Tony, you forgot that Tolman is not on the list.

We need a forward who models himself on Bruiser Brody...penrith have him...Kikau...someone similar...Ogden closest but no ciagr.

He didnt forget......

My concern with this team is that there not 1 player let alone a group of players that can stem or alter momentum in a game. Green is probably the only game manager. Hoppa probably the only 1 with brains but not vocal enough to inspire the guys around him. 

Another poor season on the cards.

The player that is missing is Stimpson

Didn’t forget him , toleman hasn’t been offered 
a new contract , still in disbelief moving forward our spine is 
not looking any better in 2021 , head coach Trent Barrett , asst coach  David furner & craig something cock man they are headed for another bad year in 2021 I’m still lost in Blake green 35 next year will miss  1/2 a season from a ACl
& they let Foran go it’s beggars belief 

We would have to be after a Matt Burton or something because I cant imagine an ex half who is now coach will go into next season with our halves minus Foran and no Green till halfway in the season where we will be cemented at foot of ladder.

Barrett would have a contingency plan no doubt. 

Your lack of optimism and scorn is only exceeded by your love of the rorters. BTW Aubisson is the only player I don't hate as intently.

I was being optimistic when I said foot of the ladder and not dead last!

In all seriousness though, Broncos will not be as bad as this year and it's hard to see any team as pathetic as us so wooden spoon favouritism is deservedly on the cards.....

Averillo, Wakeham, Cotric, Odgen  and Toomaga have the potential to alter the momemtum with a good run or pass.

Green is needed until we get Burton and or the young guys get better at game management.

Currently we need to crawl before we walk, them walk before we run.
We do need 3-4 good players as soon  as we can get them 
IMO, hooker, half (utility), centre, (possibly Tass), Prop.

We do have some good young players specifically a very big fast and skillful prop and a number of very good young hookers, those guys haven't yet played reserve grade they need a season in reserve grade.

Will the comp in 21 is practically impossible, going significantly better than this season is not hard at all.

IMO we are after Burton but the Panthers want to keep him and have him under contract for 21.

That is one reason why Gus was trying to talk Baz out of joining the Dogs.

I agree with Gus, Burton will start out as a very solid young half, and overtime turn into the next Wade Graham.

My fear is the club will find itself not able to sign anyone decent and without seeing reserve grade this year will fall Iminto the trap of re-signing too many of our existing players. 

If we do, it can only be for 1 year. It's what they should have done with Foran. 

All the players you mention cannot change momentum. I'm not talking about an out of ordinary play. Everyone can do that. I'm talking about needing to change the game, the opposition knowing that you want to change the game as and you still bring able to change the game no matter how prepared they are.

I'm talking Cam Smith, DCE, A Reynolds, Maloney, Keary, Cleary, Hodgson type players or even Benji who can take control of the ball and hsve maturity and command enough respect to lift the team.

We have been close on too many games and in fact leading by 10 points on multiple occasions this year without the ability to stem the flow once the opposition scores a try. We need a player that can do this. We dont have any.  

And can we drop Reimis Smith from first grade?
Looks like he enjoys going through the motions and let DCE grow another leg with some flimsy tackles late in first half to let them overtake us.

RFM lateral defence was really poor on  multiple ocassions yesterday. Looked fatigued or lazy or poorly communicated with inside man. 

We are the most pathetic team when the opposition crabs across the field. Instead of swarming them, we backpeddle and just sit and wait for their inevitable penetrating run.

Every other team runs up in a line or in stagger and swarm the opposition who lose metres. We just gift them.

Smith is a good winger ok in defence on the wing, fast and a threat catching bombs.
IMO DWZ is similar, runs a bit harder but is slower, not good at catching bombs.
I was surprised how bad DWZ was in defence, the centres are a critical defensive position.

You are right that the defense is too passive, that is a confidence and energy issue.

The new 6 again rules favour the attack, except for close to the try line it can be hard to defend and it is hard to stop a team on a roll.... this season is a write off.. Baz has a big job ahead of him no question.

I hope players are energised and prepared to go the extra mile in preseason, lots to work on including fitness and decision making under fatigue.

Marki, we did offer Foran a one year extension. His greedy manager said no its 2+ years or nothing and Foran walked. So fvck foran and his manager (hopefully without soap) because we looked after him and he owes us bigtime but this is the thanks we get.

Unfortunately this will be, by necessity, an abbreviated pre season and many players will have gone a season without any football.  Difficult for talent identification, difficult for player development and difficult to get recruitment right.  Especially difficult for those trying to rise from the bottom of the heap.

ODF..you sound scarily expert on the subject.

Don’t expect a reply from self proclaimed leagues greatest mind if you post something that proves him wrong...
At best you’ll get a ‘what if saying is’ or ‘what I meant was’...

Definitely added to the difficulty of finding our way out of the clusterfvck the Dibbys left us...
At least our pathways are on the mend and I expect to see some home grown talent step up over the next two years... 

steve, the only thing I'm an expert on is my own opinion, but that's just my opinion.

Your opinion is far more expert than some others expert opinions...

I know that and I didn't have any problem with the club trying to get him for 600k for 1 season - its about as much as he's worth.

But if he was insisting on 2 years and we correctly wouldnt budge, we could and should have stopped the offe to 700k or even 800k but just the 1 season. 

We still have to spend that money anyway and no point giving Tolman or others big money when we can actually do with the services of Foran

So with absolutely zero idea of who we may be talking to in other positions and How much coin that may require you want to throw $800K at a bloke that is busted most of the time for a season you’ve already written off, with a team he has failed to steer to victory despite several leads since he’s been back???...

All good if we are chasing someone else of equal or better calibre.

Unlike all the optimists here, I honestly think we are in real bad shape next year - roster wise. 

So while it might look like throwing money at a player for the sake of it, its doing so knowing he is the only 1 that can win us a game or 2. The rest cant.

So, what happened to the so called war chest that was supposed to be so big we could almost buy half an SOO team with.

But... he didn’t win ya any games when on the field, so once again what you know and reality are polar opposites...

I don’t think anyone is under any illusion we are we placed for next year.,, but what we have are some building blocks, some reasonable youngsters on the up (despite lack of footy) and a new coach...
Green for mine is better value even at the same price as Foz for one year we just got unlucky with the injury...
Besides that I echo ODF sentiments... fvck Foran, he can go back to Manly and rehab there for 1.5 of 3 year deal...

Ummm...  hack grub germoulists happened and some people were silly enough to believe they actually had a clue...

Yes, also difficult for players playing in the Semis and backing up for origin.

A big issue for us is Green being out injured.

That is another reason why I would sign Brittian, he has a kicking game, can spark some attack and has a bit of aggro. We need to punt to some extent on 2019 reserve grade form.

Of the good 2019 reserve graders at our club Harper has left, Lelumnu (spelling?) has left Tass is good and the guy that booted Lelumnu from fullback was brilliant in some games ordinary in  others. Everyone else that was good Averillo, Doorey played NRL this year. 

I don't think many of the other players looked like strong prospects, but we had a number of good players in the u20s.

Those good 2019 u20s kids need to play reserve grade in 21. Missing a whole season isn't ideal.

Like many recent seasons the hard part for us will be starting well.

We still have much more to spend than recent seasons, but the club isn't going on a wild spending spree, it has taken a lot of hard work and discipline to get here.

Recruitment for 21 hasn't finished players in semi teams may only officially sign after the semis, and clubs have locked up a lot of players... so it depends on who is available and if we can agree on the money.

We also need to extend our good young players but we don't have many.

So "time will tell".

Based on that assumption.... Dman reminds me of Jana Wendt from 60 minutes