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+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing.
Sponsorships always seemed to be for an unstated amount and sometimes with a seat at the FFA Board which was just stupid; Lowy did have pulling power but it’s uncertain whether that was commercially advantageous for the HAL.
There was also no separation between administrator and HAL, an FFA sponsor and HAL sponsor were often the same thing.
There’s rumours they’re $10m short of where they should be on sponsorship which is a huge gap to plug if true.
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+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing.
Sponsorships always seemed to be for an unstated amount and sometimes with a seat at the FFA Board which was just stupid; Lowy did have pulling power but it’s uncertain whether that was commercially advantageous for the HAL.
There was also no separation between administrator and HAL, an FFA sponsor and HAL sponsor were often the same thing.
There’s rumours they’re $10m short of where they should be on sponsorship which is a huge gap to plug if true. I'd agree with you that it's not ideal that sponsorship came with winning a seat on the board, that appears to be true. The flip side: was that the only way Lowy was able to bring big sponsorship dollars through the door? By the end of this year, we'll know if that's the case or not. And yes, $10 mill is a very big gap to plug.
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+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing. Safe to say the old ffa are looking a heck of a lot better at it than the new mob so far.
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Heres the full article. For those that thought iHAL wasnt running independantly, hopefully this clarifies it for you. 'We're not involved': FFA urges A-League club owners to move fasterFootball Federation Australia chief executive James Johnson has urged A-League clubs to start making the most of their hard-fought independence and empower Greg O'Rourke to lead the competition out of the darkness.Johnson delivered the comments at Thursday's meeting of club owners in Sydney, according to sources with knowledge of what was discussed at the day-long summit.
Johnson also encouraged A-League chairmen to more clearly define the role of O'Rourke - FFA's head of leagues, and the de facto CEO of the competition - and give him more scope to act as a voice for the domestic game.The address from Johnson, who has been in the top job at FFA for just over a month, was not antagonistic unlike the many exchanges between the governing body and the clubs during the Lowy-Gallop era, according to the sources, who described his comments as a more conciliatory call to action that came with the support of FFA. It was received well by the clubs.This season is the first since the A-League's separation from FFA - .
The split has been operationally finalised but won't be legally signed off until the end of the current broadcast deal in 2023.
The circumstances have left the competition burdened with a sense of inertia. Club sources have spoken regularly of confusion as to where certain responsibilities lie, and the hesitancy has led to a failure to sell a unified message or vision to supporters against a backdrop of declining television ratings, crowds and sponsorships.O'Rourke, meanwhile, has been working as the head of a business unit within FFA but reports not to a singular chairman or board, but all 12 club owners at once, with no real mandate to serve as the A-League's figurehead.
That will soon change, with the clubs resolving to finalise the structures around O'Rourke, back him in and get on with the business of improving the A-League, sources said. The A-League's high-profile advisor, former English Premier League mastermind Richard Scudamore, was also at Thursday's owners meeting. He is on his second trip to Australia .Scudamore conceded certain elements about the A-League were still in a "halfway house" because it is still legally tethered to FFA.
"That was a big part of what we were discussing over the last couple of days," Scudamore told the Herald when asked about who was responsible for the A-League's public leadership."They're feeling their way towards governance, how they're going to run things. The easy stuff is the fixtures, the running of the league, the operational stuff."When it comes into the slightly more challenging stuff - the commercial stuff, the PR, the [communications], they're managing their way through all that. That's still in a halfway house but that's [okay]."There's goodwill on both sides and that's the most important thing - there's goodwill from James Johnson and his team, goodwill from the club owners."
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+x"The easy stuff is the fixtures, the running of the league, the operational stuff." - Big shot international consultant LOL not for this new regime it isn't, the fixturing this season has been diabolical...
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+x+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing.
Sponsorships always seemed to be for an unstated amount and sometimes with a seat at the FFA Board which was just stupid; Lowy did have pulling power but it’s uncertain whether that was commercially advantageous for the HAL.
There was also no separation between administrator and HAL, an FFA sponsor and HAL sponsor were often the same thing.
There’s rumours they’re $10m short of where they should be on sponsorship which is a huge gap to plug if true. I'd agree with you that it's not ideal that sponsorship came with winning a seat on the board, that appears to be true. The flip side: was that the only way Lowy was able to bring big sponsorship dollars through the door? By the end of this year, we'll know if that's the case or not. And yes, $10 mill is a very big gap to plug. Sponsorship in the last year of Soccer Australia and the NSL totalled $8m. Last year it was $28m.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing. Safe to say the old ffa are looking a heck of a lot better at it than the new mob so far. Not at all. The loss of sponsors is down to the old FFA. Corporate sponsorship negotiations take 18-24 months to bring to contract.
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+xHeres the full article. For those that thought iHAL wasnt running independantly, hopefully this clarifies it for you. 'We're not involved': FFA urges A-League club owners to move fasterFootball Federation Australia chief executive James Johnson has urged A-League clubs to start making the most of their hard-fought independence and empower Greg O'Rourke to lead the competition out of the darkness.Johnson delivered the comments at Thursday's meeting of club owners in Sydney, according to sources with knowledge of what was discussed at the day-long summit.
Johnson also encouraged A-League chairmen to more clearly define the role of O'Rourke - FFA's head of leagues, and the de facto CEO of the competition - and give him more scope to act as a voice for the domestic game.The address from Johnson, who has been in the top job at FFA for just over a month, was not antagonistic unlike the many exchanges between the governing body and the clubs during the Lowy-Gallop era, according to the sources, who described his comments as a more conciliatory call to action that came with the support of FFA. It was received well by the clubs.This season is the first since the A-League's separation from FFA - .
The split has been operationally finalised but won't be legally signed off until the end of the current broadcast deal in 2023.
The circumstances have left the competition burdened with a sense of inertia. Club sources have spoken regularly of confusion as to where certain responsibilities lie, and the hesitancy has led to a failure to sell a unified message or vision to supporters against a backdrop of declining television ratings, crowds and sponsorships.O'Rourke, meanwhile, has been working as the head of a business unit within FFA but reports not to a singular chairman or board, but all 12 club owners at once, with no real mandate to serve as the A-League's figurehead.
That will soon change, with the clubs resolving to finalise the structures around O'Rourke, back him in and get on with the business of improving the A-League, sources said. The A-League's high-profile advisor, former English Premier League mastermind Richard Scudamore, was also at Thursday's owners meeting. He is on his second trip to Australia .Scudamore conceded certain elements about the A-League were still in a "halfway house" because it is still legally tethered to FFA.
"That was a big part of what we were discussing over the last couple of days," Scudamore told the Herald when asked about who was responsible for the A-League's public leadership."They're feeling their way towards governance, how they're going to run things. The easy stuff is the fixtures, the running of the league, the operational stuff."When it comes into the slightly more challenging stuff - the commercial stuff, the PR, the [communications], they're managing their way through all that. That's still in a halfway house but that's [okay]."There's goodwill on both sides and that's the most important thing - there's goodwill from James Johnson and his team, goodwill from the club owners." From The Summit JJ wants A-League Team Owners to take full charge on Independence(No Ownership Yet) "T "Scudamore conceded certain elements about the A-League were still in a "halfway house" because it is still legally tethered to FFA." (Yes very independent LOL - like giving the ex a mortgage on a house she legally owns with no cover for you the owner of the lent money.)
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+x+x+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing. Safe to say the old ffa are looking a heck of a lot better at it than the new mob so far. Not at all. The loss of sponsors is down to the old FFA. The loss of sponsors has happened on the new regime's watch. It's on them.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing. Safe to say the old ffa are looking a heck of a lot better at it than the new mob so far. Not at all. The loss of sponsors is down to the old FFA. The loss of sponsors has happened on the new regime's watch. It's on them. IMHO I would bet that S Lowy did not encourage any sponsors to stay on in the event he was voted out. Lowy Senior probably got most of those sponsors on board and as such it was all personal connections. The FFA did nothing but sit on their hands for that last year or so of their reign. To them, it appeared to be just a political battle to be won or lost ....they appeared to show no concern for the sport itself . it seems they may have decided that if they were going to go they would leave the game in a shambles ...and they succeeded. Bravo Old FFA .
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing. Safe to say the old ffa are looking a heck of a lot better at it than the new mob so far. Not at all. The loss of sponsors is down to the old FFA. The loss of sponsors has happened on the new regime's watch. It's on them. IMHO I would bet that S Lowy did not encourage any sponsors to stay on in the event he was voted out. Lowy Senior probably got most of those sponsors on board and as such it was all personal connections. The FFA did nothing but sit on their hands for that last year or so of their reign. To them, it appeared to be just a political battle to be won or lost ....they appeared to show no concern for the sport itself . it seems they may have decided that if they were going to go they would leave the game in a shambles ...and they succeeded. Bravo Old FFA . Didn’t all the board members leave with or shortly after? Eg Caltex board member
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing. Safe to say the old ffa are looking a heck of a lot better at it than the new mob so far. Not at all. The loss of sponsors is down to the old FFA. The loss of sponsors has happened on the new regime's watch. It's on them. IMHO I would bet that S Lowy did not encourage any sponsors to stay on in the event he was voted out. Lowy Senior probably got most of those sponsors on board and as such it was all personal connections. The FFA did nothing but sit on their hands for that last year or so of their reign. To them, it appeared to be just a political battle to be won or lost .... they appeared to show no concern for the sport itself . it seems they may have decided that if they were going to go they would leave the game in a shambles ...and they succeeded. Bravo Old FFA . That is exactly what the clubs did. They didn't even seem concerned that they were trashing their brand. It was get ownership no matter the cost.
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+x+x+x+x+xFootball Today understands that, just as when a government changes hands and points the finger of blame on the prevailing budgetary situation at their predecessors, the A-League clubs have taken over to find that the underlying financial position is 'worse' than they were led to believe. City Football Group 'consultants' are running the ruler over simply everything and are the chief source of advice and recommendations to the now independent A-League clubs. Let's hope CFG's consultants understand the Australian football environment a little better than Melbourne City has to date demonstrated. However, in their defence, CFG would claim that commercial self-determination will make the difference. Sauce hmmm... out of the frying pan and into the fire? It’s hard to say for sure due to lack of transparency but the FFA never looked all that good at the corporate sponsorship thing.
Sponsorships always seemed to be for an unstated amount and sometimes with a seat at the FFA Board which was just stupid; Lowy did have pulling power but it’s uncertain whether that was commercially advantageous for the HAL.
There was also no separation between administrator and HAL, an FFA sponsor and HAL sponsor were often the same thing.
There’s rumours they’re $10m short of where they should be on sponsorship which is a huge gap to plug if true. I'd agree with you that it's not ideal that sponsorship came with winning a seat on the board, that appears to be true. The flip side: was that the only way Lowy was able to bring big sponsorship dollars through the door? By the end of this year, we'll know if that's the case or not. And yes, $10 mill is a very big gap to plug. Sponsorship in the last year of Soccer Australia and the NSL totalled $8m. Last year it was $28m. which supports the point I'm making?
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Will FFA retain revenue from the finals series?
FFA will surely not accept losing the AFC qualification spot income. Hopefully it leads to FFA Cup winner making Asia. However it would render Finals/GF as a friendly tournament.
This will be interesting as we move closer to a split.
AFC aren’t going to accept “we unique” and allow us to use AL GF and FFA Cup as qualifying tournaments.
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I think currently the AFC views our grand final as the equivalent of a cup competition.
There's nothing wrong with having more than one cup comp, as happens in England.
Down the track, it would probably be good to make the grand final some sort of post-season cup comp, and elevate the premiership to being the actual championship (which is precisely how the AFC currently views it).
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Sounds like the FFA blindsided the clubs.
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Gyfox
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+xI think currently the AFC views our grand final as the equivalent of a cup competition. There's nothing wrong with having more than one cup comp, as happens in England. Down the track, it would probably be good to make the grand final some sort of post-season cup comp, and elevate the premiership to being the actual championship (which is precisely how the AFC currently views it). The AFC leave it up to the local Member Association to nominate which competition is the cup competition.
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+xSounds like the FFA blindsided the clubs. It feels more like FFA have been blindsiding every non AL club in Australia
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