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Marki - 26 Apr 2019 11:09 PM
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What annoyed me in the few minutes that he got was that he was so focused on who to pass the ball to next that he nearly forgot to pick it up from dummy before the markers nearly pounced on it. 
It was cringeworthy to watch.

I mean....how long do you have to stare at Tolman before you pass him the ball? It's not like you have variation. You know you will be passing it to him, and so does the defence. 

And what pray tell is not cringeworthy for you to watch. And naturally you malign Tolman too. You want 13 Ben Barbas circa 2012 in the team. There is no doubt Tolman is one of the most valuable players in the team and that would be from the point of view of the 16 other players and the coach and all the training staff. Notice who is talking to the players both when we score and concede a try.

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What would be alluring about something that smells like tobacco or tobaccy as Gabby Hayes used to say
Aromas of currant, cherry and tobacco give way to a palate of dark berries, vanilla and cedar. Enjoy velvety tannins on the finish. This bottle says BBQ!

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Looks like we have finally got some recruitment right for a change. CHN and Napa are looking like solid business to me and long term prospects for us and Meaney and Cogger are certainly representing value for money at this stage. 
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Steveswr1 - 27 Apr 2019 9:03 AM
Marki - 26 Apr 2019 11:09 PM

And what pray tell is not cringeworthy for you to watch. And naturally you malign Tolman too. You want 13 Ben Barbas circa 2012 in the team. There is no doubt Tolman is one of the most valuable players in the team and that would be from the point of view of the 16 other players and the coach and all the training staff. Notice who is talking to the players both when we score and concede a try.

Wasnt having a go at Tolman. He was good last couple of games. Not his fault the pass from dummy half 5m out from the line comes to him. It's the hookers fault who dont use him as the decoy. 

My frustration was aimed at Lichaa who was so slow in picking up the ball because he was still looking left and right for the next player to pass to. 

A more instinctive player would either know already or just take the run himself. Lichaa is too pre-programmed. He has no instincts. None. 

I bet if he was driving and a roo jumped out in front of him, he would have no idea how to react. He'll probably still look to pass the get ball!
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Witnit - 27 Apr 2019 11:05 AM
Looks like we have finally got some recruitment right for a change. CHN and Napa are looking like solid business to me and long term prospects for us and Meaney and Cogger are certainly representing value for money at this stage. 

The step up from Meaney and Cogger to get more involved in attack was very good. Kudos to the coaches for that.

Now it's a matter for them to maintain it.
Lewis is a good young half that gets through a mountain of defence. You cant expect him to be the sole focal point in attack. With no attack from the hookers, its imperative Cogger and Meaney support and take some pressure off him. Even Martin at lock is helping.
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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 12:29 PM
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Wasnt having a go at Tolman. He was good last couple of games. Not his fault the pass from dummy half 5m out from the line comes to him. It's the hookers fault who dont use him as the decoy. 

My frustration was aimed at Lichaa who was so slow in picking up the ball because he was still looking left and right for the next player to pass to. 

A more instinctive player would either know already or just take the run himself. Lichaa is too pre-programmed. He has no instincts. None. 

I bet if he was driving and a roo jumped out in front of him, he would have no idea how to react. He'll probably still look to pass the get ball!

Well that is a first (re Tolman)...my point re Lichaa is twofold. Firstly Marshall-King doesn't strike me as being fatigued to the point of dropping....a la Ray Price Secondly he is on field for 15 minutes and if nothing else props up the middle...something that you think we would need when in the lead. Why even mention him? Things are not in perspective at all

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Steveswr1 - 27 Apr 2019 12:34 PM
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Well that is a first (re Tolman)...my point re Lichaa is twofold. Firstly Marshall-King doesn't strike me as being fatigued to the point of dropping....a la Ray Price Secondly he is on field for 15 minutes and if nothing else props up the middle...something that you think we would need when in the lead. Why even mention him? Things are not in perspective at all

The use of Lichaa for the last 15 or so minutes has been questioned by afew already. I'm questioning the use of him at all. I'd rather any second rower or even Tolman be used to cover for a fatigued or injured JMK. 
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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 12:46 PM
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The use of Lichaa for the last 15 or so minutes has been questioned by afew already. I'm questioning the use of him at all. I'd rather any second rower or even Tolman be used to cover for a fatigued or injured JMK. 

No one is above having their role or capabilities questioned... and the simple fact of the matter is lich despite his solid defence both as a starter and bench player brings absolutely zero to our attack, often in fact stifles it...
And again despite his solid D, I'd rather not see him on with 15 to go to shore up the D or protect a lead, for mine that move is an indicator we have shut up shop and decide to stop playing footy.. how often do we see teams try to protect a lead and blow the game...
We have also seen this season, that if we are 6-12 down, he's not the guy to help us claw those points back...

its ta not his fault he gets picked, and I'm sure he's a lovely bloke.

If JMK is injured, Martin did OK in his short stint at hooker on reggies, or Harry would handle it moving say a CHN to a running 6, or holland to 9 with CHN/Martin to centre the most likely...

i don't believe we are in a position where we have the luxury of wasting a bench spot for a bloke that only plays very limited minutes and can only cover 1 position..

Have really enjoyed the effort from the boys in the last month other than Drags game.
They def look like they're playing for each other and the coach. Some youngsters starting to really stand up, CHN will be a beast when he finally puts 80 together, and our two best to come back soon. 

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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 12:46 PM
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The use of Lichaa for the last 15 or so minutes has been questioned by afew already. I'm questioning the use of him at all. I'd rather any second rower or even Tolman be used to cover for a fatigued or injured JMK. 

Horses for courses. 

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Horses for courses. 

If JMK can't play 80 we need a bench hooker, I don't like the idea of shifting a Tolman or Martin there to cover fatigue... JMK looks like he's not far off 80 quality mins...
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Manly, knights and Titans next 3 weeks... on lads let's string a few together and get right back on the hunt for the 8...
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dman2018 - 27 Apr 2019 2:27 PM
Manly, knights and Titans next 3 weeks... on lads let's string a few together and get right back on the hunt for the 8...

Manly is the big one.... a win does a lot for the confidence of your players, I'm liking the effort and team spirit.

When Foran comes back we can move Cogger to the bench instead of Lichaa, he will handle the role and give us valuable cover in the halves....

Playing 80 mins in reserve grade for a few weeks will be the best thing for Lichaa, he needs confidence and he need to start playing his own game... the drop in standard will help him. As he is in the squad for this year, getting back to at least being a reasonable contributor would be handy, his confidence looks shot at present..
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tony v_2 - 27 Apr 2019 3:20 PM
christon criten playing good making meters eaters galor in his wing his a ro bust today 

Dogs 14  Warriors 10 at half  time...

It would be good to win reserve grade.... this might be a great weekend for the club...
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One of life's cruel twists is that someone with an amazing footy brain like me just never got the opportunity to play the game....yet numerous braindead blokes do.....

Nit singling out anyone in particular but the amount of stupidity I see on the footy field makes me shake my head. Either some players are just dumb or they dont realise what they can or cannot do. 
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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 4:32 PM
One of life's cruel twists is that someone with an amazing footy brain like me just never got the opportunity to play the game....yet numerous braindead blokes do.....

Nit singling out anyone in particular but the amount of stupidity I see on the footy field makes me shake my head. Either some players are just dumb or they dont realise what they can or cannot do. 

You can't be a couch potato with a great football brain but no self humility problems

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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 4:32 PM
One of life's cruel twists is that someone with an amazing footy brain like me just never got the opportunity to play the game....yet numerous braindead blokes do.....

Nit singling out anyone in particular but the amount of stupidity I see on the footy field makes me shake my head. Either some players are just dumb or they dont realise what they can or cannot do. 

Playing the game involves a fair amount of pain, that is why a lot of the smarter blokes quit :) 

I did actually have 2 mates (/acquaintances) who were very smart and also top footy players, with a career and some other distractions, they never made it to NRL level.
One did play reserve grade, and did have what it took, he also probably topped year 12 maths  at our school and was also a very good swimmer, all of the family were in the surf-lifesaving club.
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Renouf T..... an absolute 1st grader 

Morgan H.... will be a gun once he packs on a little more meat

Kayne K..... he’s bloody good

Christian C..... much better



Great win by the Dogs reggies after a couple of really poor losses 
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Reserves won 22-16 -good result
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hounddog - 27 Apr 2019 4:43 PM
Reserves won 22-16 -good result

From the relatively few games of NSW cup games I've seen in the last 2 years, I reckon our reserves play a better type of game than first grade. 

Defensive line speed is better. Attack is deeper with more players in motion and more variety - especially close to the line. No wonder they had success last year. Consistency is probably their Achilles heel.  

Transforming that kind of play to the speed and intensity of first grade is the biggest hurdle for the players when they are given the step up. 
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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 4:32 PM
One of life's cruel twists is that someone with an amazing footy brain like me just never got the opportunity to play the game....yet numerous braindead blokes do.....

Nit singling out anyone in particular but the amount of stupidity I see on the footy field makes me shake my head. Either some players are just dumb or they dont realise what they can or cannot do. 

Wow...
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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 5:41 PM
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From the relatively few games of NSW cup games I've seen in the last 2 years, I reckon our reserves play a better type of game than first grade. 

Defensive line speed is better. Attack is deeper with more players in motion and more variety - especially close to the line. No wonder they had success last year. Consistency is probably their Achilles heel.  

Transforming that kind of play to the speed and intensity of first grade is the biggest hurdle for the players when they are given the step up. 

So you didn't like the NRL attack this week?

I've seen a lot of reserve grade, it is called reserve grade for a reason... generally defence is a lot softer than the NRL, stupid unforced errors and bad decisions are higher.

NRL standard players like Renouf T stand out in that grade... but some of every team is real reserve graders...
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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 4:32 PM
One of life's cruel twists is that someone with an amazing footy brain like me just never got the opportunity to play the game....yet numerous braindead blokes do.....

Nit singling out anyone in particular but the amount of stupidity I see on the footy field makes me shake my head. Either some players are just dumb or they dont realise what they can or cannot do. 

I'll add to "wow"...
If youve called for Tolman to start, or fill in at hooker cos the starting 9 is fatigued, a great footy brain you're not...
Re 'dumb or realisation' yeah some are and don't, but you need to acknowledge what pressure can do to people's heads too...
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Marki - 27 Apr 2019 5:41 PM
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From the relatively few games of NSW cup games I've seen in the last 2 years, I reckon our reserves play a better type of game than first grade. 

Defensive line speed is better. Attack is deeper with more players in motion and more variety - especially close to the line. No wonder they had success last year. Consistency is probably their Achilles heel.  

Transforming that kind of play to the speed and intensity of first grade is the biggest hurdle for the players when they are given the step up. 

I'll retract my previous statement... obviously someone that has only seen a couple of games of reggies and maybe most of our FG games, and is then able to come to such a conclusion in addition to stating the obvious rebatepping up is a great footy mind...



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hounddog - 27 Apr 2019 6:24 PM
Marki - 27 Apr 2019 5:41 PM
generally defence is a lot softer than the NRL, stupid unforced errors and bad decisions are higher.


If only they had a whole bunch of footy smart players like Marki never was... 
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