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Marki - 19 Apr 2021 8:40 PM
dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 8:22 PM

I get that and I lay blame squarely on Flano.
He's the new Tolman atm.
Stifles our attack. 

As soon as TBaz makes the long awaited decision to drop him, you'll see improvement.

Flannos never taken a hit up let alone on the fourth... but if you watched a game youd  know that...
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Your just jealous I traded out Tedesco for Karmichael Hunt

You traded in Marki, the biggest Karmichael on the site???...
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dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 8:47 PM
Marki - 19 Apr 2021 8:40 PM

Flannos never taken a hit up let alone on the fourth... but if you watched a game youd  know that...

30-40


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dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 8:49 PM
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You traded in Marki, the biggest Karmichael on the site???...

Hahahaha.... 

Deuce or is it Juice

Cmon Doc, change that racquet 
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dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 8:49 PM
Villi - 19 Apr 2021 8:47 PM

You traded in Marki, the biggest Karmichael on the site???...

Game set match...
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Villi - 19 Apr 2021 8:50 PM
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Hahahaha.... 

Deuce or is it Juice

Cmon Doc, change that racquet 

You leave OJ out of this... he is a hero to many...
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Refereeing.  According to nrl.com there were 14 restarts in our game and only 31 in the other 7 games combined. the most in any other game being 7 in Manly v Titans.  Prior  to our game I thought the refs had eased up this weekend.
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Mooloolabadog - 19 Apr 2021 8:54 PM
Refereeing.  According to nrl.com there were 14 restarts in our game and only 31 in the other 7 games combined. the most in any other game being 7 in Manly v Titans.  Prior  to our game I thought the refs had eased up this weekend.

Was it first set in our game against us???... A ref by ref breakdown over the season to date would be interesting... 
The ‘don’t forget about me’ stat...
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Marki - 19 Apr 2021 8:40 PM
dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 8:22 PM

I get that and I lay blame squarely on Flano.
He's the new Tolman atm.
Stifles our attack. 

As soon as TBaz makes the long awaited decision to drop him, you'll see improvement.

Who is stifling our middle defence then without the guy who held it together.
I think you only saw Tolman when he received the ball.
Look, I was peed as much as anyone when he did the 4th thing, but what he did around the ruck was better than anyone is doing it now.
Teams did a grubber and he was there always ready to clean up.
Give the guy his due, he is sadly missed by the rabble we have now.
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nodster - 19 Apr 2021 9:02 PM
Marki - 19 Apr 2021 8:40 PM

Who is stifling our middle defence then without the guy who held it together.
I think you only saw Tolman when he received the ball.
Look, I was peed as much as anyone when he did the 4th thing, but what he did around the ruck was better than anyone is doing it now.
Teams did a grubber and he was there always ready to clean up.
Give the guy his due, he is sadly missed by the rabble we have now.

Stiffening our defence I meant.
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Mooloolabadog - 19 Apr 2021 8:54 PM
Refereeing.  According to nrl.com there were 14 restarts in our game and only 31 in the other 7 games combined. the most in any other game being 7 in Manly v Titans.  Prior  to our game I thought the refs had eased up this weekend.

Yeah and 8 penalties to 1 against us. Not sure if that they got that wrong.
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nodster - 19 Apr 2021 9:02 PM
Marki - 19 Apr 2021 8:40 PM

Who is stifling our middle defence then without the guy who held it together.
I think you only saw Tolman when he received the ball.
Look, I was peed as much as anyone when he did the 4th thing, but what he did around the ruck was better than anyone is doing it now.
Teams did a grubber and he was there always ready to clean up.
Give the guy his due, he is sadly missed by the rabble we have now.

Only an idiot would think Tolman plays nearly 300 games of first grade despite ignoring the coaches instructions to not touch the ball on the 4th... or call for it over decent halves... or be fed it by a decent rake...
His 1%rs are sorely missed in D... 


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nodster - 19 Apr 2021 5:57 PM
hounddog - 19 Apr 2021 5:46 PM

Aiden would be handy to have now.
In fact he would have been nice all year with his goal line defence.

The defence in the middle was rock solid with Tolman, Lichaa and Jimmy Graham, but our attack was woeful.

I am glad all 3 have left, but  Tommo was a one man band in defence at times against the Cows.
We need the right balance in attack and defence.
IMO Topine, Tommo and Jacko keep it right early, Elliott moves to the middle and Jacko has a break.
Elliott plays this middle role with Jacko out.
Of the halves/Hooker Lewis is the best defender followed by Wakeham.

If we at least start a game with good defence in the middle that is a step forward.

If Baz can coach he should improve this side, plenty to work on. 
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dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 8:47 PM
Marki - 19 Apr 2021 8:40 PM

Flannos never taken a hit up let alone on the fourth... but if you watched a game youd  know that...

I can't remember him doing a decent kick on the 6th, bring back Tols and let me kick.
Flano can take the hitups.
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nodster - 19 Apr 2021 9:02 PM
Marki - 19 Apr 2021 8:40 PM

Who is stifling our middle defence then without the guy who held it together.
I think you only saw Tolman when he received the ball.
Look, I was peed as much as anyone when he did the 4th thing, but what he did around the ruck was better than anyone is doing it now.
Teams did a grubber and he was there always ready to clean up.
Give the guy his due, he is sadly missed by the rabble we have now.

I give him his due as a leg tackler.
We don't seem to have many in our team that tackle low, Elliott is one of them. Lewis the other.

It contributes to us resorting to hold-down tactics in order to stem momentum or slow down the play and refs are onto us and it results in 6 agains conceded.

Tolman was a decent defender and did contribute to the team in defence but he equally killed us in attack. I dont miss him. I just think our guys need to tackle more effectively. 1 high and 1 low.

The sooner Lewis gets back into this team the better. 
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Up front I will say this means nothing and I don't imply anything. Some time ago I did some stats on our performance under 6 of the main referees. I split it into years 2009 to 2013 and 2014 to 2018. Our overall win ratios were 64% & 49% respectively.  If we exclude G. Sutton the percentages are 62% & 56%. Our win ratios under Gerard were 78% & 25%. We obviously lost our way at some point. 
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Guys I must be  a jinx, both of my sporting teams this weekend had a key player sent off after a brain fade, fell behind on the scoreboard then mounted a comeback only to lose.

In fact both seemed to play better a man down...
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dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 9:09 PM
nodster - 19 Apr 2021 9:02 PM

Only an idiot would think Tolman plays nearly 300 games of first grade despite ignoring the coaches instructions to not touch the ball on the 4th... or call for it over decent halves... or be fed it by a decent rake...
His 1%rs are sorely missed in D... 


Reflects on the poor coaching of Des, and roster limitations of Pay.

Barrett comes along and immediately decides to not resign him.

I trust Barrett.
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Marki - 19 Apr 2021 9:24 PM
dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 9:09 PM

Reflects on the poor coaching of Des, and roster limitations of Pay.

Barrett comes along and immediately decides to not resign him.

I trust Barrett.

Full support of the board last week, Markis trust this week, Centrelink next week...
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Mooloolabadog - 19 Apr 2021 9:22 PM
Up front I will say this means nothing and I don't imply anything. Some time ago I did some stats on our performance under 6 of the main referees. I split it into years 2009 to 2013 and 2014 to 2018. Our overall win ratios were 64% & 49% respectively.  If we exclude G. Sutton the percentages are 62% & 56%. Our win ratios under Gerard were 78% & 25%. We obviously lost our way at some point. 

We lose the ruck a lot. Our defence up the middle is loose and our players don't run hard enough.

It started under Des a few years ago, the side looked tired an lethargic, we were clueless in attack and ended up doing most of the tackling.

In trying to fix the attack, the defence has gone backwards. Then the salary cap gutted the squad.

Klem defecting when the going got tough didn't help.

We are lucky to have leaders like Thompson, Jackson, Elliott and Topine and a class player in Averillo.
Take those guys out, the scoreboard would spin like a poker-machine wheel.



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Marki - 19 Apr 2021 9:24 PM
dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 9:09 PM

Reflects on the poor coaching of Des, and roster limitations of Pay.

Barrett comes along and immediately decides to not resign him.

I trust Barrett.

So it’s not Tolman fault???... its Des’ and the other players???.... Did you just snooker yourself???...
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dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 9:33 PM
Marki - 19 Apr 2021 9:24 PM

So it’s not Tolman fault???... its Des’ and the other players???.... Did you just snooker yourself???...

Stop the fight ... I  need to give the doc a crawling 8 count.
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hounddog - 19 Apr 2021 9:35 PM
dman2018 - 19 Apr 2021 9:33 PM

Stop the fight ... I  need to give the doc a crawling 8 count.

Foot Fault Doc
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hounddog - 19 Apr 2021 9:35 PM

Foot Fault Doc

I thought we may need another sporting reference after tennis and snooker, but I caught a glimpse of the Micks posts in a mirror and realised we already had a golF post...

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I thought we may need another sporting reference after tennis and snooker, but I caught a glimpse of the Micks posts in a mirror and realised we already had a golF post...

The Mocks*
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I thought we may need another sporting reference after tennis and snooker, but I caught a glimpse of the Micks posts in a mirror and realised we already had a golF post...

You looking at mirrors again?

You know what happens when you do that Dman....
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So it’s not Tolman fault???... its Des’ and the other players???.... Did you just snooker yourself???...

It's not Tolmans fault he is a limited player.
But it's the coaches fault for picking him.

Melb used Tolman to good effect as they had other players who would decide who gets the ball and when. 

In our team, he would put himself in position on 4th or 5th tackle for a nothing play, and we had other useless players who would feed him the ball. 

The blame is on the coaches for using him that or using players around him that would keep finding him.
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The European Soccer Super League propsal is a about businessmen trying to derisk their investment and maximise income, not sport.

The 6 UK teams know competition is coming from clubs like West Ham, Leicester, Leeds and others, they want to rig the results in case their cash cow goes south.

All 6 can start next season in division 4 IMO, ban all players from internationals. Hit the greedy businessmen where it counts, the bottom line.

If sport was all about money I would watch the stock market, sport is supposed to be a contest where teams succeed or fail on merit.
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hounddog - 20 Apr 2021 8:12 AM
The European Soccer Super League propsal is a about businessmen trying to derisk their investment and maximise income, not sport.

The 6 UK teams know competition is coming from clubs like West Ham, Leicester, Leeds and others, they want to rig the results in case their cash cow goes south.

All 6 can start next season in division 4 IMO, ban all players from internationals. Hit the greedy businessmen where it counts, the bottom line.

If sport was all about money I would watch the stock market, sport is supposed to be a contest where teams succeed or fail on merit.

You didn’t mention Villa....

Have you bothered to ask our resident Footballing expert & former Wagga Wombats honorary 12th man Dman his thoughts?

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hounddog - 20 Apr 2021 8:12 AM
The European Soccer Super League propsal is a about businessmen trying to derisk their investment and maximise income, not sport.

The 6 UK teams know competition is coming from clubs like West Ham, Leicester, Leeds and others, they want to rig the results in case their cash cow goes south.

All 6 can start next season in division 4 IMO, ban all players from internationals. Hit the greedy businessmen where it counts, the bottom line.

If sport was all about money I would watch the stock market, sport is supposed to be a contest where teams succeed or fail on merit.

Unfortunately that only happens when players volunteer their time or even pay to play - i.e grassroots sport.

I agree tho that greed and power is real reason for this breakaway...
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