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+x+x+x+xNo one had heard of Preston before this season. We just need to find similar quality lower grade fringe top 30 players, even if we only have a 30% success rate, with locally developed players we will get there over the next few seasons. TPJ didn't do much to increase our chances of winning this season. Not just Tevita, you can add Thompson, RFM, Kikau and Sutton to that list. That's alot of our forward cap space allocation delivering very little to this season. Going into next season Kikau is affectively a new signing. TPJ and Thompson are gone. RFM and Sutton can join them as far as I care. Injuries stopped Thompson getting a fair crack. RFM was good earlier in his career prior to Injuries, but is now a pale shadow of that player. Sutton, King, Patolo and Hughes all with fairly major Injuries this season. If you wanted to get injured in 2023 playing prop for the Dogs was a virtual guarantee . IMO Sutton and King were good earlier in the season prior to injury and were not the same since then. When Kiks finally got on the field he was the best player in the team by some margin. I would keep 1-2 out of RFM, Sutton and Thompson. I would keep Hughes and Patolo for at least one season. We have 2 good young lower grade middles, I would slot them in as development players available for NRL after round 10. With TPJ, Thompson and perhaps RFM going we can sign 2-3 fringe NRL young props with potential. Like Preston they will not be household names and only 1 of them might turn out to be a long term Dogs NRL player. Dman is right there are not many experienced quality players available, we need a few older guys to steer the young guys in the right direction. You need smart players. Smart players are always better than dumb players. 2 props came off the bench in the Sharks / Cows game, they changed the match, after that there was no way back for the Cows. Drinkwater looked like the smartest player on the field prior to that. The Cows kicked a few dead giving the Sharks 7 tackle sets. Sharks had a dip in form earlier in the season when the big boys were out. For us I am hoping that Sexton can improve and be a good enough halfback until we can develop and even better one. Watching Drinkwater, I would try BBO at fullback, but I remember how that went for Trent Cutler. But my main concern is still our lack of size in the middle especially with TPJ leaving. A side has to be at least competitive in yardage and possession for a smart player to do anything. If the opposition regularly has the ball at our end and his team-mates are missing tackles, what is the smart player going to do? If he is really smart he will fake an injury and get interchanged.
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dman2018
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+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. So I guess rocket science isn’t rocket science then…
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Mick O
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+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. Most engineers have a great knowledge of their specific field and unfortunately attempt to use that knowledge in contrasting fields. Mostly resulting in terrible work.
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My point about the refs earlier was simply that it’s not worth discussing. We need to learn to play better to ensure poor decisions don’t cost us games.
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I’m honestly lost in what players we should sign. We definitely need harder working forwards. King, Knight, Morrin are what we should be after. JFH types would be ideal. No idea what players are available. And An experienced half would help greatly. Nobody available.
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+x+x+xNo one had heard of Preston before this season. We just need to find similar quality lower grade fringe top 30 players, even if we only have a 30% success rate, with locally developed players we will get there over the next few seasons. TPJ didn't do much to increase our chances of winning this season. Not just Tevita, you can add Thompson, RFM, Kikau and Sutton to that list. That's alot of our forward cap space allocation delivering very little to this season. Going into next season Kikau is affectively a new signing. TPJ and Thompson are gone. RFM and Sutton can join them as far as I care. Injuries stopped Thompson getting a fair crack. RFM was good earlier in his career prior to Injuries, but is now a pale shadow of that player. Sutton, King, Patolo and Hughes all with fairly major Injuries this season. If you wanted to get injured in 2023 playing prop for the Dogs was a virtual guarantee . IMO Sutton and King were good earlier in the season prior to injury and were not the same since then. When Kiks finally got on the field he was the best player in the team by some margin. I would keep 1-2 out of RFM, Sutton and Thompson. I would keep Hughes and Patolo for at least one season. We have 2 good young lower grade middles, I would slot them in as development players available for NRL after round 10. With TPJ, Thompson and perhaps RFM going we can sign 2-3 fringe NRL young props with potential. Like Preston they will not be household names and only 1 of them might turn out to be a long term Dogs NRL player. Dman is right there are not many experienced quality players available, we need a few older guys to steer the young guys in the right direction. I think Hughes has great potential and it's super important for guys like Kikau, Knight and Taukeiaho (If we have signed him) to guide him into becoming the best he can be. I've never seen Patolo stand out in a game but i'm really hoping he can step up for us. He has the size to play the role. And King started the season great before he picked up that injury that was supposed to have him on the sidelines for 4-6 weeks. I think he missed one? I was never impressed with Sutton at any stage so if he is carrying an injury fair enough i am happy to give him another chance. I dont know what to say about Ray. Yes he has always been injury prone, even error prone, but he normally comes good and produces really good performances. He has done absolutely nothing this season.
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+xI’m honestly lost in what players we should sign. We definitely need harder working forwards. King, Knight, Morrin are what we should be after. JFH types would be ideal. No idea what players are available. And An experienced half would help greatly. Nobody available.
Not sure if up to date or correct… I’d give Greig from Parra a go… and maybe Jordan McClean for a talent… https://www.zerotackle.com/players/off-contract-2023/by-position-2023/
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+x+x+x+xNo one had heard of Preston before this season. We just need to find similar quality lower grade fringe top 30 players, even if we only have a 30% success rate, with locally developed players we will get there over the next few seasons. TPJ didn't do much to increase our chances of winning this season. Not just Tevita, you can add Thompson, RFM, Kikau and Sutton to that list. That's alot of our forward cap space allocation delivering very little to this season. Going into next season Kikau is affectively a new signing. TPJ and Thompson are gone. RFM and Sutton can join them as far as I care. Injuries stopped Thompson getting a fair crack. RFM was good earlier in his career prior to Injuries, but is now a pale shadow of that player. Sutton, King, Patolo and Hughes all with fairly major Injuries this season. If you wanted to get injured in 2023 playing prop for the Dogs was a virtual guarantee . IMO Sutton and King were good earlier in the season prior to injury and were not the same since then. When Kiks finally got on the field he was the best player in the team by some margin. I would keep 1-2 out of RFM, Sutton and Thompson. I would keep Hughes and Patolo for at least one season. We have 2 good young lower grade middles, I would slot them in as development players available for NRL after round 10. With TPJ, Thompson and perhaps RFM going we can sign 2-3 fringe NRL young props with potential. Like Preston they will not be household names and only 1 of them might turn out to be a long term Dogs NRL player. Dman is right there are not many experienced quality players available, we need a few older guys to steer the young guys in the right direction. I think Hughes has great potential and it's super important for guys like Kikau, Knight and Taukeiaho (If we have signed him) to guide him into becoming the best he can be. I've never seen Patolo stand out in a game but i'm really hoping he can step up for us. He has the size to play the role. And King started the season great before he picked up that injury that was supposed to have him on the sidelines for 4-6 weeks. I think he missed one? I was never impressed with Sutton at any stage so if he is carrying an injury fair enough i am happy to give him another chance. I dont know what to say about Ray. Yes he has always been injury prone, even error prone, but he normally comes good and produces really good performances. He has done absolutely nothing this season. Being brutally honest Ray hasn't had a good patch this season. However, he is a nice guy and we should honour his contract if he wants to stay. Treating players fairly is part of what we want to be.
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+xI’m honestly lost in what players we should sign. We definitely need harder working forwards. King, Knight, Morrin are what we should be after. JFH types would be ideal. No idea what players are available. And An experienced half would help greatly. Nobody available.
IMO we are going nowhere until we sort out the props. Once we have good props we can work on the halfback, we have a couple of young players who might have potential. No one better than Sexton currently off contract and available. Same for prop, unfortunately Dman is right there are no quick fixes on the market. The fact that Gus didn't go all in for Tino or couldn't get Tino tells me we don't have crazy money to spend, Tino was worth spending right up to and a bit beyond our limits. I don't know if we will have the props 2024, 2025 or 2026. Hughes has potential and we have 2 young players with potential, we may still sign 1-2 players good enough to make a difference. For 2024 even a 30% improvement will have us winning a few more games and contending for bottom of the 8. Just missing the 8 would be my guess. For 2025 natural improvement of our young players and 1-2 smart signings could have us in the 8. Winning a comp is 2026 and beyond. If we need to change coach we can set the clock back 2-3 seasons, my optimism above is on the assumption that CC makes the grade.
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+x+xI’m honestly lost in what players we should sign. We definitely need harder working forwards. King, Knight, Morrin are what we should be after. JFH types would be ideal. No idea what players are available. And An experienced half would help greatly. Nobody available.
Not sure if up to date or correct… I’d give Greig from Parra a go… and maybe Jordan McClean for a talent… https://www.zerotackle.com/players/off-contract-2023/by-position-2023/ Royce Hunt from the Skarks impressed me, but more importantly he would make the grade on mad Monday 😆
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+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. So I guess rocket science isn’t rocket science then… Anyone with half a brain can build a rocket!
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+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. Most engineers have a great knowledge of their specific field and unfortunately attempt to use that knowledge in contrasting fields. Mostly resulting in terrible work. You'll love this one then Micko... My thesis was on Optimisation. It's probably why I pinpoint every flaw or deficiency in the Bulldogs playing style. It's ingrained in me. I cannot leave any stone unturned in the quest to better us.
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+xMy point about the refs earlier was simply that it’s not worth discussing. We need to learn to play better to ensure poor decisions don’t cost us games. Absolutely right. Need to take a ref error or two out and of the equation and win anyway.
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+x+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. So I guess rocket science isn’t rocket science then… Anyone with half a brain can build a rocket! Most of them don't make it out of the atmosphere. Some don't make it out of the backyard. Some do make it into the house.
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+x+xMy point about the refs earlier was simply that it’s not worth discussing. We need to learn to play better to ensure poor decisions don’t cost us games. Absolutely right. Need to take a ref error or two out and of the equation and win anyway. I agree. If we are losing 24-20 with a couple of dud ref calls we can blame the ref. If we lose my 30 points or more at least 20 of those points have nothing to do with the ref. Our eyes don't lie, we know that the team simply isn't good enough.
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+x+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. Most engineers have a great knowledge of their specific field and unfortunately attempt to use that knowledge in contrasting fields. Mostly resulting in terrible work. You'll love this one then Micko... My thesis was on Optimisation. It's probably why I pinpoint every flaw or deficiency in the Bulldogs playing style. It's ingrained in me. I cannot leave any stone unturned in the quest to better us. My god you are so full of yourself…
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+x+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. Most engineers have a great knowledge of their specific field and unfortunately attempt to use that knowledge in contrasting fields. Mostly resulting in terrible work. You'll love this one then Micko... My thesis was on Optimisation. It's probably why I pinpoint every flaw or deficiency in the Bulldogs playing style. It's ingrained in me. I cannot leave any stone unturned in the quest to better us. What was that? You can't leave any turn unstoned.
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+x+x+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. Most engineers have a great knowledge of their specific field and unfortunately attempt to use that knowledge in contrasting fields. Mostly resulting in terrible work. You'll love this one then Micko... My thesis was on Optimisation. It's probably why I pinpoint every flaw or deficiency in the Bulldogs playing style. It's ingrained in me. I cannot leave any stone unturned in the quest to better us. What was that? You can't leave any turn unstoned. Can't leave unstonned.... party with Ceech and Chong?
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+x+x+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. Most engineers have a great knowledge of their specific field and unfortunately attempt to use that knowledge in contrasting fields. Mostly resulting in terrible work. You'll love this one then Micko... My thesis was on Optimisation. It's probably why I pinpoint every flaw or deficiency in the Bulldogs playing style. It's ingrained in me. I cannot leave any stone unturned in the quest to better us. What was that? You can't leave any turn unstoned. Lol. That sounds better!
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+x+x+x+xMarki, Rugby League is a simple game the players don't need to be rocket scientists. Rugba Leeg on the other hand.................. Yes you are right ODF. They don't need to be rocket scientists....leave that to me (I actually have a degree in aeronautical eng) But they need to have footy brains. Not enough of our spine players do. In fact not enough of any of our players do. Most engineers have a great knowledge of their specific field and unfortunately attempt to use that knowledge in contrasting fields. Mostly resulting in terrible work. You'll love this one then Micko... My thesis was on Optimisation. It's probably why I pinpoint every flaw or deficiency in the Bulldogs playing style. It's ingrained in me. I cannot leave any stone unturned in the quest to better us. Lol. That does not surprise me at all. Would love to read it.
I think the problem is you have higher standards than is possible in a simple game.
I agree with most of your ideas. I just don’t think they are practical.
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I said afew weeks ago when all the pundits wrote the Roosters off, that they were morals to make the top 8
Reminds me of our 1998 run.
We were 200-1 when I made the call with 5 rounds of regular season to go, that we would make finals and we went within 40mins of winning the thing.
Same as Roosters. Might not make the GF, but you could see they weren't far from stringing it together
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+x+xMy point about the refs earlier was simply that it’s not worth discussing. We need to learn to play better to ensure poor decisions don’t cost us games. Absolutely right. Need to take a ref error or two out and of the equation and win anyway. Exactly. Blaming the refs is easy to do for all us fans. But in reality the team needs to be better.
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+xI said afew weeks ago when all the pundits wrote the Roosters off, that they were morals to make the top 8 Reminds me of our 1998 run. We were 200-1 when I made the call with 5 rounds of regular season to go, that we would make finals and we went within 40mins of winning the thing. Same as Roosters. Might not make the GF, but you could see they weren't far from stringing it together I hate the Chicken fuckers. But they were always going to go close. So much talent. They have a top four team.
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+x+xI said afew weeks ago when all the pundits wrote the Roosters off, that they were morals to make the top 8 Reminds me of our 1998 run. We were 200-1 when I made the call with 5 rounds of regular season to go, that we would make finals and we went within 40mins of winning the thing. Same as Roosters. Might not make the GF, but you could see they weren't far from stringing it together I hate the Chicken fuckers. But they were always going to go close. So much talent. They have a top four team. I was cheering for the Chooks tonight.... might have something to do with who they are playing. In the Semis.... Warriors ...l followed in the distance by the bunker.... not that I like the bunker.
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+xI said afew weeks ago when all the pundits wrote the Roosters off, that they were morals to make the top 8 Reminds me of our 1998 run. We were 200-1 when I made the call with 5 rounds of regular season to go, that we would make finals and we went within 40mins of winning the thing. Same as Roosters. Might not make the GF, but you could see they weren't far from stringing it together 1998 sounds about right for the last time you were right about something…
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+x+x+xI said afew weeks ago when all the pundits wrote the Roosters off, that they were morals to make the top 8 Reminds me of our 1998 run. We were 200-1 when I made the call with 5 rounds of regular season to go, that we would make finals and we went within 40mins of winning the thing. Same as Roosters. Might not make the GF, but you could see they weren't far from stringing it together I hate the Chicken fuckers. But they were always going to go close. So much talent. They have a top four team. I was cheering for the Chooks tonight.... might have something to do with who they are playing. In the Semis.... Warriors ...l followed in the distance by the bunker.... not that I like the bunker. Anyone who cheers for the Rorters deserves to be committed...doesn't matter who they are playing. Tedescu remains the greatest hog of the ball in the game...and perhaps ever seen in the game....
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The excuses flying thick and fast for the flat track bullies…
bwahahahahahahahahahaha…
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+x+x+xI said afew weeks ago when all the pundits wrote the Roosters off, that they were morals to make the top 8 Reminds me of our 1998 run. We were 200-1 when I made the call with 5 rounds of regular season to go, that we would make finals and we went within 40mins of winning the thing. Same as Roosters. Might not make the GF, but you could see they weren't far from stringing it together I hate the Chicken fuckers. But they were always going to go close. So much talent. They have a top four team. I was cheering for the Chooks tonight.... might have something to do with who they are playing. In the Semis.... Warriors ...l followed in the distance by the bunker.... not that I like the bunker. I was hoping for a draw, and 34 suspensions…
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+xThe excuses flying thick and fast for the flat track bullies… bwahahahahahahahahahaha… They don't need excuses, losing is in thier DNA,including the fans,
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+x+x+x+xI said afew weeks ago when all the pundits wrote the Roosters off, that they were morals to make the top 8 Reminds me of our 1998 run. We were 200-1 when I made the call with 5 rounds of regular season to go, that we would make finals and we went within 40mins of winning the thing. Same as Roosters. Might not make the GF, but you could see they weren't far from stringing it together I hate the Chicken fuckers. But they were always going to go close. So much talent. They have a top four team. I was cheering for the Chooks tonight.... might have something to do with who they are playing. In the Semis.... Warriors ...l followed in the distance by the bunker.... not that I like the bunker. Anyone who cheers for the Rorters deserves to be committed...doesn't matter who they are playing. Tedescu remains the greatest hog of the ball in the game...and perhaps ever seen in the game.... It was a momentary lapse, I put it down to pathological hated of the Lemons.
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