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Decentric - 3 Feb 2019 9:15 AM
jaszyjim - 2 Feb 2019 9:21 AM

Many good points, JJ.

At the same time  BBL ( Aussie Baseball, fake cricket, Mickey Mouse cricket) is destroying the heartland of FC and Test cricket and the epicentre of cricket supporters, with the leadership of  Crick Aus.

Headlines on the  back page of the local Murdoch tabloid today, is not the Test in Canberra, but a potential  recruit for the Hobart Hurricanes.

 Tassie Shield players are  virtually unknown to the public in Tasmania, whilst BBL players are superheroes.

Wish NZ had your problem. We don't even get regular tv coverage of our t20. It's really difficult to follow up and coming talent. 
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Decentric - 3 Feb 2019 9:02 AM
baggygreenmania - 2 Feb 2019 1:09 PM

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Fake cricket is making so much money, it can subsidise Test cricket and FC cricket, now that we have so many Test playing nations. Given there are England, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Australia, New Zealand,  West Indies, and now Ireland and Afghanistan, all playing Test cricket, we play most of our cricket against the strongest countries - India, England and South Africa.

We signed some sort of agreement to play India and England for a huge portion of Tests. We could also do with playing some other teams that are not quite so strong, particularly when we are in rebuilding phase like we  are now.


The only cricket that makes money are the ICC events, big domestic t20 comps, Aus playing England for the Ashes and every time India plays at all. So Aus is doing well to have the BBL. I wouldn't knock it so swiftly. The issue is the intl calendar around it. A further issue Australia has is the player's union push for such high salaries, means even the players want maximum returns for playing - or not playing in this case. But Australia gets plenty of home cricket, and they want less test matches than England do due to the tougher playing conditions which harms your top bowlers.

NZ in tests has not been to Sri Lanka since 2012, Aus will not be visiting NZ until after 2023 (last here 2016), and NZ will not be in the West Indies till after 2023 (last there in 2014). So I really wouldn't worry about Australia's amount of cricket right now.

Aus needs to determine whether they want to be part of a global game, or just maximise player salaries. The BCCI does not maximise salaries, it funds all sorts from its massive resources. England pays huge money to its intl cricketers, but still funds 18 county teams as well.

Aus FC and List A domestic cricketers are the highest paid in the world. By a mile.



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Initially, I was annoyed the ACT and Manuka had a Test instead of Hobart. After looking at what a good ground Manuka is and the  spectator support, I think we should have  more Tests in Aus year round.
We could have at least 7 Tests per summer and have a two/three Test winter series like we used to against the likes of Ireland and Afghanistan in Darwin and Cairns.

I will take objection to your first point DC. This Manuka surface is the pure definition of a road. Almost as flat as MCG. That spectator support is maximum 14,000 capacity. Unless they at least double capacity they are not going to get a look in hosting the big nations. So Manuka remains a marguee ground. Besides  Bellerive always gives punters a good contest between bat and ball.

Like your idea of raising the amount of home summer Tests and playing the minnows in the winter. But we are purists DC . Not realists. Paddles will find a way to shoot your idea our of the sky.:P
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Decentric - 3 Feb 2019 9:15 AM
jaszyjim - 2 Feb 2019 9:21 AM

Many good points, JJ.

At the same time  BBL ( Aussie Baseball, fake cricket, Mickey Mouse cricket) is destroying the heartland of FC and Test cricket and the epicentre of cricket supporters, with the leadership of  Crick Aus.

Headlines on the  back page of the local Murdoch tabloid today, is not the Test in Canberra, but a potential  recruit for the Hobart Hurricanes.

 Tassie Shield players are  virtually unknown to the public in Tasmania, whilst BBL players are superheroes.

Yes some sensible points made by jj. We do have to be realists and accept that limited overs. specially T20 is the fastest growing and biggest money making format on the planet..unfortunately at the expense of red ball cricket.. which we all love and respect the most of all formats. Dont write off Test cricket just yet. We knock the ICC but in the past few years they have introduced two new test playing nations and have finally ratified and will begin the World Test Championship in the Ashes.  If T20 is to eventually sink Test cricket the sad thing is that apart from we purists.. and I am betting we are still in the hundreds of thousands.. our purest form of the game will not be missed.  
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baggygreenmania - 3 Feb 2019 10:36 AM
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Yes some sensible points made by jj. We do have to be realists and accept that limited overs. specially T20 is the fastest growing and biggest money making format on the planet..unfortunately at the expense of red ball cricket.. which we all love and respect the most of all formats. Dont write off Test cricket just yet. We knock the ICC but in the past few years they have introduced two new test playing nations and have finally ratified and will begin the World Test Championship in the Ashes.  If T20 is to eventually sink Test cricket the sad thing is that apart from we purists.. and I am betting we are still in the hundreds of thousands.. our purest form of the game will not be missed.  

Fortunately despite recognising how white ball cricket is dominating as a money earner, I believe red ball & especially test cricket will be here
for a long time. As Dc said there are hundreds of thousands test purist here & 100 fold in India. As long as India follows test cricket
it will remain long past my lifetime.


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I admired Michael Vaughan as a player and now as an astute reader of our game. Now we all know he is a parochial Pom and may be trying to hoodwink us into a false sense of security but he says we should not be picking speedsters in our Ashes attack. He also says that it is a popular misconception that English decks are made for swing.. yes they are but only to an extent. Vaughan says we should be stacking our Ashes attack with blokes that can firstly move the ball off the seam and swing it too. He says speedsters like Starc and Cummins should make way for the likes of Trent Copeland or Chadd Sayers and Dan Worrall... someone that  does not necessarily bowl at 140/45kph can move the ball laterally and in the air if needed... 
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baggygreenmania - 3 Feb 2019 10:49 AM
I admired Michael Vaughan as a player and now as an astute reader of our game. Now we all know he is a parochial Pom and may be trying to hoodwink us into a false sense of security but he says we should not be picking speedsters in our Ashes attack. He also says that it is a popular misconception that English decks are made for swing.. yes they are but only to an extent. Vaughan says we should be stacking our Ashes attack with blokes that can firstly move the ball off the seam and swing it too. He says speedsters like Starc and Cummins should make way for the likes of Trent Copeland or Chadd Sayers and Dan Worrall... someone that  does not necessarily bowl at 140/45kph can move the ball laterally and in the air if needed... 

I think Vaughan is quite right. Aus should forget about pace in England, and look for seam and swing bowlers... He's 100% right. Pace is irrelevant in England when there's green pitches or swing around. Somewhere Aus went from picking the likes of Aldeman in England, to forgetting about this and playing the likes of Starc and Johnson...
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This  is another bloke I admire. 
Tim Paine speaking to the media about his plans before the Ashes.
"Certainly, going forward, the Shield games with the Dukes ball and then the opportunity to join the 'A' tour and get some four-day cricket over in England is something I’d certainly like to do and I will be discussing with whoever I need to."

Good for you Tim.
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Paddles - 3 Feb 2019 11:17 AM
baggygreenmania - 3 Feb 2019 10:49 AM

I think Vaughan is quite right. Aus should forget about pace in England, and look for seam and swing bowlers... He's 100% right. Pace is irrelevant in England when there's green pitches or swing around. Somewhere Aus went from picking the likes of Aldeman in England, to forgetting about this and playing the likes of Starc and Johnson...

So how do we wake up these archaic thinking selectors?

I do have some faith with plenty of scribes and former players picking both Jhye Richardson and Dan Worrall in their Ashes squads. No one chose Trent Copeland tho. So unlikey CA will either after he opted out of the last Shield match to front up for 7 Cricket.  Copes may now announce his retirement and head into television.
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So how do we wake up these archaic thinking selectors?

I do have some faith with plenty of scribes and former players picking both Jhye Richardson and Dan Worrall in their Ashes squads. No one chose Trent Copeland tho. So unlikey CA will either after he opted out of the last Shield match to front up for 7 Cricket.  Copes may now announce his retirement and head into television.

Wow!

Stopped playing cricket to get behind a microphone!
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baggygreenmania - 3 Feb 2019 10:49 AM
I admired Michael Vaughan as a player and now as an astute reader of our game. Now we all know he is a parochial Pom and may be trying to hoodwink us into a false sense of security but he says we should not be picking speedsters in our Ashes attack. He also says that it is a popular misconception that English decks are made for swing.. yes they are but only to an extent. Vaughan says we should be stacking our Ashes attack with blokes that can firstly move the ball off the seam and swing it too. He says speedsters like Starc and Cummins should make way for the likes of Trent Copeland or Chadd Sayers and Dan Worrall... someone that  does not necessarily bowl at 140/45kph can move the ball laterally and in the air if needed... 

There is a female Kiwi bowler who bowls faster  than Chadd Sayers!

According to Alyssa Healy, she bowls high 120s. Chadd bowls 120 kph.
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There is a female Kiwi bowler who bowls faster  than Chadd Sayers!

According to Alyssa Healy, she bowls high 120s. Chadd bowls 120 kph.

Chadd Sayers does not bowl at 120kph.. that is a fallacy. More like 130kph. The secret of good bowling is what skills you bring to the table. I would prefer to have a  skillful Trent Copeland or Chadd Sayers at 130kph in my team over a wayward tearaway like the Wild One or even Mitchell Starc. .  
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 Australia gets plenty of home cricket, and they want less test matches than England do due to the tougher playing conditions which harms your top bowlers.

Please elaborate Paddles.
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baggygreenmania - 6 Feb 2019 11:39 AM
 Australia gets plenty of home cricket, and they want less test matches than England do due to the tougher playing conditions which harms your top bowlers.

Please elaborate Paddles.

Your grounds are hard like concrete due to your hot and dry climate.
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Paddles - 6 Feb 2019 12:26 PM
baggygreenmania - 6 Feb 2019 11:39 AM

Your grounds are hard like concrete due to your hot and dry climate.

Is there any way they can have more games scheduled in places with softer grounds then? Your country for instance. 
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Paddles - 6 Feb 2019 12:26 PM

Is there any way they can have more games scheduled in places with softer grounds then? Your country for instance. 

Starc is now sidelined like his good bowling mate with a soft tissue injury. Fairly vague description. Will miss India ODI  and poss UAE series. Likely avail for WC. Will be underdone if so. Has he paid the price for trying to bowl thunderbolts in the last Test?
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Is there any way they can have more games scheduled in places with softer grounds then? Your country for instance. 

NZ will happily host your Shield games and has done so in the past. We have more than enough full sized intl ovals bereft of cricket (3 in Christchurch alone), several in Dunedin, the Basin and Bay oval, and a nice ground in Hamilton with a spinning side as well as a seamer side of the block. 

Not sure you want NZ to host your tests. Not good for tv viewing, nor crowds.
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There is a T20 component  for the upcoming  India tour so who do w e pick or is CA going to use the same side for both formats? 

BBL best performers are a must. Short leads the charge with 567 runs. The rest below follow.

Hobart HurricanesMatthew Wade487
Sydney ThunderCallum Ferguson395
Brisbane HeatChris Lynn385
Perth ScorchersAshton Turner378



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baggygreenmania - 7 Feb 2019 9:52 AM

NZ will happily host your Shield games and has done so in the past. We have more than enough full sized intl ovals bereft of cricket (3 in Christchurch alone), several in Dunedin, the Basin and Bay oval, and a nice ground in Hamilton with a spinning side as well as a seamer side of the block. 

Not sure you want NZ to host your tests. Not good for tv viewing, nor crowds.

 ground in Hamilton with a spinning side as well as a seamer side of the block. This sounds interesting. Tell me more. 

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So Saker has resigned, Cooley temporary replacement. 
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 ground in Hamilton with a spinning side as well as a seamer side of the block. This sounds interesting. Tell me more. 

The wicket block at Hamilton has two sides, with two different soils. One side is a spinners paradise, with significant turn, and the other side suits seam bowling.

I distinctly remember the spinning side being used in this game...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8418/scorecard/914235/new-zealand-vs-australia-3rd-odi-australia-tour-of-new-zealand-2015-16



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baggygreenmania - 7 Feb 2019 11:54 AM

The wicket block at Hamilton has two sides, with two different soils. One side is a spinners paradise, with significant turn, and the other side suits seam bowling.

I distinctly remember the spinning side being used in this game...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8418/scorecard/914235/new-zealand-vs-australia-3rd-odi-australia-tour-of-new-zealand-2015-16



Mate that is smart thinking. Why has CA not done something like this up at the Cricket Academy.? Defy belief our cricket administrators.
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Mate that is smart thinking. Why has CA not done something like this up at the Cricket Academy.? Defy belief our cricket administrators.

You have a spin centre in Queensland - full of spinning nets and a spinners oval...

The split block thing, I guess is cost and how often it would actually be used for games. You have so many drop ins now, you just need a few spin drop ins...
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Paddles - 7 Feb 2019 12:00 PM

Mate that is smart thinking. Why has CA not done something like this up at the Cricket Academy.? Defy belief our cricket administrators.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8418/scorecard/914235/new-zealand-vs-australia-3rd-odi-australia-tour-of-new-zealand-2015-16


Couldnt have been a huge turner as only three wickets fell to spin.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8418/scorecard/914235/new-zealand-vs-australia-3rd-odi-australia-tour-of-new-zealand-2015-16


Couldnt have been a huge turner as only three wickets fell to spin.

Look at Sodhi's e/r of 3.8... even 4.5 for Zampa is better than normal...

Sodhi had Aus in all sorts, it was his first game back in yonks and he was looking like 1993/94 Shane Warne. Sodhi aint 1993/94 SK Warne level...
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baggygreenmania - 7 Feb 2019 12:04 PM

You have a spin centre in Queensland - full of spinning nets and a spinners oval...

 What spinners oval? News to me. Heard they were only practice decks.
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baggygreenmania - 7 Feb 2019 12:08 PM
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 What spinners oval? News to me. Heard they were only practice decks.

I am pretty sure where the nets are, there is an oval with a spinners pitch...

Ray Lindwall oval...

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/cricket-australia-unveils-latest-weapon-to-combat-spin/2014-09-16



https://www.cricket.com.au/news/hybrid-spin-wicket-cricket-australia-national-cricket-center-lyon-harris-west-indies-ashes-brisbane/2015-05-12


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Thinking this was an experimental pitch that did not work. They then looked at importing Indian soil. That was dismissed. Then they decided to use Aussie soil. Not sure that has worked either.  So why did they not whack one of the new decks back into Ray Lindwall Oval so the players have a game situation. CA had big plans to produce these decks thruout Australia. Again no feedback from this.
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baggygreenmania - 7 Feb 2019 1:09 PM

Thinking this was an experimental pitch that did not work. They then looked at importing Indian soil. That was dismissed. Then they decided to use Aussie soil. Not sure that has worked either.  So why did they not whack one of the new decks back into Ray Lindwall Oval so the players have a game situation. CA had big plans to produce these decks thruout Australia. Again no feedback from this.

Where Lyon is standing is Ray Lindwall oval match pitch...
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Paddles - 7 Feb 2019 6:00 PM
baggygreenmania - 7 Feb 2019 1:09 PM

Where Lyon is standing is Ray Lindwall oval match pitch...

that foto was taken in 2015. To my knowledge Lindwall Oval no longer has a spin pitch. I recall bout two years ago Boof Lehmann.. think it was.. bemoaned the fact that we had these practice pitches up at the NCC but none installed on a actual  ground...to play a cricket match. They did it two years earlier.. why not then.
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