FFA Congress Review Working Group Thread


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What’s Lowy said about the potential impact on national sides? All I’ve heard him scaremongering on is grassroots.

FFA get $6m a year from FIFA, then they get $1.2m per away game in the World Cup, then they get to sell the hosting rights to home games, then they get participation money for going to tournaments, then they get even more money from Sports Australia and Caltex.

Not to mention around $6-7m in registration tax every year.

That all sounds enough.

So what has Overlord Lowy said??
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Derider - 29 Sep 2018 1:22 PM
StiflersMom - 29 Sep 2018 8:30 AM

Honestly this is my one and only objection to the proposed model and it's a massive one. No one is even pretending that the national teams won't be worse off under a new model. I just can't accept this. I don't give a shit about any existing a-league club or their revenue, but I do care a lot about the socceroos. I want to see the lavish spending to continue unimpeded in that space.

Therefore, I would vote with the FFA. Fuck the clubs, fuck the interest groups, fuck everything. The socceroos are the only football team in the world I can fully get behind with passion. The clubs and you guys want to take even that away from me. I'm sorry but I can't go along with that. 

I get what you are saying but I look at it like this. We waste a lot of money on the socceroos. In the sense that apart from Guus (and arguably BVM) we have never gotten a top level coach that can really change football in this country, we need one who will be here for a full cycle. Instead the FFA cut out 80% of decent candidates because they dont speak english (not counting for the fact that they will learn). So we over pay someone mediocre for the job (like Pim, and Holger). We send every man and his dog to the tournaments, instead of essential staff only (and I include sport scientists, etc as essential). Our players should not be the highest paid at the world cup... yet they are, and the socceroos academy, the centre of excellence was shut down. Oh and we pay consultants for any decision we make. 




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Waz - 29 Sep 2018 6:15 AM
@ miron Mercedes Lowy has out-thought everyone all the way through this. I imagine he’s got quiet a few legal experts in his corner. See my post below. I think Lowy will get a 1-1 tie on Tuesday. He’ll take that to FIFA and get a compromise. I don’t believe FIFA are up for the fight over this so they’ll cave and give him more time. And somehow Lowy will get himself re-elected.

God I hope you are wrong ...if not we are farked ...well and truly...

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Waz - 29 Sep 2018 3:10 PM
What’s Lowy said about the potential impact on national sides? All I’ve heard him scaremongering on is grassroots. FFA get $6m a year from FIFA, then they get $1.2m per away game in the World Cup, then they get to sell the hosting rights to home games, then they get participation money for going to tournaments, then they get even more money from Sports Australia and Caltex. Not to mention around $6-7m in registration tax every year. That all sounds enough. So what has Overlord Lowy said??

Don't forget ticket sales, merch sales, ground signage, corporate packages 

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@ miron Mercedes

The Lowy’s don’t enter fights without knowing how they’re going to win. This split of the vote into two resolutions would seem to be it, get one over the line to pacify fifa and stop the second to thwart the clubs. Expect some more smoke n mirrors after the vote as well and about three years before we get change

I’m surprised the 6 stakeholders in favour haven’t called a vote of no confidence in lowy (I presume that’s allowed under the constitution)
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not sure how I will react if Lowy stays..do I stay and wait for him to eventually die or do I walk away from my lifelong love ...football. 
Probably the former .
I am beginning to feel like I hate the Lowys ...and I never ever use that word .

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Midfielder - 29 Sep 2018 12:49 AM
miron mercedes - 28 Sep 2018 9:09 PM

You make if nothing else an extremely well argued point.

sorry if i missed it, but could someone pls clarify what exactly the two special resolutions are?
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calciopoli - 29 Sep 2018 4:32 PM
Midfielder - 29 Sep 2018 12:49 AM

sorry if i missed it, but could someone pls clarify what exactly the two special resolutions are?
thanks


good question... I thought there were a lot more than two recommendations

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miron mercedes - 29 Sep 2018 4:39 PM
calciopoli - 29 Sep 2018 4:32 PM

good question

Yep

FFA talk for 11 pages but don't ever actually state what they are


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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miron mercedes - 29 Sep 2018 4:39 PM
calciopoli - 29 Sep 2018 4:32 PM

good question... I thought there were a lot more than two recommendations

There are lots of recommendations from CRWG

There are 2 specific motions to be voted on but no-one has published exactly  what they are

It seems the first is about adopting the Congress make up  (100 votes) and the Second is around the NLWG instigation.


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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miron mercedes - 29 Sep 2018 4:39 PM
calciopoli - 29 Sep 2018 4:32 PM

good question... I thought there were a lot more than two recommendations

accept the crwg proposal + independent HAL
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 29 Sep 2018 4:44 PM
miron mercedes - 29 Sep 2018 4:39 PM

There are lots of recommendations from CRWG

There are 2 specific motions to be voted on but no-one has published exactly  what they are

It seems the first is about adopting the Congress make up  (100 votes) and the Second is around the NLWG instigation.
https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2018-09/20180928%20-%20Board%20Information%20statement%20to%20Members%20re%202%20October%202018%20EGM.pdf

1.At the upcoming General Meeting Members will consider and vote upon two Resolutions.
2.The first Resolution is one to amend the Constitution of FFA to give effect to recommendations made by the CRWG.
3.The second Resolution is intended to set up a process to consider and propose a new A-League Governance Model.



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https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2018-09/20180928%20-%20Board%20Information%20statement%20to%20Members%20re%202%20October%202018%20EGM.pdf

1.At the upcoming General Meeting Members will consider and vote upon two Resolutions.
2.The first Resolution is one to amend the Constitution of FFA to give effect to recommendations made by the CRWG.
3.The second Resolution is intended to set up a process to consider and propose a new A-League Governance Model.



Seems a bit confusing to me.

Doesn't resolution one actually incorporate resolution two?

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bettega - 29 Sep 2018 6:29 PM
Lurker - 29 Sep 2018 6:07 PM

Seems a bit confusing to me.

Doesn't resolution one actually incorporate resolution two?

no
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actually, take that back, it's pretty clear now
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BREAKING NEWS.

News are reporting agreement has been reached and the changes will be passed by all 10 voting members.

The break through is that all State Feds will get to decide what the new A-League nmodel will look like.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/a-league/new-note-of-unity-from-states-aleague-clubs-gives-hope-of-end-to-ugly-battle-engulfing-australian-football/news-story/d593357c9c995488dde1fe5d744827fe

A RESOLUTION to Australian football’s two-year civil war could be in sight, after days of negotiations brought an 11th-hour breakthrough in the battle for political control.

A RESOLUTION to football’s two-year civil war could be in sight, after days of negotiations brought an 11th-hour breakthrough in the battle for political control.Less than 72 hours before a pivotal emergency general meeting to determine the power structure at the head of the game, agreement appears to have been struck among all those who will vote on a set of reforms backed by FIFA but opposed by the board of Football Federation Australia.

News Corp Australia understands that all 10 members of FFA – the nine states and federations, plus the A-League clubs combined – have signed a new notice that was submitted to FFA late on Friday, calling an earlier EGM on Tuesday.The EGM will consider a set of reforms put together with FIFA’s imprimatur and which share power more widely around the game.

The new notice includes amendments reached after intensive talks between the key stakeholders in the last few days, most notably adding all the states to the working group that will design a new model for the A-League once the reforms are passed.

It had been feared that three or four of the states would vote down the reforms, bringing into sharp relief the prospect of FIFA losing patience and possibly suspending Australia from world football on the eve of the Socceroos’ Asian Cup defence.

But the fact that all the voting members have signed the new notice has brought fresh optimism that the reform package will be passed on Tuesday, despite FFA’s board issuing a detailed argument against it.

Under the reforms, the A-League clubs and the players’ association will get more votes, as will representatives of the women’s game. A variety of advisory committees would also be established, to influence the future direction of the game, as well as a working group to restructure the A-League and W-League.

FFA chairman Steven Lowy has said he will stand down if the changes are passed, claiming they will give the professional game too much power at the expense of the grassroots

But the new note of unity among the states and clubs holds open the possibility of an end to a saga that has dominated headlines at the expense of the A-League.

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Midfielder - 29 Sep 2018 8:15 PM
BREAKING NEWS.

News are reporting agreement has been reached and the changes will be passed by all 10 voting members.

The break through is that all State Feds will get to decide what the new A-League nmodel will look like.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/a-league/new-note-of-unity-from-states-aleague-clubs-gives-hope-of-end-to-ugly-battle-engulfing-australian-football/news-story/d593357c9c995488dde1fe5d744827fe

A RESOLUTION to Australian football’s two-year civil war could be in sight, after days of negotiations brought an 11th-hour breakthrough in the battle for political control.

A RESOLUTION to football’s two-year civil war could be in sight, after days of negotiations brought an 11th-hour breakthrough in the battle for political control.Less than 72 hours before a pivotal emergency general meeting to determine the power structure at the head of the game, agreement appears to have been struck among all those who will vote on a set of reforms backed by FIFA but opposed by the board of Football Federation Australia.

News Corp Australia understands that all 10 members of FFA – the nine states and federations, plus the A-League clubs combined – have signed a new notice that was submitted to FFA late on Friday, calling an earlier EGM on Tuesday.The EGM will consider a set of reforms put together with FIFA’s imprimatur and which share power more widely around the game.

The new notice includes amendments reached after intensive talks between the key stakeholders in the last few days, most notably adding all the states to the working group that will design a new model for the A-League once the reforms are passed.

It had been feared that three or four of the states would vote down the reforms, bringing into sharp relief the prospect of FIFA losing patience and possibly suspending Australia from world football on the eve of the Socceroos’ Asian Cup defence.

But the fact that all the voting members have signed the new notice has brought fresh optimism that the reform package will be passed on Tuesday, despite FFA’s board issuing a detailed argument against it.

Under the reforms, the A-League clubs and the players’ association will get more votes, as will representatives of the women’s game. A variety of advisory committees would also be established, to influence the future direction of the game, as well as a working group to restructure the A-League and W-League.

FFA chairman Steven Lowy has said he will stand down if the changes are passed, claiming they will give the professional game too much power at the expense of the grassroots

But the new note of unity among the states and clubs holds open the possibility of an end to a saga that has dominated headlines at the expense of the A-League.

More detail needed. What's the composition of the working group on league independence?

BTW, tidy work negotiating an outcome while Lowy and Dave are too busy watching the AFL grand final
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bohemia - 29 Sep 2018 8:36 PM
Midfielder - 29 Sep 2018 8:15 PM

More detail needed. What's the composition of the working group on league independence?

BTW, tidy work negotiating an outcome while Lowy and Dave are too busy watching the AFL grand final

Along with all the NPL types too apparently.
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bohemia - 29 Sep 2018 8:36 PM
Midfielder - 29 Sep 2018 8:15 PM

More detail needed. What's the composition of the working group on league independence?

BTW, tidy work negotiating an outcome while Lowy and Dave are too busy watching the AFL grand final

Wanta be fair here, to me it seems like they don't want all revenue to A-Leagues clubs...

But if this is all it is then ... DING DONG THE WARLOCK IS DEAD
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Well f’ark .... the overlord only has two days to change some minds then lol
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Waz - 29 Sep 2018 9:43 PM
Well f’ark .... the overlord only has two days to change some minds then lol

does the article really indicate that the new agreement still means ffa wont be happy with it??? i am praying ffa and sLowly will be gone asap so football can take its rightful seat at the head of australian codes
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Midfielder - 29 Sep 2018 9:01 PM
bohemia - 29 Sep 2018 8:36 PM

Wanta be fair here, to me it seems like they don't want all revenue to A-Leagues clubs...

But if this is all it is then ... DING DONG THE WARLOCK IS DEAD

NNSW were saying in the Newcastle Herald that they had some concerns about certain details in the report (not the overall reforms) and that they were trying to get some amendments, seems as though they weren't bullshitting
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Waz - 29 Sep 2018 9:43 PM
Well f’ark .... the overlord only has two days to change some minds then lol

I think the timing of this would have stunned the FFA, especially on a long weekend. They won't be able to counter with anything.







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I hope so. I’d also hope that all these dickheads are as fed up with the saga as we are. The biggest boost to the game will come if we can present a united front and actually work together, from top to bottom of the game, for a change.
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looks like light at the end of the tunnel
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Often when there’s light at the end of the tunnel some bastard goes and orders more tunnel.

Let’s hope not. This could be the best season launch ever.
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I reckon that before and after the NRL Grandfinal Lowy and his henchman Gallop will be working the mobile phone to their mates in the NT, Canberra, Newcastle and Tasmania trying to convince them to vote down the CRWG proposals.
If these guys ignored the calls then we could have a new era.

And I can’t see Gallop working with a new board for the good of Football.

Perhaps, the agreement is based on a revenue sharing model from the A-League TV deal.
Everyone will be happier except current FFA board members who seem to do diddlysquat and get paid heaps for doing nothing except attend functions at our expense
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bohemia - 29 Sep 2018 8:36 PM
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More detail needed. What's the composition of the working group on league independence?

BTW, tidy work negotiating an outcome while Lowy and Dave are too busy watching the AFL grand final

expect some emergency phone calls and meetings in lowy's office to occur during the EGM to derail the meeting

we've seen it before. we'll see it again.  lowy will take the game down rather than accept change.  he will let us cop sanctions from fifa and then attempt to take them to court for breaching the aus corporations act.

 




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bohemia - 29 Sep 2018 8:36 PM

expect some emergency phone calls and meetings in lowy's office to occur during the EGM to derail the meeting

we've seen it before. we'll see it again.  lowy will take the game down rather than accept change.  he will let us cop sanctions from fifa and then attempt to take them to court for breaching the aus corporations act.

The Lowy's are massive pieces of shit & always have been.  I have no doubt he try & derail this in some way. 

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Waz - 30 Sep 2018 8:08 AM
Often when there’s light at the end of the tunnel some bastard goes and orders more tunnel. Let’s hope not. This could be the best season launch ever.

Ha ! Great comment Waz !
Lets see what Lowy counters with. Can't see him giving in until he is dead in the water .
Best news I have heard in a while on this though.

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