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Marki
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+x+xOne reason the old fashioned scrums had to be taken out was the serious risk of injury. The athletes are bigger & stronger now too, so with all the possibilities of the scrums twisting & turning & collapsing it is very dangerous with players having their arms literally caught up in the fray with a ton of bricks landing on them in awkward positions etc. I still think things like kicks for touch should be some kind of modern version of the scrum because that moments breather is very important for the players. With all the unstoppable momentum the new rules are creating, players are being left with no control of their arms at times from so much continuous defense & need a moment to "shake it out" so to speak. To use a daft example, if you had to carry 2 slabs of beer from your car to your house, it wouldn't be difficult to manage. But if you had to carry them from Circular Quay all the way to Katoomba without a break, it would be almost impossible. Maybe you'd make it as far as Martin Place before having to put them down. Maybe if you endured the pain as the arms started straining you could get a lot further, but chances are you'd reach the point where the control of the arms would end & you'd unwillingly drop the lot somewhere along the way. Some would get closer than others, but apart from dman who could balance at least 4 or 5 slabs on his head & do Egyptian dancing the whole way without a break, the point is arms reach a point where there's a loss of control & need a break for a minute or 2. That's why I'm not really a fan of the combination of new rules. I wouldn't be disappointed if they get rid of them or at least adjust them within more realistic levels so there isn't so much unstoppable momentum causing blow out scorelines. An example of a match with contrasting halves of football is the recent Parra v C'bury. First half was balanced, nothing between the sides, score close at half time. 2nd half the unstoppable momentum hit with all the 6 agains etc resulting in the 2nd half being a blow out scoreline which didn't really represent how close the match should've been. I still think Parra would've won it, but not that way or by that much. Consistency is important with 6 agains. But still for 80-90% of tries scored this season at least one defender makes a mistake, and poor reads and players making different decisions are more common than a simple miss. Kicks for touch should result in a scrum. Forward passes and simple lost balls a handover, but with time to set the defensive line. That way when a team needs a rest they can kick for touch and maybe they should get a bit more time on the scrum clock. 40/20s option of a tap or a scrum. The ways scrums are done these days, the risk of injury is minor I agree. Scrums arent a contest. You dont bind hard and cant even push. It is merely a spectacle of having 6 players + scrum half from each team, together in 1 small area on the field for 1 tackle. May look insignificant, but has it's worth in giving players a break, resets the defence line and allows the ref to see who needs blood bin, HIA, or other injury attention. Also gives the fans an opportunity to reset themselves. There should be no injury concerns. It's not a rugby union contested scrum.
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+x+x+x+xLet's face the truth, in the good old days, players were smaller, slower, less skillful, the game was slower but players were better defenders. One part is defending a slow game, with slow play the balls, a 5 metre rule, slow passing and mostly slow moving forwards. When the backs made a break the fowards didn't have the pace to scramble, stopping the try meant making the cover defending tackle. Scrums were a lottery with multiple penalties against both sides possible each scrum. Towards the end of the the 5 metre rule defence was to good for the attack, games were neither side scored a try would have become the norm. You are correct. But these new rules only favour teams who already had fast, mobile, fit and footy smart players. The teams that dont (like us, broncos, raiders, tigers etc) will struggle to populate our teams with the required type for at least another 3-5 years... And not only that.... the game has become less of a contest and many viewers switch off at half time. But fear not. The broadcasters who run the game will have ultimate say and as soon as a ratings review takes place at seasons end, we will revert back to last years rules... The balls are also significantly better. If they persist with the rules it will take 3 more seasons for defence to close the gap on attack. With fulltime coaching problems can be fixed, most ex-players understand the issue, that is why clubs are bidding high for Dale Finucane. We have Jackson and we have Topine we don't need Finucane, our problems are elsewhere. The good teams scramble well in defence and work together, the good teams are organised in attack and in position early. Part of it is fitness and desire. The rest is coaching, building trust, confidence and combinations. The wrestle and gang tackling has also meant players haven't practiced good tackle technique for one on one tackling. One off-season will help, but up to 5 years to fix this properly. Many squads have too many forwards who lack fitness, workrate and mobility. 1-2 seasons to fix that. I don't think they will change the rules without seeing how clubs respond after an offseason and improving their roster. The rules are only hilighting how poor some of the weaker teams are, and a lot of that is lack of desire. The weak links are being exposed, NRL is about meeting the standard, not dragging the standard down to the level where lazy unfocused players can complete. What it boils down to is the NRL made too many changes too quickly and its affecting the product. Why dont they "massage-in" the rules over a period of say 3 or 5 years to allow teams to adjust without ruining the game? Teams and some players will adjust over time or end their careers - I agree. But in the meantime, the game loses its market share and appeal. I agree they need to slow down the changes and give players, coaches and refs time to adjust. For 6 agains and sin bins the big issue is consistency, but refs consistency has been an issue for 50 years. What I like about an up tempo game is the better team nearly always wins. In the era 2010-2017 slow games with lots of wrestle could come down to a single decision on a dubious borderline obstruction or excessive wrestle could make the game slower than lawn bowls. Given an off season with well familiar rules teams csn adapt. The good teams can defend miiltiple 6 agains and penalties, they also don't give away as many. Like it or not the refs are right a lot of the time, but a some grounds some teams seem to get too many calls. The NRL should keep stats on that and educate refs.
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If Cleary is gone for the season, so is Penrith.
The rest of the season will be one long lap of honour for Melb going b2b.
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+xIf Cleary is gone for the season, so is Penrith. The rest of the season will be one long lap of honour for Melb going b2b. Maybe. But we also may see the best of Burton in his preferred position. Can only be a good thing for his development
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Marki
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+xIf Cleary is gone for the season, so is Penrith. The rest of the season will be one long lap of honour for Melb going b2b. I can see Luai jumping all over his team mates after a consolation GF try already!
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Any tips for new comers to the lockdown party?
Cellar is well stocked, soccer and league on TV.
Netflix....
Lots to do around the house, but I hope to avoid that.
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Interesting team selection this week, we may see some young pups debut.
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Marki
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+xAny tips for new comers to the lockdown party? Cellar is well stocked, soccer and league on TV. Netflix.... Lots to do around the house, but I hope to avoid that. Go buy yourself a 1000 piece puzzle..... Spend 3 days putting it together... And on the last day, muck it up and redo in 1 day!!
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Marki
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+xInteresting team selection this week, we may see some young pups debut. Surprised guys like Ogden and Atoni arent favoured in this depleted team ahead of all those new guys... In any case, my $10 bet on us at 6.5 last week is all but gone.... I should hedge by putting $1000 on Manly to win the $10 back.....
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Mick O
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+x+xInteresting team selection this week, we may see some young pups debut. Surprised guys like Ogden and Atoni arent favoured in this depleted team ahead of all those new guys... In any case, my $10 bet on us at 6.5 last week is all but gone.... I should hedge by putting $1000 on Manly to win the $10 back..... The way the game is evolving big forwards that are poor defenders just don’t get a run in the future. Barrett is right to not select those two. But it worries me that he was talking up how they both had great potential at the start of the season. Next year can’t come soon enough. We’ll see if Barrett has the goods or not
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+x+x+xInteresting team selection this week, we may see some young pups debut. Surprised guys like Ogden and Atoni arent favoured in this depleted team ahead of all those new guys... In any case, my $10 bet on us at 6.5 last week is all but gone.... I should hedge by putting $1000 on Manly to win the $10 back..... The way the game is evolving big forwards that are poor defenders just don’t get a run in the future. Barrett is right to not select those two. But it worries me that he was talking up how they both had great potential at the start of the season. Next year can’t come soon enough. We’ll see if Barrett has the goods or not That is my take, but I thought Atoni might be close to earning a second chance. Defensively the might be the strongest starting line up this season. And I will be interested to see if BBO gets a run off the bench and what he can do. I will not be surprised if he has more attacking impact than Dietz and Katoa, but his defence might be far off. He has been playing in the halves in Flegg. I am happy Baz is trying a few experiments, I hope the young guys impress.
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+xAny tips for new comers to the lockdown party? Cellar is well stocked, soccer and league on TV. Netflix.... Lots to do around the house, but I hope to avoid that. Looking good... Forget the soccer... Start drinking before 10am... Dont use chainsaws or ladders...
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I've been watching the live cricket for a while, just the first ODI Poms vs Sri Lanka. It's true - purple cricket stumps. What surprised me is there's no lockdown there, no crowd exclusion or lockout at all. They don't have a full house but it's a very healthy crowd & none of that you have to sit 2m from anyone else stuff. At least they "were" a healthy crowd when they walked in, not sure how they'll all be a day or 2 later after a contagious mingle like that.
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+xI've been watching the live cricket for a while, just the first ODI Poms vs Sri Lanka. It's true - purple cricket stumps. What surprised me is there's no lockdown there, no crowd exclusion or lockout at all. They don't have a full house but it's a very healthy crowd & none of that you have to sit 2m from anyone else stuff. At least they "were" a healthy crowd when they walked in, not sure how they'll all be a day or 2 later after a contagious mingle like that. Gotta give a taste of the freedoms we are graciously afforded before the climate or alien lockdowns... #prawns...
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+xI've been watching the live cricket for a while, just the first ODI Poms vs Sri Lanka. It's true - purple cricket stumps. What surprised me is there's no lockdown there, no crowd exclusion or lockout at all. They don't have a full house but it's a very healthy crowd & none of that you have to sit 2m from anyone else stuff. At least they "were" a healthy crowd when they walked in, not sure how they'll all be a day or 2 later after a contagious mingle like that. UK 7 day average. 16,000 infections 17 deaths. Obviously the therapeutic treatments are much better now.
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This mornings early coffee, reading the news, I saw a photo of an international soccer match in England overnight - full house at Wembley. How ignorant can people get. That's on their government. The people that are double vaccinated aren't immune to catching it. I know there's an element of rebellion there at the suggestion of lockdowns, but too bad, they just have to pay the cost to get it done or the problem wont be going away. A few weeks & it's sorted, but the alternative is it's madness to plan to be still in the same situation another year from now like they're doing.
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Marki
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+xThis mornings early coffee, reading the news, I saw a photo of an international soccer match in England overnight - full house at Wembley. How ignorant can people get. That's on their government. The people that are double vaccinated aren't immune to catching it. I know there's an element of rebellion there at the suggestion of lockdowns, but too bad, they just have to pay the cost to get it done or the problem wont be going away. A few weeks & it's sorted, but the alternative is it's madness to plan to be still in the same situation another year from now like they're doing. On the contrary BN... The UK suffered a lockdown far worse than we ever did. They also suffered a heavy death toll too. But they have managed to vaccinate most of their population and are now at a stage where they feel comfortable with the remaining death toll being not indifferent to that of typical flu. We on the other hand are playing a different game.... 1) Because we are in the enviable position of low case numbers and death toll; 2) Because we dont have access to preferred vaccines; 3) Because our economy can sustain itself for a while; 4) Closed border policy and island nation; 5) We are a nanny state In about 6-12 months, AUS runs the risk of missing the lucrative economic "bounce back" following a global pandemic due to its choice to not keep with other 1st world nations. Once again, we will manage to get by without it and in about 3 years we will back aligned with the growth of those developed countries. I'm now at the crossroads on this topic. I use to think we were in a far better position than rest of the world but we never dealt with the issue.... we just deferred it and will now have to deal with it in about 8 months time...
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It's not an easy one for the politicians in the UK because they have the pressure from people against lockdowns (angry singing soccer crowds for starters it seems), also there's the commercial side with so much money involved. But accepting it as "just" a nasty flu for double vaccinated people, which still entails a serious death toll or 2 weeks of hell at best, not to mention all of the international ramifications really is bad, at least in my opinion it is. It just doesn't get rid of it or prevent new cases getting in & spreading which is the main objective (at least as far as common sense goes). So it's just an ongoing compromise that doesn't change anything. Maybe they're waiting for magic pills to make it all go away but they're more likely to get more strains & variants, which due to their way of going about things will also spread everywhere. Nothing we can do about it, just hope they get it sorted with what they have to work with along with all the unfortunate obstacles their gov could do without, but it doesn't seem likely if people are willing to keep spreading it around in such a way.
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Happy INside Sport BDP birthday comrades...
Raise a glass to BN today while in lockdown!!!...
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+xHappy INside Sport BDP birthday comrades... Raise a glass to BN today while in lockdown!!!... 3 years. How long ago did the BDP start? It's been around since the 90s right? With MattO, IanC, Fender, DragonBoy...
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+x+xHappy INside Sport BDP birthday comrades... Raise a glass to BN today while in lockdown!!!... 3 years. How long ago did the BDP start? It's been around since the 90s right? With MattO, IanC, Fender, DragonBoy... Don’t forget the likes of Darren B, Smack, TAFKA the tripper, OldDog, HelenP, AnnaV and of course Bigturd... and the list goes on...
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+xHappy INside Sport BDP birthday comrades... Raise a glass to BN today while in lockdown!!!... Wow it was on this day... Other events on this day in history include : Huge comet fragment flattened 2000 square km of forest in Siberia. Donald Trump met Kim Jong-Un in Nth Korea. The worlds first emergency telephone number (999) launched in London. Gone With The Wind was published. Superman made his first appearance in DC comics. Blondin walked a 335m tightrope across Niagra Falls. The July 4th scene from the Steven Spielberg movie "Jaws" was filmed. The international Cassini spacecraft entered Saturn's orbit. The craft had been on a nearly seven-year journey. ..and many more, but this post is getting bloated. Cheers...
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+x+xHappy INside Sport BDP birthday comrades... Raise a glass to BN today while in lockdown!!!... Wow it was on this day... Other events on this day in history include : Huge comet fragment flattened 2000 square km of forest in Siberia. Donald Trump met Kim Jong-Un in Nth Korea. The worlds first emergency telephone number (999) launched in London. Gone With The Wind was published. Superman made his first appearance in DC comics. Blondin walked a 335m tightrope across Niagra Falls. The July 4th scene from the Steven Spielberg movie "Jaws" was filmed. The international Cassini spacecraft entered Saturn's orbit. The craft had been on a nearly seven-year journey. ..and many more, but this post is getting bloated. Cheers... 15 years ago Dman was sober for 48 hours, or was that 20 years?
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I am looking forward to seeing how our young players go.
No one expects us to beat Manly, our side is an unknown quantity.
Stimpson on the bench isn't ideal, but he may rise to the occasion.
He was a good player before a run of injuries.
Manly look to big and powerful, but that partially depends on who has the majoity of posession.
To be a chance we need more thsn 50% posession and our defence has to frustrate them.
It is always hard to beat a side containing Tommy Turbo, I hope we have a crack.
We need Flanno switched on and confident, hopefully he sees thus as an opportunity, the support cast should be a lot better.
I don't think the changes have weakened our team that much.
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Marki
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+xI am looking forward to seeing how our young players go. No one expects us to beat Manly, our side is an unknown quantity. Stimpson on the bench isn't ideal, but he may rise to the occasion. He was a good player before a run of injuries. Manly look to big and powerful, but that partially depends on who has the majoity of posession. To be a chance we need more thsn 50% posession and our defence has to frustrate them. It is always hard to beat a side containing Tommy Turbo, I hope we have a crack. We need Flanno switched on and confident, hopefully he sees thus as an opportunity, the support cast should be a lot better. I don't think the changes have weakened our team that much. I'm not looking forward to Flano..... I've watched him in reggies and he has learnt nothing. I expect rubbish kick to the throat of Tommy Turbo who will swallow them and then his eyes will light up at the staggered defence..... Still......miracles do happen...
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+x+xI am looking forward to seeing how our young players go. No one expects us to beat Manly, our side is an unknown quantity. Stimpson on the bench isn't ideal, but he may rise to the occasion. He was a good player before a run of injuries. Manly look to big and powerful, but that partially depends on who has the majoity of posession. To be a chance we need more thsn 50% posession and our defence has to frustrate them. It is always hard to beat a side containing Tommy Turbo, I hope we have a crack. We need Flanno switched on and confident, hopefully he sees thus as an opportunity, the support cast should be a lot better. I don't think the changes have weakened our team that much. I'm not looking forward to Flano..... I've watched him in reggies and he has learnt nothing. I expect rubbish kick to the throat of Tommy Turbo who will swallow them and then his eyes will light up at the staggered defence..... Still......miracles do happen... It's all about next year now. It will be good to see what we've got coming through. Also help with release and retention decisions.
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+x+xI am looking forward to seeing how our young players go. No one expects us to beat Manly, our side is an unknown quantity. Stimpson on the bench isn't ideal, but he may rise to the occasion. He was a good player before a run of injuries. Manly look to big and powerful, but that partially depends on who has the majoity of posession. To be a chance we need more thsn 50% posession and our defence has to frustrate them. It is always hard to beat a side containing Tommy Turbo, I hope we have a crack. We need Flanno switched on and confident, hopefully he sees thus as an opportunity, the support cast should be a lot better. I don't think the changes have weakened our team that much. I'm not looking forward to Flano..... I've watched him in reggies and he has learnt nothing. I expect rubbish kick to the throat of Tommy Turbo who will swallow them and then his eyes will light up at the staggered defence..... Still......miracles do happen... I guess we will find out. We struggle with bigger forward packs, there are very few games where the bigger side with the majority of posession loses. Manly are a big side across the board. This is an opportunity for Flanno, we will see what he has got. IMO he needs a steady game with few errors, rather than a brilliant game. If he makes a hash of the kicking game we are little chance. If it is really bad, Baz will hook Flanno and give BBO a run, that would be an interesting experiment. BBO reminds me more of Ewan McGrady or Preston Campbell than Ben Barba. So not a fast, but more of an instrictive player, when I saw him in the 9s he wasn't afraid to try a flashy high risk play. So BBO and Flanno are opposite ends of the spectrum. Flanno is a better defender. This team selection suggests Baz is rolling the dice and is not afraid to try things.
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Marki
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+x+x+xI am looking forward to seeing how our young players go. No one expects us to beat Manly, our side is an unknown quantity. Stimpson on the bench isn't ideal, but he may rise to the occasion. He was a good player before a run of injuries. Manly look to big and powerful, but that partially depends on who has the majoity of posession. To be a chance we need more thsn 50% posession and our defence has to frustrate them. It is always hard to beat a side containing Tommy Turbo, I hope we have a crack. We need Flanno switched on and confident, hopefully he sees thus as an opportunity, the support cast should be a lot better. I don't think the changes have weakened our team that much. I'm not looking forward to Flano..... I've watched him in reggies and he has learnt nothing. I expect rubbish kick to the throat of Tommy Turbo who will swallow them and then his eyes will light up at the staggered defence..... Still......miracles do happen... It's all about next year now. It will be good to see what we've got coming through. Also help with release and retention decisions. As cruel as this sounds i'd like to keep and release the following players Meaney = Keep Okunbor / T Katoa / Cotric / Chrichton = Keep Hoppa = Release Schoup = Keep Allen = Keep Avo / Wakeham / Lewis = Keep Flano = Release if we can Napa / Ogden = Release Hetherington / Thompson = Keep Atoni / Ava = Keep Elliott / C Smith / Topine = Keep Jackson = Undecided JMK / Dietz = Keep S Katoa / Stimson = Release New confirmed additions = JAC, Burton, Naden We probably need another backup fullback as releasing DWZ and Hoppa means we only have Meaney as recognised fullback. Ideally we can get a centre that can play fullback. Unless of course Barrett is thinking of playing Averillo there. Either way, we probably need an attacking centre as Naden is more of a speedstar with suspect defence and we need a weapon. I'd be asking Brenko Lee to come back if possible as he the exact type of centre needed inside JAC.
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Marki, if you missed the reports, Meaney already signed for Storm for next year.
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C'bury fined $50k for the 5 player breach & the players individual fines from $5k down, depending on the player & their contract I guess.
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