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Test_Fan - 11 Dec 2018 10:47 PM
Just looking at the list, 
Bradman is on the list in 17th place. He has by far the highest average and least number of games and innings of the top 50. Who has the second least number of innings to make the top 50?

Who is the highest ranked player on the list to average under 40? 
How many players in the list average under 40?
Who has the least number of centuries in the list?
Which player in the top 10 played the most number of test?

2nd least number of innings, Jones had a good average, if I remember correctly 55  Haydos also had a 55 average, Beven had a 60 average (he would be the answer to most Not Outs) G Chappell was brilliant. You may not know of him but as a QLDer I know Peter Burge had an average above 55 and I know he didn't play an excessive number of games so 2nd least number of innings to make the list of top 50 I'll go Burge I know he was better than Lawry and Lawry was good

Highest ranked player to av under 40 would be Cox

Players to average under 40, well I know of 3 Cam White, Bailey and Ferguson since they have scored more runs than M Waugh. I'll say 25% so 12 or 13

Least number of 100's Divenuto scored a lot of runs not many centuries, but least number of top 50. Probably that useless pile of garbage that was Dirk Whellam (NSW gift to stuff up Qld cricket) if he's still on the list, Is S Marsh on the list yet, if so he hasn't scored many. There you go I'm comparing S Marsh to Dirk Whellam, gives you some indication of how well Marsh is going. There you go Baggers another NSWman to be selected for Australia after only 5 FC games I forgot all about him. The list just keeps getting longer.

Ricky and S Waugh played the most tests and both would be there I would imagine, but they were selected at a young age so if a trick question I'll go Border

But I've got a question on Shield who scored the most ducks (0) out of Bill Lawry from 85 games, Steve Waugh from 85 games, Matt Hayden from 89 games, David Boon from 119 games, Allan Border from 108 games or Michael Bevan from 118 games?

2nd question name players post 1970  that had Sheffield Shield averages above 54 no minimum games, there are some very interesting names on the list?
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Test_Fan - 11 Dec 2018 8:21 PM

You totes missed Bevan and Cox... Jones is like #11...

Test fan obviously not a QLDer you missed Love, but the big one for me was Hodge.
Just goes to show you can score as many as you like it doesn't mean anything when it comes to selection for Australia
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Decentric - 11 Dec 2018 10:46 PM
Paddles - 11 Dec 2018 9:04 PM

It is good to have a Kiwi posting here to provide perspective.

You really seem to get me...

And I really seem to get you...

We can balance out a lot of opinion on here for the good of the forum...

I appreciate you understanding my p.o.v... ;-)

Sincerely Decentric - you speak your mind, I speak my mind - and yet we find mutual respect - this is rare on forums.

You're a top bloke. ;-) (I think Baggers is tops too but I don't get his love affair for the Aus seam attack - he wants to talk to me about Bradman - I have nothing to counter him with :P When BCCI fans start Tendulkar > BRadman I either switch off entirely and do laundry or look up Sangakarra stats -  seriously :P) - it is what it is)

Sanga is the best batsman I watched live.

Noone beats beats Bradman on stats...
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Just looking at the list, 
Bradman is on the list in 17th place. He has by far the highest average and least number of games and innings of the top 50. Who has the second least number of innings to make the top 50?

Who is the highest ranked player on the list to average under 40? 
How many players in the list average under 40?
Who has the least number of centuries in the list?
Which player in the top 10 played the most number of test?
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 7:55 PM
I was born in NZ. But my father was an English public school boy.

I had a different take on a world view to you :P

If underarm wasn't cheating, fast leg theory was more than okay :P

Besides - Lillee and Thommo was much faster than Larwood in 74/75.. lest we forget...

And played in exactly the identical spirit of cricket...

Heck... did you see the Windies after they toured Australia in the late 1970's...

Bodyline was for amateurs...

But here's the real problem - Aus refused to play NZ in tests and England would. So NZ'ers just typically love England more than CA.

It is what it is. England looked after us, and Australia shat on us... This is the bluntest honesty you will hear, unfortunately it is still true today. Forget Gallipoli - England looks after NZC better than CA ever will... Besides my father's origins, it is really easy to support England in the Ashes. Like really easy. 

The world dislikes CA and BCCI both. Push come to shove, I like BCCI more than CA myself - but that's just my opinion. But they're easily the two most disliked money grubbing power playing boards in world cricket - even if BCCI is richer and more powerful to make CA its servant...

I get Aussies intensely despise BCCI and will not understand this... but CA is worse... believe me or not - want proof - where's your Bangladesh 2018 tour? Exactly....

It is good to have a Kiwi posting here to provide perspective.
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 8:02 PM
Decentric - 11 Dec 2018 7:50 PM

Did you go and watch it DC?

What a pitch of contrasts. An absolute minefield first two days.. a belter the last two.

An excellent debut by Pycroft. Tell me a little about him DC

I didn't. I was watching the Test cricket, socialising and working.

I hope the  next Shield game doesn't clash.
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Test_Fan - 11 Dec 2018 10:32 PM
Yeah, I did, not a great effort from me at all.

=-)

Nah it was a good effort...
Just not A++

I like your posts...
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Yeah, I did, not a great effort from me at all.
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Test_Fan - 11 Dec 2018 8:21 PM
baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 3:16 PM
Do you mean this season?

Harris ,Doolan, Hughes, Shaun Marsh, Neser, Wade, Burns, Cooper, Larkin, Lehmann

If you mean of all time
Lehmann, Hookes, Voges, Dean Jones, Klinger, David Hussey, Siddons, Law. Probably some older players as well, Am I being an idiot not guessing Bradman? Maybe Ponsford

You totes missed Bevan and Cox... Jones is like #11...
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 7:55 PM
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Most Australian cricket tragics of the time would not agree with that. They saw him as an arrogant, POMpous Englishman. He was certainly portrayed by Hugo Weaving as just that. Win at all costs.. Doing this by resorting to leg theory was against the spirit of cricket.. some called it cheating. Could never allow those upstart colonials and this brash young Bradman beat the best England had to offer.
I was born in NZ. But my father was an English public school boy.

I had a different take on a world view to you :P

If underarm wasn't cheating, fast leg theory was more than okay :P

Besides - Lillee and Thommo was much faster than Larwood in 74/75.. lest we forget...

And played in exactly the identical spirit of cricket...

Heck... did you see the Windies after they toured Australia in the late 1970's...

Bodyline was for amateurs...

But here's the real problem - Aus refused to play NZ in tests and England would. So NZ'ers just typically love England more than CA.

It is what it is. England looked after us, and Australia shat on us... This is the bluntest honesty you will hear, unfortunately it is still true today. Forget Gallipoli - England looks after NZC better than CA ever will... Besides my father's origins, it is really easy to support England in the Ashes. Like really easy. 

The world dislikes CA and BCCI both. Push come to shove, I like BCCI more than CA myself - but that's just my opinion. But they're easily the two most disliked money grubbing power playing boards in world cricket - even if BCCI is richer and more powerful to make CA its servant...

I get Aussies intensely despise BCCI and will not understand this... but CA is worse... believe me or not - want proof - where's your Bangladesh 2018 tour? Exactly....
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 2:47 PM
MikeR - 11 Dec 2018 2:15 PM

White is 15 days younger than SOS Marsh. He brings huge experience to the table. Was Victoria's youngest and longest captain. Also bowls handy top spinners and is a specialist slipper. Wade has a deplorable test record with the bat. See below.
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That is while wicketkeeping. I would love to see he FC averages with and without being a wicketkeeper to see if there is a vast difference. His recent performances seem to indicate there would be a very large difference, He might do considerably better at test level as well when not wicketkeeping. If the Australian batsmen continue to perform badly through out this series and he can do very well in the rest of the Shield season he might be worth a look as a specialist batsman.
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MikeR - 11 Dec 2018 2:15 PM
OK I've grabbed test fans list
Usman Khawaja - 43.92 Keep
Shaun Marsh - 41.13 Will keep if he performs next test, I don't expect 100, but good solid score will suffice
Glenn Maxwell - 41.10 Possible No 6 better than M Marsh
Kurtis Patterson - 41.00 Not yet needs to continue away form in next shield games to prove that he has overcome away from home problems (iffy on Ashes)
Joe Burns - 40.58 In on the condition he is given the same security as the current players of remaining home games (unless total failure) 1 game isn't enough for any player
Cameron White - 40.38 Too old now should have been selected a while ago but for remaining tests of the summer possible
Jake Lehmann - 39.62 No is on a downward turn currently needs to halt drop first
Matthew Wade - 39.57 Solid performer a definite possible 6
Peter Handscomb - 39.02 I wouldn't drop him till test average drops to 35-37 currently still at 42 (name someone else that you're possibly guaranteed those numbers Better the devil you know)
George Bailey - 38.80 Too old now, should never have been dropped in 2014 need him now but too late to re-ignite career

Harris In regardless of next test, should be given a decent opportunity
Head In one of our best performers in last 3 tests reminding me of a young Ponting
Renshaw NO
Hughes NO
Larkin NO even you were questioning his shield selection a few weeks ago
Finch NO was out 3 times in first test but for a no-ball, not even down the order

Therefore my team is
Harris
Burns
Khawaja
S Marsh if scores runs otherwise I would gamble with Patterson because it is Melbourne and Sydney his favoured grounds or Cam White (unlikely)
Head 
Handscomb/Wade/Maxwell(possibly for Sydney)/Stonis (for Sydney if they drop either Starc/Hazlewood/Cummins for 2nd spinner) JUST NO MORE M MARSH 30 TESTS IS ENOUGH

For Ashes Warner back replacing worse of Burns or Harris, but if both performing BYE BYE WARNER
Smith easily slots in for Marsh/Patterson or everyone drops down one and Head in at 6 all based on performance.
Give this team the remaining 4 games

Lehmann on the downward slope, I do not think so. He is doing much better this season than last season which was horrid and he has improved his first class average this season. Still not really pushing for selection, but one the selectors must be keeping an on. 

I think Warner might do well at 5 or 6 if he is not needed to open.
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 3:16 PM
baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 2:47 PM

Little quizz for you all. Who can name the Top 10 Shield scorers. No peeking. Does not have to be in any order.

Do you mean this season?

Harris ,Doolan, Hughes, Shaun Marsh, Neser, Wade, Burns, Cooper, Larkin, Lehmann

If you mean of all time
Lehmann, Hookes, Voges, Dean Jones, Klinger, David Hussey, Siddons, Law. Probably some older players as well, Am I being an idiot not guessing Bradman? Maybe Ponsford
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Decentric - 11 Dec 2018 7:50 PM
Queensland chased down a score of 414 to beat Tassie in the last game.

Unfortunately, Renshaw was out after a quick fire 27 off 24 balls.

Burns, Labu, Neser and someone else, all scored 70 odd in the chase.

For Tassie the best of the bowlers was Riley Meredith with 3 for 70 off about 29 ish overs.

Did you go and watch it DC?

What a pitch of contrasts. An absolute minefield first two days.. a belter the last two.

An excellent debut by Pycroft. Tell me a little about him DC
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 3:27 PM

Bob Massie... 

Quotes are too easy to google... :-)

You were not supposed to google it.  I figured you would make a pretty decent guess at it.
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Paddles - 11 Dec 2018 6:07 PM
baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 5:47 PM

Many, many many times...

Many times...

Loved it as a small fry...

Jardine was such a hero - I always wanted a harlequins caps ;-)

Born in the British Raj, educated at Oxbridge, a lawyer, a gifted cricket captain, living the dream... 

Most Australian cricket tragics of the time would not agree with that. They saw him as an arrogant, POMpous Englishman. He was certainly portrayed by Hugo Weaving as just that. Win at all costs.. Doing this by resorting to leg theory was against the spirit of cricket.. some called it cheating. Could never allow those upstart colonials and this brash young Bradman beat the best England had to offer.
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Queensland chased down a score of 414 to beat Tassie in the last game.

Unfortunately, Renshaw was out after a quick fire 27 off 24 balls.

Burns, Labu, Neser and someone else, all scored 70 odd in the chase.

For Tassie the best of the bowlers was Riley Meredith with 3 for 70 off about 29 ish overs.
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Paddles - 11 Dec 2018 5:36 PM

Did you ever see the Aussie made Bodyline mini series

Many, many many times...

Many times...

Loved it as a small fry...

Jardine was such a hero - I always wanted a harlequins caps ;-)

Born in the British Raj, educated at Oxbridge, a lawyer, a gifted cricket captain, living the dream... 
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 5:23 PM

Much more than likely watched Massie highlights...

But its not in my memory bank...

I have just been so indoctrinated with Ashes Bodyline (32/33), 74/75, 81 and 05 - that its hard for me to accept that there have ever been any more Ashes series bar the 1948 (99.94 finish) with a bit of Botham and Broad in 86/87, Border 89 and Warne 93.

Not really a fan of Bevan outside his useful bowling...






Did you ever see the Aussie made Bodyline mini series
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Not sure. But he finished three thousand more runs than Bevan. Bev was a better red ball cricketer than he was given credit for.

Bob Massie always believed overcast aided swing. His 18 wickets prove it. Incredible to think that you could take that many poles in the one game. Have you seen footage of his feat?

Much more than likely watched Massie highlights...

But its not in my memory bank...

I have just been so indoctrinated with Ashes Bodyline (32/33), 74/75, 81 and 05 - that its hard for me to accept that there have ever been any more Ashes series bar the 1948 (99.94 finish) with a bit of Botham and Broad in 86/87, Border 89 and Warne 93.

Not really a fan of Bevan outside his useful bowling...






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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 3:16 PM

#1 is Boof

But was he ever behind Bevan at any point?

Not sure. But he finished three thousand more runs than Bevan. Bev was a better red ball cricketer than he was given credit for.

Bob Massie always believed overcast aided swing. His 18 wickets prove it. Incredible to think that you could take that many poles in the one game. Have you seen footage of his feat?
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 2:47 PM

Little quizz for you all. Who can name the Top 10 Shield scorers. No peeking. Does not have to be in any order.


#1 is Boof

But was he ever behind Bevan at any point?
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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 3:16 PM

Another quizz. Who uttered these words.
"Once I woke up and looked out of the window and saw the greyness there, I knew it was going to be a day that if I, you know, bowled fairly well, I should get wickets because it was one of those tailor-made days for me."

Bob Massie... 

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 little quizz for you all. Who can name the all time Top10 S.Shield scorers. No peeking. Does not have to be in any order.


Another quizz. Who uttered these words.
"Once I woke up and looked out of the window and saw the greyness there, I knew it was going to be a day that if I, you know, bowled fairly well, I should get wickets because it was one of those tailor-made days for me."

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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 2:47 PM
MikeR - 11 Dec 2018 2:15 PM




Little quizz for you all. Who can name the Top 10 Shield scorers. No peeking. Does not have to be in any order.


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baggygreenmania - 11 Dec 2018 2:47 PM
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White is 15 days younger than SOS Marsh. Wade has a moderate at best test record with the bat. See below.
YearMatInnsNO100s50s0sHS  RunsAvgS/RCaSt

Overall (4)2238724110688628.5847.926311




Harris In regardless of next test, should be given a decent opportunity..  definitely agree.
Head In one of our best performers in last 3 tests reminding me of a young Ponting..agree
Renshaw NO.. needs game time as I want him for the Ashes.
Hughes NO.. does not quite make the grade.
Larkin NO even you were questioning his shield selection a few weeks ago. I was indeed. Could not buy a run. Has since scored two tons. Not test class 
Finch NO was out 3 times in first test but for a no-ball, not even down the order.. agree


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MikeR - 11 Dec 2018 2:15 PM
OK I've grabbed test fans list
Usman Khawaja - 43.92 Keep
Shaun Marsh - 41.13 Will keep if he performs next test, I don't expect 100, but good solid score will suffice
Glenn Maxwell - 41.10 Possible No 6 better than M Marsh
Kurtis Patterson - 41.00 Not yet needs to continue away form in next shield games to prove that he has overcome away from home problems (iffy on Ashes)
Joe Burns - 40.58 In on the condition he is given the same security as the current players of remaining home games (unless total failure) 1 game isn't enough for any player
Cameron White - 40.38 Too old now should have been selected a while ago but for remaining tests of the summer possible
Jake Lehmann - 39.62 No is on a downward turn currently needs to halt drop first
Matthew Wade - 39.57 Solid performer a definite possible 6
Peter Handscomb - 39.02 I wouldn't drop him till test average drops to 35-37 currently still at 42 (name someone else that you're possibly guaranteed those numbers Better the devil you know)
George Bailey - 38.80 Too old now, should never have been dropped in 2014 need him now but too late to re-ignite career

Harris In regardless of next test, should be given a decent opportunity
Head In one of our best performers in last 3 tests reminding me of a young Ponting
Renshaw NO
Hughes NO
Larkin NO even you were questioning his shield selection a few weeks ago
Finch NO was out 3 times in first test but for a no-ball, not even down the order

Therefore my team is
Harris
Burns
Khawaja
S Marsh if scores runs otherwise I would gamble with Patterson because it is Melbourne and Sydney his favoured grounds or Cam White (unlikely)
Head 
Handscomb/Wade/Maxwell(possibly for Sydney)/Stonis (for Sydney if they drop either Starc/Hazlewood/Cummins for 2nd spinner) JUST NO MORE M MARSH 30 TESTS IS ENOUGH

For Ashes Warner back replacing worse of Burns or Harris, but if both performing BYE BYE WARNER
Smith easily slots in for Marsh/Patterson or everyone drops down one and Head in at 6 all based on performance.
Give this team the remaining 4 games

White is 15 days younger than SOS Marsh. He brings huge experience to the table. Was Victoria's youngest and longest captain. Also bowls handy top spinners and is a specialist slipper. Wade has a deplorable test record with the bat. See below.
Overall (4)2238724110688628.5847.926311




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OK I've grabbed test fans list
Usman Khawaja - 43.92 Keep
Shaun Marsh - 41.13 Will keep if he performs next test, I don't expect 100, but good solid score will suffice
Glenn Maxwell - 41.10 Possible No 6 better than M Marsh
Kurtis Patterson - 41.00 Not yet needs to continue away form in next shield games to prove that he has overcome away from home problems (iffy on Ashes)
Joe Burns - 40.58 In on the condition he is given the same security as the current players of remaining home games (unless total failure) 1 game isn't enough for any player
Cameron White - 40.38 Too old now should have been selected a while ago but for remaining tests of the summer possible
Jake Lehmann - 39.62 No is on a downward turn currently needs to halt drop first
Matthew Wade - 39.57 Solid performer a definite possible 6
Peter Handscomb - 39.02 I wouldn't drop him till test average drops to 35-37 currently still at 42 (name someone else that you're possibly guaranteed those numbers Better the devil you know)
George Bailey - 38.80 Too old now, should never have been dropped in 2014 need him now but too late to re-ignite career

Harris In regardless of next test, should be given a decent opportunity
Head In one of our best performers in last 3 tests reminding me of a young Ponting
Renshaw NO
Hughes NO
Larkin NO even you were questioning his shield selection a few weeks ago
Finch NO was out 3 times in first test but for a no-ball, not even down the order

Therefore my team is
Harris
Burns
Khawaja
S Marsh if scores runs otherwise I would gamble with Patterson because it is Melbourne and Sydney his favoured grounds or Cam White (unlikely)
Head 
Handscomb/Wade/Maxwell(possibly for Sydney)/Stonis (for Sydney if they drop either Starc/Hazlewood/Cummins for 2nd spinner) JUST NO MORE M MARSH 30 TESTS IS ENOUGH

For Ashes Warner back replacing worse of Burns or Harris, but if both performing BYE BYE WARNER
Smith easily slots in for Marsh/Patterson or everyone drops down one and Head in at 6 all based on performance.
Give this team the remaining 4 games
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My answer is simple that list is my top 6

An argument could be made for Marcus based on youth and promise but he's an exception really
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PlayerMatInnsNORunsHSAveBFSR1005004s6s
MS Wade612357113763.44106353.71150629
(Tasmania)
MS Harris581501250*71.5787557.25130591
(Victoria)
TLW Cooper611050117845.5478663.74212684
(South Australia)
NCR Larkin6111494175*49.4095851.56210462
(New South Wales)
JA Burns61224729647.2078060.51041545
(Queensland)
DP Hughes611146213446.20105143.95220530
(New South Wales)
JS Lehmann611146112646.1096747.67141491
(South Australia)
AJ Doolan612046111538.4184454.62142614
(Tasmania)
JC Silk612045111337.58123136.63130411
(Tasmania)
SE Marsh
Ok here are the top 10 over the first 6 rounds. Have any of these blokes done sufficient this season plus past seasons to push into a test spot?
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