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I used to hope I lived  to see us win another comp, now I hope to live to see us win another game. Hurry up I haven't  got much  time.
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Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 9:01 PM
I used to hope I lived  to see us win another comp, now I hope to live to see us win another game. Hurry up I haven't  got much  time.

We have still got chance to make progress this season

CC mentioned trying a few young players outside the top 30. Good idea.
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Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 8:26 PM
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Can we afford Pele. 9 minutes, 3 runs for 28 metres, 5 tackles 1 miss, doesn't  cut  the mustard  for me. Our forwards aren't  dominant  enough  for us to carry Pele and a half on the bench.

I’m with HD here… Pele to start… he’s the only one that pokes his nose through the line… I reckon we can get 40 mins out of him…
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dman2018 - 12 May 2023 9:18 PM
Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 8:26 PM

I’m with HD here… Pele to start… he’s the only one that pokes his nose through the line… I reckon we can get 40 mins out of him…

Even a good 15 mins at the start is something different.
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dman2018 - 12 May 2023 9:18 PM
Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 8:26 PM

I’m with HD here… Pele to start… he’s the only one that pokes his nose through the line… I reckon we can get 40 mins out of him…

I agree he can poke his nose through,  but I would have thought if he had any stamina  CC would use him longer.
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Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 9:24 PM
dman2018 - 12 May 2023 9:18 PM

I agree he can poke his nose through,  but I would have thought if he had any stamina  CC would use him longer.

I’m surprised he’s not used more… though I felt like it was more an unforced error thing… were getting that anyway without the nose poking…
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Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 9:01 PM
I used to hope I lived  to see us win another comp, now I hope to live to see us win another game. Hurry up I haven't  got much  time.

Be positive we still into the 10th year of building phase ..
Another 10 should do ..I’m  starting to believe  CC has come out of the same cast as Barrett .. only thing is he has better players than Barrett had .  $800000 for 15th place  Ssy no more …
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zoz2015 - 12 May 2023 9:40 PM
Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 9:01 PM

Be positive we still into the 10th year of building phase ..
Another 10 should do ..I’m  starting to believe  CC has come out of the same cast as Barrett .. only thing is he has better players than Barrett had .  $800000 for 15th place  Ssy no more …

Starting to think the same. But he gets another couple of years to prove his worth. No finals next year if we are relatively free of injuries he should be sacked. Then throw the leagues club at Bellamy or Bennett. 
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zoz2015 - 12 May 2023 9:40 PM
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Be positive we still into the 10th year of building phase ..
Another 10 should do ..I’m  starting to believe  CC has come out of the same cast as Barrett .. only thing is he has better players than Barrett had .  $800000 for 15th place  Ssy no more …

We need to give CC time, changing coach every season doesn't work either.

Players are just letting the coach, tbeir teammates and themselves down. Some are not good enough, others are young and still learning.

The coach needs to identify the players to drop.
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hounddog - 12 May 2023 9:55 PM
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We need to give CC time, changing coach every season doesn't work either.

Players are just letting the coach, tbeir teammates and themselves down. Some are not good enough, others are young and still learning.

The coach needs to identify the players to drop.

Unfortunately  I only see the odd NSW cup game on TV so I don't really know  what his options are. Are there good deserving forwards in NSW cup? 
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Micko - 12 May 2023 9:51 PM
zoz2015 - 12 May 2023 9:40 PM

Starting to think the same. But he gets another couple of years to prove his worth. No finals next year if we are relatively free of injuries he should be sacked. Then throw the leagues club at Bellamy or Bennett. 

JMK great example playing  under a great coach ..
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Mooloolabadog - 12 May 2023 10:17 PM
hounddog - 12 May 2023 9:55 PM

Unfortunately  I only see the odd NSW cup game on TV so I don't really know  what his options are. Are there good deserving forwards in NSW cup? 

My hunch in the forwards is KK, second rower - big guy.
Fullback - JP seems to have put on some size 
Halves / Fullback / bench -Rajab

I haven't seen any more NSW cup than you have, this is mainly from highlights and comments by Gus.

Grub and Perham are the most likely players to be dropped. I don't know which forwards are candidates to be dropped.

No outstanding props in NSW cup that know of.

The names I mentioned I expect to play NRL soonet or later.

I think CC is looking for energy, effort and execution, not necessarily a prop, anyone who can improve the team and is a long term prospect.
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hounddog - 13 May 2023 7:02 AM
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My hunch in the forwards is KK, second rower - big guy.
Fullback - JP seems to have put on some size 
Halves / Fullback / bench -Rajab

I haven't seen any more NSW cup than you have, this is mainly from highlights and comments by Gus.

Grub and Perham are the most likely players to be dropped. I don't know which forwards are candidates to be dropped.

No outstanding props in NSW cup that know of.

The names I mentioned I expect to play NRL soonet or later.

I think CC is looking for energy, effort and execution, not necessarily a prop, anyone who can improve the team and is a long term prospect.

TPJ and RFM  must be close to a stretch in Reggies…
TPJ very inconsistent and still it seems searching do fitness, and sadly RFM offering very little on both sides of the ball… 
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TPJ and RFM  must be close to a stretch in Reggies…
TPJ very inconsistent and still it seems searching do fitness, and sadly RFM offering very little on both sides of the ball… 

I agree on both.

RFM sadly giving it everything he has.

TPJ doing a lot of dumb stuff and not having the impact he should be having.

My latest thoughts are start with Okunbor, King and Edwards in the middle.TPJ, Pele and RFM on the bench.

Bring TPJ and Pele both on 10-15 before halftime if we are behind, if we are leading only bring one on. Plenty of thrust in attack but suspect in defence.

Pele apparently needs game time. Pele, Sutton and Patolo all played in reggies, they drew 14 all.



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If the big second rower KK is ready for NRL drop RFM and play him off the bench, Wardell can move to the middle.

Replace Perham with Wilson.

Replace Grub on the bench with Rajab/ Papalii.

All 3 of the young guys can play fullback, Rajab/ Papalii can fill in at hooker or in the halves, Rajab can play centre.

If TPJ doesn't aim up, he is the next player I would drop, but I think shifting him to the bench might get him fired up.

I agree with the coaches all of our young players are good, the older players with more experience were letting the team down.
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Pele playing half a game in NSW cup after being in NRL last night. Gus says he needs football. If this is correct  why was he picked in first grade last night to play 9 minutes. It doesn't  make  sense.
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What I can't understand is this same team was showing promise and giving us hope and I really believed we were finally "turning the corner" but the last few weeks something is not right and we are going backwards....... Back to the rookie mistake stage and killing ourselves. The refs have been at their diabolical worse but we have done a lot of our own damage. It's like there is dissent amongst the players and they don't want to play for each other. Buggered if I know.
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ODF - 13 May 2023 7:19 PM
What I can't understand is this same team was showing promise and giving us hope and I really believed we were finally "turning the corner" but the last few weeks something is not right and we are going backwards....... Back to the rookie mistake stage and killing ourselves. The refs have been at their diabolical worse but we have done a lot of our own damage. It's like there is dissent amongst the players and they don't want to play for each other. Buggered if I know.

Injures, fatigue and a loss of confidence.

Max King isn't the same as before he was injured.

If we had fewer injures guys are playing their way back into form in reserve grade.

Gus said Sam Hughes was very good in reserve grade, he looks like a prospect.

The Grub/Perham experiments have been a failure young Karl coming up to speed.

TPJ disappointing and not earning his pay check.

On the positives Okunbor much improved, Edwards is a great lock, Averillo dangerous everytime he touches the ball, Kiraz always good, great debut from Wilson, Alamotti a bit inconsistent but great last game.

Preston great most weeks but is starting to show signs of fatigue. Even Wardell is much improved, but still makes dumb mistakes. Pele looks like a prospect but needs to get match fit.

If we gamble on Wilson at fullback, Wilson, Averillo and Foxy all fast. Fox would win the race, bjt not by much.

We just need to get though one gsme before the bye, the right time to throw in some young players as they might lift the energy levels.

Outside of Perham the coaches are getting most things right. Even Grub was the right move for a while. 
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hounddog - 13 May 2023 7:32 PM
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Injures, fatigue and a loss of confidence.

Max King isn't the same as before he was injured.

If we had fewer injures guys are playing their way back into form in reserve grade.

Gus said Sam Hughes was very good in reserve grade, he looks like a prospect.

The Grub/Perham experiments have been a failure young Karl coming up to speed.

TPJ disappointing and not earning his pay check.

On the positives Okunbor much improved, Edwards is a great lock, Averillo dangerous everytime ne touches the ball, Kiraz always good, great debut from Wilson, Alamotti a bit inconsistent but great last game.

Preston great most weeks but is starting to show signs of fatigue. Even Wardell is much improved, but still makes dumb mistakes. Pele looks like a prospect but needs to get match fit.

If we gamble on Wilson at fullback, Wilson, Averillo and Foxy all fast. Fox would win the race, bjt not by much.

We just need to get though one gsme before the bye, the right time to throw in some young players as they might lift the energy levels.

Outside of Perham the coaches are getting most things right. Even Grub was the right move for a while. 

Yes. I think the bye cannot come quickly  enough.
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Mooloolabadog - 13 May 2023 6:51 PM
Pele playing half a game in NSW cup after being in NRL last night. Gus says he needs football. If this is correct  why was he picked in first grade last night to play 9 minutes. It doesn't  make  sense.

His minutes haven’t made sense to me all year…
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Is KO ready or not? If yes start him. Having both him and JR in the team is wasting a spot. I think it is also confusing  for him as for as he is not being fully immersed  in the  attack.
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Mooloolabadog - 13 May 2023 9:43 PM
Is KO ready or not? If yes start him. Having both him and JR in the team is wasting a spot. I think it is also confusing  for him as for as he is not being fully immersed  in the  attack.

Sorry, badly written, but I hope you get what I mean.
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Mooloolabadog - 13 May 2023 9:45 PM
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Sorry, badly written, but I hope you get what I mean.

I still think our ball playing points come from JR or Mahoney only.

Burton, Flanno and KO haven't been able to produce points from passing. Perham another failure.

I know we are losing patience as we continue to lose games, but getting rid of JR in my opinion is not the right move, unless our halves improve remarkably.

I feel that with Averillo at fullback, he may be able to chime in off Burton or KO and play that second 5/8th role and set up some tries (abit like Dufty) but if we don't have a fullback that does that, I think JR must stay.

I think people are ignoring the elephant in the room again and that is Burton.

This guy will play first grade for 10 years and people will still be waiting for him to develop.

Cut the crap and admit the mistake. 
Move him to centre and start thinking about life post-Burton. Do it for the sake of the club.
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Mooloolabadog - 13 May 2023 9:43 PM
Is KO ready or not? If yes start him. Having both him and JR in the team is wasting a spot. I think it is also confusing  for him as for as he is not being fully immersed  in the  attack.

Time to try him starting, nothing to lose.

Time to try a new fullback.
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This season we either build and improve in time to be a contender, or more likely we are just finding the right team to start next season.

Young players at the club deserve a shot, then work out who to sign and who to let go.

Some of our older players are in the "let go" category. Burns is the exception.

Players don't need to just be comitted, they also need to be effective and out play their opponent.

If TPJ can't step up to being a forwards leader, we need to find that guy.

Mase was spot on about AFB, and Bunty wasn't a bad support act. 
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hounddog - 13 May 2023 10:39 PM
This season we either build and improve in time to be a contender, or more likely we are just finding the right team to start next season.

Young players at the club deserve a shot, then work out who to sign and who to let go.

Some of our older players are in the "let go" category. Burns is the exception.

Players don't need to just be comitted, they also need to be effective and out play their opponent.

If TPJ can't step up to being a forwards leader, we need to find that guy.

Mase was spot on about AFB, and Bunty wasn't a bad support act. 

Mate... Too many flat footed middles.
Size isn't the issue, it's the style of play.

Mahoney started the season bringing players into the ball but old habits have kicked in, we are going back to flat footed players receiving the ball who have only 5m to wind up and are easy meat for the rushing defence.

On the flip side, we are also slow in meeting the opposition attackers and just aren't effective in tackling technique to bring them down. We often have 2 guys tackling high who give up lots of PCM and the 3rd is too concerned about hip drop they he stays out of it and just watches.

We then fall victim to a roll on.

The team needs a circuit breaker to reset themselves. The bye can't come soon enough but we also need to make good use of it.
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Mate... Too many flat footed middles.
Size isn't the issue, it's the style of play.

Mahoney started the season bringing players into the ball but old habits have kicked in, we are going back to flat footed players receiving the ball who have only 5m to wind up and are easy meat for the rushing defence.

On the flip side, we are also slow in meeting the opposition attackers and just aren't effective in tackling technique to bring them down. We often have 2 guys tackling high who give up lots of PCM and the 3rd is too concerned about hip drop they he stays out of it and just watches.

We then fall victim to a roll on.

The team needs a circuit breaker to reset themselves. The bye can't come soon enough but we also need to make good use of it.

We need to work on a 3rd player in taking the the legs in a way which doesn't conceed a penalty.

Wardell should be sifted to the middle to add more work rate and mobility, ideally off the bench.

When teams like Canberra and the Warriors have a bigger forwards pack, we can't afford to "start slow"  and gift them an early run of posession. Especially not when both sides are in good form and closer to full strength than we are.

If you watched the presser, CC isn't happy and I expect some changes.

Still over half the season to go, any team thst gets on a roll and wins 3-4 in a row can climb the table. We are not out of the running, we are starting to get players back.

This is the closest NRL season for sometime, and the standard is higher, still plenty of improvement needed by us, but it is not impossible.

It is odvious to me that CC and Gus are focused on the players who are playing well and will be part of the team for the next 5 seasons. Those guys will not be shuffled around to different positions in a vain attempt to improve short term results. 
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This system of signing contracts  12 months in advance is not fit for purpose. It is just putting a 12 month delay into the recruitment process. Say I have a Contract, 12 months down the track, my current club is not going anywhere, am I 100% motivated? Maybe, maybe not.
Much better two transfer windows. One week mid season 2 weeks post season. Once a deal is done, including with club if player contracted, the player moves immediately. 
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The new clampdown on hipdtop is only stuffing some teams as there appears to be exclusive teams immune to scrutiny.
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The most humourous thing has occurred, I just received a gobful from a Warriors supporter telling me that they have been copping it from the refs for the last 28 years and I have "no idea" how that feels and the Warriors have every right to start getting favourable calls from the refs.
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