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+x+x+x+xGood decision for all parties me thinks. Although it probably closes the door for Tbaz as an NRL coach. Time to move forward now. We have both some positional changes that are needed and a full culture overhaul. My preference would be that DTT coaches the first grade team if not Gus himself. If we have a coach lined up already and he isn't currently on duty elsewhere, get him in next week. The sooner the transition happens the better. Reserve grade are playing well. Their coach is ideal for the rest of the season, if we are transitioning young guys into NRL, and that gives time to get the right coach for 2023. I can't see Gus doing it, in particular after game press conferences and media in general. He might be involved - Furner, DTT and Gus might be the right team. I don't believe for one minute that this happened overnight. I'm sure the process of securing the next coach is well and truly underway. If not should be decided asap. Even if he is not able to be hands on this year he needs to be part of the decision making right now Gus said lots of applicants, but the short term solution will be in house. My hopes of a quick turn around rest mainly with players in reserve grade. Baz apparently said he saw no way out, so he doesn't think those reserve grade players are a solution. I am questioning my assumption. Gus and the coaching team are apparently having a meeting tomorrow to work out what we are doing for Wednesday. I know Gus might not always speak the truth, but I trust him more than the media. We might have a long term coach in place sometime in June. I don't know what to expect for the rest of the season, but I hope that the young guys get a run. ....I think you may be right...decision didn't happen overnight and Gus probably in talks with replacement coach a few weeks ago....about the same time Gus brought Flanno Junior back in the starting side 😉
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+xGood decision for all parties me thinks. Although it probably closes the door for Tbaz as an NRL coach. Time to move forward now. We have both some positional changes that are needed and a full culture overhaul. My preference would be that DTT coaches the first grade team if not Gus himself. If we have a coach lined up already and he isn't currently on duty elsewhere, get him in next week. The sooner the transition happens the better. Definitely will not be a quick fix solution but then they beat the Roosters when Gus apparently took over that week. I am hoping the players now respond and realise their a .s are on the line . Rumours Burton will ask for a release if Barrett went . I say aviradece your definitely not a Thurston or a Lamb at this stage mate .
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Mick O
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+x+x+x+x+xGood decision for all parties me thinks. Although it probably closes the door for Tbaz as an NRL coach. Time to move forward now. We have both some positional changes that are needed and a full culture overhaul. My preference would be that DTT coaches the first grade team if not Gus himself. If we have a coach lined up already and he isn't currently on duty elsewhere, get him in next week. The sooner the transition happens the better. Reserve grade are playing well. Their coach is ideal for the rest of the season, if we are transitioning young guys into NRL, and that gives time to get the right coach for 2023. I can't see Gus doing it, in particular after game press conferences and media in general. He might be involved - Furner, DTT and Gus might be the right team. I don't believe for one minute that this happened overnight. I'm sure the process of securing the next coach is well and truly underway. If not should be decided asap. Even if he is not able to be hands on this year he needs to be part of the decision making right now Gus said lots of applicants, but the short term solution will be in house. My hopes of a quick turn around rest mainly with players in reserve grade. Baz apparently said he saw no way out, so he doesn't think those reserve grade players are a solution. I am questioning my assumption. Gus and the coaching team are apparently having a meeting tomorrow to work out what we are doing for Wednesday. I know Gus might not always speak the truth, but I trust him more than the media. We might have a long term coach in place sometime in June. I don't know what to expect for the rest of the season, but I hope that the young guys get a run. ....I think you may be right...decision didn't happen overnight and Gus probably in talks with replacement coach a few weeks ago....about the same time Gus brought Flanno Junior back in the starting side 😉 Yer. It’s too obvious. Flanno jnr was the forty string in the trials. We lose three games and becomes halfback. It could have a lot to do with Flanno snr being offered the role for next year.
Flanno as coach should get the best out of our buying spree. It just makes sense. Ennis as assistant.
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I think JAC might just be the reason Burton will stay, and zoz is right, the players need to be aware that they are on notice and their @rses are on the line. I really do feel for Baz as I was in favour of him staying and seeing how the balance of the season panned out without Ferris degrading their fitness. But here we are 2 - 8 no coach and a four day turnaround. Let's see if we turn up against the Tigpies.
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hounddog
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+x+xGood decision for all parties me thinks. Although it probably closes the door for Tbaz as an NRL coach. Time to move forward now. We have both some positional changes that are needed and a full culture overhaul. My preference would be that DTT coaches the first grade team if not Gus himself. If we have a coach lined up already and he isn't currently on duty elsewhere, get him in next week. The sooner the transition happens the better. Definitely will not be a quick fix solution but then they beat the Roosters when Gus apparently took over that week. I am hoping the players now respond and realise their a .s are on the line . Rumours Burton will ask for a release if Barrett went . I say aviradece your definitely not a Thurston or a Lamb at this stage mate . That is media talk, we will need to pay a bit more to convince him to say for 24, he is here for 23. I hope Burton stays, but we have some other good options for 5/8.
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+xI think JAC might just be the reason Burton will stay, and zoz is right, the players need to be aware that they are on notice and their @rses are on the line. I really do feel for Baz as I was in favour of him staying and seeing how the balance of the season panned out without Ferris degrading their fitness. But here we are 2 - 8 no coach and a four day turnaround. Let's see if we turn up against the Tigpies. I was in favor of giving Baz 2 weeks with some of the young talent outside the top 30. But it seems like he was unlikely to pick them. The team might fire against the Tigers, after a coach is sacked all results are possible. The bad habits our players have are ingrained, but tell them to relax and just play footy, that might work brilliantly.
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ThanknGod we’ve sacked someone,. it’s been ages… Can Albo play hooker???…
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+xThanknGod we’ve sacked someone,. it’s been ages… Can Albo play hooker???… They are all hookers !
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+x+xI think JAC might just be the reason Burton will stay, and zoz is right, the players need to be aware that they are on notice and their @rses are on the line. I really do feel for Baz as I was in favour of him staying and seeing how the balance of the season panned out without Ferris degrading their fitness. But here we are 2 - 8 no coach and a four day turnaround. Let's see if we turn up against the Tigpies. I was in favor of giving Baz 2 weeks with some of the young talent outside the top 30. But it seems like he was unlikely to pick them. The team might fire against the Tigers, after a coach is sacked all results are possible. The bad habits our players have are ingrained, but tell them to relax and just play footy, that might work brilliantly. He's had a season and a half. If the hierarchy don't know now they'll never know. Performance over another two weeks wouldn't be a long term indicator in my opinion. I don't see even a modest improvement in player or team. As for staff, they're his appointments, so any failings are his. Nothing is personal, he just hasn't walked the walk.
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Mdog does that mean his assistants also go?
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It is interesting that there are 6 teams with a worse defensive record than us. We had a coach who's specialty was supposedly attack. We score less than 10 points a game. The coach's specialty is his failure. It should be noted that Penrith's attack hasn't gone backwards without him. Maybe he got a little more credit than was warranted.
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+x+xThanknGod we’ve sacked someone,. it’s been ages… Can Albo play hooker???… They are all hookers ! Sad but true… we pay them to fekk us…
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+xMdog does that mean his assistants also go? What areas are we unhappy with, fitness, stamina for example. If any of them are working well and the new coach wants them ok. The new coach must have unrestricted authority , otherwise you're just providing excuses in advance.
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+xIt is interesting that there are 6 teams with a worse defensive record than us. We had a coach who's specialty was supposedly attack. We score less than 10 points a game. The coach's specialty is his failure. It should be noted that Penrith's attack hasn't gone backwards without him. Maybe he got a little more credit than was warranted. Our squad still doesn't compare to the Penrith side, at best 4 of our players make a combined side, at worst none. Sometimes it doesn't work out, we had limited options in some positions and Baz probably picked the wrong ones. Fans seem to think a coach can turn a dud into a superstar. The reality is good coaches find a suitably limited role for a limited player, but rarely in a key position. Smart coaches quickly hide their mistakes in reserve grade, and everyone forgets them. I can't explain the 2nd half against the Knights that was a team out of energy and ideas.
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+x+xMdog does that mean his assistants also go? What areas are we unhappy with, fitness, stamina for example. If any of them are working well and the new coach wants them ok. The new coach must have unrestricted authority , otherwise you're just providing excuses in advance. When the new coach arrives they will bring their own team, but for now everyone stays.
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+x+xIt is interesting that there are 6 teams with a worse defensive record than us. We had a coach who's specialty was supposedly attack. We score less than 10 points a game. The coach's specialty is his failure. It should be noted that Penrith's attack hasn't gone backwards without him. Maybe he got a little more credit than was warranted. Our squad still doesn't compare to the Penrith side, at best 4 of our players make a combined side, at worst none. Sometimes it doesn't work out, we had limited options in some positions and Baz probably picked the wrong ones. Fans seem to think a coach can turn a dud into a superstar. The reality is good coaches find a suitably limited role for a limited player, but rarely in a key position. Smart coaches quickly hide their mistakes in reserve grade, and everyone forgets them. I can't explain the 2nd half against the Knights that was a team out of energy and ideas. Not comparing to Penrith. The point is we don't compare to anyone. We went from a difficult draw eary in the season to an easier one starting two weeks ago. We failed when it got easier, that was the two weeks we needed to demonstrate progress. We didn't so curtains for Baz, no more kicking the decision down the track.
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Mick O
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+x+x+xMdog does that mean his assistants also go? What areas are we unhappy with, fitness, stamina for example. If any of them are working well and the new coach wants them ok. The new coach must have unrestricted authority , otherwise you're just providing excuses in advance. When the new coach arrives they will bring their own team, but for now everyone stays. Flanno will bring a great team. Best coach available
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Gus is driving over the Spit Bridge now as we speak convincing an old name to come back to us. *sniffle*
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+xGus is driving over the Spit Bridge now as we speak convincing an old name to come back to us. *sniffle* Maybe the deal is to bring over the Trobjevic brothers with him or will they also be happy to see the end of him, :)
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Cool. Now we can make a play for Jackson Hastings!!!
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hounddog
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+x+x+xIt is interesting that there are 6 teams with a worse defensive record than us. We had a coach who's specialty was supposedly attack. We score less than 10 points a game. The coach's specialty is his failure. It should be noted that Penrith's attack hasn't gone backwards without him. Maybe he got a little more credit than was warranted. Our squad still doesn't compare to the Penrith side, at best 4 of our players make a combined side, at worst none. Sometimes it doesn't work out, we had limited options in some positions and Baz probably picked the wrong ones. Fans seem to think a coach can turn a dud into a superstar. The reality is good coaches find a suitably limited role for a limited player, but rarely in a key position. Smart coaches quickly hide their mistakes in reserve grade, and everyone forgets them. I can't explain the 2nd half against the Knights that was a team out of energy and ideas. Not comparing to Penrith. The point is we don't compare to anyone. We went from a difficult draw eary in the season to an easier one starting two weeks ago. We failed when it got easier, that was the two weeks we needed to demonstrate progress. We didn't so curtains for Baz, no more kicking the decision down the track. Well according to Gus Josh Jackson thinks Baz is the best coach he has had at the Dogs. He was the type of coach who would be very popular with players. I would not be surpised if the players find it hard to get up mentally for the next few weeks. We are playing out the season, with an interim coach, and could have started that 2 weeks later. We are getting an experienced coach, but the next 18 months will be a hard slog. It is probably Green or Flanagan, and could be either one. Gus is saying most of this in the media, except for speculating on the coach. Baz would have needed a miracle, and was going anyway. Results this season don't overly matter but losing can be a hard habit to shake.
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“To be clear Trent Barrett had a gun pointed at him and was told “you either walk or it’s going to get ugly”… Bonnets Hooper you are a shining example of a hack grub germoulist…
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+x“To be clear Trent Barrett had a gun pointed at him and was told “you either walk or it’s going to get ugly”… Bonnets Hooper you are a shining example of a hack grub germoulist…
I trust Gus's version of events, Baz didn't need many hints and decided he didn't need the stress. I bet we also find that demolition is easy, construction is hard.
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There is still enough talent at the club for a good coach to do something in 2023.
The cap should be 100% sorted by 2024 and never be a problem again. Most of the current NRL team may not be here in 2025.
Poor Jacko deserved to win something.
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+x“To be clear Trent Barrett had a gun pointed at him and was told “you either walk or it’s going to get ugly”… Bonnets Hooper you are a shining example of a hack grub germoulist…
I don’t understand why the club is using Villis cousins to sack coaches…
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+x+x“To be clear Trent Barrett had a gun pointed at him and was told “you either walk or it’s going to get ugly”… Bonnets Hooper you are a shining example of a hack grub germoulist…
I don’t understand why the club is using Villis cousins to sack coaches… Cut price rates, too much competition in crime in Bankstown..
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+x+x+x+xIt is interesting that there are 6 teams with a worse defensive record than us. We had a coach who's specialty was supposedly attack. We score less than 10 points a game. The coach's specialty is his failure. It should be noted that Penrith's attack hasn't gone backwards without him. Maybe he got a little more credit than was warranted. Our squad still doesn't compare to the Penrith side, at best 4 of our players make a combined side, at worst none. Sometimes it doesn't work out, we had limited options in some positions and Baz probably picked the wrong ones. Fans seem to think a coach can turn a dud into a superstar. The reality is good coaches find a suitably limited role for a limited player, but rarely in a key position. Smart coaches quickly hide their mistakes in reserve grade, and everyone forgets them. I can't explain the 2nd half against the Knights that was a team out of energy and ideas. Not comparing to Penrith. The point is we don't compare to anyone. We went from a difficult draw eary in the season to an easier one starting two weeks ago. We failed when it got easier, that was the two weeks we needed to demonstrate progress. We didn't so curtains for Baz, no more kicking the decision down the track. Well according to Gus Josh Jackson thinks Baz is the best coach he has had at the Dogs. He was the type of coach who would be very popular with players. I would not be surpised if the players find it hard to get up mentally for the next few weeks. We are playing out the season, with an interim coach, and could have started that 2 weeks later. We are getting an experienced coach, but the next 18 months will be a hard slog. It is probably Green or Flanagan, and could be either one. Gus is saying most of this in the media, except for speculating on the coach. Baz would have needed a miracle, and was going anyway. Results this season don't overly matter but losing can be a hard habit to shake. In the wash up of all this, I've come to the conclusion that Baz needed to coach us from 2023 onwards. i.e he needed the team to already play a decent brand of footy for him to come in and implement his attacking strategies. Coming in for the 2021 season was a disaster. He could have been saved if we were at least playing half decent, but the reality is, that many of our players have regressed with his roster decisions and his gamestyle. Water under the bridge now, but if there is 1 massive lesson to be learnt out of this (for the incoming coach) it is he cannot ignore the issues around our number 9 and 7. The incoming coach will be lucky in that he has Mahoney next year. But if he starts this year, I'd really like to see him avoid the mistake that Barrett made by not dropping JMK due to poor decision making. He also needs to make a call on the number 7 coz Flanno is not the answer.
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+x+x+x+x+xIt is interesting that there are 6 teams with a worse defensive record than us. We had a coach who's specialty was supposedly attack. We score less than 10 points a game. The coach's specialty is his failure. It should be noted that Penrith's attack hasn't gone backwards without him. Maybe he got a little more credit than was warranted. Our squad still doesn't compare to the Penrith side, at best 4 of our players make a combined side, at worst none. Sometimes it doesn't work out, we had limited options in some positions and Baz probably picked the wrong ones. Fans seem to think a coach can turn a dud into a superstar. The reality is good coaches find a suitably limited role for a limited player, but rarely in a key position. Smart coaches quickly hide their mistakes in reserve grade, and everyone forgets them. I can't explain the 2nd half against the Knights that was a team out of energy and ideas. Not comparing to Penrith. The point is we don't compare to anyone. We went from a difficult draw eary in the season to an easier one starting two weeks ago. We failed when it got easier, that was the two weeks we needed to demonstrate progress. We didn't so curtains for Baz, no more kicking the decision down the track. Well according to Gus Josh Jackson thinks Baz is the best coach he has had at the Dogs. He was the type of coach who would be very popular with players. I would not be surpised if the players find it hard to get up mentally for the next few weeks. We are playing out the season, with an interim coach, and could have started that 2 weeks later. We are getting an experienced coach, but the next 18 months will be a hard slog. It is probably Green or Flanagan, and could be either one. Gus is saying most of this in the media, except for speculating on the coach. Baz would have needed a miracle, and was going anyway. Results this season don't overly matter but losing can be a hard habit to shake. In the wash up of all this, I've come to the conclusion that Baz needed to coach us from 2023 onwards. i.e he needed the team to already play a decent brand of footy for him to come in and implement his attacking strategies. Coming in for the 2021 season was a disaster. He could have been saved if we were at least playing half decent, but the reality is, that many of our players have regressed with his roster decisions and his gamestyle. Water under the bridge now, but if there is 1 massive lesson to be learnt out of this (for the incoming coach) it is he cannot ignore the issues around our number 9 and 7. The incoming coach will be lucky in that he has Mahoney next year. But if he starts this year, I'd really like to see him avoid the mistake that Barrett made by not dropping JMK due to poor decision making. He also needs to make a call on the number 7 coz Flanno is not the answer. I agree that the squad is more important than the coach, a bad squad leaves the question of the coaches ability unresolved. For now I think we can win a comp with Green/Hayward becuase Green is smart enough to know Thurston won him the last one. I don't think we can win a comp with Flanagan/Flanagan and if Flanagan getting the coaching gig results in Hayward leaving we might regret it. I don't feel like taking the risk. Had Baz coached a bit longer Flanagan jnr been demoted and not re-signed then no risk. I also think that players are in a good position to judge the coach, but ... The players give a nice guy like Baz a bit more backing, but that doesn't always translate into results. It does mean a nice guy is a hard act to follow, and we need a grumpy coach, so some fall out between the next coach and some players is possible - but hopefully mostly guys we want to move on anyway.
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Naden gone to the Tigers, not a big loss.
Minimal changes in side named.
Docker-Clay named on an extended bench. More of a half/hooker utility?
Might play 14.
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