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http://pfa.net.au/wp-content/uploads/CRWG-Report-final-31-07-2018-For-Publication.pdf

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Had a brief look through ...interesting ...now to see what FFA does ...

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 7 Aug 2018 12:25 PM
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Gazpromalugs please warn when posting obscene material ..... nearly lost my lunch with your post

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Have to include the NPL teams as a voting party and stakeholder!

Important to have a seat at the table!
Especially if pro/rel is to be implemented!


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Given the State Feds have 55% of the vote, to me on first reading it seems a no brainier to approve. 
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Midfielder - 7 Aug 2018 12:53 PM
Given the State Feds have 55% of the vote, to me on first reading it seems a no brainier to approve. 

Each Fed gets 6.1% (unless agreed otherwise), so only one has to dissent on a 50/50 vote

"It is noted by the CRWG that the FFA Board is not in agreement with the CRWG’s proposed congress model."


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Tbone - 7 Aug 2018 12:42 PM
Have to include the NPL teams as a voting party and stakeholder!Important to have a seat at the table! Especially if pro/rel is to be implemented!

See Annexure 8, which clearly illustrates a pathway for non members to become voting members. It's a very important part of the proposal as currently there is no pathway. It's an important definition that the new congress should not be a rigid closed entity but rather an ever growing entity that encourages new members to work towards becoming voting members by providing a pathway. This means a group like the NPL clubs would now be able to work towards becoming a provisional member within 3 years and a full voting member within 5 years. 

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"Submission on behalf of Members Federations of ACT, Northern NSW, the Northern Territory and Tasmania, received 30 July 2018 at 15:00 (UK time)"
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What poor sap had to put that together?! Poor bastard. Especially as it’s gonna be put on a shelf next to the Crawford report. So much fluff like wading through treacle reading that.
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Votes after reading the report

State Feds === 55
A-L Clubs ===  28
PFA ========  1
Womens ==== 10

To be allocated
Group 1 ==== 2
Group 2 ===- 2
Group 3 === 2

Total 100 votes, the 3 groups believed to be coaches, fustal, &  AAFC [NPL Clubs]
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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Independent A League within 2 years!

yup, there’s Franks, err I mean Steven’s, sticking point.
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so much potential i really hope it gets better! 
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FIFA pushes to break A-League away from FFA in new report

AUGUST 06, 2018

THE A-League could be independent from Football Federation Australia by the 2019-20 season under a proposal by a FIFA-mandated group assigned with breaking the country’s governance gridlock.

The congress review working group’s (CRWG) report, submitted to FIFA last week and released to the public on Tuesday, also provides strong clues as to why FFA and a quartet of small member federations are against the recommendations being adopted.

The 100-page document addresses a variety of issues underpinning the country’s footballing landscape including elite football, grassroots, gender equality and greater financial transparency than what the FFA Constitution currently requires.

The recommendations also address the crux of the governance crisis that has engulfed Australian football for the best part of three years — the voting make-up of the body responsible for electing FFA’s board.

FFA’s current congress, considered undemocratic by FIFA, is comprised of only 10 seats with nine allotted to the nine state member federations and one for the A-League clubs.

As reported by The Daily Telegraph last week, the CRWG calls for an expansion of the congress from 10 members to 29 across four stakeholder groups, who would share a total 100 votes.

Football Federation Australia chairman Steven Lowy has been resisting the changes. Picture: Getty

The member federations (nine members — 55 votes) and A-League clubs (nine members — 28 votes) would be joined at the table by the players’ union (one member — seven votes) and a new women’s council (10 members — 10 votes), of which the member federations, clubs and players’ union would each nominate three with the 10th an independent chair.

Crucially, no one stakeholder group would be allocated enough votes to form a bloc and pass constitutional change on its own — a key complaint about the existing model.

It also sets down a pathway for the future inclusion of NPL clubs, represented by the Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC), new A-League clubs and other special interest groups.

The CRWG calls it “a broader and more balanced representations of stakeholders in line with FIFA Statutes” and proposes the congress undergo a review every four years.

Until FFA states exactly which “crucial aspects of the report” it opposes, the governing body’s precise objections remain unconfirmed.

But the document does state “it is noted by the CRWG that the FFA Board is not in agreement with the CRWG’s proposed congress model.”

It also notes that “that the FFA Board is not in agreement with the CRWG’s proposed pathway” to an alternative A-League, W-League and Youth League governance model.

Could the FFA be split away from the A-League? Picture: Toby Zerna

That pathway centres around the formation of a new independently chaired leagues working group (NLWG) comprising “a representation of the key football stakeholders in Australia” that would consider, evaluate and make recommendations on a new operating model and its related legal and commercial factors.

It would conclude its work by March 31, 2019 so recommendations can be implemented in time for the 2019-20 season.

The document was signed off by the chairmen of the four biggest state federations, two A-League club representatives, Professional Footballers Australia’s chief executive and FFA director Chris Nikou, along with independent chairperson Judith Griggs.

But while it is set to be approved by FIFA at its next member associations committee this month it is all but certain to be voted down once it returns to Australia for adoption at a special general meeting before September 7.

An amendment to FFA’s constitution is required to pass the changes, with 75 per cent — or eight of the 10 current congress votes — needed for an in-favour vote.

As it stands four appear set to vote it down after the ACT’s Capital Football, Football Federation Northern Territory, Tasmania and Northern NSW — which represent a total 18 per cent of Australia’s total registered players — publicly came out against the proposals in their current form.

FFA CEO David Gallop has been trying to work through the governance crisis. Picture: Getty

In a way, this leaves agitators for change right back where they started, caught in the irony of seeking democratic reforms but unable to have them implemented by the very body deemed undemocratic by FIFA.

In another, such a blatant rejection of a report carrying FIFA’s endorsement, could provoke the world governing body to deliver its harshest response yet.

FIFA’s continued facilitation has so far been futile in reaching an outcome and the threat of intervention has long hung over this process,

Normalisation — sacking Steven Lowy and his board and installing a temporary committee to oversee the reform process — is the most obvious option.

However one person involved throughout the saga has described the CRWG as ‘normalisation-lite’, suggesting that option has already been somewhat exhausted.

The only real alternative, dramatic as it sounds, is suspension.

Such a move could put in doubt the Socceroos’ Asian Cup defence in January and the Matildas’ World Cup campaign next June.




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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The states submitted a counter proposal to the CRWG, the details of which remain confidential.

It is understood it will not be considered by Fifa, whose remit is to simply approve or reject the report they commissioned from the CRWG.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/07/fifa-backed-report-proposes-a-league-splits-from-ffa-by-2019?CMP=twt_a-sport_b-gdnausport_c-au_g-3


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Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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A bit disappointing with the congress set up and votes.Unfortunately not any real new members other than women.
Each member gets votes .But i have no idea why or how they arrived at the votes per member..
The women are effectively stooges picked by other members.
The federations have a majority vote?
If all none federations vote together they can 't pass anything if federations vote as a block?
So overall ,i guess its got to be done this way for the majority to swallow it.
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But the document does state “it is noted by the CRWG that the FFA Board is not in agreement with the CRWG’s proposed congress model.”

It also notes that “that the FFA Board is not in agreement with the CRWG’s proposed pathway” to an alternative A-League, W-League and Youth League governance model.

That pathway centres around the formation of a new independently chaired leagues working group (NLWG) comprising “a representation of the key football stakeholders in Australia” that would consider, evaluate and make recommendations on a new operating model and its related legal and commercial factors.

It would conclude its work by March 31, 2019 so recommendations can be implemented in time for the 2019-20 season.



https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/fifa-pushes-to-break-aleague-away-from-ffa-in-new-report/news-story/3e344e746c76976c4b0a3f662574f0ec




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Why is Wellington not part of the 9 members? Shouldn't it be 10 members???.  

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nomates - 7 Aug 2018 2:11 PM
Why is Wellington not part of the 9 members? Shouldn't it be 10 members???.  

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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2 FourFourTwo articles about this, both posted in World Football

https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/players-and-admins-hail-ffa-v20-masterplan-499783

https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/new-congress-plan-revealed-499781


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Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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nomates - 7 Aug 2018 2:11 PM
Why is Wellington not part of the 9 members? Shouldn't it be 10 members???.  

Coz they getting the arse once this comes in?

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So ,next step is for FFA to reject the FIFA approved proposal .
To be followed by the WRATH of FIFA and the australian football community.
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Seriously, why aren’t Wellington a part of this?

Because they’re not a part of Australia!
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Steve fights back  !!

https://www.ffa.com.au/news/ffa-statement-congress-review-working-group-report

FFA letter submitted to CRWG

https://www.ffa.com.au/sites/ffa/files/2018-08/L2018%20-%20CRWG%20-%20Judith%20Griggs%20300718%20%28final%29.pdf

FFA Chairman Steven Lowy AM said at the time of submission that FFA is committed to working to ensure the governance of the game continues to evolve in the best interests of the whole of football.

“FFA has been supportive of the CRWG process from the beginning and is committed to working constructively with all stakeholders. There are many elements of the report which are positive steps and wholly supported by the FFA Board. However, there are also some crucial aspects of the report which the FFA Board does not believe are in the best interests of the game and are inconsistent with its guiding principles submitted at the beginning of the process. ” said Lowy.

Specifically, the independent FFA Board expressed strong concerns over the following key aspects of the report which it believes would create an unacceptably high risk of the game’s resources being diverted away from critical areas of the game such as the national team programs and grassroots development, towards privately owned commercial interests:

  • the proposed model excessively weights votes towards “professional” football at the expense of “grassroots” football and effectively would allow the professional game when acting as a block to dictate the election of directors to the FFA Board.
  • the proposed model grants A-League clubs, acting as a block, the ability to veto amendments to the FFA Constitution
  • the proposed model delivers PFA a disproportionately greater voting representation than each Member Federation
  • the Women’s Council appears to extend the voting reach of other stakeholders at the expense of a truly independent voice for the women’s game
  • the proposed model does not sufficiently broaden the membership of FFA at the outset - to this end, the FFA Board was supportive of the immediate admission of special interest groups including AAFC in light of the importance of NPL Clubs in the Australian football ecosystem
  • the proposed pathway to an alternate A-League model is inconsistent with the foundational good governance principle that independent directors should manage the affairs of FFA in accordance with their fiduciary duties in the interests of FFA. The proposed pathway instead blurs the role between Board and Congress decision-making. The FFA Board instead proposed a process which preserves the roles and responsibilities of each stakeholder while consulting with all stakeholders throughout the process before a final vote of the Congress on the proposed A-League model.


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Not sure what writing a letter after the CRWG has done it's job is going to achieve

FIFA asked for recommendations
FIFA now has recommendations
Unless there's a Clear and Obvious Error, FIFA will accept them

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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