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hounddog - 10 Jun 2019 11:22 AM
dman2018 - 10 Jun 2019 11:09 AM

I can confirm it isn't me :)

Actually it is, the negotiation is so secret even you or BigT  don't know...
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dman2018 - 10 Jun 2019 11:09 AM
tony v_2 - 10 Jun 2019 4:48 AM

Latrell...

If we wait afew more weeks, his poor form should translate into a discount....
Might get him for 500k a season!
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Ahhhj germoulists...
From James Hooper on Saturday Fox...
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The Wests Tigers are in the midst of a $3 million fire sale as new coach Michael Maguire attempts to create room to sign Kiwi Test captain Dallin Watene-Zelezniak.

While the Bulldogs are also chasing the signature of DWZ, Maguire and the Tigers are in the box seat given the head coach is also the New Zealand Test coach.

Watene-Zelezniak has agreed to terms with the Tigers but cannot sign anything until the club first moves a player.
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Bwahahahahaha!!!!
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dman2018 - 10 Jun 2019 12:07 PM
hounddog - 10 Jun 2019 11:22 AM

Actually it is, the negotiation is so secret even you or BigT  don't know...

Hmmm the wife said I have been talking on the phone in my  sleep....... 
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Bulldogs to exploit salary cap to attract NRL’s biggest stars
Canterbury will have an unprecedented $8.5m war chest to chase some of the NRL’s biggest names — including the Trbojevic brothers and Kalyn Ponga — after next season.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal the Bulldogs have just two senior players signed beyond the end of next year — prop Dylan Napa (2021) and forward Corey Harawira-Naera (2022).
While club officials expect success to be difficult over the next 18 months, Canterbury is planning to totally reinvigorate their playing roster in a desperate attempt to become a rugby league powerhouse once again.
Virtually all the current playing roster will either come off contract or be shopped around over the next year-and-a-half.
That would leave Canterbury with a war chest of between $8m to $8.5m to hunt down some of the game’s elite. The club will have the financial muscle to target any superstar player.
And no other NRL club will have such an extraordinary amount of space under their salary cap.
Canterbury players coming off contract over the next 18 months include Kieran Foran, Josh Jackson, Adam Elliott, Raymond Faitala-Mariner, Marcelo Montoya, Will Hopoate, Lachlan Lewis, Reimis Smith, Jack Cogger, Rhyse Martin, Sauaso Sue, Aiden Tolman and new recruit Dallin Waetene-Zeleniak.
Bulldogs players will play Monday afternoon’s game against St George Illawarra at ANZ Stadium aware they must perform or perish at Belmore.
Canterbury is closely monitoring the futures of Newcastle’s Ponga and Manly’s Tom and Jake Trbojevic. The Bulldogs know they urgently require a marquee player.
The Trbojevic brothers are free agents from November 1 and come off contract after next season.
Sea Eagles officials will be absolutely desperate to lock both down before the pair have an opportunity to test themselves on the open market where massive offers would await.
NRL recruitment and list managers believe Jake would be worth $700,000 a season while Tom could attract offers around $850,000 a year.
Ponga still has two-and-a-half years remaining on his current deal but has become the hottest property in the game.
Newcastle still hasn’t upgraded Ponga, the player and club not having discussed the matter for the past three weeks.
The Bulldogs can’t legally make offers to the Trbojevic brothers or Ponga but the players have been quietly discussed inside the club’s Belmore bunker.
One well-placed source close to Canterbury said: “The Dogs will be very active. There isn’t a lot the club can do before 2021 but come the end of 2020, there is a lot they can do.
“The Bulldogs will be as active as anyone else in the market. Canterbury has a winning DNA. Coming last — where they sit now — doesn’t sit well at Belmore. They will have as much money as any other club — if not more.
“There will still be some tough days ahead over the next year-and-a-half — there isn’t a lot the club can do about that — but then they will have a huge chunk of money on their books.”
Insiders close to Canterbury suggest every NRL club would be observing the Trbojevic situation.
Lesser known Canterbury players Christian Crichton, Nick Meany, Jayden Okunbor are also contracted until the end of 2021.
Bulldogs chief executive Andrew Hill could not contacted for comment.
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This is refreshing:- 
https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/06/10/why-sacking-brennan-is-not-the-answer-to-gold-coast-woes/

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tony v_2 - 10 Jun 2019 12:28 PM
Bulldogs to exploit salary cap to attract NRL’s biggest stars
Canterbury will have an unprecedented $8.5m war chest to chase some of the NRL’s biggest names — including the Trbojevic brothers and Kalyn Ponga — after next season.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal the Bulldogs have just two senior players signed beyond the end of next year — prop Dylan Napa (2021) and forward Corey Harawira-Naera (2022).
While club officials expect success to be difficult over the next 18 months, Canterbury is planning to totally reinvigorate their playing roster in a desperate attempt to become a rugby league powerhouse once again.
Virtually all the current playing roster will either come off contract or be shopped around over the next year-and-a-half.
That would leave Canterbury with a war chest of between $8m to $8.5m to hunt down some of the game’s elite. The club will have the financial muscle to target any superstar player.
And no other NRL club will have such an extraordinary amount of space under their salary cap.
Canterbury players coming off contract over the next 18 months include Kieran Foran, Josh Jackson, Adam Elliott, Raymond Faitala-Mariner, Marcelo Montoya, Will Hopoate, Lachlan Lewis, Reimis Smith, Jack Cogger, Rhyse Martin, Sauaso Sue, Aiden Tolman and new recruit Dallin Waetene-Zeleniak.
Bulldogs players will play Monday afternoon’s game against St George Illawarra at ANZ Stadium aware they must perform or perish at Belmore.
Canterbury is closely monitoring the futures of Newcastle’s Ponga and Manly’s Tom and Jake Trbojevic. The Bulldogs know they urgently require a marquee player.
The Trbojevic brothers are free agents from November 1 and come off contract after next season.
Sea Eagles officials will be absolutely desperate to lock both down before the pair have an opportunity to test themselves on the open market where massive offers would await.
NRL recruitment and list managers believe Jake would be worth $700,000 a season while Tom could attract offers around $850,000 a year.
Ponga still has two-and-a-half years remaining on his current deal but has become the hottest property in the game.
Newcastle still hasn’t upgraded Ponga, the player and club not having discussed the matter for the past three weeks.
The Bulldogs can’t legally make offers to the Trbojevic brothers or Ponga but the players have been quietly discussed inside the club’s Belmore bunker.
One well-placed source close to Canterbury said: “The Dogs will be very active. There isn’t a lot the club can do before 2021 but come the end of 2020, there is a lot they can do.
“The Bulldogs will be as active as anyone else in the market. Canterbury has a winning DNA. Coming last — where they sit now — doesn’t sit well at Belmore. They will have as much money as any other club — if not more.
“There will still be some tough days ahead over the next year-and-a-half — there isn’t a lot the club can do about that — but then they will have a huge chunk of money on their books.”
Insiders close to Canterbury suggest every NRL club would be observing the Trbojevic situation.
Lesser known Canterbury players Christian Crichton, Nick Meany, Jayden Okunbor are also contracted until the end of 2021.
Bulldogs chief executive Andrew Hill could not contacted for comment.

The clever way to do things is allow some of these articles to surface to get everyone think we cant do anything till 2021, but behind the scenes get 1 or 2 players on back-ended contracts. 

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The Daily Telegraph can reveal the Bulldogs have just two senior players signed beyond the end of next year
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Oh my what a revelation!!!!... Who would e know???... No doubt a Walkley on its way to the Terrorcrap this year...

#hacks...
#germoulists....
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Marki - 10 Jun 2019 1:48 PM
tony v_2 - 10 Jun 2019 12:28 PM

The clever way to do things is allow some of these articles to surface to get everyone think we cant do anything till 2021, but behind the scenes get 1 or 2 players on back-ended contracts. 

Because if you are going to do any back-ending it's a situation like this.....you have a war chest and a heap of inflated players all off contract.
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Marki - 10 Jun 2019 1:48 PM
tony v_2 - 10 Jun 2019 12:28 PM

The clever way to do things is allow some of these articles to surface to get everyone think we cant do anything till 2021, but behind the scenes get 1 or 2 players on back-ended contracts. 

What's clever about it???... How have we allowed it to surface???... It's just typically beige article with no new information that has the Bulldogs name attached to it to garner clicks...

The clubs been clear it won't go down back ended deals path again, and the NRLol won't allow it... at least not to the extent we have done previously...


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Marki - 10 Jun 2019 1:50 PM
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Because if you are going to do any back-ending it's a situation like this.....you have a war chest and a heap of inflated players all off contract.

Makes sense, but as said NRLol will not allow it...

It was as always just another NRLol mandated method cap cheating in a particular year...
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dman2018 - 10 Jun 2019 1:54 PM
Marki - 10 Jun 2019 1:48 PM

What's clever about it???... How have we allowed it to surface???... It's just typically beige article with no new information that has the Bulldogs name attached to it to garner clicks...

The clubs been clear it won't go down back ended deals path again, and the NRLol won't allow it... at least not to the extent we have done previously...


I think the club might be quietly leaking misleading information, any player names mentioned may or may not be the ones we are after.

Once players we are after have permission to negotiate for 2021, we can start talking.... but we don't have much money to play with for 2020.

JWZ was an example of a player to strengthen the side 2019/2020, we hopefully have a few more quality players coming for 2020 but not at high prices....

I see this an an opportunity, we lock in some good players at good prices, that we can upgrade/extend later if they work out ... or not if they don't

For 2021 the opportunity is not signing a high number of players, it is targeting 1-3 really good players to be our highly paid players, while leaving enough cap space for the rest of the squad..... no reason why we tell Fred C, Big Tony, or the media, who we want for those 1-3 highly paid players.

And besides not knowing anything, I am sworn to secrecy... 
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dman2018 - 10 Jun 2019 1:54 PM
Marki - 10 Jun 2019 1:48 PM

What's clever about it???... How have we allowed it to surface???... It's just typically beige article with no new information that has the Bulldogs name attached to it to garner clicks...

The clubs been clear it won't go down back ended deals path again, and the NRLol won't allow it... at least not to the extent we have done previously...


It's the act of misdirection Dman....
You let it be known you are restricted to make a play for any good players for the next 18months, yet behind the scenes you can negotiate with players and their managers at value rates rather competitive bidding.

It's just a thought. I know the NRL has placed restrictions, but if you only did 1 or 2 players I'm sure they wont be obstructive - especially if you show them how you intend to accommodate the back payments in 2021 and beyond.

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dman2018 - 10 Jun 2019 1:58 PM
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Makes sense, but as said NRLol will not allow it...

It was as always just another NRLol mandated method cap cheating in a particular year...

The NRL should be more worried how TPA's cheat the cap rather than back ended contracts which arent really cheating anyway. 
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While spending the most money, or buying the right players always helps, I don't think that is all a club needs to do. 

Granted it mostly works out fine for the Roosters.

At a club like the Dogs we still need to develop players, that means local juniors, imported juniors and imported lower grade players, also a few NRL players that are out of favour at other clubs..

The players we know best are the ones already at our club, extending the best of our players and fighting off attempts to poach them is equally important....

That is the cake ... the icing that is the difference between top 8 and top 4 with a chance, is those key 1-3 strategic recruits, them being what we don't have, and what we really need. 

With DWZ, Meaney and a few of our other young kids I would question why we need an elite marquee fullback , especially when we could sign someone like Scott Drinkwater or Nicho Hynes.... it isn't hard to have 3-4 quality fullback options...
  
IMO a marquee halfback is a higher priority, I'm less certain about the ability of our halfback options and I don't think there are many quality halfbacks around that are readily available.,.. So there is more than one marquee position...  but there are some where we might have vacancies.
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We won't go above $100k per contract, per season, backended. I don't know about any NRL rules (I know the AFL have them) but I do know one of the honcho's (Andrew Hill I think it was, could've been Lynn A) said exactly that about a year ago, think it was at that hyped Members gig or the articles that came out around the same time.

So you see it's not as if we won't backend, we just set ourselves a line. And that line's fluid enough to give you something to work with while giving you a ceiling to keep your head down.

We set a rule because of what got us into the bad times and it's a good rule with enough flexibility and enough restriction. Let's not forget what got us here in the first place just because we now got more money that we know what to do with.
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Zef - 10 Jun 2019 2:47 PM
We won't go above $100k per contract, per season, backended. I don't know about any NRL rules (I know the AFL have them) but I do one of the honcho's (Andrew Hill I think it was, could've been Lynn A) said exactly that about a year ago, think it was at that hyped Members gig or the articles that came out around the same time.

So you see it's not as if we won't backend, we just set ourselves a line. And that line's fluid enough to give you something to work with while giving you a ceiling to keep your head down.

We set a rule because of what got us into the bad times, It's a good rule with enough flexibility and enough restriction. Let's not forgot what got us here in the first place just because we now got more money that we know what to do with.

Good suggestion may be within that $100K back ended is a quality play for 200K in 2020, 300K in 2021, with an option in the clubs favour for 400K in 2022/2023, That is the maximum I would do..
Options in our favour are a great way of backending without being locked into over paying around 2021, we would know if 2023 looked like a good deal.  
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Marki - 10 Jun 2019 2:27 PM
dman2018 - 10 Jun 2019 1:58 PM

The NRL should be more worried how TPA's cheat the cap rather than back ended contracts which arent really cheating anyway. 

Oh come on surely its technical cheating!!!... ;)
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There is why Montoya will NEVER be a regular 1st grader....

Leaves his winger posted on 2 occasions with poor reads = 2 Dragon Tries



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Villi - 10 Jun 2019 4:18 PM
There is why Montoya will NEVER be a regular 1st grader....

Leaves his winger posted on 2 occasions with poor reads = 2 Dragon Tries




Fekking Elliott doing his best Montoya impersonation.... 
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Villi - 10 Jun 2019 4:29 PM
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Fekking Elliott doing his best Montoya impersonation.... 


So soft..... every Dragons Try has been bloody soft from horrendous reads in defence


Cmon Dogs!!!!!!!!
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what a dog tariq sims taking cogger out  real FN   dog
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even elliett  in my view there is no way he should start in the run on team ahead of hariera nira he must start , elliettt offering nothing as usual 
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With that last raid from the dragqueens first the foot on the line and then a knock on...... really.......are the refs that one sided. We are being screwed big time.
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reading  a story before june 30th bulldogs set to get a st george centre ,it will be 1  out of theses 3 listed 
zak lomax but he isnt in coming he wants to stay in the gone ,then you got euan atkins & or  tim lafai mail doing the rounds , but the dogs look certain to off reece matin in order to do this all  by the june 30th  
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tony v_2 - 10 Jun 2019 4:52 PM
reading  a story before june 30th bulldogs set to get a st george centre ,it will be 1  out of theses 3 listed 
zak lomax but he isnt in coming he wants to stay in the gone ,then you got euan atkins & or  tim lafai mail doing the rounds , but the dogs look certain to off reece matin in order to do this all  by the june 30th  

We'd be nuts to let Martin go.
We only look like a football team when he is on.

If I see JMK make another break with no support player in sight, I might fekking take the field myself!
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Foran once again proving he is not worth half the money we pay him. 
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Remember about my execution wall?
A couple just made it on there....
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I'm calling it now....
Not only will we be wooden spooners, but we fekking deserve it. 
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