FFA Congress Review Working Group Thread


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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 11:39 AM
@ miron Mercedes If the reporting is correct then the 10 Members have presented a new, single resolution, to be voted on at 1200 tomorrow. If successful this would supersede the two resolutions proposed by Lowy. It’s all a bit murky to be honest but my guess is Lowy was trying to pull a fast one by having a vote on widening the representation that he would happily “lose” (I’ve no doubt he had a plan to keep control anyway) and then vote on a second resolution on an independent A League that would fail keeping Lowy happy, pissing the A League clubs off, but overall enough progress to keep fifa off his back.

Lowy didn't propose any resolutions, it was FFV.  The Board gave its advice on the FFV resolutions.  The agenda of an EGM is not supposed to be able to be changed which is why the earlier EGM has been called to consider the new resolutions.
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miron mercedes - 1 Oct 2018 10:58 AM
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Gyfox - 1 Oct 2018 10:18 AM

So please explain it  then..... in a company situation a board is responsible to shareholders. In the FFA situation I assume it is responsible to its members (?)
Who are its members currently ? I am guessing it is the member states federations.
I also assume the EGM is to establish a new constitution so the members are increased to include all the other stakeholdersas per the CWRG ?
When would this take effect if voted for ?
I also assume once we have new members a new board will be put in place and possibly some new admin. Gallop may get the chop.
Would a new board have to abide by current selection processes for any new A-League entrants ?
Surely a hold should be put on it all until a new board is put in place ?

The discussion in the lead in to FIFA's Standard Statutes, IV Organisation, Article 19, Bodies (of the Association) has some points worth noting:-

"The bodies are the most important parts of an Association.  It cannot exist or act without them.  Only the bodies, or persons who are authorised by them, can act with legally binding force for the Association.  Therefore, an Association has to define a legislative body, an executive body, an administrative body and judicial bodies.  The competences of these bodies shall be well-defined and differentiated and not overlapping.  An Association shall ensure the separation of powers and respect the principles of corporate governance (e.g. checks and balances).  Using the FIFA Statutes as a reference, these bodies are referred to below as the Congress, Executive Committee, standing committees, general secretariat, Disciplinary Committee and Appeal Committee."

The Association (FFA) then is a multifaceted organisation of separate bodies with distinct, non-overlapping roles and authorities that includes the Congress which is the supreme and legislative body, the Board which exercises all powers of the organisation not the responsibility of the Congress or given to other bodies in the constitution, the proposed standing committees which advise and assist the Board in fulfilling its duties, the administration which is headed by the CEO who operates under delegated authority from the Board and the independent judicial bodies.





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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 11:39 AM
@ miron Mercedes If the reporting is correct then the 10 Members have presented a new, single resolution, to be voted on at 1200 tomorrow. If successful this would supersede the two resolutions proposed by Lowy. It’s all a bit murky to be honest but my guess is Lowy was trying to pull a fast one by having a vote on widening the representation that he would happily “lose” (I’ve no doubt he had a plan to keep control anyway) and then vote on a second resolution on an independent A League that would fail keeping Lowy happy, pissing the A League clubs off, but overall enough progress to keep fifa off his back.

I think you may need to rethink that post Waz.

Or has a second EGM been called for tomorrow, for which short notice has been agreed to.?

https://asic.gov.au/for-business/changes-to-your-company/passing-a-company-resolution/#special-resolutions

"Notice of a meeting of members for a company or registered scheme

If a special resolution is being proposed at a meeting, the notice to members must include the intention to vote on the special resolution and details of its contents. This is in addition to the other standard requirements like providing a date and time, proxy information, etc."



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@ miron Mercedes

If the reporting is correct then the 10 Members have presented a new, single resolution, to be voted on at 1200 tomorrow. If successful this would supersede the two resolutions proposed by Lowy.

It’s all a bit murky to be honest but my guess is Lowy was trying to pull a fast one by having a vote on widening the representation that he would happily “lose” (I’ve no doubt he had a plan to keep control anyway) and then vote on a second resolution on an independent A League that would fail keeping Lowy happy, pissing the A League clubs off, but overall enough progress to keep fifa off his back.


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miron mercedes - 1 Oct 2018 11:32 AM
someguyjc - 1 Oct 2018 11:26 AM

thanks ..sounds a reasonable answer.. 

That if the A-league is fully independent. The EPL model is highly unlikely 
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someguyjc - 1 Oct 2018 11:26 AM
miron mercedes - 1 Oct 2018 10:58 AM

The AGM in November will be when nominations for directors will be voted on. The date for nominations was extended to the 21st oct. The EGM tomorrow is about voting on changes to congress and creating an independent HAL.
Gallop unlikely to get the chop. It would be more likely that he steps down. He had his contract extended earlier this year so any new board would want to avoid the need to pay his contract out. He would most likely need to be in some sort of a breach of contract to get rid of him cleanly. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he has some of his budget cut. Apparently the staff working directly for him are on grossly exorbitant wages.
A new board would not have to abide by the current selection process for expansion unless licenses have already been granted prior to the change. Until such time as the HAL becomes independent, it is up to the FFA to decide how to handle expansion. They may continue on as currently planned, or the may delay the selection process until they confirm more information about the operating model of an independent HAL.

thanks ..sounds a reasonable answer.. 

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miron mercedes - 1 Oct 2018 10:58 AM
Waz - 1 Oct 2018 9:58 AM

Gyfox - 1 Oct 2018 10:18 AM

I also assume the EGM is to establish a new constitution so the members are increased to include all the other stakeholdersas per the CWRG ?
When would this take effect if voted for ?
I also assume once we have new members a new board will be put in place and possibly some new admin. Gallop may get the chop.
Would a new board have to abide by current selection processes for any new A-League entrants ?
Surely a hold should be put on it all until a new board is put in place ?

The AGM in November will be when nominations for directors will be voted on. The date for nominations was extended to the 21st oct. The EGM tomorrow is about voting on changes to congress and creating an independent HAL.
Gallop unlikely to get the chop. It would be more likely that he steps down. He had his contract extended earlier this year so any new board would want to avoid the need to pay his contract out. He would most likely need to be in some sort of a breach of contract to get rid of him cleanly. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he has some of his budget cut. Apparently the staff working directly for him are on grossly exorbitant wages.
A new board would not have to abide by the current selection process for expansion unless licenses have already been granted prior to the change. Until such time as the HAL becomes independent, it is up to the FFA to decide how to handle expansion. They may continue on as currently planned, or the may delay the selection process until they confirm more information about the operating model of an independent HAL.

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Here are the two resolutions being voted on tomorrow:

The first Resolution is one to amend the Constitution of FFA to give effect to recommendations made by the CRWG.
The second Resolution is intended to set up a process to consider and propose a new A-League Governance Model.

so..if both are voted yes..

Constitution will be amended to add new voting members and a process will be set up to look at an independent A-League .

The first I imagine will happen very quickly .It may take a while for groups to actually sort out what they actually want , form alliances etc but I would expect a new board to happen very quickly ..and obviously a new representative Chairperson.This may or may not mean a new CEO . Gallop could be gone .
The independent A-league review may take a while but I imagine  clubs and PFA would want this resolved a soon as possible ...so maybe we will see the 2018/19 season stay as it is with 2019/20 to be a start for an independent league ? (can't see how they could do it earlier than that unless they phase it in over the season ?)

Any thoughts people on how you see the next 12 months going ( if Tomorrow is indeed a new dawn lol ) ?

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Gyfox - 1 Oct 2018 10:16 AM
StiflersMom - 1 Oct 2018 10:07 AM

Is turfing the Board on the agenda of the EGM?

Nope, bad choice of words, but the expanded congress will essentially mean a new board 
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Waz - 30 Sep 2018 8:08 AM
Often when there’s light at the end of the tunnel some bastard goes and orders more tunnel. Let’s hope not. This could be the best season launch ever.

Or its a train coming the other way...

Sounds as promising as one could possibly hope given it was looking like a 6-4 vote (fail) at the start of the weekend.

All 10 members signing off on that statement - it cant fail now. If any state feds back-flipped now (and it would take 3) it would be the end of their credibility. Thats not going to happen.

Which only leaves really one 'out' for the Lowy team - some sort of corporate or legal challenge. Hard to see that working though given it appears to be happening within the current constitutional guidelines.

Yay!!!





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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 9:58 AM
@ Paul01 Don’t disagree with all that. I’m just thinking there’s a 50/50 chance of a delay now because the ffa may not havd thought all this through but is used to being in a position of absolute Power such that it can make and push through any decision it likes and sort out any problems later. As I said earlier, the fact they brought the other clubs in to review this suggests they want to get this done. It’s just whether the existing clubs are happy with the detail of what’s being offered.

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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 9:27 AM

Some on here don't even know what FFA means Waz.  They think it means the Board and administration.

So please explain it  then..... in a company situation a board is responsible to shareholders. In the FFA situation I assume it is responsible to its members (?)
Who are its members currently ? I am guessing it is the member states federations.
I also assume the EGM is to establish a new constitution so the members are increased to include all the other stakeholdersas per the CWRG ?
When would this take effect if voted for ?
I also assume once we have new members a new board will be put in place and possibly some new admin. Gallop may get the chop.
Would a new board have to abide by current selection processes for any new A-League entrants ?
Surely a hold should be put on it all until a new board is put in place ?

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Some of the presents could be duds StifflersMom. Let’s wait till after tomorrow and see
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miron mercedes - 1 Oct 2018 10:40 AM
Waz - 1 Oct 2018 9:27 AM

what is FNR ?

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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 9:27 AM
Park that. Looks like FNR don’t know the difference between the ffa and it’s Members 🤔

what is FNR ?

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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 9:27 AM
Park that. Looks like FNR don’t know the difference between the ffa and it’s Members 🤔

Some on here don't even know what FFA means Waz.  They think it means the Board and administration.
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StiflersMom - 1 Oct 2018 10:07 AM
Feel like a kid the day before Christmas scoping the pressies under the tree, really can't wait for tomorrow, hope FFA board are turfed 

Is turfing the Board on the agenda of the EGM?
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Feel like a kid the day before Christmas scoping the pressies under the tree, really can't wait for tomorrow, hope FFA board are turfed 
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@ Paul01

Don’t disagree with all that.

I’m just thinking there’s a 50/50 chance of a delay now because the ffa may not havd thought all this through but is used to being in a position of absolute Power such that it can make and push through any decision it likes and sort out any problems later.

As I said earlier, the fact they brought the other clubs in to review this suggests they want to get this done. It’s just whether the existing clubs are happy with the detail of what’s being offered.
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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 9:21 AM
It all depends on the offer to existing clubs right. Assuming 12 teams is 33 games that’s extra cost from stadium hire, travel and presumably players wages go up. Are the ffa in a position to agree to the expansion clubs and compensate all the HAL clubs ... and sort it all this month??

If currnt FFA board had offered a bigger share of revenue, they may not have been in this position.
There appears to be more money for the W-league. Now we can stop paying Lowy's mates in big business for useless consultancy fees.
I think the FFA get $5million from fox for the extra 2 teams from from Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.
One can only hope that more money will flow to the junior NTs, male and female.
There should NO INCREASES to the Roos only performance bonuses for winning games.
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That’s concerning Waz
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Park that. Looks like FNR don’t know the difference between the ffa and it’s Members 🤔
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BREAKING NEWS

The FFA have come to an agreement on changes to the FFA Constitution which could be ratified as soon as next week.

FNR tweet just now
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It all depends on the offer to existing clubs right. Assuming 12 teams is 33 games that’s extra cost from stadium hire, travel and presumably players wages go up. Are the ffa in a position to agree to the expansion clubs and compensate all the HAL clubs ... and sort it all this month??
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Burztur - 1 Oct 2018 8:44 AM
Waz - 1 Oct 2018 8:37 AM

It could delay but arguably, an independent HAL would be even better for the bidders. Greater say and greater share of funds.

Looking at it optimistically, they may be willing to accept more than two bidders... or at least outline a time frame for further expansion. Content is king so the more teams means more money for them

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Waz - 1 Oct 2018 8:37 AM
@ someguyjc “expansion would almost definitely need to be postponed, wouldn't it?” ... I’d say it’s 50/50. The FFA opened up the submission documents to the A Lesgue Clubs last week for review, this suggests both sides understand the importance of expansion

It could delay but arguably, an independent HAL would be even better for the bidders. Greater say and greater share of funds.
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@ someguyjc

“expansion would almost definitely need to be postponed, wouldn't it?” ... I’d say it’s 50/50.

The FFA opened up the submission documents to the A Lesgue Clubs last week for review, this suggests both sides understand the importance of expansion
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If the reports are accurate and Tuesdays vote gets through, expansion would almost definitely need to be postponed, wouldn't it? An independent HAL could happen as soon as next year and that means that the current bidders are essentially bidding for something that is potentially very different than what the league will be next year. An independent HAL may also prioritize different criteria than the current FFA. Some of the bidders may not be interested or prepared for a new model and may drop out of the running all together. 
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Seems like it's all over now with SBS & 442 adding more to the News article.

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/congress-peace-deal-freezes-out-ffa-513296

Come on Tuesday....

As an aside I have been wondering why the A=League clubs excluding the Nix have been building up there best squads in a fair while, just maybe they believed they would win the battle.
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MB - 30 Sep 2018 6:28 PM
Gyfox - 30 Sep 2018 6:10 PM

Okay, thanks.
I guess I was thinking with the possible threat of damaging FIFA intervention plus what's been released this weekend, even though it's a long weekend with footy finals and the sports media distracted, that there still may be cause to feel a bit more positive that change is happening.
Fingers crossed :)

Its certainly positive that the members have come to a consensus position, in fact that is what the CRWG was supposed to do but didn't.  The details will be interesting to read when they are available.
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Gyfox - 30 Sep 2018 6:10 PM
MB - 30 Sep 2018 5:26 PM

Lowy is a board member elected by the members in congress and like all board members can only be removed by the members in congress.  As chairman of the board he is elected by the board members and can be removed from the chair by them.  Gallop is an employee selected by the board on the recommendation of the chairman of the board and can only be dismissed by the board on the recommendation of the chairman.  The members have no role in the selection of the CEO or in his dismissal.

In this matter the role of the board is to call the EGM requested by the members (done) and provide their expert advice to the members of the FFA.  Lowy (or another board member) will chair the EGM and has procedural authority over the meeting.  The board members can attend the EGM but have no voting rights, similarly with Gallop.

The board exercises all the powers of the FFA not allocated to another party in the constitution.  The role of the members in congress is detailed in the constitution as is the role of the independent judicial bodies of the FFA.

Okay, thanks.
I guess I was thinking with the possible threat of damaging FIFA intervention plus what's been released this weekend, even though it's a long weekend with footy finals and the sports media distracted, that there still may be cause to feel a bit more positive that change is happening.
Fingers crossed :)
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