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Mooloolabadog - 5 Mar 2023 3:41 PM
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I think fitness up first. Inevitably there will be injuries among the  forwards. You can't  just say "we can't  leave him on longer he's not fit yet". I'd rather give Topine a go while he's  getting fit. 

He looks pretty fit for a 132kgs to me… I think it may be more the silly errors that concerns the coach… 
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ODF - 5 Mar 2023 3:45 PM
dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:18 PM

I didn't know you ventured into the asylum. But I'm glad I'm a sad enthusiast that makes you sick. 😄

I like to look at my friends through the little square window on the doors to the padded room…
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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:42 PM
Marki - 5 Mar 2023 3:34 PM

What have you seen from Presto that says he’s a ball player/link man???… He’s greatest known asset is running hard and good lines… why get him passing???…

I don't just see the 13 as a ball player - link man. 
The style im thinking of is a Cam Murray type player who can punch through the defence and offload, get outside his man and slip a pass or pass before the line.

It's probably what we bought Kikau to do, but in this team, I reckon by end of year, we will be praising Preston but critical of Kikau....
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hounddog - 5 Mar 2023 3:46 PM
dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:31 PM

Spot on that is exactly why he came to the Dogs, he has footy in him, and he wants freedom to play his game, not be a robot.

We are happy for him to play becuase our halves don't offer much.

One big problem for Burto is a lack of threat, dominance, a kicking game and organisation from the halfback. 

Lou takes a lot of the load off Burton.

Why I am suggesting moving Burton is exactly for that reason. Reduce the pressure/expectation, use his running game, get more used to running the ball, become relaxed and confident.

But should Karl and Grub get a shot in the halves and deliver the goods, it is their spot to lose.

In all likelihood Burto gets another shot and delivers 2nd time around.

Oh Geebus Crikes… not you too… 

You can’t say in one hand Burto under to much pressure for lack of a decent half on the other side of the field then suggest a move to centre as the fix… 

Get Grub on field… at best will give the opposition dkk on etching to think about… at worst he can give the opposition the shits…
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Marki - 5 Mar 2023 3:52 PM
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I don't just see the 13 as a ball player - link man. 
The style im thinking of is a Cam Murray type player who can punch through the defence and offload, get outside his man and slip a pass or pass before the line.

It's probably what we bought Kikau to do, but in this team, I reckon by end of year, we will be praising Preston but critical of Kikau....

Ok re 13 role…

Mockstradamus… 1 game in… writing Kikau off… BDP Gold..
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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:45 PM
Marki - 5 Mar 2023 3:41 PM

What distrust???.. Stop inventing shit…

Not inventing anything.
Reed has done it before at Parra (storm semi) and in the last 2 trials. I don't blame him yesterday.. it was the right thing to do. But second trial showed how it can turn to shite. 

There's question marks over both our halves, and I think CC needs to have a backup option at 14. Personally I feel it should be JR and I think you do too. 
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Marki - 5 Mar 2023 3:58 PM
dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:45 PM

Not inventing anything.
Reed has done it before at Parra (storm semi) and in the last 2 trials. I don't blame him yesterday.. it was the right thing to do. But second trial showed how it can turn to shite. 

There's question marks over both our halves, and I think CC needs to have a backup option at 14. Personally I feel it should be JR and I think you do too. 

So let me get this straight… you have invented the hooker does not trust his current  halves… you then suggest the same  hooker did not trust his halves at the previous club… you have championed the signing of the distrusted half from the previous club…
makes sense…

The more I’ve thought about it today, I want JR straight in the 7 with Nu at 14…


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Marki - 5 Mar 2023 3:58 PM
dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:45 PM

Not inventing anything.
Reed has done it before at Parra (storm semi) and in the last 2 trials. I don't blame him yesterday.. it was the right thing to do. But second trial showed how it can turn to shite. 

There's question marks over both our halves, and I think CC needs to have a backup option at 14. Personally I feel it should be JR and I think you do too. 

Why is it distrust???… Could it simply not be CC has told him to play what’s in front of him???…
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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:55 PM
Marki - 5 Mar 2023 3:52 PM

Ok re 13 role…

Mockstradamus… 1 game in… writing Kikau off… BDP Gold..

There are two words in that sentence that stand out...
Mockstradamus.....Gold 
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Marki, I now pronounce thee to be known forthwith as Mockstradamus.
It is now official..... fvcking gold dman, pure gold!
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Bags just got delivered after checking in with Qantas at 6pm on Friday… 

23 hours to get home, a couple of hundred dollars out of pocket… and to top it off, someone went through my bag…

I feel a rather noisy complaint coming on tomorrow…


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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 4:09 PM
Marki - 5 Mar 2023 3:58 PM

So let me get this straight… you have invented the hooker does not trust his current  halves… you then suggest the same  hooker did not trust his halves at the previous club… you have championed the signing of the distrusted half from the previous club…
makes sense…

The more I’ve thought about it today, I want JR straight in the 7 with Nu at 14…


I'm not going to explain it 10 times.
You either understand what I'm saying, or i suggest you rewatch the games I noted.

It's not a criticism of Mahoney. 
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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 4:50 PM
Bags just got delivered after checking in with Qantas at 6pm on Friday… 

23 hours to get home, a couple of hundred dollars out of pocket… and to top it off, someone went through my bag…

I feel a rather noisy complaint coming on tomorrow…


Even Qantas distrusts you!!
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Marki - 5 Mar 2023 4:55 PM
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I'm not going to explain it 10 times.
You either understand what I'm saying, or i suggest you rewatch the games I noted.

It's not a criticism of Mahoney. 

Bwahahaha…. 
Calling out bvllshit and not understanding are very different things…

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Marki - 5 Mar 2023 4:56 PM
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Even Qantas distrusts you!!

Am fuming… there is an item missing, and an item tampered with…
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We should sign this Marshall King bloke…
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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 3:53 PM
hounddog - 5 Mar 2023 3:46 PM

Oh Geebus Crikes… not you too… 

You can’t say in one hand Burto under to much pressure for lack of a decent half on the other side of the field then suggest a move to centre as the fix… 

Get Grub on field… at best will give the opposition dkk on etching to think about… at worst he can give the opposition the shits…

We need to to find a complementary partner for Burton.

I don't see him as a natural 5/8.

IMO what counts for spine positions is what is done playing in that position in reserve grade or NRL. Playing the position in under 15s doesn't count.

Burto is an elite talent, but I have not seen enough to convince me that he is a 5/8.
Same with DWZ at fullback.
When a guy owns a game playing a position in reserve grade, I am reasonably confident that he should play that position in NRL.

Burton did some great kicks for Foxy last season, but the opposition know that is in our kit bag. I want to see passes for try assists and linebreak assists also a few line breaks.

With Kicks, Allomotti and Foxy outside him, those passes for line breaks should not be too hard.

He needs a partner with energy and a good short kicking game, at least Grub ticks one of the boxes.

I know the forwards didn't lay a platform, but Burto's side of the field came up with 3 dud kicks and 2 errors thst resulted in Manly tries. Perhaps just a bad day at the office, but the passing on that side of the field rarely looks slick.

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You say Burton is a better centre than a ⅝ but do you believe L mitchell is a better centre than a FB  how many players are there within the 17 teams that are not playing in their natrual position or playing in a position that they "prefer" as opposed to what they excel in. If Burton is good enough (which I think he is) he will master the No.6.
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Shhhh.
There's a commitment ceremony on....
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ODF - 5 Mar 2023 7:12 PM
You say Burton is a better centre than a ⅝ but do you believe L mitchell is a better centre than a FB  how many players are there within the 17 teams that are not playing in their natrual position or playing in a position that they "prefer" as opposed to what they excel in. If Burton is good enough (which I think he is) he will master the No.6.

Difference is that guys like Latrell Mitchell and Tommy Turbo started out playing in no spine positions but due to their footy smarts and ability to play off the cuff, you cannot deny them from ball playing.

Burton hasn't shown shit.
His whole gameplay is on his kick. It's otherwise on his ability to run the ball but only at centre. The minute you make him ball player, he loses it.

I'm with HD. I don't think he'll make it as a 5/8th. If he values his rep career he should move to the centres and be best as he can, cause Latrell and Tommy T as well as Wighton are well ahead of him for that NSW centre spot ATM...

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Have you followed Burton right through his junior career ?, neither have I, but there must be a reason he wants to play 6 and not 3 or4. I heard he played all his junior footy in the halves and if that's true then I understsnd his desire to play ⅝th. 
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Plus why is it you always belittle our players?. Every other teams players seem to have "footy smarts" while you paint Dogs players as "brainless neanderthals" that cant even follow the "clueless" coaches one directional plan. Just chill, it's not as though you are losing sheep stations over it.
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ODF - 5 Mar 2023 7:53 PM
Have you followed Burton right through his junior career ?, neither have I, but there must be a reason he wants to play 6 and not 3 or4. I heard he played all his junior footy in the halves and if that's true then I understsnd his desire to play ⅝th. 

That's the thing.
It's not about what he wants.
At what point do we put team ahead of player? 
Penrith didn't do it. They won 2 comps making such decisions. Burton in 21, Chrichton in 22.

I wouldn't mind too much if he had a top line halfback next to him. All off season and last year I was making this point - that he needs a dominant top shelf half partner to take pressure off him and allow him to find his way.

It seems we won't be getting him one. He'll only get a rookie - maybe sometime this year. So now I see 2 positions put at risk or a rebuild that will take at least another 3 years. Until the next excuse to not buy a top half comes out
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Marki - 5 Mar 2023 8:16 PM
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That's the thing.
It's not about what he wants.
At what point do we put team ahead of player? 
Penrith didn't do it. They won 2 comps making such decisions. Burton in 21, Chrichton in 22.

I wouldn't mind too much if he had a top line halfback next to him. All off season and last year I was making this point - that he needs a dominant top shelf half partner to take pressure off him and allow him to find his way.

It seems we won't be getting him one. He'll only get a rookie - maybe sometime this year. So now I see 2 positions put at risk or a rebuild that will take at least another 3 years. Until the next excuse to not buy a top half comes out

My greatest hope in life is seeing you with the equivalent amount of egg on your face Villi did with his Thurston sux, let him go assessment 19 years ago…
On Villi, he had nice SC score and win today, and is currently the most Stunning&brave in the league…
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Marki - 5 Mar 2023 8:16 PM
ODF - 5 Mar 2023 7:53 PM

That's the thing.
It's not about what he wants.
At what point do we put team ahead of player? 

 CC - Hi players I’m the new coach CC… Burto, you’re playing centre…
MB - But I wanna play 6…
CC - oh OK, you’re 6…
MB - can I be captain too???…
CC - Lou is captain..
MB - But I wanna be captain…
CC - oh… OK.. if that’s what u want…


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ODF - 5 Mar 2023 7:12 PM
You say Burton is a better centre than a ⅝ but do you believe L mitchell is a better centre than a FB  how many players are there within the 17 teams that are not playing in their natrual position or playing in a position that they "prefer" as opposed to what they excel in. If Burton is good enough (which I think he is) he will master the No.6.

Maybe, but so far I haven't seen him play like a natural 5/8.

He occasionally filled in in the halves at the Panthers, with mixed results.

I would like to see him succeed, but so far I have no idea if that will happen, or when it will happen.

Without Lou and Max King we would have been lapped 50+ to nill in that game.

Defense and fitness was better, but Lou was the main threat in attack and we only seem to be able pass left.

Seriously understrength in the forwards was a big factor.
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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 8:30 PM
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My greatest hope in life is seeing you with the equivalent amount of egg on your face Villi did with his Thurston sux, let him go assessment 19 years ago…
On Villi, he had nice SC score and win today, and is currently the most Stunning&brave in the league…

That Thurston sux assessment is hard to top.
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How good is Ricky Stuart…

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If anyone wants a top flight 6 and 7, perfect 9, Elite 1 superfast backline and a grunty go forward pack... go support the chooks because they are the only team that can afford such luxuries. Then again the Pilchards showed this afternoon that money can't always buy happiness.
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dman2018 - 5 Mar 2023 8:30 PM
Marki - 5 Mar 2023 8:16 PM

My greatest hope in life is seeing you with the equivalent amount of egg on your face Villi did with his Thurston sux, let him go assessment 19 years ago…
On Villi, he had nice SC score and win today, and is currently the most Stunning&brave in the league…

Where is Villi anyway?
Is he the same Villi on TK?
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