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+x+x+x+xI had a look at bigfooty there are a bit worried if we get the a league up and running again the codewars are back on The fear mongering from AFL in general about our sport is baffling considering how far ahead they they from us and even the NRL. They don't want to be one sport getting along with others. They want it all. I draw the line on people who say they won’t support the socceroos/Matilda’s that really triggers me Was it Akermanis who wrote an article saying he'll be cheering for all of Australia's opposing teams at the World Cup? Can't seem to find it at the moment.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xCanberra is the capital city and a very large town which should be able to support a pro football team. There's something irrevocably broken in our sporting culture when cities of 300-500,000 people are considered too small to host a football team. Wellington has about 450,000 people. Yeah, so does Newcastle with Central Coast even smaller, but in general, the powers that be are extremely hesitant to expand to any region with less than a million people. The FFA even plainly stated it at one point. I suppose they were stung by the Gold Coast and Townsville debacles. All the football codes in Australia are very metropolis-centric. Very little room for even relatively large 'regional' cities like Wollongong in modern pro sports. The metrics don't stack up, though I don't understand why. Surely any population centre of over 300,000 is more than large enough to have its own professional team in any sport. I mean, Wollongong is larger than Stoke and Bournemouth combined! Why is the system so broken that such big areas are ignored by pro sports in this country? It frustrates me. Wollongong has a nice stadium but no one wants to invest, then you have Tassie that has no stadium and people want to invest. Where do you take your chances? You would go with the money. And what a beautiful stadium it is. Possibly the only stadium with an ocean view in Australia. A beach stadium! That sea breeze really bites you in the arse during the winter night fixtures though. I'm pretty sure Wollongong has some people willing to invest, but there's no single white knight willing to commit. Gordon certainly doesn't want the hassle or the responsibility, and there's no one else around with the necessary funds. Which is a shame. I enjoyed following the Wolves in the NSL. It was a big deal for the city when they won their back to back championships at the turn of the millennium. They even packed out Win stadium for a few key games. Good times. I would love to see them in the a-league. Gosford... +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCanberra is the capital city and a very large town which should be able to support a pro football team. There's something irrevocably broken in our sporting culture when cities of 300-500,000 people are considered too small to host a football team. Wellington has about 450,000 people. Yeah, so does Newcastle with Central Coast even smaller, but in general, the powers that be are extremely hesitant to expand to any region with less than a million people. The FFA even plainly stated it at one point. I suppose they were stung by the Gold Coast and Townsville debacles. All the football codes in Australia are very metropolis-centric. Very little room for even relatively large 'regional' cities like Wollongong in modern pro sports. The metrics don't stack up, though I don't understand why. Surely any population centre of over 300,000 is more than large enough to have its own professional team in any sport. I mean, Wollongong is larger than Stoke and Bournemouth combined! Why is the system so broken that such big areas are ignored by pro sports in this country? It frustrates me. Wollongong has a nice stadium but no one wants to invest, then you have Tassie that has no stadium and people want to invest. Where do you take your chances? You would go with the money. And what a beautiful stadium it is. Possibly the only stadium with an ocean view in Australia. A beach stadium! That sea breeze really bites you in the arse during the winter night fixtures though. I'm pretty sure Wollongong has some people willing to invest, but there's no single white knight willing to commit. Gordon certainly doesn't want the hassle or the responsibility, and there's no one else around with the necessary funds. Which is a shame. I enjoyed following the Wolves in the NSL. It was a big deal for the city when they won their back to back championships at the turn of the millennium. They even packed out Win stadium for a few key games. Good times. I would love to see them in the a-league. Gosford... Gosford doesn't have a beach view, it has a view of Brisbane Water......according to Wiki (yes, I know...Wiki...) Brisbane Water is a wave-dominated barrier estuary located in the Central Coast region. But still...it's a beautiful view, certainly one of the better stadium views in Oz. Note the tenth stadium listed in the list of the worlds 12 most beautiful stadiums... https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/12-most-beautiful-football-stadiums-world From Spain youtube on the Mariners and our stadium... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=59&v=NCDobnsvGpg
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+x+x+x+x+xI thought Wollongong had serious money behind them with the WIN people I heard they only offered a $5 million licence fee for a HAL licence. at least $10 million less than what others were offering. Thats why they were eliminated from contention early. +xand cricket sits at the top despite what the AFL may think... the TV rights deal would suggest you are wrong. AFL = just over $2.5 billion over 6 years. cricket = just under $1.2 billion over 6 years. Just for the sake of comparison: NRL = $1.8 billion over 5 years Super Rugby = $285 million over 5 years (ends next year and rumoured to want $80 million per year). HAL = $346 million over 6 years. I'm not sure why the AFL gets so much when the NRL gets the most ratings NRL only gets ratings in NSW and QLD, while AFL does well everywhere. Sydney is a big city and lots of people from AFL dominant states have moved here and provide the support base for AFL. The only people I have ever met who follow an AFL team fit into the interstate mover category. AFL does not do well everywhere. I guess I'm an outlier in that I have never lived interstate, but enjoy watching the Swans games on TV (only the Swans though - I find other games really boring). Sometimes I need a bit of chaos in my life. I doubt I'm alone either. Swans get crowds of 25-35,000 at each home game, so I think AFL has actually done surprisingly well in Sydney. Then they got too cocky and tried entering Western Sydney with GWS, which has been an abysmal failure in terms of local support. Swans are continuing to do very well though. So I think AFL has achieved a penetration in NSW that NRL could only dream of in Victoria. Of course it's still small time compared to the rest of the country, but no true niche sports team gets the Sydney Swans crowd numbers. So it's only QLD where AFL really struggles. It has a place in NSW and is by far the most popular everywhere else in the country. Not just in the south, but the west and the Northern Territory as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI thought Wollongong had serious money behind them with the WIN people I heard they only offered a $5 million licence fee for a HAL licence. at least $10 million less than what others were offering. Thats why they were eliminated from contention early. +xand cricket sits at the top despite what the AFL may think... the TV rights deal would suggest you are wrong. AFL = just over $2.5 billion over 6 years. cricket = just under $1.2 billion over 6 years. Just for the sake of comparison: NRL = $1.8 billion over 5 years Super Rugby = $285 million over 5 years (ends next year and rumoured to want $80 million per year). HAL = $346 million over 6 years. I'm not sure why the AFL gets so much when the NRL gets the most ratings NRL only gets ratings in NSW and QLD, while AFL does well everywhere. Sydney is a big city and lots of people from AFL dominant states have moved here and provide the support base for AFL. The only people I have ever met who follow an AFL team fit into the interstate mover category. AFL does not do well everywhere. I guess I'm an outlier in that I have never lived interstate, but enjoy watching the Swans games on TV (only the Swans though - I find other games really boring). Sometimes I need a bit of chaos in my life. I doubt I'm alone either. Swans get crowds of 25-35,000 at each home game, so I think AFL has actually done surprisingly well in Sydney. Then they got too cocky and tried entering Western Sydney with GWS, which has been an abysmal failure in terms of local support. Swans are continuing to do very well though. So I think AFL has achieved a penetration in NSW that NRL could only dream of in Victoria. Of course it's still small time compared to the rest of the country, but no true niche sports team gets the Sydney Swans crowd numbers. So it's only QLD where AFL really struggles. It has a place in NSW and is by far the most popular everywhere else in the country. Not just in the south, but the west and the Northern Territory as well. Swans took 30-35 years of investment into the public to get to where it is.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI thought Wollongong had serious money behind them with the WIN people I heard they only offered a $5 million licence fee for a HAL licence. at least $10 million less than what others were offering. Thats why they were eliminated from contention early. +xand cricket sits at the top despite what the AFL may think... the TV rights deal would suggest you are wrong. AFL = just over $2.5 billion over 6 years. cricket = just under $1.2 billion over 6 years. Just for the sake of comparison: NRL = $1.8 billion over 5 years Super Rugby = $285 million over 5 years (ends next year and rumoured to want $80 million per year). HAL = $346 million over 6 years. I'm not sure why the AFL gets so much when the NRL gets the most ratings NRL only gets ratings in NSW and QLD, while AFL does well everywhere. Sydney is a big city and lots of people from AFL dominant states have moved here and provide the support base for AFL. The only people I have ever met who follow an AFL team fit into the interstate mover category. AFL does not do well everywhere. I guess I'm an outlier in that I have never lived interstate, but enjoy watching the Swans games on TV (only the Swans though - I find other games really boring). Sometimes I need a bit of chaos in my life. I doubt I'm alone either. Swans get crowds of 25-35,000 at each home game, so I think AFL has actually done surprisingly well in Sydney. Then they got too cocky and tried entering Western Sydney with GWS, which has been an abysmal failure in terms of local support. Swans are continuing to do very well though. So I think AFL has achieved a penetration in NSW that NRL could only dream of in Victoria. Of course it's still small time compared to the rest of the country, but no true niche sports team gets the Sydney Swans crowd numbers. So it's only QLD where AFL really struggles. It has a place in NSW and is by far the most popular everywhere else in the country. Not just in the south, but the west and the Northern Territory as well. Melbourne Storm have a decent following considering Melbourne's disdain for anything not AFL
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI thought Wollongong had serious money behind them with the WIN people I heard they only offered a $5 million licence fee for a HAL licence. at least $10 million less than what others were offering. Thats why they were eliminated from contention early. +xand cricket sits at the top despite what the AFL may think... the TV rights deal would suggest you are wrong. AFL = just over $2.5 billion over 6 years. cricket = just under $1.2 billion over 6 years. Just for the sake of comparison: NRL = $1.8 billion over 5 years Super Rugby = $285 million over 5 years (ends next year and rumoured to want $80 million per year). HAL = $346 million over 6 years. I'm not sure why the AFL gets so much when the NRL gets the most ratings NRL only gets ratings in NSW and QLD, while AFL does well everywhere. Sydney is a big city and lots of people from AFL dominant states have moved here and provide the support base for AFL. The only people I have ever met who follow an AFL team fit into the interstate mover category. AFL does not do well everywhere. I guess I'm an outlier in that I have never lived interstate, but enjoy watching the Swans games on TV (only the Swans though - I find other games really boring). Sometimes I need a bit of chaos in my life. I doubt I'm alone either. Swans get crowds of 25-35,000 at each home game, so I think AFL has actually done surprisingly well in Sydney. Then they got too cocky and tried entering Western Sydney with GWS, which has been an abysmal failure in terms of local support. Swans are continuing to do very well though. So I think AFL has achieved a penetration in NSW that NRL could only dream of in Victoria. Of course it's still small time compared to the rest of the country, but no true niche sports team gets the Sydney Swans crowd numbers. So it's only QLD where AFL really struggles. It has a place in NSW and is by far the most popular everywhere else in the country. Not just in the south, but the west and the Northern Territory as well. I think the Swans, the Lions and the Suns are all preaching to the converted (i.e. ex-pat Victorians). I used to work for QBE the Swans sponsor. You could always get free tickets but the vast majority that went were ex pat Victorians. After 30-40 years of soaking up all the ex-pat Victorians (most of whom have the Swans as their second team) , who do the Giants turn to for crowds?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI thought Wollongong had serious money behind them with the WIN people I heard they only offered a $5 million licence fee for a HAL licence. at least $10 million less than what others were offering. Thats why they were eliminated from contention early. +xand cricket sits at the top despite what the AFL may think... the TV rights deal would suggest you are wrong. AFL = just over $2.5 billion over 6 years. cricket = just under $1.2 billion over 6 years. Just for the sake of comparison: NRL = $1.8 billion over 5 years Super Rugby = $285 million over 5 years (ends next year and rumoured to want $80 million per year). HAL = $346 million over 6 years. I'm not sure why the AFL gets so much when the NRL gets the most ratings NRL only gets ratings in NSW and QLD, while AFL does well everywhere. Sydney is a big city and lots of people from AFL dominant states have moved here and provide the support base for AFL. The only people I have ever met who follow an AFL team fit into the interstate mover category. AFL does not do well everywhere. I guess I'm an outlier in that I have never lived interstate, but enjoy watching the Swans games on TV (only the Swans though - I find other games really boring). Sometimes I need a bit of chaos in my life. I doubt I'm alone either. Swans get crowds of 25-35,000 at each home game, so I think AFL has actually done surprisingly well in Sydney. Then they got too cocky and tried entering Western Sydney with GWS, which has been an abysmal failure in terms of local support. Swans are continuing to do very well though. So I think AFL has achieved a penetration in NSW that NRL could only dream of in Victoria. Of course it's still small time compared to the rest of the country, but no true niche sports team gets the Sydney Swans crowd numbers. So it's only QLD where AFL really struggles. It has a place in NSW and is by far the most popular everywhere else in the country. Not just in the south, but the west and the Northern Territory as well. I think the Swans, the Lions and the Suns are all preaching to the converted (i.e. ex-pat Victorians). I used to work for QBE the Swans sponsor. You could always get free tickets but the vast majority that went were ex pat Victorians. After 30-40 years of soaking up all the ex-pat Victorians (most of whom have the Swans as their second team) , who do the Giants turn to for crowds? giants and suns are struggling even with the giants being in the top 4 they still have not taken off there.
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Just on the AFL comments above this is an example of how differently Victorians and say NSW people view AFL.
I was an an accounting 4 day seminar in Sydney in June last year, and a group of 4 Victorians came with their wife's and had a family holiday at the same time.
AnyWho, in time we all fell into little groups at morning and afternoon tea as well as lunch.
Two things stood out from these guys, first was in a smaller group we were discussing a topic and they said in response ... so you hand ball it along... we all looked like WTF are you talking about so they laughed as if we where pulling their leg and stood up and said you know hand ball it along and we just looked so he gave an example of holding a ball and punching it so we got what he meant. They assumed we were all beyond crazy not to understand what he meant.
The second thing was, myself [Mariner} two SFC fans and three WSW fans were discussing the development of their teams, how Okon would go etc, when over they came and said why are you talking about soccer.... we replied we like it and then he started on about GWS and when the SFC guy called them the "Great Waste of Space""' the Victorians were beside themselves it seems in Melbourne town the success of the Great Waste of Space and the Fold Coast is somewhat over stated...
Tis amazing how AFL fans watch other codes and I could not name the AFL teams and not name a current AFL player...
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+xJust on the AFL comments above this is an example of how differently Victorians and say NSW people view AFL. I was an an accounting 4 day seminar in Sydney in June last year, and a group of 4 Victorians came with their wife's and had a family holiday at the same time. AnyWho, in time we all fell into little groups at morning and afternoon tea as well as lunch. Two things stood out from these guys, first was in a smaller group we were discussing a topic and they said in response ... so you hand ball it along... we all looked like WTF are you talking about so they laughed as if we where pulling their leg and stood up and said you know hand ball it along and we just looked so he gave an example of holding a ball and punching it so we got what he meant. They assumed we were all beyond crazy not to understand what he meant. The second thing was, myself [Mariner} two SFC fans and three WSW fans were discussing the development of their teams, how Okon would go etc, when over they came and said why are you talking about soccer.... we replied we like it and then he started on about GWS and when the SFC guy called them the "Great Waste of Space""' the Victorians were beside themselves it seems in Melbourne town the success of the Great Waste of Space and the Fold Coast is somewhat over stated... Tis amazing how AFL fans watch other codes and I could not name the AFL teams and not name a current AFL player... wow those guys sound like flogs what a wake up call for them haha
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+xGreat Waste of Space and the Fold Coast I lol'd
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI thought Wollongong had serious money behind them with the WIN people I heard they only offered a $5 million licence fee for a HAL licence. at least $10 million less than what others were offering. Thats why they were eliminated from contention early. +xand cricket sits at the top despite what the AFL may think... the TV rights deal would suggest you are wrong. AFL = just over $2.5 billion over 6 years. cricket = just under $1.2 billion over 6 years. Just for the sake of comparison: NRL = $1.8 billion over 5 years Super Rugby = $285 million over 5 years (ends next year and rumoured to want $80 million per year). HAL = $346 million over 6 years. I'm not sure why the AFL gets so much when the NRL gets the most ratings NRL only gets ratings in NSW and QLD, while AFL does well everywhere. AFL gets low ratings in Sydney. It's a niche sport there. Sydney ratings are still decent, especially for Swans games. Far higher than NRL gets outside of NSW/QLD. The 5city ratings split for Sydney is quite low even for Sydney games. It simply is a niche sport in Sydney. Early on after the move to Sydney the Swans took up about 10% of the attendances for football in Sydney and after 35 years even with the addition of GWS its about 12.5% for AFL.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI thought Wollongong had serious money behind them with the WIN people I heard they only offered a $5 million licence fee for a HAL licence. at least $10 million less than what others were offering. Thats why they were eliminated from contention early. +xand cricket sits at the top despite what the AFL may think... the TV rights deal would suggest you are wrong. AFL = just over $2.5 billion over 6 years. cricket = just under $1.2 billion over 6 years. Just for the sake of comparison: NRL = $1.8 billion over 5 years Super Rugby = $285 million over 5 years (ends next year and rumoured to want $80 million per year). HAL = $346 million over 6 years. I'm not sure why the AFL gets so much when the NRL gets the most ratings NRL only gets ratings in NSW and QLD, while AFL does well everywhere. Sydney is a big city and lots of people from AFL dominant states have moved here and provide the support base for AFL. The only people I have ever met who follow an AFL team fit into the interstate mover category. AFL does not do well everywhere. I guess I'm an outlier in that I have never lived interstate, but enjoy watching the Swans games on TV (only the Swans though - I find other games really boring). Sometimes I need a bit of chaos in my life. I doubt I'm alone either. Swans get crowds of 25-35,000 at each home game, so I think AFL has actually done surprisingly well in Sydney. Then they got too cocky and tried entering Western Sydney with GWS, which has been an abysmal failure in terms of local support. Swans are continuing to do very well though. So I think AFL has achieved a penetration in NSW that NRL could only dream of in Victoria. Of course it's still small time compared to the rest of the country, but no true niche sports team gets the Sydney Swans crowd numbers. So it's only QLD where AFL really struggles. It has a place in NSW and is by far the most popular everywhere else in the country. Not just in the south, but the west and the Northern Territory as well. Melbourne Storm have a decent following considering Melbourne's disdain for anything not AFL I suspect they are expat Qlders and NSW . There are heaps in Melbourne. Melburnians didn't just wake up one day and say lets go to the NRL ...
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Can tell you for a fact the that the Storm’s fanbase is made of a good portion of Maori and Pacific Islanders.
It also helps that they’re one of the most successful teams of the modern era. If they slid down the ladder, I’d be confident in saying their crowds would drop significantly.
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So apparently Greg O’Rourke could be the CEO of the new independent aleague, the clubs like his work.
But it’s all too soon but it won’t surprise me they appoint him on a interim basis at least for the time being until they set up shop.
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+xSo apparently Greg O’Rourke could be the CEO of the new independent aleague, the clubs like his work.
LOL And these are the same clubs that just a few weeks ago were saying how another season under FFA (O'Rourke) control would spell disaster.
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+x+xSo apparently Greg O’Rourke could be the CEO of the new independent aleague, the clubs like his work.
LOL And these are the same clubs that just a few weeks ago were saying how another season under FFA (O'Rourke) control would spell disaster. They never said that. Their beef has clearly been with Steven Lowy and David Gallop more than anyone else on the board. Greg will be able to work much better without those two idiots I mentioned.
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+x+x+xSo apparently Greg O’Rourke could be the CEO of the new independent aleague, the clubs like his work.
LOL And these are the same clubs that just a few weeks ago were saying how another season under FFA (O'Rourke) control would spell disaster. They never said that. Their beef has clearly been with Steven Lowy and David Gallop more than anyone else on the board. Greg will be able to work much better without those two idiots I mentioned. Oh yeah Gallop, wasn't he also gone as soon as new board FFA took charge? LOL
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+x+xSo apparently Greg O’Rourke could be the CEO of the new independent aleague, the clubs like his work.
LOL And these are the same clubs that just a few weeks ago were saying how another season under FFA (O'Rourke) control would spell disaster. Actually no the clubs always said they trusted O'Rourke and he was honest with them ... it was Lowy and his board and Gallop's excuses and half truths that got them... Maybe its rose coloured glasses but given his background coming from a regional association and his lifelong involvement in the game ... he could be worth a look at to see how he goes when hhhhmmmm set free
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+xCan tell you for a fact the that the Storm’s fanbase is made of a good portion of Maori and Pacific Islanders. It also helps that they’re one of the most successful teams of the modern era. If they slid down the ladder, I’d be confident in saying their crowds would drop significantly. When you factor in they compete against afl week in week out they're doing very well. They werent great before Bellamy rocked up and they still had olympic park rocking. Would be interesting to see how Victory would fair in winter in the same conditions. The storm make a grand final and they get ignored by the media because afl grand final is on the same weekend.
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+xTwo things stood out from these guys, first was in a smaller group we were discussing a topic and they said in response ... so you hand ball it along... we all looked like WTF are you talking about so they laughed as if we where pulling their leg and stood up and said you know hand ball it along and we just looked so he gave an example of holding a ball and punching it so we got what he meant. They assumed we were all beyond crazy not to understand what he meant. thats quite funny. i say the phrase "handball it off" (ie. palm it off) all the time without blinking.
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Not against him remaining
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+xNot against him remaining Would be good to see how O'Rourke performs without the current overlord.
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Haven't people been saying he's merely a puppet for Gallop? Now with the shackles free he might be good.
The guy has genuinely good input when he's been heard on radio and podcasts.
I think he might do alright and will be interesting to see how he goes without FFA influence.
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+xHaven't people been saying he's merely a puppet for Gallop? Now with the shackles free he might be good. The guy has genuinely good input when he's been heard on radio and podcasts. I think he might do alright and will be interesting to see how he goes without FFA influence. He's a proper football person and talks with passion and knowledge of the game. We could do a lot worse.
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+xHaven't people been saying he's merely a puppet for Gallop? Now with the shackles free he might be good. The guy has genuinely good input when he's been heard on radio and podcasts. I think he might do alright and will be interesting to see how he goes without FFA influence. He came to a CCM forum a few years ago. He didn't seem to twig that different clubs had different demographics. Always seemed to want to impose the HO cookie cutter approach to clubs when in reality they all have different strengths, weaknesses and comcerns.
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+x+xNot against him remaining Would be good to see how O'Rourke performs without the current overlord. This. Apparently he does things behind the scenes but lets see how this plays out
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+x+xHaven't people been saying he's merely a puppet for Gallop? Now with the shackles free he might be good. The guy has genuinely good input when he's been heard on radio and podcasts. I think he might do alright and will be interesting to see how he goes without FFA influence. He came to a CCM forum a few years ago. He didn't seem to twig that different clubs had different demographics. Always seemed to want to impose the HO cookie cutter approach to clubs when in reality they all have different strengths, weaknesses and comcerns. In the current A-League model, that was actually quite true though, given that’s how it tended to be set up and run (ie. One size fits all) With the upcoming changes, that rulebook will be thrown out the window and each club will now likely have more control over their own destiny. his role will therefore have to evolve from a centralised control model to more of a support function.
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