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+xI hope the refs ref the NRLol like they did the origin… My favourite new rule this week is redhead contact’ ‘it was just a tap’, I assume this is the opposite of ‘with force’ I'd certainly like to see it applied on "tackles" in mid air. These days, you even put a hand on a guy jumping for the ball and it somehow gets deemed a "tackle". FFS, is it that hard to distinguish between an attempt at tackle someone and go for the ball?
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Marki
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+x+x+xI thought NSW would come out hard in the second half.. how wrong was I, the caginas looked rattled and played like a team coming last in the comp..... oh sh!t that's us. We were just given a vision of how our team would be under Fittler and why we should not entertain the idea of him becoming our head coach. I would question why Murrary didn't start. But the NSW players failed to adapt to the slow ruck, threw too many passes and didn't match QLD for energy and workrate. Next game will tell if Freddy can coach, he needs to react to the loss. Getting Latrell back would help. Cook and the Panthers halves showed their limitations with a slow ruck. The halves need to be deeper and the passing more precise. Cook in particular needs fast play the balls or his game is largely neutalised, QLD were smart enough to know that the ref was having trouble finding the whistle. Thurston would be effective with a slow ruck, very few modern halves are. The game never changes.
Forwards win the game. Backs decide by how much. Never agreed with this sentiment. Games are won by a combination of things. Winning forward battle helps but if SOO has taught us anything over the last 40 years is that it's not the only component.
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ODF
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Marki, while it is true that Qld forwards dominated NSW thus putting pressure on the Blues backs, the latitude that the referee gave qld in general play made them look much better than they really were. The "flat" passes that were let go is an obvious testament that the officials don't know the rules. The ball must leave the players hand in a backwards motion and while we all know that physics tells us that when a player is moving forward then the ball will travel retrospect to that player, so you would expect the catcher to receive the ball a half a metre or so in front of the position it was passed not 2 -3 metres. A flat pass is a forward pass every day of the week yet hundreds of them are ignored every weekend.
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Mick O
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+x+x+x+xI thought NSW would come out hard in the second half.. how wrong was I, the caginas looked rattled and played like a team coming last in the comp..... oh sh!t that's us. We were just given a vision of how our team would be under Fittler and why we should not entertain the idea of him becoming our head coach. I would question why Murrary didn't start. But the NSW players failed to adapt to the slow ruck, threw too many passes and didn't match QLD for energy and workrate. Next game will tell if Freddy can coach, he needs to react to the loss. Getting Latrell back would help. Cook and the Panthers halves showed their limitations with a slow ruck. The halves need to be deeper and the passing more precise. Cook in particular needs fast play the balls or his game is largely neutalised, QLD were smart enough to know that the ref was having trouble finding the whistle. Thurston would be effective with a slow ruck, very few modern halves are. The game never changes.
Forwards win the game. Backs decide by how much. Never agreed with this sentiment. Games are won by a combination of things. Winning forward battle helps but if SOO has taught us anything over the last 40 years is that it's not the only component. There is certainly more to it then winning the forward battle. But it helps in the majority of games. When Qld won with terrible sides it was the forwards who stepped up.
Yes There are players who can turn a game while their forwards aren’t controlling field position. Turbo and Inglis for example. But by doing so their forwards generally play better and the opposition runs out of steam. So the forwards still win the game.
Carrigan won the game for Qld with some of the best carries I have seen in Origin. But their whole pack dominated. The NSW forwards need to be kicked up the arse. They were terrible.
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Mick O
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+xMarki, while it is true that Qld forwards dominated NSW thus putting pressure on the Blues backs, the latitude that the referee gave qld in general play made them look much better than they really were. The "flat" passes that were let go is an obvious testament that the officials don't know the rules. The ball must leave the players hand in a backwards motion and while we all know that physics tells us that when a player is moving forward then the ball will travel retrospect to that player, so you would expect the catcher to receive the ball a half a metre or so in front of the position it was passed not 2 -3 metres. A flat pass is a forward pass every day of the week yet hundreds of them are ignored every weekend. I can’t remember a ref or touch judge that could do well enough to get it right more then half the time. I honestly don’t blame them anymore because they have always been terrible.
Until we have a tracker in the ball, that alerts the ref when the ball travels forward, the problem won’t be solved.
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ODF
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Micko, an athlete travelling at 20 km/h will cover 1.85 metres in one second, so if the reciever gets the ball 2 or more metres in front of from where it was passed it is obviously forward. Just have to apply simple maths rather than spent opulent amounts for GPS tracker technology.
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Actually that figure of 1.85 m/s is at 24 km/h.
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+x+x+x+x+xI thought NSW would come out hard in the second half.. how wrong was I, the caginas looked rattled and played like a team coming last in the comp..... oh sh!t that's us. We were just given a vision of how our team would be under Fittler and why we should not entertain the idea of him becoming our head coach. I would question why Murrary didn't start. But the NSW players failed to adapt to the slow ruck, threw too many passes and didn't match QLD for energy and workrate. Next game will tell if Freddy can coach, he needs to react to the loss. Getting Latrell back would help. Cook and the Panthers halves showed their limitations with a slow ruck. The halves need to be deeper and the passing more precise. Cook in particular needs fast play the balls or his game is largely neutalised, QLD were smart enough to know that the ref was having trouble finding the whistle. Thurston would be effective with a slow ruck, very few modern halves are. The game never changes.
Forwards win the game. Backs decide by how much. Never agreed with this sentiment. Games are won by a combination of things. Winning forward battle helps but if SOO has taught us anything over the last 40 years is that it's not the only component. There is certainly more to it then winning the forward battle. But it helps in the majority of games. When Qld won with terrible sides it was the forwards who stepped up.
Yes There are players who can turn a game while their forwards aren’t controlling field position. Turbo and Inglis for example. But by doing so their forwards generally play better and the opposition runs out of steam. So the forwards still win the game.
Carrigan won the game for Qld with some of the best carries I have seen in Origin. But their whole pack dominated. The NSW forwards need to be kicked up the arse. They were terrible. When a team is winning the forwards battle a player in the opposition team needs to do something exceptional to turn momentum. In the NSW side Teddy, Latrell and Turbo are capable of that, but one is far easier to handle than 3. IMO the game showed the limiations of Cook, he needs fast play the balls to be effective. His passing isn't much better than JMK s nd considering our slower play the balls, JMK almost matches him in running. What has changed is a slower ruck the NSW team had a Dog's speed ruck.
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Considering that the QLD side didn't need to pick Marhoney just shows how well they are suited to a slower speed game.
Their depth in the spine is fairly good, even with retirement of Thurson, Slater and Smith.
Outside of the Panthers halves I don't think NSW has a better option. Hooker is pretty much Cook and Api.
I do wonder why Jake T wasn't picked, or even Finucane.
Hynes might be worth a try if we want an alternative to Api.
NSW needs to at least match QLD in the forwards to win, QLD could be shaded in the forwards batlle and one of their spine players might shift momentum.
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Marki
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Question: If a drop out doesn't go the 10m, can the receiving team pick up the ball?
Surely they can't be penalised when receiving the ball?
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Mooloolabadog
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+xMarki, while it is true that Qld forwards dominated NSW thus putting pressure on the Blues backs, the latitude that the referee gave qld in general play made them look much better than they really were. The "flat" passes that were let go is an obvious testament that the officials don't know the rules. The ball must leave the players hand in a backwards motion and while we all know that physics tells us that when a player is moving forward then the ball will travel retrospect to that player, so you would expect the catcher to receive the ball a half a metre or so in front of the position it was passed not 2 -3 metres. A flat pass is a forward pass every day of the week yet hundreds of them are ignored every weekend. Backwards out of the hands is not in the rulebook for a good reason. It is only relevant if the passers body is oriented square to the sideline. Try it on a line of tiles or something, if the player's body is at 45 degrees everything changes.
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+xMicko, an athlete travelling at 20 km/h will cover 1.85 metres in one second, so if the reciever gets the ball 2 or more metres in front of from where it was passed it is obviously forward. Just have to apply simple maths rather than spent opulent amounts for GPS tracker technology. Not simple, too many variables, including speed of the pass, distance between etc.
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+xQuestion: If a drop out doesn't go the 10m, can the receiving team pick up the ball? Surely they can't be penalised when receiving the ball? No
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Mick O
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+xMicko, an athlete travelling at 20 km/h will cover 1.85 metres in one second, so if the reciever gets the ball 2 or more metres in front of from where it was passed it is obviously forward. Just have to apply simple maths rather than spent opulent amounts for GPS tracker technology. Could be used by the bunker. Very good idea.
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Marki
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+x+x+x+x+xI thought NSW would come out hard in the second half.. how wrong was I, the caginas looked rattled and played like a team coming last in the comp..... oh sh!t that's us. We were just given a vision of how our team would be under Fittler and why we should not entertain the idea of him becoming our head coach. I would question why Murrary didn't start. But the NSW players failed to adapt to the slow ruck, threw too many passes and didn't match QLD for energy and workrate. Next game will tell if Freddy can coach, he needs to react to the loss. Getting Latrell back would help. Cook and the Panthers halves showed their limitations with a slow ruck. The halves need to be deeper and the passing more precise. Cook in particular needs fast play the balls or his game is largely neutalised, QLD were smart enough to know that the ref was having trouble finding the whistle. Thurston would be effective with a slow ruck, very few modern halves are. The game never changes.
Forwards win the game. Backs decide by how much. Never agreed with this sentiment. Games are won by a combination of things. Winning forward battle helps but if SOO has taught us anything over the last 40 years is that it's not the only component. There is certainly more to it then winning the forward battle. But it helps in the majority of games. When Qld won with terrible sides it was the forwards who stepped up.
Yes There are players who can turn a game while their forwards aren’t controlling field position. Turbo and Inglis for example. But by doing so their forwards generally play better and the opposition runs out of steam. So the forwards still win the game.
Carrigan won the game for Qld with some of the best carries I have seen in Origin. But their whole pack dominated. The NSW forwards need to be kicked up the arse. They were terrible. Well I thought their forwards were fine. It's their hooker and halves who couldn't control the game and didn't know when to straighten the attack. NSW was 1 slightly forward pass and 1 obstruction call away from being on level terms. And it had nothing to do with forward domination. It's just 2 chances that on another day could have been 2 trys and the win.
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Marki
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+x+xMicko, an athlete travelling at 20 km/h will cover 1.85 metres in one second, so if the reciever gets the ball 2 or more metres in front of from where it was passed it is obviously forward. Just have to apply simple maths rather than spent opulent amounts for GPS tracker technology. Not simple, too many variables, including speed of the pass, distance between etc. Yep. The rule should be black and white from the point where it leaves the hands, to the point where it is caught. Force players to pass backwards mo matter how fast or slow they are going. If its a long pass that is heading backwards initially but then floats forward by wind, then its ok.
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Marki
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+xActually that figure of 1.85 m/s is at 24 km/h. Something is not right here... 24km/hr should be 6.6m/s.... Are you saying that you'd be happy to see a winger run down the sideline at 24km/hr, draw the fullback and fire a pass 6.6m forward to his inside man where the pass takes 1second to execute? Technically, its a line ball pass, but id call that forward. IMO it should just be the reference from ball leaving the hands to ball being caught.
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+x+x+xMicko, an athlete travelling at 20 km/h will cover 1.85 metres in one second, so if the reciever gets the ball 2 or more metres in front of from where it was passed it is obviously forward. Just have to apply simple maths rather than spent opulent amounts for GPS tracker technology. Not simple, too many variables, including speed of the pass, distance between etc. Yep. The rule should be black and white from the point where it leaves the hands, to the point where it is caught. Force players to pass backwards mo matter how fast or slow they are going. If its a long pass that is heading backwards initially but then floats forward by wind, then its ok. You've nailed it
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+x+x[quote]Actually that figure of 1.85 m/s is at 24 km/h. And Marki you are correct it is 6.6 metres.
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But it doesn't matter what you or I think, the referees will interpret the rules and officiate the game the way the NRLol want it officiated. At the end of the day we are just the " mug punters" that spend our hard earned to fill their coffers.
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+xBut it doesn't matter what you or I think, the referees will interpret the rules and officiate the game the way the NRLol want it officiated. At the end of the day we are just the " mug punters" that spend our hard earned to fill their coffers. What happens? Supposedly with the same rulebook you get different games refereed differently. This is what happened on Wednesday. The SOO was refereed with a laissez-faire approach to the rules, which it always is. I'm sure Queensland was coached to take advantage of this.
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+x+xBut it doesn't matter what you or I think, the referees will interpret the rules and officiate the game the way the NRLol want it officiated. At the end of the day we are just the " mug punters" that spend our hard earned to fill their coffers. What happens? Supposedly with the same rulebook you get different games refereed differently. This is what happened on Wednesday. The SOO was refereed with a laissez-faire approach to the rules, which it always is. I'm sure Queensland was coached to take advantage of this. Exactly, and Fittler has to be smart enough to do his homework also.
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My biggest gripe is that the rules are not written to eliminate the potential for intetpretation....... and they should be!
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Clear no try for Paulo.. Titans lose all momentum and numbers advantage downfield after the obvious error cos the ref wants to check… I hope the NRLol can spend a couple of off seasons focusing on getting their representatives shit up to scratch instead of changing rules…
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+xClear no try for Paulo.. Titans lose all momentum and numbers advantage downfield after the obvious error cos the ref wants to check… I hope the NRLol can spend a couple of off seasons focusing on getting their representatives shit up to scratch instead of changing rules… Terrible disadvantage to the Titans. If the officials can't make a decision get them out of there. If they're under instructions get their leaders out of there.
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Marki
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This Broncos vs Raiders game is a beauty. Players offloading, players in support and alert. Great stuff.
Hope our guys are watching and take a leaf of this book
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+xThis Broncos vs Raiders game is a beauty. Players offloading, players in support and alert. Great stuff. Hope our guys are watching and take a leaf of this book Watching the game I was thinking how can Marki coach 2 sides at once!!!…
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Mick O
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+xThis Broncos vs Raiders game is a beauty. Players offloading, players in support and alert. Great stuff. Hope our guys are watching and take a leaf of this book You never have played before, have you?
There is so much more to it. The best way to think about footy. Is to think players are human. And just like us. They sometimes do their job poorly, sometimes unbelievably. But generally just go through the motions. They watch other games sometimes and wish it think they can do the great things and laugh at how they would never do the poor things.
Yes we are all lounge coaches. Yes we have no idea. Yes we have never played. Repeat until it sticks.
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Mick O
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The club will eventually be a force again. Just wait and be patient. Until then vent on here. But please don’t delude yourself into thinking you know how to get the club back to where you want it to be.
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Mick O
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If you thought Pritchard was good for us. Just wait till you see Kikau
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