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You have to live in Victoria (possibly SA or WA) to understand why AFL is so important to this discussion.
AFL is a total obsession here. It kills everything. It takes up all the media. It has priority at Councils. Everything.
Football will always struggle in Australia while that is the case.
(Now if NSW and Queensland were any good at sport perhaps Australia could get by but you spend too much time on the beach to be good at sport).

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Croatia got P&R ?

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 12 Jul 2018 10:14 AM
Croatia got P&R ?

Yes & 4 divisions








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tsf - 12 Jul 2018 9:58 AM
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What evidence would you like mr angry?

All posts require evidence now for his royal highness?

Well you could start with the Olympics. The only objective measure of a nations general sporting prowess:
Per Capita - Australia finished 15th in Rio
Per GDP - Australia finished 45th in Rio 
^^
This tells me that we punch above our weight compared to countries with greater population, but we are inefficient in our resource allocation. 

Conversely..........
Per Capita - Croatia finished 5th in Rio
Per GDP - Croatia finished 14th in Rio
Not only does Croatia punch above its weight in population, but they are more efficient with their resource allocation. 

Australia wastes a lot of money in sport. We could learn a lot more from Croatia in terms of how to spend our money more efficiently. That is an objective starting point.  
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As Zlatko Dalic’s side face England in the World Cup last four with no system for developing players at home, is it chaos that makes them good footballers?

As Croatia won the coin toss before the penalty shootout against Russia in the World Cup quarter-final, Luka Modric, their captain, shouted across the pitch to his goalkeeper, Danijel Subasic: “Are we gonna go first?”

They did not. Despite evidence that the team taking the first penalty wins 60% of shootouts there was a certain logic in them choosing to go second; the Monaco goalkeeper is a penalty specialist, having let in only 58% of the spot-kicks he has faced in Ligue 1 and saved three out of five as Croatia knocked out Denmark in this World Cup.

Giving Subasic the chance to save a penalty first could conceivably have handed Croatia an edge. But that is not the point here. The point is that they got all that way, to a quarter-final of a World Cup, and to a second consecutive shootout without a plan.

These players got to the defining moment of their international careers without knowing what to do in that situation. Compared with England’s thorough preparation for their shootout against Colombia, Croatia’s seems a joke.

“Penalties are always a lottery; you never know what will happen,” the Croatia manager, Zlatko Dalic, said after the win against Denmark. “The day before, we shot two series of them, although it wasn’t my intention to practise penalties because we always expect to solve everything within 90 minutes.”

In some countries the manager might be criticised or even mocked for that kind of approach but in Croatia few seemed to care. “We went through, everything is great,” Subasic said, summing up the general mood before adding the old “lottery” shtick himself. And of course he got away with it, because that is the culture – no one should question you as long as you are winning; those who do are denounced for “ruining the atmosphere”.

But it was also symptomatic of a more general decision-making and preparation process in Croatian football. There is no long-term or medium-term plan, no blueprint, no established system. Croatians are masters of improvisation.

People often ask how it is possible for a nation of only four million to produce so many class footballers. A proper answer, apart from the esoteric clichés of natural predeterminism or genetic predisposition, has never been offered by anyone. Sure, there are some good youth coaches – obviously, given all the talent developed in recent years – but there is no general programme in place that systematically educates or distributes young players across the country. Very few new stadiums have been built or properly renovated in the past three decades and the same goes for training grounds. The facilities almost everywhere are basic, at best; a lot of pitches are awful, the clubs struggling to make ends meet.

For years Croatia’s youth national teams depended heavily on the output of one club’s programme. Lavishly funded by the city, the Dinamo Zagreb academy could afford to have the best (and the most) coaches and broaden its catchment area throughout the country, and beyond. Thanks to Dinamo’s massive influence in the Croatian football federation, their youngsters have been almost automatically called up for Croatia – at one point two years ago, the under-17 team had 11 out of 11 players from Dinamo in their starting lineup – and only recently has their monopoly started to be broken up. Other clubs are slowly catching up, particularly Dinamo’s arch rivals, Hajduk Split, who are revamping their academy.

Dinamo have also had Lokomotiva – their feeder club to all intents and purposes – allowed to play in the top division against all competitive logic. Six players from the current World Cup squad have played at Lokomotiva at some point, gaining valuable first-team experience at top national club level after graduating from the academy.

Still, there is no system, no plan. Dinamo have for years manically fired and hired coaches, changing their approach to youth development almost every time; and Croatia did the same. Dinamo have sacked their head coach 17 times in the past 13 years – during which time they have won 12 league titles. The last three Croatia managers who lost their jobs – Igor Stimac, Niko Kovac and Ante Cacic – did so just before decisive matches in qualifying.

The current incumbent, Dalic, was appointed only 48 hours before the final group game in Ukraine, which Croatia had to win in order to reach the play-offs. He met his players at Zagreb airport before flying to Kiev.All this time the federation’s investment in infrastructure and grassroots football has been down to a bare minimum, their vision non-existent. A couple of years ago they commissioned Romeo Jozak, their technical director at the time, to put together a long-term plan for the development of Croatian football, very much like what Michel Sablon has done for Belgium. Jozak was fired weeks before presenting his plan.Strategy, logic and order play little part in Croatian football. And some would suggest that ethos – or lack of it – translates to the pitch as well. How else can you explain that a team with some of the best midfielders at this tournament is refusing to take control of the midfield in matches?

Against Russia, Croatia played 109 long balls and, although they were clearly the better team, made things hard for themselves by not playing to their strengths. Consequently they had to rely on another “lottery” to progress.

Could it be, however, that these cheeky and resourceful Croatians, in fact thrive on chaos and lack of organisation? Being used to improvisation from a young age, maybe they have accepted it as part of their mentality and now cannot succeed in any other way as a group? It is a tempting theory – although, of course, maybe they were just plain lucky.

The match against England may provide an answer.





Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Iknowbest - 12 Jul 2018 10:07 AM
You have to live in Victoria (possibly SA or WA) to understand why AFL is so important to this discussion.
AFL is a total obsession here. It kills everything. It takes up all the media. It has priority at Councils. Everything.
Football will always struggle in Australia while that is the case.
(Now if NSW and Queensland were any good at sport perhaps Australia could get by but you spend too much time on the beach to be good at sport).

This isnt 100% correct. as media attention is still heavily focusesd on AFL but junior participation is through the roof and many councils in Melbourne's West & North are converting AFL/Cricket ovals into training grounds for football. Also there is an seismic shift to football amongst kids, most noticeable by the lack of kids wearing AFL tops. 








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socceroo_06 - 12 Jul 2018 10:15 AM
tsf - 12 Jul 2018 9:58 AM

Well you could start with the Olympics. The only objective measure of a nations general sporting prowess:
Per Capita - Australia finished 15th in Rio
Per GDP - Australia finished 45th in Rio 
^^
This tells me that we punch above our weight compared to countries with greater population, but we are inefficient in our resource allocation. 

Conversely..........
Per Capita - Croatia finished 5th in Rio
Per GDP - Croatia finished 14th in Rio
Not only does Croatia punch above its weight in population, but they are more efficient with their resource allocation. 

Australia wastes a lot of money in sport. We could learn a lot more from Croatia in terms of how to spend our money more efficiently. That is an objective starting point.  

Imo you've highlighted how we are not as good at sport as we think, which is what I said. 
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tsf - 12 Jul 2018 10:22 AM
socceroo_06 - 12 Jul 2018 10:15 AM

So you've highlighted how we are not that good at sport, which is what I said. 

No, I highlighted that we are good at sport but wasteful with our resources. 
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socceroo_06 - 12 Jul 2018 10:24 AM
tsf - 12 Jul 2018 10:22 AM

No, I highlighted that we are good at sport but wasteful with our resources. 

Did you include Winter Olympics ?


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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socceroo_06 - 12 Jul 2018 10:24 AM
tsf - 12 Jul 2018 10:22 AM

No, I highlighted that we are good at sport but wasteful with our resources. 

Take out swimming and we'd be ranked 100th in the Olympics.  TSF is right.

There's only about 3 sports which other countries play in large numbers that we are decent in. 

Mens field hockey.
Womens basketball and
Womens waterpolo.

And that's about it.


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AJF - 12 Jul 2018 10:21 AM
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This isnt 100% correct. as media attention is still heavily focusesd on AFL but junior participation is through the roof and many councils in Melbourne's West & North are converting AFL/Cricket ovals into training grounds for football. Also there is an seismic shift to football amongst kids, most noticeable by the lack of kids wearing AFL tops. 

Very true, but the AFL still gets 99% of the government funding. 
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Munrubenmuz - 12 Jul 2018 10:27 AM
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Take out swimming and we'd be ranked 100th in the Olympics.  TSF is right.

There's only about 3 sports which other countries play in large numbers that we are decent in. 

Mens field hockey.
Womens basketball and
Womens waterpolo.

And that's about it.

I was trying to think of a few and only had the top two you got.
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Looks like we'll be throwing out the instruction books and doing it the Croatian way for the next 20 years!




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Munrubenmuz - 12 Jul 2018 10:27 AM
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Take out swimming and we'd be ranked 100th in the Olympics.  TSF is right.

There's only about 3 sports which other countries play in large numbers that we are decent in. 

Mens field hockey.
Womens basketball and
Womens waterpolo.

And that's about it.

Take out swimming? One of the most participated sports in the world.....'righto. 
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tsf - 12 Jul 2018 10:30 AM
Munrubenmuz - 12 Jul 2018 10:27 AM

I was trying to think of a few and only had the top two you got.

cricket and rugby are probably 2 and 3 for biggest sports in the world depending on how you measure it and we have been consistently one of the better nations at those

also makes no sense to take out our best sport at the olympics. We do alright there
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AJF - 12 Jul 2018 10:21 AM
Iknowbest - 12 Jul 2018 10:07 AM

This isnt 100% correct. as media attention is still heavily focusesd on AFL but junior participation is through the roof and many councils in Melbourne's West & North are converting AFL/Cricket ovals into training grounds for football. Also there is an seismic shift to football amongst kids, most noticeable by the lack of kids wearing AFL tops. 

What I said is only about 99% correct.
Things are slowly changing.

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AJF - 12 Jul 2018 10:21 AM
Iknowbest - 12 Jul 2018 10:07 AM

This isnt 100% correct. as media attention is still heavily focusesd on AFL but junior participation is through the roof and many councils in Melbourne's West & North are converting AFL/Cricket ovals into training grounds for football. Also there is an seismic shift to football amongst kids, most noticeable by the lack of kids wearing AFL tops. 

Its interesting that you say that football participation in Melbourne is "through the roof".  When measured by registered players the game in Victoria is growing faster than anywhere else in the country.  The rider on that is that at 1.1% of population it is still the lowest penetration in the country.  The average for the country is 2.5% with NSW and ACT at 4%.  Whether it be the Socceroos qualifying for WC's or the A-League taking the game mainstream the big increase in growth started in 2005.  Registered players in Victoria was 36k in 2004 and is 70k now.
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Croatian players are also highly regarded and far more likely to given opportunities at big clubs in Europe than Australian players, who may be burdened by work visa limitations and international duty.  Also clubs like Dinamo and Hajduk Split are fertile grounds for developing renowned talent, so whatever is happening at FA level these clubs have their shit together and know exactly what to do and how to execute it.

One way for Australian players to develop more talent is to form relationships with clubs in Europe, much like what happened with Melbourne City with Mooy and now Arzani.  

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Whatever happened to using the Dutch Curriculum? Maybe we should use the Bulgarian curriculum?


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rusty - 12 Jul 2018 10:51 AM
Croatian players are also highly regarded and far more likely to given opportunities at big clubs in Europe than Australian players, who may be burdened by work visa limitations and international duty.  Also clubs like Dinamo and Hajduk Split are fertile grounds for developing renowned talent, so whatever is happening at FA level these clubs have their shit together and know exactly what to do and how to execute it.

One way for Australian players to develop more talent is to form relationships with clubs in Europe, much like what happened with Melbourne City with Mooy and now Arzani.  

This is a key point. Our clubs are too often focused on winning the toilet seat when they should be pouring their resources into developing talent and selling for a profit. 
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I would suggest there is about 20 years lag between a kid (junior) taking up the sport and then representing their country on the world stage.

Australia hasn't even had a professional league that long let alone an organised broad based junior development program.  Might want to wait a decade before flinging everything out and cutting wrists.

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Munrubenmuz - 12 Jul 2018 10:27 AM

Take out swimming? One of the most participated sports in the world.....'righto. 

Swimming?  We're talking about sports where loads of countries participate.  Until recently it was us and the USA.  And what happened when other countries starting taking it seriously?  We got our arses handed to us on a plate with one of our worst performances at an Olympics ever.

So yeah, swimming.


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SWandP - 12 Jul 2018 11:00 AM
I would suggest there is about 20 years lag between a kid (junior) taking up the sport and then representing their country on the world stage.

Australia hasn't even had a professional league that long let alone an organised broad based junior development program.  Might want to wait a decade before flinging everything out and cutting wrists.

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Summerteeth - 12 Jul 2018 8:18 AM
Let’s introduce AFL to Croatia and they will have the same problem as us.

Let's introduce S. Lowy and D. Gallop to Croatia and they will have the same problem as us
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TheSelectFew - 12 Jul 2018 10:54 AM
Whatever happened to using the Dutch Curriculum? Maybe we should use the Bulgarian curriculum?

This thread if Belgium had beaten the Frogs


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Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Munrubenmuz - 12 Jul 2018 11:27 AM
socceroo_06 - 12 Jul 2018 10:38 AM

Swimming?  We're talking about sports where loads of countries participate.  Until recently it was us and the USA.  And what happened when other countries starting taking it seriously?  We got our arses handed to us on a plate with one of our worst performances at an Olympics ever.

So yeah, swimming.

There are 209 national federations that are members of FINA. If that is not loads of countries that participate (ie the whole world) I don't know what is?Many countries outside of AUS/USA have been FINA members for over 100 years. 

Have a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FINA_member_federations 
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AJF - 12 Jul 2018 10:21 AM

Its interesting that you say that football participation in Melbourne is "through the roof".  When measured by registered players the game in Victoria is growing faster than anywhere else in the country.  The rider on that is that at 1.1% of population it is still the lowest penetration in the country.  The average for the country is 2.5% with NSW and ACT at 4%.  Whether it be the Socceroos qualifying for WC's or the A-League taking the game mainstream the big increase in growth started in 2005.  Registered players in Victoria was 36k in 2004 and is 70k now.

There are many stories in Melbourne about how football is taking over. Many clubs are turning kids away because they dont have enough grounds and one of the guys had to enroll his kids in AFL for a year because all the football teams in his area were full. At my sons school they have huge numbers of kids trying out for the 2 football teams, and the AFL kids play football during breaks, with many telling my son they prefer football but play AFL because their dad played for the club or is making them. 

Unfortunately in Vic the older generation is still heavily biased towards AFL so being the decision makers they send resources to AFL, but the younger generation is more aligned to football and this will filtering through. 








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There are 209 national federations that are members of FINA. If that is not loads of countries that participate (ie the whole world) I don't know what is?Many countries outside of AUS/USA have been FINA members for over 100 years. 

Have a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FINA_member_federations 

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I guess this proves that population isn't the only key to success in football ... China has made how many world cups?? Indonesia?? India?? How'd the USA go this WC??

Pakistan, Bangladesh also in the top 10 most populated countries ...

Brazil, Mexico and Germany would be the only top footballing nations in the top 20 most populous countries. 

Japan has 100 million more people than us and would have more financial clout ... yet they have nearly always been around even keel with Australia (I'd say they are better now, but not by a significant difference).

Canada have over 10 million more with a similar economy, yet couldn't even make the final stage of qualifying for the world cup in CONCACAF (or in 2014 or 2010).

Countries like Costa Rica, Croatia, Denmark punch above their weight in regards to population (Iceland has recently stepped up and punch well above their population weight). Denmark and Iceland may have great systems and processes in place, but Croatia doesn't from reports and having spent time in Costa Rica they don't (although have some good academies especially La Liga and Saprissa ... their national league is nothing special apart from a few stand out teams either).

Growing up I also wrestled and I couldn't get over the success that the Cubans had in the sport, especially when you compare to the relative "professionalism" of the sport in the USA. An American Olympian went to Cuba to see how they produce so many talented wrestlers, he was amazed that the national squad trained in facilities that were subpar to what most high schools had in the States (basically a brick building with mats, a pull up bar and a benchpress machine that would be deemed unsafe in any gym in Australia). Cuba has won a gold medal in wrestling at every Olympics since 1996 (NB the USA is very good at wrestling too, but have a much larger pool than Cuba .. over 300M more people). To me this illustrates (along with the success of countries such as Croatia, Costa Rica in football) that sport science, structures, process can only get you so far ... it still needs to be part of your culture (you need to live and breath it) for ultimate success.

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On the back of Croatia's success, we should include more Croat teams in HAL.

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