But they will have a good idea of how an independent A-League will be structured!

They don't even know who will be on the FFA board. Nice try though.

ACL qualifying is up to the AFC, not the FFA, regardless of who is in charge of the latter. 

Entry Manual for AFC Club Competitions 2017-2020, Section 3, Clause 5:

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/entry-manual-afc-club-competitions-2017-2020-33728

There'll be no change in Phoenix's eligibility, and indeed if we go to 12 teams they'll be the reason we don't get four slots, which is what we should already have going off our ranking.

Is the deal of handing over $3m a year to a bunch of Kiwis in a windy oval with two blokes and a sheep watching worth giving up an ACL spot for Australian teams?

Yeah there was no talk of new teams or P/R just on our future going forward "IF" A-League becomes independent.

 that's not the issue the issue is we have just gone through two to three years of civil war that was for more than for the control of A-League revenue it was for a new teams and P N R .

@ nomates

They can’t know any of that.

First, the working group has to decide the model.

Secondly, the new Congress has to vote it through. .

Nix's owners where on sports radio NZ and stated that new licences for all clubs were to be written up when it becomes independent, Nix will be given a 20 year deal just like every other Aussie club including ACL qualifying. 

Time will tell I guess, however we have no guarantees on either expansion nor P & R.

My hope as always is for a 16 team competition with a second division and in time P & R in time.

We have something like 15 [I think] expressions of interest to join.

I have no idea if the new board can mandate as part of the licence agreement FFA will give an independent A-League that both expansion of the A-League and P & R need to take place.

To date the A-League clubs have refused requests from the media to offer their intentions on the matter.

IMO the big test of the new board will in the key requirements by FFA for an independently run A-League.

I think it's in the interest of both the state feds and the PFA to have more professional clubs. Whereas it seems a number of A-League clubs want to recover their investment, I just can't see the Nix wanting P & R as once regulated its difficult to see them making a come back and the current rugby loving owners do want their investment back.

Interesting and hopefully fruitful times ahead. 

Lets all hope for the best possible outcome.

No because football will be fully electric and self playing within 10 years.

Just watching Bathurst coverage and thinking how the split to an independent board (Away from CAMS) has built V8super cars into a thriving International spectator sport, with a dedicated 2nd tier.

Is this model possible to adapt to football

You possibly haven't realised yet that your interest in the Administration side of things isn't broadly mirrored in the wider community - even in the football community.

However I want to make a point: My enthusiasm for the DFB model hangs on a couple of simple and basic concepts.

Their 50+1 rule requires that the licences are held by real clubs.  I don't know how the DFB define what a real club is but that is a foundation stone of their League.
It means that big pocket investors can't just roll in and start up with a sponsor's name and get a licence.
I genuinely believe it is in the best interest of the A League Clubs to become real clubs.  Some are nearly there anyway.  It could probably be sold to them as some sort of loyalty bonus concept.  Who knows what appeals to them?  It needs to happen formally and irreversibly.

Because sugar-daddys can't just float in, they are able to keep a tight reign on expenditure vs earnings.  This works well as an incentive for individual Clubs to market their product, keeps them solvent and apparently brings the advantages of a salary cap without the fine grained silliness and endless variations that undermine it.

The League is required to play in modern safe stadiums with good facilities.  Talk of moving to suburban shit-holes to save money should die right there.  (As popular as that is with the rabble at the moment).

Not a whole lot of change need in outlook or setup, but it would change the fundamentals of football in this country forever.

That Football Administration is more interesting than the main League tells a story

The DFB model allows for rapid growth if their success is a useful metric.

All-in-all, the final resolution that came out of the CRWG was quite sound.  It calms down the expectations of the radicals and doesn't frighten the conservatives.
The one thing it doesn't do as I far as I can judge is guarantee anybody anything.  In fact, it's arguable that without good-faith negotiation nobody will get anywhere.

We won't know til next year how things are going because there will be a lot of quiet back room lobbying taking place.  Living in interesting times.

I certainly hope we don't adopt  an EPL style setup. It simply isn't sustainable in Australia. 

http://footballtoday.news/features/fact-check-sponsor-exodus

yep

The link below is to a pdf entitled "Structural Overview of German Professional Football".  A large part of the presentation deals with club licensing but the first few pages give details of the relationship and roles of the DFB, League Association and the League operator.  It also details the calculation of the fees the League and clubs pay the DFB and the state associations the clubs operate in.  There are many other documents around that give information on how football works in Germany but this is a good, easy to follow summary.  Its worth noting that the Treaty between the DFB and the League Association mentioned in one of the charts was recently renegotiated and extended for 7 years.

I like the German model as I believe it ties in extremely well with the FIFA Standard Statutes whereas the EPL model doesn't.

http://www.sportbusinesscentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ChristianMueller.pdf

Whats a billion when you've got 10.  ;)

'some cash'   lol

I understand that it was offered by the clubs to get the members of the CRWG to agree on their report and thats why it got into Resolution 2.

When you look at the whole resolution theres no way that anyone can have any certainty at this stage about what the governance structure will be and certainly the expectation of it looking like the EPL is premature.

Westfields Australia and New Zealand was hived off to Scentre Group a few years ago but Frank stood down as chairman of it in 2015.

The international arm of Westfields was sold off last year and the Lowys ended up with some cash and about 4% of the shares of the purchaser.

They pulled their sponsorship out of the FFA Cup and increased their sponsorship of the Matildas and W-League.  I wouldn't expect that the Westfields sponsorship will go anywhere soon.  The chairman of the Board is a football man and Steve Lowy is a director.

I think that clause was added in to get the support of all the state federations at the last minute. It does mean that nobody can complain about the structure of an independent A-league as the clubs don't get to vote on it. 

Funny thing is, 2 of the Feds who voted against the CRWG Congress change will still  get to decide on the NLWG outcome

I view Clause 6 as being unjust. I understand the reasons for exclusion but do not agree with them. It is a gerrymander.

This may end up being years away from resolution.

I hope I am wrong.

Aha ! stand corrected

I thought the froggies bought it

They'll pull their sponsorship, just like they did with the FFA Cup

Scentre Group owns it.  The Lowys have about 4% of the shares and S Lowy is a non executive director of the company.

Thank you.