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nodster - 27 May 2019 6:26 PM
Nancy - 27 May 2019 2:20 PM

You obviously have a thing in for Cogger.
Great to see Lewis in form. When he did have his worst days he was worse than Cogger.
Both he and Cogger have had to play behind a dominated pack with slow play the balls, no set plays, no angle runners except Jacko doing a burner, no centres who make a break. Lewis is a great defender but rarely runs and indeed seems to panic when he has no one to pass to.
They both are unfortunately being rated on not only a dominated pack, but a lack of a game plan.

As I said yesterday, the Storm had leaked only 2 tries all year on JAC's side but our plan was to play that side.
The Storm had leaked 17 tries through the right edge, but no plays except one outs. Then BINGO, an offload and a try.
Crichton was having a blinder in the 1st half. Had one ball in the 2nd half.
Smith could be the best winger in the NRL. Who would know, he doesn't get a go. Ditto Meaney.

Tactics are abominable. Really, Tolman is a laughing stock among supporters of other teams. Gets the ball so often and many times when the go button has been pressed only to die with the ball on tackles 3,4 or 5, sometimes two of them. What other team does this with a player who is only a defender. Yet Ogden always puts a dent in the defensive line but plays about 30-35 minutes, behind Danny F and Napa.

Seems like Desball wasn't all that bad.

That is my rant.

BTW Steve and Moolooladog feels like about 1962-1964 watching all this. (1962 only 1 win).

Should be 1964 only one win.

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nodster - 27 May 2019 6:26 PM
Nancy - 27 May 2019 2:20 PM

You obviously have a thing in for Cogger.
Great to see Lewis in form. When he did have his worst days he was worse than Cogger.
Both he and Cogger have had to play behind a dominated pack with slow play the balls, no set plays, no angle runners except Jacko doing a burner, no centres who make a break. Lewis is a great defender but rarely runs and indeed seems to panic when he has no one to pass to.
They both are unfortunately being rated on not only a dominated pack, but a lack of a game plan.

As I said yesterday, the Storm had leaked only 2 tries all year on JAC's side but our plan was to play that side.
The Storm had leaked 17 tries through the right edge, but no plays except one outs. Then BINGO, an offload and a try.
Crichton was having a blinder in the 1st half. Had one ball in the 2nd half.
Smith could be the best winger in the NRL. Who would know, he doesn't get a go. Ditto Meaney.

Tactics are abominable. Really, Tolman is a laughing stock among supporters of other teams. Gets the ball so often and many times when the go button has been pressed only to die with the ball on tackles 3,4 or 5, sometimes two of them. What other team does this with a player who is only a defender. Yet Ogden always puts a dent in the defensive line but plays about 30-35 minutes, behind Danny F and Napa.

Seems like Desball wasn't all that bad.

That is my rant.

BTW Steve and Moolooladog feels like about 1962-1964 watching all this. (1962 only 1 win).

1962 was a tad early for me...a small tad but I always say I had to go to 5 games before I saw a win...nowadays a so called fan would follow 3 different teams if they didn't have a win in 5 games. I think Cogger's 5th tackle options were made to appear worse by the fact no one was coming through to challenge the Melbourne catcher. The kicks were not high enough or swirly enough to present them with great difficulty. One thing that stood out yesterday was how big the Melbourne players were compared to our team.

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nodster - 27 May 2019 6:26 PM
Nancy - 27 May 2019 2:20 PM

You obviously have a thing in for Cogger.
Great to see Lewis in form. When he did have his worst days he was worse than Cogger.
Both he and Cogger have had to play behind a dominated pack with slow play the balls, no set plays, no angle runners except Jacko doing a burner, no centres who make a break. Lewis is a great defender but rarely runs and indeed seems to panic when he has no one to pass to.
They both are unfortunately being rated on not only a dominated pack, but a lack of a game plan.

As I said yesterday, the Storm had leaked only 2 tries all year on JAC's side but our plan was to play that side.
The Storm had leaked 17 tries through the right edge, but no plays except one outs. Then BINGO, an offload and a try.
Crichton was having a blinder in the 1st half. Had one ball in the 2nd half.
Smith could be the best winger in the NRL. Who would know, he doesn't get a go. Ditto Meaney.

Tactics are abominable. Really, Tolman is a laughing stock among supporters of other teams. Gets the ball so often and many times when the go button has been pressed only to die with the ball on tackles 3,4 or 5, sometimes two of them. What other team does this with a player who is only a defender. Yet Ogden always puts a dent in the defensive line but plays about 30-35 minutes, behind Danny F and Napa.

Seems like Desball wasn't all that bad.

That is my rant.

BTW Steve and Moolooladog feels like about 1962-1964 watching all this. (1962 only 1 win).

I agree with most of this..

As I see things Lewis is a definite NRL player, Cogger a probable NRL player.
Cogger is a definite halfback Lewis is a possible halfback....
Whatever his limitations Cogger is the first real half back we have had since Kimmorley.
The only other genuine halfback option at the club who might be even better is Wakeham, having Cogger allows us to not rush Wakeham.
I think if we could replace Foran with a running utility who can cover 5/8, fullback, centre and wing, we would have a better balanced side, Lomax looks like the guy to me.  

It is a shame Jacko & Tolman are stuff up a lot of our attack, as their defence, leadership, work rate and commitment can;t be questioned. 

I think Napa and Odgen should be the starting props one of Jacko or Tolman should be 13, with the other one coming off the bench.

Apart from that we just need a good 9. If think the right 9 can fix 90% of our problems,. The right or wrong pass from dummy half sets the tone for a play, a sequence of good options, is way better than a sequence of bad options. It needs skill and most importantly brains... we can't have a fill in player in this position.
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nodster - 27 May 2019 6:26 PM
Nancy - 27 May 2019 2:20 PM

You obviously have a thing in for Cogger.
Great to see Lewis in form. When he did have his worst days he was worse than Cogger.
Both he and Cogger have had to play behind a dominated pack with slow play the balls, no set plays, no angle runners except Jacko doing a burner, no centres who make a break. Lewis is a great defender but rarely runs and indeed seems to panic when he has no one to pass to.
They both are unfortunately being rated on not only a dominated pack, but a lack of a game plan.

As I said yesterday, the Storm had leaked only 2 tries all year on JAC's side but our plan was to play that side.
The Storm had leaked 17 tries through the right edge, but no plays except one outs. Then BINGO, an offload and a try.
Crichton was having a blinder in the 1st half. Had one ball in the 2nd half.
Smith could be the best winger in the NRL. Who would know, he doesn't get a go. Ditto Meaney.

Tactics are abominable. Really, Tolman is a laughing stock among supporters of other teams. Gets the ball so often and many times when the go button has been pressed only to die with the ball on tackles 3,4 or 5, sometimes two of them. What other team does this with a player who is only a defender. Yet Ogden always puts a dent in the defensive line but plays about 30-35 minutes, behind Danny F and Napa.

Seems like Desball wasn't all that bad.

That is my rant.

BTW Steve and Moolooladog feels like about 1962-1964 watching all this. (1962 only 1 win).

1962.  We one the pre season comp on the back of Barry Smith's try.  Maybe we need pre season  mid week comps, anything to give us an alternative where the big boys don't really care
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hounddog - 27 May 2019 7:14 PM
nodster - 27 May 2019 6:26 PM

I agree with most of this..

As I see things Lewis is a definite NRL player, Cogger a probable NRL player.
Cogger is a definite halfback Lewis is a possible halfback....
Whatever his limitations Cogger is the first real half back we have had since Kimmorley.
The only other genuine halfback option at the club who might be even better is Wakeham, having Cogger allows us to not rush Wakeham.
I think if we could replace Foran with a running utility who can cover 5/8, fullback, centre and wing, we would have a better balanced side, Lomax looks like the guy to me.  

It is a shame Jacko & Tolman are stuff up a lot of our attack, as their defence, leadership, work rate and commitment can;t be questioned. 

I think Napa and Odgen should be the starting props one of Jacko or Tolman should be 13, with the other one coming off the bench.

Apart from that we just need a good 9. If think the right 9 can fix 90% of our problems,. The right or wrong pass from dummy half sets the tone for a play, a sequence of good options, is way better than a sequence of bad options. It needs skill and most importantly brains... we can't have a fill in player in this position.

Agree,
Dummy half is the quarterback..
Unfortunately we don't have a real 9. I reckon Tolman gets the ball sometimes because JMK just looks and he is there.
I honestly think Cogger and or Lewis don't have the 9 or players around them to succeed. They have the ability.

Give youngsters like Roumanos or Harper or even Hetherington a run. Other teams are playing 18 and 19 year olds.
What to lose.

  

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I just seen the Reggies highlights..... what was great to see was the offloading & support play = Plenty Of Points Scored

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What I don't understand is, if we as ordinary passionate supporters see so many alternative options within the players we have, then why are the people in charge ignoring these options. Because if we can see them, then surely they do also.
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Plus as nodster pointed out, Melbournes left edge has been a fortress all year so why would the players continually attack that side. Did they think that for some inexplicable reason they may be able to buck the trend. It wasn't one of our most intelligent performances this year.
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Hands up those who wanted to sign Seggy...
bwahahaha...
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Hands up who said we just simply had to have a bulldog as a coach...
bwahahahaha!!!!

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dman2018 - 27 May 2019 11:29 PM
Hands up those who wanted to sign Seggy...
bwahahaha...


Mate, I would have signed up Salim Mahajer just for the sake of signing someone...


He could have built us a 30,000 seat stadium on a 400sq metre block of land
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Here we go

Aston Villa vs Derby


Winner goes to the Premier League........ 


Please Villa, give this Bulldogs fan a little something to cheer about in 90mins time
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I saw Marki at Wembley dressed in a Derby jersey..... I knew it would Villa’s night!!!!
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Villi - 28 May 2019 2:24 AM
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You bloody beauty......

I saw Marki at Wembley dressed in a Derby jersey..... I knew it would Villa’s night!!!!

Saw the 2nd half, big match, huge packed venue, but fairly ordinary contest. The 2nd AV goal was a lucky slow deflection most other goalies would've stopped if they were awake. When Derby clawed back to 1-2 that's when it came alive & got more interesting during the last 20mins. Even then both teams were only creating half chances & only being half good enough to do anything with those chances. Glad to see AV back in the EPL for their efforts but I can't see them winning 8 in a row next season like they managed against 2nd tier sides to get back in. All they need now is a dedicated fan to help with signing suggestions...I could've sworn I heard one yell out "technical loss" though...

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Villi - 27 May 2019 11:52 PM
dman2018 - 27 May 2019 11:29 PM


Mate, I would have signed up Salim Mahajer just for the sake of signing someone...


He could have built us a 30,000 seat stadium on a 400sq metre block of land

Hahaha!!!...
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Villi - 27 May 2019 11:52 PM
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Mate, I would have signed up Salim Mahajer just for the sake of signing someone...


He could have built us a 30,000 seat stadium on a 400sq metre block of land

Can he play hooker?
.
If we demolish that new Parra stadium, we can build our stadium there.
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BloodyNora - 28 May 2019 5:42 AM
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Saw the 2nd half, big match, huge packed venue, but fairly ordinary contest. The 2nd AV goal was a lucky slow deflection most other goalies would've stopped if they were awake. When Derby clawed back to 1-2 that's when it came alive & got more interesting during the last 20mins. Even then both teams were only creating half chances & only being half good enough to do anything with those chances. Glad to see AV back in the EPL for their efforts but I can't see them winning 8 in a row next season like they managed against 2nd tier sides to get back in. All they need now is a dedicated fan to help with signing suggestions...I could've sworn I heard one yell out "technical loss" though...

BN.... you watch, 90% of the Villa team come game 1 back in the EPL will he unrecognisable 

They will splash the cash. 



Wheres Mitch Newton?

Villa did it mate..... 
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Villi - 27 May 2019 11:52 PM

Can he play hooker?
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If we demolish that new Parra stadium, we can build our stadium there.

Another skill attributable to the Uni of Notre Dib, jobs for the cuzzies...
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On a good note i like 2 congradulate 
the greatest bulldog of them all
stevei mortimer being inducted into 
the blues hall of fame along with
tommy rodonikus
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On Seggy, read this morning the joke that is NRLol Leadership allowed him to play without being registered...
Just gotsta have a QLD team in the finals for ratings eh???...

#todd&comustgo...
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What time is TTTs pressed today to hail Seggy as brace for drink driving?...

#todd&comustgo...
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dman2018 - 28 May 2019 7:09 AM
On Seggy, read this morning the joke that is NRLol Leadership allowed him to play without being registered...
Just gotsta have a QLD team in the finals for ratings eh???...

#todd&comustgo...

That is a bigger issue for the game than his drink driving charge. 

He blew less than 0.05 but only got done coz he was on P's. Still illegal based on road rules but hardly a life threatening act. 

The games integrity for allowing a non registered player though.....
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That is a bigger issue for the game than his drink driving charge. 

He blew less than 0.05 but only got done coz he was on P's. Still illegal based on road rules but hardly a life threatening act. 

The games integrity for allowing a non registered player though.....

It's an absolute joke... if it were us we'd be docked points and fined...

id date say a 28 year old bloke is still on Ps for a reason....
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Don't be so harsh on the NRLol..... as Greame Annersley pointed out, he was registered verbally just not officially and that is just a mere formality according to the NRLol.
You know the mantra " let the game flow" so why not follow with "let the rules flow".......... For the good of the image of the game of course!!!!!


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Villi - 28 May 2019 6:49 AM

BN.... you watch, 90% of the Villa team come game 1 back in the EPL will he unrecognisable 

They will splash the cash. 



Wheres Mitch Newton?

Villa did it mate..... 

Mitch must've had the sense to get some sleep, unlike me, I kept going so I'll pay for it later in the day. It was by fluke I woke up in time for the 2nd half.

It was a massive match though. I was surprised to see one of Prince Charles sons smiling & cheering at the end as loud as anyone. Plenty of passion from the supporters there & it seemed bigger than any NRL grand final. 

It's tough for any club being knocked out of EPL into the 2nd tier & AV have done well to get back so soon, the better players leave & everything has to be built up again with a smaller budget, mind you for the first year or two they were out it didn't look like they'd be back any time soon. 

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Villi - 28 May 2019 6:49 AM
BloodyNora - 28 May 2019 5:42 AM

BN.... you watch, 90% of the Villa team come game 1 back in the EPL will he unrecognisable 

They will splash the cash. 



Wheres Mitch Newton?

Villa did it mate..... 

Andy Carroll might be available :)
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dman2018 - 27 May 2019 11:38 PM
Hands up who said we just simply had to have a bulldog as a coach...
bwahahahaha!!!!

While I was basically in the "anyone but Des camp", they didn't have to be a Bulldog and Pay wasn't the only option..

Pay is a good enough coach for this rebuilding phase...

* A lot of top coaches don't do rebuilds, if there is an easier option available - Bennett for starters, others probably don't state it.
* No one could win a comp with the current squad, or do much better than we are doing... 

Pluses for Pay:-
* Doing a good job with recruitment and retention.
* Given young players a chance.
* making the right number of team changes at about the right time,,,
* passing and other skills much improved.

Negatives for Pay:-
* defence was a shambles at the start of the season .... slow to fix defensive problems.
* consistent problem getting the team to start games well.
* might to too soft on players ,,, offers excuses in public (I hope it is different in private, but again this needs balance)
* attack looks disorganised a lot of the time... (a lot of this could be the 9/7, and Tolman getting in the way) 
* attack drifted away form the better style we started with (also happened with Des)

The executive summary is that the right time to make the call on Pay is this time next year, not only is that very fair in giving him a reasonable chance, if he isn't the guy for the job, he has done the hard part of the rebuild, and we are more attractive to other coaches.
I can't see him doing any damage unless the team loses confidence, he either has answers or he doesn't, unlike Des at least he isn't afraid to try a few things and change the team.
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Villi - 28 May 2019 6:49 AM
BloodyNora - 28 May 2019 5:42 AM

BN.... you watch, 90% of the Villa team come game 1 back in the EPL will he unrecognisable 

They will splash the cash. 



Wheres Mitch Newton?

Villa did it mate..... 

I'm hear buddy.
They did but not before giving us a great scare. Those 7mins of injury time felt like 70.
El Ghazi and Elmo were brilliant.
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BloodyNora - 28 May 2019 9:08 AM
Villi - 28 May 2019 6:49 AM

Mitch must've had the sense to get some sleep, unlike me, I kept going so I'll pay for it later in the day. It was by fluke I woke up in time for the 2nd half.

It was a massive match though. I was surprised to see one of Prince Charles sons smiling & cheering at the end as loud as anyone. Plenty of passion from the supporters there & it seemed bigger than any NRL grand final. 

It's tough for any club being knocked out of EPL into the 2nd tier & AV have done well to get back so soon, the better players leave & everything has to be built up again with a smaller budget, mind you for the first year or two they were out it didn't look like they'd be back any time soon. 

Nah mate i was still buzzing at 3am then when i finally slept my boy woke me up at 6.30 but i couldn't care less.
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hounddog - 28 May 2019 9:10 AM
Villi - 28 May 2019 6:49 AM

Andy Carroll might be available :)

I can't believe this didn't get a nibble from Villi .. he isn't Will Chambers... and he is fit enough to occasionally play a game.
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