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Marki - 3 Apr 2021 10:12 AM
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There's  2 game styles the storm play.
They can play the Bulldog-like grind (at which point we might stand a chance) or they can play the expansive style (at which point they'll blow us off the park).

Most importantly, they are quite good at switching between styles, while we cant even master the 1 style we have been trying for the last 5 years.

Hey Doc.... maybe you could be our Joe Wehbe or Bradley Stubs style whisperer for the Dogs

We’ve got nothing to lose....
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zoz2015 - 3 Apr 2021 12:01 AM
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Barrett and co trying to sugar coat it a bit .. Let’s face it the fans have been Gaslighted  . These players have been signed on good money so they should adapt to any situation.. this takes time to gel does not cut it .. Either the team is poorly coached or managers  are very good in sales.

Thank you.
The excuse died after 1 or 2 seasons under Pay.

The problem with yesterdays game is that the players that failed badly were Barretts players (Flano, Cotric). Its also round 4 after a full pre-season. Barrett should start taking responsibility if he is going to protect his players or otherwise show frustration and shame them. 

I dont mind if coaches are protective of off field incidents from good players but when they protect rubbish, then it should be on their head.

It's only the fact that I feel Barrett knows what kind of game we have to play to be competitive that I haven't stuck the boot into him yet. I feel he has written off the season and cant wait till next year with Burton running the show and JAC in the team as well as afew other key signings he has in mind. 

There will be no excuses for him after round 6 or 8 next season.
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Mooloolabadog - 3 Apr 2021 12:38 AM
Marki - 2 Apr 2021 10:41 PM

I don't  quibble about the penalties we concede. I only point out that our opponents seem to improve their  discipline when they play us

Why wouldnt they?
They know we have terrible line speed and the next runner will get the ball flat footed and still be tackled 1m or 2m from the previous ruck.

They know we dont have game breakers and they know we dont have the brains or skills to create an overlap.

So why on earth would they slow down our already slow play-the-balls?

The only time they give away 6 agains or penalties are for high shots. 

I dont blame the lack of 6 agains we get as reason for our demise. I think we bring it on ourselves.
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Mooloolabadog - 3 Apr 2021 12:47 AM
zoz2015 - 3 Apr 2021 12:01 AM

I think there was very little targeted recruitment  this year. Two of our higher profile recruits, Flanagan and Allen, basically fell into our lap after being dumped by their clubs. They were opportunistic recruits as opposed to targets. Only time will tell if this was good luck or not.

That's quite true and concerning. 
Cotric is the only high profile signing we targeted. Hetherington was targeted but not high profile. He was also shipped around to Warriors so just goes to show where Penrith is and we are at....
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Villi - 3 Apr 2021 7:56 AM
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I think both Flanagan and Allen will prove to be good signings.... my concern is that Cotric is listed at Centre, plays part of the game at centre, yet is shunted to the wing.... at Canberra his carries were fantastic to get the Raiders set off to a strong start, so far nothing has clicked for the kid at Belmore. 

It’s not helping our slow motion chain of passing doesn’t give him much time or room to attack!

Barrett has us standing deep in attack but no one is running onto the ball.

He needs to get them to watch Parra games who attack like a fekking Tsunami.

Once we do that, Cotric and co will have momentum and speed on his side against a back pedalling defence line. It will be remarkably different.

But he needs to cut the kick out of his game. It has come in as a result of our flat rubbish attack.
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I've mentioned this before but I will say it again.

Barrett, Georgallis, Pay should have demoted the entire first grade squad and started fresh with reserve grade squad with only 3 or 4 from first grade.

It's like they are trying to change the way the team plays with 8 miles in it. It just wont happen.

The coach needs to eliminate the moles or reduce them down to 1 or 2 who's influence can be covered by the other non moles.
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Marki - 3 Apr 2021 10:39 AM
I've mentioned this before but I will say it again.

Barrett, Georgallis, Pay should have demoted the entire first grade squad and started fresh with reserve grade squad with only 3 or 4 from first grade.

It's like they are trying to change the way the team plays with 8 miles in it. It just wont happen.

The coach needs to eliminate the moles or reduce them down to 1 or 2 who's influence can be covered by the other non moles.

 * 8 moles *
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Marki - 3 Apr 2021 10:39 AM
I've mentioned this before but I will say it again.

Barrett, Georgallis, Pay should have demoted the entire first grade squad and started fresh with reserve grade squad with only 3 or 4 from first grade.

It's like they are trying to change the way the team plays with 8 miles in it. It just wont happen.

The coach needs to eliminate the moles or reduce them down to 1 or 2 who's influence can be covered by the other non moles.

And who comes in in next month if your grand plan don’t work - Milperra, Bankstown Sports?

Didn’t think that one through did you.... again.

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Zef - 3 Apr 2021 10:45 AM
Marki - 3 Apr 2021 10:39 AM

And who comes in in next month if your grand plan don’t work - Milperra, Bankstown Sports?

Didn’t think that one through did you.... again.

Give him a break...he is working on cloning 8 Dietz'es
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Steveswr33333 - 3 Apr 2021 11:19 AM
Zef - 3 Apr 2021 10:45 AM

Give him a break...he is working on cloning 8 Dietz'es

Hahahaha
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Our forwards for next week should look like this:-

Thompson
Katoa
Hetherington
Atoni
Elliott
Jackson

Res:-
Topine
Doorey
Ogden


I thought yesterday Hetherington & Atoni did well.... Atoni needs more minutes & needs to start looking for the offloads like he did back in his Cup days 

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Villi - 3 Apr 2021 12:18 PM
Our forwards for next week should look like this:-

Thompson
Katoa
Hetherington
Atoni
Elliott
Jackson

Res:-
Topine
Doorey
Ogden


I thought yesterday Hetherington & Atoni did well.... Atoni needs more minutes & needs to start looking for the offloads like he did back in his Cup days 

Agreed. You know far more about footy than Dman.
I suspect Dman is bribing the SC judges.

Only problem I can see is we may need a dispensation to play Topine and Doorey.
I would have Britt for the 4th bench spot or Chris Smith.

Backline wise I hope Lewis is ok, and we know the Newsreader is out for a while.
If Lewis is out, the options are Averillo/Wakeham for 5/8 and Averillo/Allan for fullback.
I would like to see Averillo at fullback, time to take a calculated gamble.
I am guessing DWZ might come back in and we may have the dreaded edge defence combo of Flanagan, Hoppa, DWZ those 3 could be married for 50 years,  and still be perfect strangers, they are rarely on the same page.

Unfortunately I don't assume that right edge is fixed, we need to see it. If Wakeham or Lewis plays I would even consider swapping them to that edge.

Anyway baby steps from here, Marki needs to tip Dman as unbeatable in SC.
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Marki - 3 Apr 2021 10:40 AM
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 * 8 moles *

Dr Marki has pinpointed the problem.

We have imported moles trying to play footy, the jerseys are too big for them and they spend most of the game trying to burrow underground. That is why we are often short in attack and defence, our so called players are hiding underground.

Why haven't our coaches spotted this?
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If i am playing in a team that the media is calling the worst in 93 years, i've got a point to prove.

I don't buy this crap, but it is great motivation, and a few news stories on the walls at the club is the way to go.

#SeigeMentallity - rip in boys... prove the germologists wrong.
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The players were obviously affected by the sanctity  of the day and, being forced to play, could not perform.
Teams strive for consistency. We've  proven that's  not always a virtue.
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Ben Marshke makes his debut for the Rorters tomorrow 

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The games  so far  this  week have been  a terrible  advertisement  for the NRL. Nothing competitive  and  woeful quality. Expansion anyone.
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Mooloolabadog - 3 Apr 2021 6:49 PM
The games  so far  this  week have been  a terrible  advertisement  for the NRL. Nothing competitive  and  woeful quality. Expansion anyone.

6 again calls.... that’s what’s killing the f’ken game!

The usual penalty & kick for touch, allowed teams to set their defence & at least make a match of it by defending for their lives.... now once a team gets a roll on with the stupid 6 again calls, we’ll continue to see blow outs
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Villi - 3 Apr 2021 6:53 PM
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6 again calls.... that’s what’s killing the f’ken game!

The usual penalty & kick for touch, allowed teams to set their defence & at least make a match of it by defending for their lives.... now once a team gets a roll on with the stupid 6 again calls, we’ll continue to see blow outs

They also make the ref the attackjng captain. He decides  that you don't  want distance or two points.  I remember  a game last year, a team 2 points behind, 6 again, near the posts,only time for 1 play until  half  time.  How is that an advantage?
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Villi - 3 Apr 2021 6:53 PM
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6 again calls.... that’s what’s killing the f’ken game!

The usual penalty & kick for touch, allowed teams to set their defence & at least make a match of it by defending for their lives.... now once a team gets a roll on with the stupid 6 again calls, we’ll continue to see blow outs

New rules just exaggerate the differences between sides, when a team gets on a roll they can't be hard to stop.

If prefer it to voluntary surrender, wrestle mania, block play city and some of the more recent variants.

The only problem is the ref has a big impact, but the big plus is it is hard for smart coaches to cheat.
Our game v Souths showed that even a fairly competive game can rapidly blow out.

It is very unlikely that the better team on the day will be beaten, very likely the better team will put a score on the opposition. Fans like to see tries and no formula is perfect.

IMO teams that are getting thrashed including the Dogs are doing a lot to contribute to their fate.  They have defensive weaknesses that are easy to exploit.

The problem isn't a lack of talent, too much talent is in the better teams and the weaker teams are not using the talent that they have. 2 good teams will often result in a closer game.

They should stick to this forumla and stop experimenting, coaches and players will soon adapt.


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hounddog - 3 Apr 2021 7:10 PM
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New rules just exaggerate the differences between sides, when a team gets on a roll they can't be hard to stop.

If prefer it to voluntary surrender, wrestle mania, block play city and some of the more recent variants.

The only problem is the ref has a big impact, but the big plus is it is hard for smart coaches to cheat.
Our game v Souths showed that even a fairly competive game can rapidly blow out.

It is very unlikely that the better team on the day will be beaten, very likely the better team will put a score on the opposition. Fans like to see tries and no formula is perfect.

IMO teams that are getting thrashed including the Dogs are doing a lot to contribute to their fate.  They have defensive weaknesses that are easy to exploit.

The problem isn't a lack of talent, too much talent is in the better teams and the weaker teams are not using the talent that they have. 2 good teams will often result in a closer game.

They should stick to this forumla and stop experimenting, coaches and players will soon adapt.


There is too much  talent in the better teams because there  is not enough true first grade talent to go around. Anyhow  whatever the reasons,  games blown out before half time are not good  for  the game
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I would like to the 6 again ditched altogether. If a team want to continue with the attack a quick tap is almost the same result. I see the peptides gave the cows a hiding and this is the problem we are all seeing, the blowout scorelines. And as far as expanding the comp I think that there is only enough good talent to accomodate 12 teams and as I have said before who goes and who stays.
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Mooloolabadog - 3 Apr 2021 7:21 PM
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There is too much  talent in the better teams because there  is not enough true first grade talent to go around. Anyhow  whatever the reasons,  games blown out before half time are not good  for  the game

They brought in 6 agains because teams were deliberately conceeding penalties to slow the attack, especially  close to the try line.

Most of the games that are blown before halftime would be over anyway before halftime.

The chance of a 2nd half turn around running down a score is higher.

Sometimes with wrestle mania, the game was over at 8-0.

Refs are a bit trigger happy with 6 agains, but most of the time players are making 2nd efforts in completed tackles, that is  because they have been wrestling for years. The other cuase is inside the 10.
The rules are rewarding ruck dominance which is the ball runner winning the tackle.

People just need to get used to the idea that 38-0  is no different to 20-0.
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hounddog - 3 Apr 2021 8:28 PM
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They brought in 6 agains because teams were deliberately conceeding penalties to slow the attack, especially  close to the try line.

Most of the games that are blown before halftime would be over anyway before halftime.

The chance of a 2nd half turn around running down a score is higher.

Sometimes with wrestle mania, the game was over at 8-0.

Refs are a bit trigger happy with 6 agains, but most of the time players are making 2nd efforts in completed tackles, that is  because they have been wrestling for years. The other cuase is inside the 10.
The rules are rewarding ruck dominance which is the ball runner winning the tackle.

People just need to get used to the idea that 38-0  is no different to 20-0.

6 agains are inconsistencies  personified. From game to game, from half to half, from ref to ref, from instance to instance. Nothing under these circumstances can endure scrutiny  or deliver fairness.
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As to the reason behind the gap between the top teams and the bottom teams, the top teams are strong, well drilled and have often been coached by the same coach for 3 ore more seasons and/or the same group of players has been together for 3 or more seasons.

In the case of the Panthers the players played a lot of lower grade footy together.

A new coach and new players rarely brings instant success, not when the standards are high.

The Broncos, Cows and Manly are doing about the same as us, the Broncos have no shortage of talent and had a talented squad last year. The problem with the Broncos is that they can't defend a sustained period of opposition posession. That changed when the team had fewer high work rate defenders.

Of the bottom teams the Dogs are unique we have some great hardworking high work rate defenders, our problem has mostly been attack. This year trying to fix the attack created some defensive problems.

The era of the wrestle and gang tackles allowed a lot of weak defenders to play a lot of games. In the old days coaches like the Wok would drop that player after 1-2 games.
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Mooloolabadog - 3 Apr 2021 8:40 PM
hounddog - 3 Apr 2021 8:28 PM

6 agains are inconsistencies  personified. From game to game, from half to half, from ref to ref, from instance to instance. Nothing under these circumstances can endure scrutiny  or deliver fairness.

Yes, the problem isn't the rule, more like the quality of the ref.

With penalties the problem still exists, but players can challenge.
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hounddog - 3 Apr 2021 8:44 PM
Mooloolabadog - 3 Apr 2021 8:40 PM

Yes, the problem isn't the rule, more like the quality of the ref.

With penalties the problem still exists, but players can challenge.

Is there any merit in meeting halfway. Call and signal penalty, play out the six (not restart),go back to the penalty if no result. Captain's challenge in play for defence, captain's choice for attack.
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Mooloolabadog - 3 Apr 2021 9:25 PM
hounddog - 3 Apr 2021 8:44 PM

Is there any merit in meeting halfway. Call and signal penalty, play out the six (not restart),go back to the penalty if no result. Captain's challenge in play for defence, captain's choice for attack.

Another alternative is penalty outside the opposition 20, 6 again in the red zone.
Fans will find penalties just as inconsistent but the NRL can allow 2 challenges.
Inside the 10 will be hard to challenge as will 2nd effort in a tackle.

Another alternative is that the last try scorer kicks off from their own 40.
This gives the tired team the ball in reasonable field position, they can play out a set of 6.

In a close game this 40 kick off rule would add to the excitement, the teams might swap the lead.

We can't allow unlimited wrestle slow play the balls and a skinny 10, that is boring footy, often the game comes down to a dubious ref decision. It is  a better game when the better team mostly wins.

I wonder what fans of the top teams think about the new rules.
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Raiders lost the 6 agains and penalties, but still won the game.

The top sides have no problems with the new rules, they can defend their line.
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