the first 3 years with the club he nearly pulled off 2 premierships with the cattle available at his disposal, but was exposed as the one trick pony he really was on the last hurdle on each occasion. After that things went to shit, for both Des, and the Dogs. What a load of shit. Honestly get over the conspiracy bullshit. Des wanted to win as much as any coach ever if not more. But in the end went to shit because he was thrown under the bus by Dib because the fans turned on him.
He is a great coach. Easily one of the best in the game. He never has the cattle. And gets the most out of the worst players. That’s why he has success. Because he gets the worst players in his squad playing to their potential.
He is a much better coach than we will have for a long time. Unless somebody pops out if the woodwork and saves our arses. Let’s just move past Des. Bringing him up just encourages the biased arguments and conspiracy theories that belong in a qanon forum. I dont think there was any conspiracy... I just think Des is not the great coach people think he is.... He had more than ample opportunity to develop our 2012 - 2014 teams into real powerhouses, but his recruitment, retention and debrlopment from within was diabolical. He is a coach to get you into the top 8. You then need someone to take the team to a preniership. People will point to 2008 and 2011 but that was simply a group of key players self coaching the team while Des merely made some forwards accountable and playing well. Without DCE and Turbo, Des is a myth just as he was with Barba
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+x+x+xCanterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10. For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively. Lost the first 6 last year. It is possible to change that. To start tne season weill. 1. Most of the squad needs to be injury free and have a good off-season. 2. Team needs enough talent and composure. 3. The team needs to be fit enough to go the distance. 4. The team needs well developed skills and combinations. 5. The rest is team spirit and desire to win. The last 10 years have been ordinary in every aspect. For the start of this season the new players should improve 5. Team spirit, but we will fall down a bit on 4. combinations. 2. and 3. have been a big problem for the last 10 years. The biggest problem has been lack of composure, followed by dumb options and poor execution in attack and defence. I am hoping that 1 or 2 players in key positions can make a difference, specifically Burton to provide more leadership, composure and play selection. Vaughan to provide more drive in the middle, hence competitiveness. The Fox to provide the class execution turning half chances in to points. The negative is I wasn't happy with how Baz prepared the side for the start of the 21 season or his team selections for the first 10 rounds, things improved when Flanno was dropped. So to start the season well the coach and players have to do their job well. They all need to do their job very well. Fortunately they are all players that have the ability to do that.
The one thing that annoyed me from Baz was him saying that Burton should be running the ball and not guiding the team around. Fuck that. If he is the player we paid for he needs to lead the team around. He has done it very well from what I have seen.
Baz obviously knows the game much better than I do. But from an outsiders point of view he is out of his depth. Agree with you on that. Averillo is the junior not Burton. Burton should be made captain and lead the team from the get-go.
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+x+x+x+xCanterbury don't have a good record of winning round 1's over the last decade. The last was 2016 & the previous was 2012, making it only 2/10. For 2nd & 3rd rounds, they managed 5/10 for both. Last wins 2016 & 2019 respectively. Lost the first 6 last year. It is possible to change that. To start tne season weill. 1. Most of the squad needs to be injury free and have a good off-season. 2. Team needs enough talent and composure. 3. The team needs to be fit enough to go the distance. 4. The team needs well developed skills and combinations. 5. The rest is team spirit and desire to win. The last 10 years have been ordinary in every aspect. For the start of this season the new players should improve 5. Team spirit, but we will fall down a bit on 4. combinations. 2. and 3. have been a big problem for the last 10 years. The biggest problem has been lack of composure, followed by dumb options and poor execution in attack and defence. I am hoping that 1 or 2 players in key positions can make a difference, specifically Burton to provide more leadership, composure and play selection. Vaughan to provide more drive in the middle, hence competitiveness. The Fox to provide the class execution turning half chances in to points. The negative is I wasn't happy with how Baz prepared the side for the start of the 21 season or his team selections for the first 10 rounds, things improved when Flanno was dropped. So to start the season well the coach and players have to do their job well. They all need to do their job very well. Fortunately they are all players that have the ability to do that.
The one thing that annoyed me from Baz was him saying that Burton should be running the ball and not guiding the team around. Fuck that. If he is the player we paid for he needs to lead the team around. He has done it very well from what I have seen.
Baz obviously knows the game much better than I do. But from an outsiders point of view he is out of his depth. Agree with you on that. Averillo is the junior not Burton. Burton should be made captain and lead the team from the get-go. I hope you're right about Burton. I note that Cleary opted for May as his ball player when both his halves were out.
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