hmmmm? maybe the thread next door ?

Nah autorens will save them. If people had to physically pay, they wouldn't. 

Steven Lowy has come out and said FFA have been stitched by false reporting.... if this is so and Vince has just started this for click bait then he should be banned.

From FFA now I am not saying its true, but its what they claim.

“There have been some media reports that suggest FFA has sought to unduly influence the work of the CRWG. These claims are completely false. FFA has always encouraged all stakeholders to openly debate and carefully consider these important issues particularly given the inevitable difficulty of only having some Member Federations on the CRWG,” concluded Lowy. 

FFA remains committed to working constructively with FIFA, AFC and all the stakeholders to produce the best outcome for the game as a whole.

So have  FFA have done this or this is a small action by the small state feds. It needs to be cleared up.  As if this is these small state feds with their noses out of join the anger should be directed to them.. Also if this is more Lowy BS then its further reason to make the bastard walk the plank...

Link for the above... https://www.ffa.com.au/news/ffa-statement-congress-review-working-group-report

Was there for the FFA Cup game between Adelaide Utd and Victory last year. Definitely has the bones of a classic boutique ground, ready to be a mini Hindmarsh.

I want to see what the exact recommendations are... also want to see Lowy and the FFA on record endorsing or rejecting each specific recommendation.

If it's the 4 smaller state federations holding things up (via the FFA or otherwise), then the NC should come in.

FIFA need to step in with the Sep 7 meeting and take over.

The FFA have proved time and time again recently that they have taken the game as far as it can go in that direction.

I read that the FFA and Australia are the least democratic association in world football. Let that sink in. 

"This Submission (not referenced in the report of the CRWG) is an independent report influenced by consultations within these Member Federations and most notably without any influence or collaboration with the Football Federation of Australia. "

So all parties have seen the CRWG report.  And no talks have been held between the FFA and possible allies.
Theses Federations appear unimpressed their submission was not referenced in the report to FIFA

I suppose it depends on when they submitted it but if 40% of the members of the FFA make a joint submission dissenting from part of the proposal I would expect it to be referred to in the report to FIFA because the standard FIFA set for the FFA when they were controlling the process was consensual agreement i.e. all parties to be in agreement, and it appears that is not the case currently in fact should the 4 decide the issues that they are concerned about are such that they cannot support the proposal then the proposal will fail at the EGM.  The CRWG's responsibility would be to make FIFA aware of that fact.

Standard FFA deflection tactic. Did you read Vince's article? He didn't write that they influenced or interfered, he wrote that they 'convinced' them. Which is fair enough..?

FFA say it ain't so...  Several respected figures have stated that it is.  The federations standing with the FFA, who the FFA say they didn't pressure, are known to be FFA lap-dogs.  Meanwhile, they claim that the issues should be openly debated, then fail to openly declare what they feel those issues are.

Seriously - an independent review, by an independent committee, with an independent chair...  And the FFA rejecting it because they know better.  LOL...  If they knew better we wouldn't need the review.

So the reports around this morning suggest the report recommends a 29 member congress, including a timeline for the addition of extra stakeholders not currently represented.

No-one's interfered with the CRWG as far as I can see

This is the 'left out 4' having a whinge that their representatives didn't represent them, despite the fact that all 9 got to chose those 4 representatives

Where was the complaint when FIFA gave them 'only' 4 representatives on the CRWG ? 

Emma Kemp's hotline to those who have seen the 100-page report submitted to FIFA/AFC suggests that the FFA Congress will be expanded to 29 members from four stakeholder groups controlling 100 votes, with the state member federations and A-League clubs joined by the players' union and a women's council, with no one group having enough votes for a bloc. It also sets out criteria and timeline for other groups joining the Congress, such as AAFC, the FSA and the quiet-as-a-whisper Coaches Association. 

http://footballtoday.news/football-media-watch/ffa-congress-ffa-cup-matildas-act-football-brad-jones

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

If the state reps on the CRWG didn't represent their views as they were required to then they have a valid complaint and were correct in making a joint submission direct to the CRWG.

So Griggs would have known about it, addressed it and included her response in the report.

FIFA will then decide if Griggs has done the right thing or not,

and consequently whether the Griggs recommendations submitted should still be approved for an EGM.

Has she done that?  The group of 4 have said that their submission was not included in the report.

Indeed, so they send it to FIFA now (if they didn't cc when it was first submitted to CRWG)

The report itself  is under wraps so why are they doing press releases on Aug 1 ?

@ GyFox

You’re drawing a long bow mate ... the group of 4 say their submission has not been included in the report?

Show me in the FIFA terms of reference where it says everyone’s submission needs to be included in the report?

It’s a bit like democracy, everyone gets a say but the end result is not always the way we individually voted. The group of 4 got to have their input via the state federation members that were on the committee (the ones they agreed would represent them).

That’s all they were guaranteed, an input, not that their views would be “in the report”. As you say, if the 4 State Reps didn’t represent their input that’s one thing, but that’s not the same thing as their input not being represented in the report because after consulting with all parties it’s obvious that some groups opinions would not make the report.

If they are struggling with this concept they’re going to struggle when the congresss expands to 29 votes.

What it looks like they’re saying is, unless the report represents my views and my views alone, then the report is wrong. That’s just fucked up thinking.

Here's the nub

Does anyone know how the 4 State Fed reps were chosen by the 9 ?

Does anyone know if there were protestations at the time ?

Wait on. Let me Google this intense transparent process for you.

I'm sure there will be something.


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and then on August the 1st it's so big a deal they'll vote the whole thing down

I will take an educated guess and say that the reason the smaller federations are annoyed is because the new congress will rightly dilute their power and ability to control football in Australia. The fact that the vast majority of football groups are in agreeance, but could be held up by the smallest federations is a disgrace and exactly the kind of games that have kept Lowrys in complete control.

bit like when Clive Palmer ran the Senate

Love the taste of transparency

Hope this is true.

As to FFA, its time to do two things.
1] Separate the entity FFA from its board and senior management, as we need a national body.

 2] Fire the board and for the first time for me fire Gallop, in the past I have said Gallop was doing what his board told him to do and essentially he can't be held responsible for what the board tell him to do. However reports are emerging he has also been pushing Steven Lowy's views to the smaller state feds. If true he has well and truly over stepped the mark, its not his role to decide who the board should be. 

FFA. Didn't "......................UNDULY .......................influence......What they did was duly influence....The double negative makes it clear.
More weasel words.

Former A-League boss calls for FIFA to boot out FFA board

After two years of dogged resistance to democratising football’s constitution, FFA have ignited widespread anger among the stakeholders by recruiting the votes of four renegade federations to attempt to thwart the recommendations of the congress review working group (CRWG) when they are put before a special general meeting on September 7.The FIFA-installed CRWG has submitted a raft of recommendations on expanding world football’s smallest Congress which FFA were widely expected to rubber stamp.However, it appears a clandestine agreement between Lowy and rogue states ACT, Northern Territory, Northern NSW and Tasmania is looking to block reform, leaving FIFA with the option to boot out the board and impose a normalisation committee.Fraser, whose A-League tenure ran from 2009 to 2011, believes it’s an option that should be acted upon, even though Lowy insists no “undue influence” has been placed on the minnow federations.“When you have four tiny federations (who represent just 18 per cent of participants) prepared to vote against a major reform, it’s simply disgraceful,” Fraser said.“If they are going to do that then come out and tell us why. The system we have is massively broken. It needs a change.“The clubs are ready for it and I think people in Australia have had enough. It’s a power grab by the Lowys to hang on for the last breath.“The governance of the game needs a reboot ... hopefully FIFA will allow that to happen. It’s a test for them now to show they actually mean business.”

FFA, Lowy opposed to congress changes

Fraser gave a withering assessment of where he sees the Australian game and its governing body after 13 years of the A-League.“In any workplace around this country you get measured,” he said.“We have a leadership who have not grown the game. They have no assets; don’t hold the management rights for a single stadium in the country; have no infrastructure; nothing in the bank; hold no media rights and we have a 10 team league where we used to have 13.“By any criteria it’s questionable. It’s time for change and we don’t know why they’re hanging on. Maybe there are skeletons in the closet.”Fraser sees the transition to an independently run A-League as a matter of urgency, with FFA left to look after the national teams and various other aspects.“All the clubs are asking for is what was recommended by the Crawford Report all those years ago,” Fraser said.“There’s a scaremongering exercise from FFA claiming the clubs are going to take all the money generated in the game.“But, excuse me, they have been losing collectively 30 million a year for 10 years.“They are also the only thing the FFA gain any TV revenue from because, as we know, when Frank Lowy took us into Asia we gave away the rights for the World Cup qualifiers and the Asian Cup to the World Sports Group and have to buy them back before they can be re-sold.“Every other major code in the country have grown their revenues by growing their content.“If the senior figures at FFA were getting paid the same as those running Hockey Australia or the tenpin bowls federation I don’t have a problem with that.“But don’t pay them the same amount of money as the guy who's running the AFL and the NRL and come up with no improvements on revenue numbers.“The FFA need to live within their means and look after whatever it is they are good at running - but that’s clearly not the whole of football.”


https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/former-a-league-boss-calls-for-fifa-to-boot-out-ffa-board

Small point to Archie

The League has never had 13.

11 tops