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nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:24 PM
Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:21 PM

We were murdered up the middle. Which gave them the space on the fringes.

I am not a Tolman fan but he dose do a lot of defensive work and has a great motor. 
Other forwards tonight played his attacking role.
Just part of the bulldogs game plan It seems.

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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:18 PM
Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:07 PM

Lewis has good defensive technique but makes abysmal decisions, he puts young Averillo and Meaney under pressure.

I feel sorry for Averillo, Lewis regularly gave him a 3 on 2 and Meaney rarely manages to tackle anyone.

So yes on occasions Averillo didn't manage to tackle 3 blokes, one of them being Teddy.

The rot always starts in the middle our starting props were like under 15s playing grown men.
Sue at least runs hard in attack, defensively he is no better than Napa.

Backrowers get sucked into helping in the middle, not 100% sure. But I don't remember any authoritative tackles from our props.

The 2 glaring ruck issues we have is that we dont roll-on in attack, and we cant seem to restrict teams in defence. 

I dont know if it's our tackling technique or just slow defence line speed or just low I.Q players in the ruck or inefficient rotation of player energy around the ruck. Whatever it is, we need to figure it out and fix it. 

I feel it's easier to fix our attack then the defence. To fix the defence means you're already top 4 material. That comes with a set playing roster, match fitness and coordinated defence along with halves that can control game tempo. 

But theres no reason we cant fix the attack side.



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I would throw Wakeham into the halves as we can play Averillo on the wing.

I wish we had some good young Forwads...

Renouf and RFM are good, Elliott is good, Jacko is great but getting a bit old, no one else seems worthy of a mention. The British Bulldog will help.

Buggered if I know why we didn't sign Billy Brittian he is probably a significant upgrade on JMK in attack and also good in defence.

He isn't getting a shot at the Dragons, but there are good players keeping him out. He seems destined to play reserve grade because the club has a better player.



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It's times like this that the value of the NSW cup is felt
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:27 PM
nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:24 PM

Marki hasn't played footy .....

I haven't played any grade footy, but I have the uncanny knowledge and prediction of how to defend any sort of attack. I see things before they are even done.

I even call them out at the footy before they are done and the crowd around me is dumbfounded as to how I know the play before it happens.

Wish our players had even 50% of what I see....
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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:28 PM
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The 2 glaring ruck issues we have is that we dont roll-on in attack, and we cant seem to restrict teams in defence. 

I dont know if it's our tackling technique or just slow defence line speed or just low I.Q players in the ruck or inefficient rotation of player energy around the ruck. Whatever it is, we need to figure it out and fix it. 

I feel it's easier to fix our attack then the defence. To fix the defence means you're already top 4 material. That comes with a set playing roster, match fitness and coordinated defence along with halves that can control game tempo. 

But theres no reason we cant fix the attack side.



The way to get dominance at the ruck is win the collision.

It is also essential to win a fair share of posession and not make silly errors.

And you need mobile high work rate  players to fix up others mistakes.

Lewis is a liability on the edge but might be great in the middle, not many decisions to make in the middle, just tackle the guy with the ball.
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Hoppa
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DWZ
Averillo

Foran
Wakeham

Napa
Katoa
Ogden
RFM
Jackson
Elliott

Holland
Renouf
Tolman
Sue

That should be the team to take on the Sharks next game.... Pay needs to drop poor performers especially his favourites like JMK 


Newsreader, Britt, JMK seriously add zilch to the 1st grade team and should be dropped!

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Marki - 15 Jun 2020 9:39 PM
hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:27 PM

I haven't played any grade footy, but I have the uncanny knowledge and prediction of how to defend any sort of attack. I see things before they are even done.

I even call them out at the footy before they are done and the crowd around me is dumbfounded as to how I know the play before it happens.

Wish our players had even 50% of what I see....

Well that's a winning argument .... 😁
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nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:27 PM
nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:24 PM

I am not a Tolman fan but he dose do a lot of defensive work and has a great motor. 
Other forwards tonight played his attacking role.
Just part of the bulldogs game plan It seems.

I blame JMK and our halves who just dont demand the ball and at the very least, turn it back inside to an angled runner. It's like we wait for the 4 hitups and then they get it on last for a kick or a Foran run
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 9:41 PM
Hoppa
Smith
Harper
DWZ
Averillo

Foran
Wakeham

Napa
Katoa
Ogden
RFM
Jackson
Elliott

Holland
Renouf
Tolman
Sue

That should be the team to take on the Sharks next game.... Pay needs to drop poor performers especially his favourites like JMK 


Newsreader, Britt, JMK seriously add zilch to the 1st grade team and should be dropped!

I'll have to rewatch the game to see why JMK was so bad, not sure I want to do that.

Normally he defends well and tries hard, he made a few runs, he doesn't spark much attack.

Tols is probably out against the Sharks, that is an easier game.

Fixing the major problems and cutting down errors might be sufficient.
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 9:41 PM
Hoppa
Smith
Harper
DWZ
Averillo

Foran
Wakeham

Napa
Katoa
Ogden
RFM
Jackson
Elliott

Holland
Renouf
Tolman
Sue

That should be the team to take on the Sharks next game.... Pay needs to drop poor performers especially his favourites like JMK 


Newsreader, Britt, JMK seriously add zilch to the 1st grade team and should be dropped!

The Sharks game is very winnable.
We need to be better prepared and not fall behind on scoreboard early. In fact getting on the scoreboard first should be our priority. With scoreboard pressure, we can back our defence. But once a team gets to a 12 point lead or more, the game is as good as gone. 
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:46 PM
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I'll have to rewatch the game to see why JMK was so bad, not sure I want to do that.

Normally he defends well and tries hard, he made a few runs, he doesn't spark much attack.

Tols is probably out against the Sharks, that is an easier game.

Fixing the major problem and cutting down errors might be sufficient.

Lichaa did 50 tackles a game.... JMK is our next Lichaa because he offers nothing else 

Like Lichaa, JMK doesn’t dominate a tackle, rather grabs a hold of the opposition player for dear life whilst conceding a number of metres. 

For a guy who was a star touch footy player... he hasn’t got an ounce of any attacking nous

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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 9:49 PM
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Lichaa did 50 tackles a game.... JMK is our next Lichaa because he offers nothing else 

Like Lichaa, JMK doesn’t dominate a tackle, rather grabs a hold of the opposition player for dear life whilst conceding a number of metres. 

For a guy who was a star touch footy player... he hasn’t got an ounce of any attacking nous

I haven't seen much to suggest Katoa is better but only 1 way to find out.

I  would be inclined to move Lewis first then see how the team goes with 2 proper halves.

Pay perhaps gives players too many chances, but we don't have a lot of quality options.
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 9:49 PM
hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:46 PM

Lichaa did 50 tackles a game.... JMK is our next Lichaa because he offers nothing else 

Like Lichaa, JMK doesn’t dominate a tackle, rather grabs a hold of the opposition player for dear life whilst conceding a number of metres. 

For a guy who was a star touch footy player... he hasn’t got an ounce of any attacking nous

I agree on both counts. 
He has been a disappointment.
Once again I blame Des for letting Cooky go.

It really shits me that Harper will go to Manly and along with DCE and Turbo will look great and make Des look like a sound talent spotter....
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nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:27 PM
nodster - 15 Jun 2020 9:24 PM

I am not a Tolman fan but he dose do a lot of defensive work and has a great motor. 
Other forwards tonight played his attacking role.
Just part of the bulldogs game plan It seems.

In that case I'm sure Tolman will be in hot demand when we release him at years end and wont make the club feel bad by letting him go.....
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Lewis isn’t in the line and the team doesn’t react quick enough.... try no1

The Newsreader goes for the intercept but fails miserably ... he should have caught the bloody ball, two flick passes later (due to numerous roosters in support).... try no2

Hoppa fails to take a bomb.... few tackles later try no3

We made the roosters look like Real Madrid for the first 20mins... then again with so many missed tackles in the last 20mins

Sitipili or whatever his name is strolls thru the middle making light work of Napa’s, RFM & JMK’s efforts with ease and passes to Teddy... try No4


Poor coaching, terrible team selections and a skills coach that’s coaching fark all skills into a group of players is to blame 
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:35 PM
I would throw Wakeham into the halves as we can play Averillo on the wing.

I wish we had some good young Forwads...

Renouf and RFM are good, Elliott is good, Jacko is great but getting a bit old, no one else seems worthy of a mention. The British Bulldog will help.

Buggered if I know why we didn't sign Billy Brittian he is probably a significant upgrade on JMK in attack and also good in defence.

He isn't getting a shot at the Dragons, but there are good players keeping him out. He seems destined to play reserve grade because the club has a better player.



You want Averillo closer to the ball. It further 
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:46 PM
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I'll have to rewatch the game to see why JMK was so bad, not sure I want to do that.

Normally he defends well and tries hard, he made a few runs, he doesn't spark much attack.

Tols is probably out against the Sharks, that is an easier game.

Fixing the major problems and cutting down errors might be sufficient.

Who knows.... maybe the Tongan connection between Hoppa & Katoa might work or at least give us another dimension to our shitty attack 

Surely it’s worth a try for a few games at least
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 10:23 PM
hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:46 PM

Who knows.... maybe the Tongan connection between Hoppa & Katoa might work or at least give us another dimension to our shitty attack 

Surely it’s worth a try for a few games at least

Worth a try. We've got a half and experienced hooker dummy half just sitting around.

I'm just at a loss for words with how our club is going atm. Going into hiding again :)
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The Roosters toyed with us so much, made most of our players look like circus clowns during the game..... they didn’t even bother huddling up with us after game to salute the BLM movement like all other teams did in Rd5

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Villi - 16 Jun 2020 3:38 AM
The Roosters toyed with us so much, made most of our players look like circus clowns during the game..... they didn’t even bother huddling up with us after game to salute the BLM movement like all other teams did in Rd5

About time they stopped that crap.

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Phil rothfield writting the bulldogs need 2 make a decision in 
the next 2 weeks on there coach as the club is speaking with a few high profile players & the question is who is coaching the team ? Rothfield also saying that the if the club 
sticks with pay it will be hard 2 get players unless they pay overs , gee what a read , averillo let the 1st to try’s in his a centres ass nope to him been there 
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Villi - 15 Jun 2020 10:08 PM
Lewis isn’t in the line and the team doesn’t react quick enough.... try no1

The Newsreader goes for the intercept but fails miserably ... he should have caught the bloody ball, two flick passes later (due to numerous roosters in support).... try no2

Hoppa fails to take a bomb.... few tackles later try no3

We made the roosters look like Real Madrid for the first 20mins... then again with so many missed tackles in the last 20mins

Sitipili or whatever his name is strolls thru the middle making light work of Napa’s, RFM & JMK’s efforts with ease and passes to Teddy... try No4


Poor coaching, terrible team selections and a skills coach that’s coaching fark all skills into a group of players is to blame 

Just goes to show how poor our footy I.Q is.
We arent coached to adjust to variations in a game. The first 2 tries were clear examples of how our guys are pre-programmed robots and the minute there is a change in algorithm on the footy field, our CPUs freeze.

Lewis gets caught making a tackle middle of field and cant get back to his defensive spot....instead of realizing it and covering for him, he open up like Moses did to the red sea.

Meaney misses the intercept (agree he should have swallowed it) and from broken field play we cant adjust and they score with about 3 players lining up for the final pass.

This team needs some footy nous and needs a coach that can teach them about it. Some things unfortunately you cant teach but we have too many players that don't expect the unexpected and against a team full of good players  they can really show you up. 

If any team decides to play razzle dazzle against us, we are fekked. It's only when they choose to play a grind, they fall into our hands.
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tony v_1 - 16 Jun 2020 7:18 AM
Phil rothfield writting the bulldogs need 2 make a decision in 
the next 2 weeks on there coach as the club is speaking with a few high profile players & the question is who is coaching the team ? Rothfield also saying that the if the club 
sticks with pay it will be hard 2 get players unless they pay overs , gee what a read , averillo let the 1st to try’s in his a centres ass nope to him been there 

Averillo did some very good things and very inexperienced things. 

But he already looks more of an attacking threat than many in our backline and so he is definitely a keeper. Just needs to be nurtured and coached correctly. 

For example....compare the Hoppa draw and pass to Foran for our try and Averillos failed attempt to Lewis. Hoppa does a late change in direction to attract Teddy away from his full intention to pass and releases the ball outside teddy reach. Averillo runs straight at Teddy and makes it easier for him to make a play at ball. This is a technique and experience thing which I'm sure he'll improve on.

Also, Meaney is tackled a food 5m from his wing, gets gang tackled and driven over sideline. Averillo was inexperienced to realise he could have assisted and maybe either grounded the gang tackle short of line or stopped it enough for ref to call held. Inexperienced centre play. 

No doubt he is the best yuh young prospect we have. It would be a real shame if we didn't develop him further with the right people at the club.
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hounddog - 15 Jun 2020 9:35 PM

You want Averillo closer to the ball. It further 

Agreed, Averillo needs to be closer. DWZ is a winger. 
Team needs a real playmaker, maybe Wakeham and a Number 9 with nous.

Agree with Marki, slow in defence, seemingly letting the opposition run to us.
In attack too shallow, not doing things with speed. No variations, just passing and hoping.

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We had a sh!tload of players out of position and Pay did adjust some positions but you can't do half a job. OK he rectified his error with DWZ and Hoopa but Meaney shouldn't be on the wing, Averillo should be partnering Foran and Lewis to Lock. Katoa should also be given a shot because ffs JMK is adding no spice to the team. One more thing Dean, I know Darren Britt is a good mate but his son is just not cutting it and should be jagged. Please replace him with someone that is willing to have a crack at it.
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The only joy I got out of last nights game was that we at least stopped them from scoring 100 unanswered points... go Bulldogs.
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tony v_1 - 16 Jun 2020 7:18 AM

Averillo did some very good things and very inexperienced things. 

But he already looks more of an attacking threat than many in our backline and so he is definitely a keeper. Just needs to be nurtured and coached correctly. 

For example....compare the Hoppa draw and pass to Foran for our try and Averillos failed attempt to Lewis. Hoppa does a late change in direction to attract Teddy away from his full intention to pass and releases the ball outside teddy reach. Averillo runs straight at Teddy and makes it easier for him to make a play at ball. This is a technique and experience thing which I'm sure he'll improve on.

Also, Meaney is tackled a food 5m from his wing, gets gang tackled and driven over sideline. Averillo was inexperienced to realise he could have assisted and maybe either grounded the gang tackle short of line or stopped it enough for ref to call held. Inexperienced centre play. 

No doubt he is the best yuh young prospect we have. It would be a real shame if we didn't develop him further with the right people at the club.

Averillo is just very young and inexperienced at NRL level, things that are fine in the lower grades, don't cut it at NRL level.

Ideally, I would like to play him at fullback, but he is young and inexperienced, and it isn't a great idea to just throw him in  there... 

What I would try is move Foran and DWZ to the left. so that edge is RFM, Foran, Averillo, DWZ

IMO Foran hitting Averillo and RFM with great passes is exactly what we want..

That allows us to play Wakeham on the right in the halves  Jacko, Wakeham, Smith, Crichton...

For a small winger Crichton has been good value..
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My side (Assuming no Tols)

1. Hoppa
2. Crichton
3. Averillo
4. Smith
5. DWZ
6. Foran
7 Wakeham (Should have played rounds 3 & 4)
8. Napa (wish there was a better option)
9 . JMK (Not great but our best option)
10. Renouf T (time to try this)
11. RFM
12. Jacko
13. Elliott

14. Harper
15. Sue
16. Odgen
17. Matt  Doorey/ James Roumanos or Lewis (time to give a young forward a run, or try Lewis at lock - these look like the only available options) .

The Chooks in particular Tedesco were white hot, when a top class player has a day out they can make any side look silly..

The other lesson for our side is mental preparation....  against this top sides, you need to turn up ready and be prepared to hang in when the going gets tough...

We have to find a combination that works on the left edge defence.

Britt/Stimson - Lewis - Smith - Meaney
RFM - Lewis - Averillo - Meaney

Thew common factors are Lewis and Meaney.... I think Averillo is a slightly better defender than Smith.
Harper on the bench can help shore up the defence, but isn't potent in attack 


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