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Zimbabwe just beat Bangladesh in Bangladesh. Their first test win in 5 years and their first overseas test win in 13!
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Well done Zimbo's!
Ben Foakes long awaited test debut for England has also gone swimmingly against SL as he and Sam Curran (yes him again - 48 this time) salvaged the England innings to a respectable 8/320 odd. He is on 80 odd and not out. He got the opportunity because Bairstow was injured in the warm up.
Foakes is reputed to be the best gloveman in England. So Bairstow may have to finally give up the gloves when he returns.
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+xWell done Zimbo's! Ben Foakes long awaited test debut for England has also gone swimmingly against SL as he and Sam Curran (yes him again - 48 this time) salvaged the England innings to a respectable 8/320 odd. He is on 80 odd and not out. He got the opportunity because Bairstow was injured in the warm up. Foakes is reputed to be the best gloveman in England. So Bairstow may have to finally give up the gloves when he returns. Have a chuckle when I have a look at the Pom lineup.. Stokes, Woakes and Foakes. I am always of the opinion you play your best keeper for Tests.
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+x+xWell done Zimbo's! Ben Foakes long awaited test debut for England has also gone swimmingly against SL as he and Sam Curran (yes him again - 48 this time) salvaged the England innings to a respectable 8/320 odd. He is on 80 odd and not out. He got the opportunity because Bairstow was injured in the warm up. Foakes is reputed to be the best gloveman in England. So Bairstow may have to finally give up the gloves when he returns. Have a chuckle when I have a look at the Pom lineup.. Stokes, Woakes and Foakes. I am always of the opinion you play your best keeper for Tests. Foakes is a quality bat as well. But that will give them Rory Burns opening (who is a keeper), Buttler, Bairstow and Foakes now. Having tried Pope earlier in the year (also a keeper). It is positively Sri Lankan!
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Foakes with a century on debut.
Really pleased for the lad. I called for his inclusion ahead of Pope during the English summer - well this is a magnificent debut for a young wicket keeper.
Ben Stokes will need to do something in this match if Bairstow is fit for the next test.
Anderson with a wicket in his first over. England is on top here! SL 7/1 - England all out for 342.
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Curran and Anderson are swinging the new ball in SL
SL 14/2 one wicket each to the swingers.
SL will be hoping that the keys run out of the bowl in this soon in this swinger's party.
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SL 40/4 - England havn't been this on top in SL since they sent missionaries there.
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+xSL 40/4 - England havn't been this on top in SL since they sent missionaries there. Ha ha!
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England declare 6 down, 461 runs in front, with Sri Lanka needing to make this many runs to win in their last innings.
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Good to read about Zimbabwe winning in Bangladesh! Australia must be the worst team in Asia with current results.
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England beat Sri lanka in Galle by 211 runs.
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England 9-274, with Curran 59 not out.
Last wicket stand of 50 plus from Curran and Anderson.
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Black Caps are holding their own in the UAE. Well done cuzzies.
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+xBlack Caps are holding their own in the UAE. Well done cuzzies. Paddles will be beeming this morning after his Black Caps snatched victory from defeat from the Paks overnite. Now win the second and series BCs.
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+x+xBlack Caps are holding their own in the UAE. Well done cuzzies. Paddles will be beeming this morning after his Black Caps snatched victory from defeat from the Paks overnite. Now win the second and series BCs. Very happy with Ajaz showing the way to the team as to how to bowl in Asia. Bowls like a carbon copy of Ravindra Jadeja. Flat, fast, accurate, lots of side spin from the seam, not much in the way of over spin, just drives the ball into the pitch. Not sure he'll be much chop outside of Asia - but its brilliant to have him around for touring there. NZ has massive injury problems with Santner and Tastle out injured. And Sodhi has to be dropped. I doubt NZ will win the next one if Sodhi is retained. He took 3 wickets in this test, 2 were from full tosses, and the third was from a overpitched half volley that the batsman pushed out to and lollipoped up to a cover fieldman. Terrible test bowling. Just too many short and full balls, and all these endless full tosses are inexcusable. Sure - he got two wickets with them, but he also gave up a lot of runs. He is not a test level bowler, he is a limited overs bowler. Fortunately Wagner bowled beautifully. Did 13 overs on the trot at full steam in the desert. Damn impressive. And his E/R over 30 overs in this test - less than 2 runs an over. Not bad for a guy who bowls so many bouncers. KW's captaincy was excellent. He used in out fields to great effect - attacking and cutting off runs. He pulled Sodhi from the attack on a dustbowl because he was leaking runs and let Wagner bowl through to the end despite having Boult who excelled in the first innings. I think he's going to be a better captain than McCullum. And what's more - he leads from the front with own batting. Now if the selectors could just give him the right team...
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+x+x+xBlack Caps are holding their own in the UAE. Well done cuzzies. Paddles will be beeming this morning after his Black Caps snatched victory from defeat from the Paks overnite. Now win the second and series BCs. Very happy with Ajaz showing the way to the team as to how to bowl in Asia. Bowls like a carbon copy of Ravindra Jadeja. Flat, fast, accurate, lots of side spin from the seam, not much in the way of over spin, just drives the ball into the pitch. Not sure he'll be much chop outside of Asia - but its brilliant to have him around for touring there. NZ has massive injury problems with Santner and Tastle out injured. And Sodhi has to be dropped. I doubt NZ will win the next one if Sodhi is retained. He took 3 wickets in this test, 2 were from full tosses, and the third was from a overpitched half volley that the batsman pushed out to and lollipoped up to a cover fieldman. Terrible test bowling. Just too many short and full balls, and all these endless full tosses are inexcusable. Sure - he got two wickets with them, but he also gave up a lot of runs. He is not a test level bowler, he is a limited overs bowler. Fortunately Wagner bowled beautifully. Did 13 overs on the trot at full steam in the desert. Damn impressive. And his E/R over 30 overs in this test - less than 2 runs an over. Not bad for a guy who bowls so many bouncers. KW's captaincy was excellent. He used in out fields to great effect - attacking and cutting off runs. He pulled Sodhi from the attack on a dustbowl because he was leaking runs and let Wagner bowl through to the end despite having Boult who excelled in the first innings. I think he's going to be a better captain than McCullum. And what's more - he leads from the front with own batting. Now if the selectors could just give him the right team... Good read, mate.
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I was told the Poms won the second test against Sri Lanka !
Two away wins in a row!
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England team for the third test appears to be
1 Jennings 2 Burns 3 Bairstow 4 Root 5 Stokes 6 Buttler 7 Foakes+ 8 Ali 9 Rashid 10 Leach 11 Broad
Curran is injured and Anderson rotated out. England seems to have some real selection headaches now of who to leave out. Leach appears to be the premier spinner. Ali has bowled well against India and SL. And Woakes will return when fit one would think.
Still pretty amazing Curran is not able to secure his spot when he turns so many losing position into game winning chances for England, so so often. He has the happy knack of making runs when the batsmen on both teams are struggling.
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Pak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want.
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+xPak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want. Of course CA is going to choose our national side on the basis of superior Shield performances. We always have and should always do so. In addition strong A performances lead to national selection. That was how Steve Smith was returned to test cricket if memory serves. So OZ should have been playing India A at present? I wanna see an A tri series sometime. matter of arranging the schedule. Will have to be in Oz's off season as CA will never allow our S Shield to be compromised. Nor should it. It remains the strongest domestic comp in world cricket.. or does that honor belong to India's Ranji Trophy.
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+x+xPak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want. Of course CA is going to choose our national side on the basis of superior Shield performances. We always have and should always do so. In addition strong A performances lead to national selection. That was how Steve Smith was returned to test cricket if memory serves. So OZ should have been playing India A at present? I wanna see an A tri series sometime. matter of arranging the schedule. Will have to be in Oz's off season as CA will never allow our S Shield to be compromised. Nor should it. It remains the strongest domestic comp in world cricket.. or does that honor belong to India's Ranji Trophy. Imo, noone should invite Australia into the A series world if Australia is not prepared to reciprocate and host at appropriate venues and times itself. It is just not in the interests of England et al to do so. It would simply give Australia an unfair advantage. Who wants to give that away for nothing back? Pakistan, England, India, NZ, WI are all prepared to sacrifice something at domestic level to let the A system work. If Aus just wants the benefit and not the burden of A tour tests, they'd all be fools to let CA participate in a meaningful way as a "free rider". I mean CA would be rational to try for it, but I'd be disappointed if the Boards acquiesced to that selfishness. Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. A tours are about mutual reciprocity for mutual advantage. People sacrifice their domestic scene and let foerigners play in typical conditions which will help them in the future should they make the test teams. It is not about 'free riding' and taking the benefit of a tour but not hosting in real season. As for the strongest domestic comp? That's a very bold claim given Australia's away record of late (Bangladesh, England, SL, SA, UAE and Ind all spring to mind). But if you think so - sure make this claim. But Ranji? India also has the Duleep and IPL as well which are at a much higher level than the Ranji... India without a doubt has the most international quality cricketers of any single nation right now. Their squad of intl ready talent is huuuuge. Their A captain has a test tripple century scored against England...(Perhaps he fluked it - and he's a long way from ever getting a recall as I count 12 current intl Indian batsmen ahead of him). They're not all Kohli standard, but they have people on the sidelines much better than are wearing intl shirts for the members of other full member test nations in many formats... Why? Number 1 in tests, number 2 in ODI and t20i - what are they getting right if the Ranji is so wrong? The only position India is weak in right now is seam AR - H Pandya is the only one they have. They have 3 spin allrounders, another 3 spinners, and 5 seamers not including the pie chucking Ahmed that somehow has started appearing in their teams - Idk why. You're entitled to defend the Shield from A level cricket. Like I said earlier - I believe this is why CA has not been integrated into the A world - because it prefers the Shield.... So hopefully the Shield delivers for you guys... This is what I count just off the top of my head: Spinners: Chahal, Kuldeep, Mishra, Seamers: Yadav, Kumar, Bumrah, Shami and the intl joke I Sharma bowled beautifully in SA and England this year with a 21 average for the year thus far Batsmen: Shaw, Vijay, Dhawan, Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Vijay, Pujara, Rayudu, Rahane, K Jedhav (handy spin too) with Vihari knocking the door down. Keepers: Karthik, Pant, Saha, Dhoni (though I really think he is finished) Spin AR: K Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, Seam AR: H Pandya Not even including the likes of Nair, Ahmed, Raina nor Pandey... It is easy to see why Kohli so often gets selection wrong... CA may well defend its home bastion again this year in tests (not ODI), but I don't see how on picking random Shield player Australia will chase this team down globally to number 1 for quite some time... Labuschange, Harris, Bancroft - who are these guys? They just appear to be randoms drawn out of a hat... Pakistan (both formats) and England (tests) look to be on the up and up, though. The latter is remarkable since they only have 3 batsmen, of which are 2 noobs, 1 sucks at home, and then there's Joe Root... They're hilarious!
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+x+x+xPak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want. Of course CA is going to choose our national side on the basis of superior Shield performances. We always have and should always do so. In addition strong A performances lead to national selection. That was how Steve Smith was returned to test cricket if memory serves. So OZ should have been playing India A at present? I wanna see an A tri series sometime. matter of arranging the schedule. Will have to be in Oz's off season as CA will never allow our S Shield to be compromised. Nor should it. It remains the strongest domestic comp in world cricket.. or does that honor belong to India's Ranji Trophy. Imo, noone should invite Australia into the A series world if Australia is not prepared to reciprocate and host at appropriate venues and times itself. It is just not in the interests of England et al to do so. It would simply give Australia an unfair advantage. Who wants to give that away for nothing back? Pakistan, England, India, NZ, WI are all prepared to sacrifice something at domestic level to let the A system work. If Aus just wants the benefit and not the burden of A tour tests, they'd all be fools to let CA participate in a meaningful way as a "free rider". I mean CA would be rational to try for it, but I'd be disappointed if the Boards acquiesced to that selfishness. Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. A tours are about mutual reciprocity for mutual advantage. People sacrifice their domestic scene and let foerigners play in typical conditions which will help them in the future should they make the test teams. It is not about 'free riding' and taking the benefit of a tour but not hosting in real season. As for the strongest domestic comp? That's a very bold claim given Australia's away record of late (Bangladesh, England, SL, SA, UAE and Ind all spring to mind). But if you think so - sure make this claim. But Ranji? India also has the Duleep and IPL as well which are at a much higher level than the Ranji... India without a doubt has the most international quality cricketers of any single nation right now. Their squad of intl ready talent is huuuuge. Their A captain has a test tripple century scored against England...(Perhaps he fluked it - and he's a long way from ever getting a recall as I count 12 current intl Indian batsmen ahead of him). They're not all Kohli standard, but they have people on the sidelines much better than are wearing intl shirts for the members of other full member test nations in many formats... Why? Number 1 in tests, number 2 in ODI and t20i - what are they getting right if the Ranji is so wrong? The only position India is weak in right now is seam AR - H Pandya is the only one they have. They have 3 spin allrounders, another 3 spinners, and 5 seamers not including the pie chucking Ahmed that somehow has started appearing in their teams - Idk why. You're entitled to defend the Shield from A level cricket. Like I said earlier - I believe this is why CA has not been integrated into the A world - because it prefers the Shield.... So hopefully the Shield delivers for you guys... This is what I count just off the top of my head: Spinners: Chahal, Kuldeep, Mishra, Seamers: Yadav, Kumar, Bumrah, Shami and the intl joke I Sharma bowled beautifully in SA and England this year with a 21 average for the year thus far Batsmen: Shaw, Vijay, Dhawan, Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Vijay, Pujara, Rayudu, Rahane, K Jedhav (handy spin too) with Vihari knocking the door down. Keepers: Karthik, Pant, Saha, Dhoni (though I really think he is finished) Spin AR: K Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, Seam AR: H Pandya Not even including the likes of Nair, Ahmed, Raina nor Pandey... Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. [quote]
Players who have left domestic cricket would be far too inferior for what was needed at A level imho. Too old for a start. Some blokes going around in the second tier domestic red ball comp.. we call the Futures League.. could at a pinch make a fair A side. But CA chooses our A side to play India from our best performed Shield players outside of the Test side. We could cobble together our best Under 19 players and one or two older blokes that have left the Shield or having trouble breaking into it. In additrion, our CAX1 squads, made up mostly of NPS scholars have been competitive against touring teams so they should acquit themselves ok against an A side. Question is will the other A nations accept this?
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+x+x+x+x[quote]Pak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want. Of course CA is going to choose our national side on the basis of superior Shield performances. We always have and should always do so. In addition strong A performances lead to national selection. That was how Steve Smith was returned to test cricket if memory serves. So OZ should have been playing India A at present? I wanna see an A tri series sometime. matter of arranging the schedule. Will have to be in Oz's off season as CA will never allow our S Shield to be compromised. Nor should it. It remains the strongest domestic comp in world cricket.. or does that honor belong to India's Ranji Trophy. Imo, noone should invite Australia into the A series world if Australia is not prepared to reciprocate and host at appropriate venues and times itself. It is just not in the interests of England et al to do so. It would simply give Australia an unfair advantage. Who wants to give that away for nothing back? Pakistan, England, India, NZ, WI are all prepared to sacrifice something at domestic level to let the A system work. If Aus just wants the benefit and not the burden of A tour tests, they'd all be fools to let CA participate in a meaningful way as a "free rider". I mean CA would be rational to try for it, but I'd be disappointed if the Boards acquiesced to that selfishness. Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. A tours are about mutual reciprocity for mutual advantage. People sacrifice their domestic scene and let foerigners play in typical conditions which will help them in the future should they make the test teams. It is not about 'free riding' and taking the benefit of a tour but not hosting in real season. As for the strongest domestic comp? That's a very bold claim given Australia's away record of late (Bangladesh, England, SL, SA, UAE and Ind all spring to mind). But if you think so - sure make this claim. But Ranji? India also has the Duleep and IPL as well which are at a much higher level than the Ranji... India without a doubt has the most international quality cricketers of any single nation right now. Their squad of intl ready talent is huuuuge. Their A captain has a test tripple century scored against England...(Perhaps he fluked it - and he's a long way from ever getting a recall as I count 12 current intl Indian batsmen ahead of him). They're not all Kohli standard, but they have people on the sidelines much better than are wearing intl shirts for the members of other full member test nations in many formats... Why? Number 1 in tests, number 2 in ODI and t20i - what are they getting right if the Ranji is so wrong? The only position India is weak in right now is seam AR - H Pandya is the only one they have. They have 3 spin allrounders, another 3 spinners, and 5 seamers not including the pie chucking Ahmed that somehow has started appearing in their teams - Idk why. You're entitled to defend the Shield from A level cricket. Like I said earlier - I believe this is why CA has not been integrated into the A world - because it prefers the Shield.... So hopefully the Shield delivers for you guys... This is what I count just off the top of my head: Spinners: Chahal, Kuldeep, Mishra, Seamers: Yadav, Kumar, Bumrah, Shami and the intl joke I Sharma bowled beautifully in SA and England this year with a 21 average for the year thus far Batsmen: Shaw, Vijay, Dhawan, Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Vijay, Pujara, Rayudu, Rahane, K Jedhav (handy spin too) with Vihari knocking the door down. Keepers: Karthik, Pant, Saha, Dhoni (though I really think he is finished) Spin AR: K Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, Seam AR: H Pandya Not even including the likes of Nair, Ahmed, Raina nor Pandey... Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. Players who have left domestic cricket would be far too inferior for what was needed at A level imho. Too old for a start. Some blokes going around in the second tier domestic red ball comp.. we call the Futures League.. could at a pinch make a fair A side. But CA chooses our A side to play India from our best performed Shield players outside of the Test side. We could cobble together our best Under 19 players and one or two older blokes that have left the Shield or having trouble breaking into it. For instance some of the CAX1 squads have been competitive against touring teams so they should acquit themselves ok against an A side. You misinterpreted me - by everyone else i meant Eng, Pak, Ind, WI, NZ et al... You would hardly choose those who left domestic cricket into the international team now :P Your suggestion is why tour games have been cut back to a bare minimum and just treated like a outdoor net session. :P Just imagine how you'd feel if CA sent an A team to England and they gave you a Lancashire League team to play against... "Sorry - clashed with the NatWest Blast and County schedule this weekend".. It just defeats the purpose and the entire point of it all...
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Pak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want. Of course CA is going to choose our national side on the basis of superior Shield performances. We always have and should always do so. In addition strong A performances lead to national selection. That was how Steve Smith was returned to test cricket if memory serves. So OZ should have been playing India A at present? I wanna see an A tri series sometime. matter of arranging the schedule. Will have to be in Oz's off season as CA will never allow our S Shield to be compromised. Nor should it. It remains the strongest domestic comp in world cricket.. or does that honor belong to India's Ranji Trophy. Imo, noone should invite Australia into the A series world if Australia is not prepared to reciprocate and host at appropriate venues and times itself. It is just not in the interests of England et al to do so. It would simply give Australia an unfair advantage. Who wants to give that away for nothing back? Pakistan, England, India, NZ, WI are all prepared to sacrifice something at domestic level to let the A system work. If Aus just wants the benefit and not the burden of A tour tests, they'd all be fools to let CA participate in a meaningful way as a "free rider". I mean CA would be rational to try for it, but I'd be disappointed if the Boards acquiesced to that selfishness. Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. A tours are about mutual reciprocity for mutual advantage. People sacrifice their domestic scene and let foerigners play in typical conditions which will help them in the future should they make the test teams. It is not about 'free riding' and taking the benefit of a tour but not hosting in real season. As for the strongest domestic comp? That's a very bold claim given Australia's away record of late (Bangladesh, England, SL, SA, UAE and Ind all spring to mind). But if you think so - sure make this claim. But Ranji? India also has the Duleep and IPL as well which are at a much higher level than the Ranji... India without a doubt has the most international quality cricketers of any single nation right now. Their squad of intl ready talent is huuuuge. Their A captain has a test tripple century scored against England...(Perhaps he fluked it - and he's a long way from ever getting a recall as I count 12 current intl Indian batsmen ahead of him). They're not all Kohli standard, but they have people on the sidelines much better than are wearing intl shirts for the members of other full member test nations in many formats... Why? Number 1 in tests, number 2 in ODI and t20i - what are they getting right if the Ranji is so wrong? The only position India is weak in right now is seam AR - H Pandya is the only one they have. They have 3 spin allrounders, another 3 spinners, and 5 seamers not including the pie chucking Ahmed that somehow has started appearing in their teams - Idk why. You're entitled to defend the Shield from A level cricket. Like I said earlier - I believe this is why CA has not been integrated into the A world - because it prefers the Shield.... So hopefully the Shield delivers for you guys... This is what I count just off the top of my head: Spinners: Chahal, Kuldeep, Mishra, Seamers: Yadav, Kumar, Bumrah, Shami and the intl joke I Sharma bowled beautifully in SA and England this year with a 21 average for the year thus far Batsmen: Shaw, Vijay, Dhawan, Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Vijay, Pujara, Rayudu, Rahane, K Jedhav (handy spin too) with Vihari knocking the door down. Keepers: Karthik, Pant, Saha, Dhoni (though I really think he is finished) Spin AR: K Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, Seam AR: H Pandya Not even including the likes of Nair, Ahmed, Raina nor Pandey... Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. Players who have left domestic cricket would be far too inferior for what was needed at A level imho. Too old for a start. Some blokes going around in the second tier domestic red ball comp.. we call the Futures League.. could at a pinch make a fair A side. But CA chooses our A side to play India from our best performed Shield players outside of the Test side. We could cobble together our best Under 19 players and one or two older blokes that have left the Shield or having trouble breaking into it. For instance some of the CAX1 squads have been competitive against touring teams so they should acquit themselves ok against an A side. You misinterpreted me - by everyone else i meant Eng, Pak, Ind, WI, NZ et al... You would hardly choose those who left domestic cricket into the international team now :P Your suggestion is why tour games have been cut back to a bare minimum and just treated like a outdoor net session. :P Just imagine how you'd feel if CA sent an A team to England and they gave you a Lancashire League team to play against... "Sorry - clashed with the NatWest Blast and County schedule this weekend".. It just defeats the purpose and the entire point of it all... Your suggestion is why tour games have been cut back to a bare minimum and just treated like a outdoor net session.  Just imagine how you'd feel if CA sent an A team to England and they gave you a Lancashire League team to play against...[quote] In another lifetime the touring side played the strongest Shield sides. A week must have been put a side from the SS to accomodate this very popular fixture. There were three if memory serves prior to the First Test.. or was it two prior and one during. How about the Poms tours way back when our tourists played every county side before and during the tour. That was about 30 sides. That was in Bradman's time. Over the intervening years the matches declined to the ludicrous situation we have today with our blokes playing two second division sides.. usually minus their best players. At least we provide touring teams with players that have the potential play for Australia one day. Talented and hungry.. not stale like has been county pros.
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+x+x+xPak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want. Of course CA is going to choose our national side on the basis of superior Shield performances. We always have and should always do so. In addition strong A performances lead to national selection. That was how Steve Smith was returned to test cricket if memory serves. So OZ should have been playing India A at present? I wanna see an A tri series sometime. matter of arranging the schedule. Will have to be in Oz's off season as CA will never allow our S Shield to be compromised. Nor should it. It remains the strongest domestic comp in world cricket.. or does that honor belong to India's Ranji Trophy. Imo, noone should invite Australia into the A series world if Australia is not prepared to reciprocate and host at appropriate venues and times itself. It is just not in the interests of England et al to do so. It would simply give Australia an unfair advantage. Who wants to give that away for nothing back? Pakistan, England, India, NZ, WI are all prepared to sacrifice something at domestic level to let the A system work. If Aus just wants the benefit and not the burden of A tour tests, they'd all be fools to let CA participate in a meaningful way as a "free rider". I mean CA would be rational to try for it, but I'd be disappointed if the Boards acquiesced to that selfishness. Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. A tours are about mutual reciprocity for mutual advantage. People sacrifice their domestic scene and let foerigners play in typical conditions which will help them in the future should they make the test teams. It is not about 'free riding' and taking the benefit of a tour but not hosting in real season. As for the strongest domestic comp? That's a very bold claim given Australia's away record of late (Bangladesh, England, SL, SA, UAE and Ind all spring to mind). But if you think so - sure make this claim. But Ranji? India also has the Duleep and IPL as well which are at a much higher level than the Ranji... India without a doubt has the most international quality cricketers of any single nation right now. Their squad of intl ready talent is huuuuge. Their A captain has a test tripple century scored against England...(Perhaps he fluked it - and he's a long way from ever getting a recall as I count 12 current intl Indian batsmen ahead of him). They're not all Kohli standard, but they have people on the sidelines much better than are wearing intl shirts for the members of other full member test nations in many formats... Why? Number 1 in tests, number 2 in ODI and t20i - what are they getting right if the Ranji is so wrong? The only position India is weak in right now is seam AR - H Pandya is the only one they have. They have 3 spin allrounders, another 3 spinners, and 5 seamers not including the pie chucking Ahmed that somehow has started appearing in their teams - Idk why. You're entitled to defend the Shield from A level cricket. Like I said earlier - I believe this is why CA has not been integrated into the A world - because it prefers the Shield.... So hopefully the Shield delivers for you guys... This is what I count just off the top of my head: Spinners: Chahal, Kuldeep, Mishra, Seamers: Yadav, Kumar, Bumrah, Shami and the intl joke I Sharma bowled beautifully in SA and England this year with a 21 average for the year thus far Batsmen: Shaw, Vijay, Dhawan, Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Vijay, Pujara, Rayudu, Rahane, K Jedhav (handy spin too) with Vihari knocking the door down. Keepers: Karthik, Pant, Saha, Dhoni (though I really think he is finished) Spin AR: K Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, Seam AR: H Pandya Not even including the likes of Nair, Ahmed, Raina nor Pandey... It is easy to see why Kohli so often gets selection wrong... CA may well defend its home bastion again this year in tests (not ODI), but I don't see how on picking random Shield player Australia will chase this team down globally to number 1 for quite some time... Labuschange, Harris, Bancroft - who are these guys? They just appear to be randoms drawn out of a hat... Pakistan (both formats) and England (tests) look to be on the up and up, though. The latter is remarkable since they only have 3 batsmen, of which are 2 noobs, 1 sucks at home, and then there's Joe Root... They're hilarious! Not that I am putting these blokes in the same category as those greats.. but you could well ask who were Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting and Adam Gilchrist when they were first chosen for a Baggy Green cap. Unless you were an avid cricket tragic in those days you did not have much idea who was making a name for themselves at domestic level. I was familiar with the Waugh brothers as I wrote for the Bankstown Torch..their local paper. They were streets ahead of anyone their own age and when they were chosen to play for Bankstown in Sydney Premier Cricket they were also too good for seasoned pros. As for the three you alluded to.. Labu I knew nothing about until late last year.. Bancroft played in the under19 WC in 2012.. Harris may have attended the Academy.
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+x+x+x+xPak A beat the England Lions in their unofficial test match. New Pak paceman who has been doiminating ODI and T20i already, Shaheen Afridi just blew England away with 7 cheap wickets. This is some serious pace stocks Pakistan now have. It is like an arsenal. Anyway - he will he in the test team soon I am sure. Look out for him, he's tall, left arm, 140+ and skilled. This was a desert pitch. Caused the NZ ODI batsmen no end of trouble. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19019/scorecard/1165040/england-lions-vs-pakistan-a-only-unofficial-test-eng-lions-in-uae-2018-19Just imagine Abbas, Amir, Ali, Afridi vs Rabada, Steyn and Ngidi in a few months time. Juicy! The two best seam attacks in the world going at it on sporty Safrican pitches. Pak are still short on new batting talent, though. But their allrounders they needed for limited overs have already come through. NZA with some spirited tail end hitting had the better of Ind A in their first drawn unofficial test match. The second A test is underway now, and it is official that Will Young having moved to opener just for this series, is now the next best batsman not in the NZ test team currently for any and every position. Hitting 49 in the first "A test" he is currently 70* with the team collapsing around him from the get-go. http://scoring.nzc.nz/livescoring/match38a9345b-4b88-4c4f-a3a0-cac8e4bcfd7e/scorecard.aspxDon't know why Aus is not selecting their replacements from A games and relies on Shield cricket. Seems a tad silly to me. Nevermind, NZ gets the benefit of the A tour that Aus did not want. Of course CA is going to choose our national side on the basis of superior Shield performances. We always have and should always do so. In addition strong A performances lead to national selection. That was how Steve Smith was returned to test cricket if memory serves. So OZ should have been playing India A at present? I wanna see an A tri series sometime. matter of arranging the schedule. Will have to be in Oz's off season as CA will never allow our S Shield to be compromised. Nor should it. It remains the strongest domestic comp in world cricket.. or does that honor belong to India's Ranji Trophy. Imo, noone should invite Australia into the A series world if Australia is not prepared to reciprocate and host at appropriate venues and times itself. It is just not in the interests of England et al to do so. It would simply give Australia an unfair advantage. Who wants to give that away for nothing back? Pakistan, England, India, NZ, WI are all prepared to sacrifice something at domestic level to let the A system work. If Aus just wants the benefit and not the burden of A tour tests, they'd all be fools to let CA participate in a meaningful way as a "free rider". I mean CA would be rational to try for it, but I'd be disappointed if the Boards acquiesced to that selfishness. Let Australia select from domestic and shield as they always have and always should do so, and everyone else who has left domestic cricket to feed the A teams may make international test selections based on the basis of A games - that all seems fair to me. A tours are about mutual reciprocity for mutual advantage. People sacrifice their domestic scene and let foerigners play in typical conditions which will help them in the future should they make the test teams. It is not about 'free riding' and taking the benefit of a tour but not hosting in real season. As for the strongest domestic comp? That's a very bold claim given Australia's away record of late (Bangladesh, England, SL, SA, UAE and Ind all spring to mind). But if you think so - sure make this claim. But Ranji? India also has the Duleep and IPL as well which are at a much higher level than the Ranji... India without a doubt has the most international quality cricketers of any single nation right now. Their squad of intl ready talent is huuuuge. Their A captain has a test tripple century scored against England...(Perhaps he fluked it - and he's a long way from ever getting a recall as I count 12 current intl Indian batsmen ahead of him). They're not all Kohli standard, but they have people on the sidelines much better than are wearing intl shirts for the members of other full member test nations in many formats... Why? Number 1 in tests, number 2 in ODI and t20i - what are they getting right if the Ranji is so wrong? The only position India is weak in right now is seam AR - H Pandya is the only one they have. They have 3 spin allrounders, another 3 spinners, and 5 seamers not including the pie chucking Ahmed that somehow has started appearing in their teams - Idk why. You're entitled to defend the Shield from A level cricket. Like I said earlier - I believe this is why CA has not been integrated into the A world - because it prefers the Shield.... So hopefully the Shield delivers for you guys... This is what I count just off the top of my head: Spinners: Chahal, Kuldeep, Mishra, Seamers: Yadav, Kumar, Bumrah, Shami and the intl joke I Sharma bowled beautifully in SA and England this year with a 21 average for the year thus far Batsmen: Shaw, Vijay, Dhawan, Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Vijay, Pujara, Rayudu, Rahane, K Jedhav (handy spin too) with Vihari knocking the door down. Keepers: Karthik, Pant, Saha, Dhoni (though I really think he is finished) Spin AR: K Pandya, Jadeja, Ashwin, Seam AR: H Pandya Not even including the likes of Nair, Ahmed, Raina nor Pandey... It is easy to see why Kohli so often gets selection wrong... CA may well defend its home bastion again this year in tests (not ODI), but I don't see how on picking random Shield player Australia will chase this team down globally to number 1 for quite some time... Labuschange, Harris, Bancroft - who are these guys? They just appear to be randoms drawn out of a hat... Pakistan (both formats) and England (tests) look to be on the up and up, though. The latter is remarkable since they only have 3 batsmen, of which are 2 noobs, 1 sucks at home, and then there's Joe Root... They're hilarious! Not that I am putting these blokes in the same category as those greats.. but you could well ask who were Ponting, Steve Waugh and Adam Gilchrist when they were first chosen for a Baggy Green cap. Unless you listened to the radio or read it in the paper you did not have much idea..outside of actually going to the game..who was making a name for themselves at domestic level back in those days.. Bancroft and Harris played Uder 19s if not mistaken. But the avereag Joe would not know that unless they actually followed their careers. I do today.. but not when Ponting, Gilly and Waugh came onto the scene. It is my understanding that Ponting was followed as a school kid after Tasmania Cricket had to change all sorts of youth and junior rules because he wasn't getting out... As for Steve Waugh - despite debuting in 1985 he took until the 1989 Ashes to get fan acceptance - and even then he was still in and out until 1992 or so? There was 1990/91 for his brother - and I think it happened again later... But this isn't India's talent list - this list is India's current international squad!!!! I included no A players, nor Pandey nor Raina. I didn't even include Ahmed because I think he sucks. This is literally their talent pool for picking ODI and test teams from right now... They have more intl ready talent than anyone. I didn't even include Iyer who averages over 40 after 6 ODI's (probably because I forgot about him as him and Shaw are being billed as the next generation...) Between the IPL, the Duleep, the A tours and all their intl games each year - India has assembled a mass of true intl level quality players. By contrast - excluding Saffir eligibility timers: NZ has one intl quality batsman not in the side, and arguably one in the team who should not be there... England has no batting reserves* - at all... All rounders and wicket keepers - they got plenty... Safrica's batting reserves appear light. And with Amla's decline and ABdV's retirment - problematic... I think they're one min if not two short now in their best test team unlesss some star debutante steps up. WI are a batsman short in their main teams at least in Powell. And this is giving Chase, S Hope, Hetmeyer and Braithwaite a lot of generous credit... SL and Bangladesh seem to be carrying spuds - Mahumudullah as captain of the Bangas - what is his playing role? - but in fairness to SL - I just don't follow their players enough to pass fair comment. I mean I follow Chandimal and Mathews, but most of the new names I know nothing about. Its been a long time since Saama, Jaya, Sanga, Tirrii, Dilshan - and you could see depth by who was left out. Now I don't. Eng has Hales in odi, but they have no test spares at all... And Jennings has only ever looked good in Asia so far..
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h ttp://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18602/scorecard/1140387/sri-lanka-vs-england-3rd-test-eng-in-sl-2018-19England well on top in a dustbowl it would appear. Bairstow with a hundred, but then in the press conference says he wants the wicket keeping back. His candor is great and all - but he's basically saying to Foakes - I do not want you in the team...England needs a number 3, they already have 3 quality wicket keepers. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25353977/jonny-bairstow-hits-back-critics-emotional-hundred-wants-gloves-back-too"You've got to deliver when you're asked to," he said. "When you're left out of the side, and you haven't actually done too much wrong over the last couple of years, and all of the sudden you're asked to bat in a role where you've not batted before, you learn on the job. That's how I've seen it, an opportunity to learn on the job." The English guys need to get used to this - they have too many players who now have claims to a spot: This year - S Curran, Foakes, Buttler and Leech have squeezed into Ali, Stokes, Woakes, That's 7 people. Now 2 openers. And Root. Bairstow. Anderson. Broad. That's 13 not including Rashid. The simple truth is people will often now be left out. Curran has been an incredible match winner for England... Leech, Woakes, Stokes, Curran and Ali are in competition for 2 spots I think. 1 Jennings 2 Burns 3 Bairstow 4 Root 5 Stokes 6 Buttler 7 Foakes+ 8 Ali/Curran/Woakes 9 Leech 10 Broad 11 Anderson. England has a selection squeeze big timeI have far more idea of what the Australian test team will look like for the next Ashes than what the English team is going to look like in the West Indies. And I don't believe Stokes is a certainty any more, nor Ali... 5 Buttler 6 Foakes 7 Curran 8 Woakes 9 Leach 10 Broad 11 Anderson
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Okay as I observed recently, 2018 ha been a year for the bowlers. But try this for size, right now the average per wicket for the year is 25.94!!!!!! This is the lowest it has been for 50 years right now.
It will climb a bit I imagine with the Aus v India tests likely to be played on roads, and NZ will be slaughtering Sri Lanka before the end of the year most likely on roads as well. But this is a drastic drop as bowlers have cashed in, especially in SA, Eng, UAE, WI, SL, Bangla, IND... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2015/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?class=1;id=2018;type=year
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Buggar A comps bring on the real thing.. Test cricket.. 10 tests annually is nowhere near sufficient to sate this purist's appetite.
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Shah has reinstated your Black Caps back to earth Paddles. All out 90.
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+xShah has reinstated your Black Caps back to earth Paddles. All out 90. I'm not sure the Black Caps ever left earth, but he sliced straight the Black Caps. Tbf, this collapse was rather predictable, and I did do so before the start of the day's play on cricforum. NZ were epic fools for playing an unchanged XI. As I said on here before the second test, Sodhi had to be dropped and replaced by a finger spinner, and elsewhere I said Will Young should come in for a lengthened batting order. Hopefully he is on the first plane over there right now. I hate being right at times. Selectors and their "don't change a winning team mentality" is stupid. If a team wins despite glaring faults, remedy the faults so as to keep winning...
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+x+xShah has reinstated your Black Caps back to earth Paddles. All out 90. I'm not sure the Black Caps ever left earth, but he sliced straight the Black Caps. Tbf, this collapse was rather predictable, and I did do so before the start of the day's play on cricforum. NZ were epic fools for playing an unchanged XI. As I said on here before the second test, Sodhi had to be dropped and replaced by a finger spinner, and elsewhere I said Will Young should come in for a lengthened batting order. Hopefully he is on the first plane over there right now. I hate being right at times. Selectors and their "don't change a winning team mentality" is stupid. If a team wins despite glaring faults, remedy the faults so as to keep winning... Still your BCs made a good first of the second innings. Showed real character to comeback from that humiliation.
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+x+x+xShah has reinstated your Black Caps back to earth Paddles. All out 90. I'm not sure the Black Caps ever left earth, but he sliced straight the Black Caps. Tbf, this collapse was rather predictable, and I did do so before the start of the day's play on cricforum. NZ were epic fools for playing an unchanged XI. As I said on here before the second test, Sodhi had to be dropped and replaced by a finger spinner, and elsewhere I said Will Young should come in for a lengthened batting order. Hopefully he is on the first plane over there right now. I hate being right at times. Selectors and their "don't change a winning team mentality" is stupid. If a team wins despite glaring faults, remedy the faults so as to keep winning... Still your BCs made a good first of the second innings. Showed real character to comeback from that humiliation. Team needed more batting and less Sodhi. I called it before the match. NZC Selectors are dumb.
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+xPoms win three test series against Sri Lanka, in Sri Lanka, 3-0. That is a turn up for the books. Stokes is evidently getting plenty of praise. He did not score all that many runs but the Lankans are saying that he pulled off some vital plays in the field and took some vital wickets. Always said he is better suited to the shorter formats. From what I heard and I did watch a little.. their spin pair of Leach and Rashid were the driving force behind the wins. That and the huge loss of spin maestro Herath early in the series.
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+x+xPoms win three test series against Sri Lanka, in Sri Lanka, 3-0. That is a turn up for the books. Stokes is evidently getting plenty of praise. He did not score all that many runs but the Lankans are saying that he pulled off some vital plays in the field and took some vital wickets. Always said he is better suited to the shorter formats. From what I heard and I did watch a little.. their spin pair of Leach and Rashid were the driving force behind the wins. That and the huge loss of spin maestro Herath early in the series. Wow that is harsh on Ali. He took 18 wickets at 24.5. It was very much a spin trio :P Herath was barely keeping his place in the team of late and was given a farewell retirement test. Perera, Dananjaya andSandankan all had better years than Herath, with Pushpakumara not that far behind. This was a 3 match test series. Over 100 wickets feel to spin. A world record. If Sri Lanka ever gets a good seamer and they lose him, that will be a huge loss.
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+x+xPoms win three test series against Sri Lanka, in Sri Lanka, 3-0. That is a turn up for the books. Stokes is evidently getting plenty of praise. He did not score all that many runs but the Lankans are saying that he pulled off some vital plays in the field and took some vital wickets. Always said he is better suited to the shorter formats. From what I heard and I did watch a little.. their spin pair of Leach and Rashid were the driving force behind the wins. That and the huge loss of spin maestro Herath early in the series. It is interesting to read your post about the Sri Lankans' view of Stokes, Baggers.
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Kane Williamson keeps writing his legacy. His composure has ensured the Black Caps will post a competitive score to kick off the Third UAE Test. Wattling offered good support as per usual.
A major talking point this side of the ditch.. is the inclusion of former Blues off spinner Will Somerville in the Black Caps lineup. Will played several years for the Blues but was never able to cement a permanent spot. Will, who was evidently eligible to play for both Australia and NZ.. obviously aspired to play international cricket. When CA did not come calling I suspect NZ Cricket pounced and signed him. I always rated Will with his classic off spin action but a bowling spot in the Baggy Greens was never going to happen while we had the GOAT occupying the off spinner's role. So a year on and the big fellar is now making his Test debut at 34. Well done Will.
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+xKane Williamson keeps writing his legacy. His composure has ensured the Black Caps will post a competitive score to kick off the Third UAE Test. Wattling offered good support as per usual. A major talking point this side of the ditch.. is the inclusion of former Blues off spinner Will Somerville in the Black Caps lineup. Will played several years for the Blues but was never able to cement a permanent spot. Will, who was evidently eligible to play for both Australia and NZ.. obviously aspired to play international cricket. When CA did not come calling I suspect NZ Cricket pounced and signed him. I always rated Will with his classic off spin action but a bowling spot in the Baggy Greens was never going to happen while we had the GOAT occupying the off spinner's role. So a year on and the big fellar is now making his Test debut at 34. Well done Will. Will, born in NZ, played 3 years of FC in NZ from 2005-08 when he went to Uni at Otago, and because he never rep'd Australia - was always eligible for NZ as well (more or less). He showed very good composure with the bat. And I am hopeful he bowls with good control. I wanted him in for the last test. I've not seen him bowl that I recall. But with Santner and Tastle injured, and Sodhi just not test standard, Patel needed support that was better. Sommerville has very good stats for an NZ/Aus FC career. Mid 20-s is not to be jeered at. So I am hopeful for him. Right now - he just needs to try and bat and hour two with Watling as NZ seek to post 300. The ball was turning dquare on day 1 from their off spinner. Believe it or not, Somerville's batting right now could be as influential as his bowling. Because Watling is not a dasher. And Pakistan will not have a FC innings collapse on their hands, they do it in the second innings... but there may noit be a 4th if NZC do not enough runs first up. Because this pitch is getting worse... and the NZC top and middle order was horrid...
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+x+xKane Williamson keeps writing his legacy. His composure has ensured the Black Caps will post a competitive score to kick off the Third UAE Test. Wattling offered good support as per usual. A major talking point this side of the ditch.. is the inclusion of former Blues off spinner Will Somerville in the Black Caps lineup. Will played several years for the Blues but was never able to cement a permanent spot. Will, who was evidently eligible to play for both Australia and NZ.. obviously aspired to play international cricket. When CA did not come calling I suspect NZ Cricket pounced and signed him. I always rated Will with his classic off spin action but a bowling spot in the Baggy Greens was never going to happen while we had the GOAT occupying the off spinner's role. So a year on and the big fellar is now making his Test debut at 34. Well done Will. Will, born in NZ, played 3 years of FC in NZ from 2005-08 when he went to Uni at Otago, and because he never rep'd Australia - was always eligible for NZ as well (more or less). He showed very good composure with the bat. And I am hopeful he bowls with good control. I wanted him in for the last test. I've not seen him bowl that I recall. But with Santner and Tastle injured, and Sodhi just not test standard, Patel needed support that was better. Sommerville has very good stats for an NZ/Aus FC career. Mid 20-s is not to be jeered at. So I am hopeful for him. Right now - he just needs to try and bat and hour two with Watling as NZ seek to post 300. The ball was turning dquare on day 1 from their off spinner. Believe it or not, Somerville's batting right now could be as influential as his bowling. Because Watling is not a dasher. And Pakistan will not have a FC innings collapse on their hands, they do it in the second innings... but there may noit be a 4th if NZC do not enough runs first up. Because this pitch is getting worse... and the NZC top and middle order was horrid... Came to OZ while a child. Returned to NZ in 2005. Back in Oz where he entered Sydney Uni or was it UNSW? It was from there that he was chosen for the Blues. He must have graduated before returning to his birth country. Was wondering what he was learning. Will hung around with Watling for 99 balls. Boult strikes early with a double. Gee hes a good bowler. Wish we had a lefty with his ability.
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+x+x+xKane Williamson keeps writing his legacy. His composure has ensured the Black Caps will post a competitive score to kick off the Third UAE Test. Wattling offered good support as per usual. A major talking point this side of the ditch.. is the inclusion of former Blues off spinner Will Somerville in the Black Caps lineup. Will played several years for the Blues but was never able to cement a permanent spot. Will, who was evidently eligible to play for both Australia and NZ.. obviously aspired to play international cricket. When CA did not come calling I suspect NZ Cricket pounced and signed him. I always rated Will with his classic off spin action but a bowling spot in the Baggy Greens was never going to happen while we had the GOAT occupying the off spinner's role. So a year on and the big fellar is now making his Test debut at 34. Well done Will. Will, born in NZ, played 3 years of FC in NZ from 2005-08 when he went to Uni at Otago, and because he never rep'd Australia - was always eligible for NZ as well (more or less). He showed very good composure with the bat. And I am hopeful he bowls with good control. I wanted him in for the last test. I've not seen him bowl that I recall. But with Santner and Tastle injured, and Sodhi just not test standard, Patel needed support that was better. Sommerville has very good stats for an NZ/Aus FC career. Mid 20-s is not to be jeered at. So I am hopeful for him. Right now - he just needs to try and bat and hour two with Watling as NZ seek to post 300. The ball was turning dquare on day 1 from their off spinner. Believe it or not, Somerville's batting right now could be as influential as his bowling. Because Watling is not a dasher. And Pakistan will not have a FC innings collapse on their hands, they do it in the second innings... but there may noit be a 4th if NZC do not enough runs first up. Because this pitch is getting worse... and the NZC top and middle order was horrid... Came to OZ while a child. Returned to NZ in 2005. Back in Oz where he entered Sydney Uni or was it UNSW? It was from there that he was chosen for the Blues. He must have graduated before returning to his birth country. Was wondering what he was learning. Will hung around with Watling for 99 balls. Boult strikes early with a double. Gee hes a good bowler. Wish we had a lefty with his ability. Moved to Aus after 9 years of age, He went to Uni in NZ at Otago (possibly 2002 or 2003 I'd imagine), played FC for 3 years playing from 2005 - 08 then back to Sydney after graduating after a couple of years in England... https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/will-somerville-replaces-todd-astle-in-blackcaps-test-squadAccording to Wiki he is an accountant... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Somerville_(cricketer)By my rough maths, he equalish time in NZ and Aus with 2 years in England... and was NZC academy... Came back to NZ at the end of last season... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnuIgpIFwgHe is very much a modern day journeyman... NZC has a tone Safricans on a timer that kiwi fans cannot wait to see in international. Rippon, Nofal, Foxcroft, Conway - we have stacks of them over here. :-)
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+x+x+x+xKane Williamson keeps writing his legacy. His composure has ensured the Black Caps will post a competitive score to kick off the Third UAE Test. Wattling offered good support as per usual. A major talking point this side of the ditch.. is the inclusion of former Blues off spinner Will Somerville in the Black Caps lineup. Will played several years for the Blues but was never able to cement a permanent spot. Will, who was evidently eligible to play for both Australia and NZ.. obviously aspired to play international cricket. When CA did not come calling I suspect NZ Cricket pounced and signed him. I always rated Will with his classic off spin action but a bowling spot in the Baggy Greens was never going to happen while we had the GOAT occupying the off spinner's role. So a year on and the big fellar is now making his Test debut at 34. Well done Will. Will, born in NZ, played 3 years of FC in NZ from 2005-08 when he went to Uni at Otago, and because he never rep'd Australia - was always eligible for NZ as well (more or less). He showed very good composure with the bat. And I am hopeful he bowls with good control. I wanted him in for the last test. I've not seen him bowl that I recall. But with Santner and Tastle injured, and Sodhi just not test standard, Patel needed support that was better. Sommerville has very good stats for an NZ/Aus FC career. Mid 20-s is not to be jeered at. So I am hopeful for him. Right now - he just needs to try and bat and hour two with Watling as NZ seek to post 300. The ball was turning dquare on day 1 from their off spinner. Believe it or not, Somerville's batting right now could be as influential as his bowling. Because Watling is not a dasher. And Pakistan will not have a FC innings collapse on their hands, they do it in the second innings... but there may noit be a 4th if NZC do not enough runs first up. Because this pitch is getting worse... and the NZC top and middle order was horrid... Came to OZ while a child. Returned to NZ in 2005. Back in Oz where he entered Sydney Uni or was it UNSW? It was from there that he was chosen for the Blues. He must have graduated before returning to his birth country. Was wondering what he was learning. Will hung around with Watling for 99 balls. Boult strikes early with a double. Gee hes a good bowler. Wish we had a lefty with his ability. Nah - he went to Uni in NZ at Otago (possibly 2002 or 2003 I'd imagine), played FC for 3 years playing from 2005 - then back to Sydney after graduating after a couple of years in England... https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/will-somerville-replaces-todd-astle-in-blackcaps-test-squadAccording to Wiki he is an accountant... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Somerville_(cricketer)By my rough maths, he equalish time in NZ and Aus with 2 years in England... and was NZC academy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnuIgpIFwgHe is very much a modern day journeyman... He's not getting much spin - that I will say... 4 overs 0/6 - seems to go for flight and accuracy so far.. The slower he bowls , the better he looks, but he's bowling too fast at the moment. Still - seems to have far more control than Sodhi...
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I saw Somerville bowl last summer in the big bash. It was obviously pretty flat and fast, he didn't flight too many. I think he's more of an economy bowler than a wicket taker.
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+xI saw Somerville bowl last summer in the big bash. It was obviously pretty flat and fast, he didn't flight too many. I think he's more of an economy bowler than a wicket taker. 4/75 off 36 (incl 3 batsmen) - and bowler during a run out - I'lll take it. Definitely an improvement on Sodhi... I agree that think he bowls too fast (too much time on roads). But his economy is due to his control (possibly as a result). He can hit a line and not overpitch or bowl short. He can turn it nicely when he slows it down. Very good debut - if he had played the last test - this series may have already been NZ's... As I predicted he would - he bowled more overs than Ajaz - so he already has the captain's trust...
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KW has got NZ into a good position here.
Lead 119 - plenty of wickets in hand - but only 4 sessions left after this one.
Will he play for the guaranteed draw... or look to snag a win?
(The problem isn't KW - SR 66 - it is Nicholls SR 37
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+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him.
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+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. He's a joy to watch. He hits the ball so softly that he costs himself a lot of boundaries straight and through the off side - but in some ways this actually demonstrates just how good his technique is. When watching the likes of Crowe, Kane and Jesse Ryder, I wonder why does NZC just totally and utterly fail at regularly making high quality intl batsmen? These are the sole 3 since Turner who one would say are technically sound and make runs (whereas Flem could not convert). Latham looks technically sound, but he undoes his style work with chasing wide ones and offering pop up shots to the infield like he either does not know where the fielders are, or just lacks control of shot placement. Taylor's onside play is straight up village cricket. Raval is a fighter (which I like - and he is punishing on the drive), but he looks awkward on the onside and struggles to rotate the strike freely. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Will Young is knocking the selection door down, technically sound, but has a massive hundred conversion problem (27 50's to 6 hundreds - and he score one of those hundreds last month...)
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+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman.
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+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely...
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+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops. Its not seam doing it... its purely swing. These pitches are flat roads....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops. Its not seam doing it... its purely swing. These pitches are flat roads.... You must have laughed when you saw Baggers post Paddles, you know it was just an assumption. I watched Boult's performance and Latham and Williamson bat on Fox, I just couldn't watch Day 2 of the Aus V India borefest bowling. Flat wicket is an understatement, just brilliant bowling.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops. Its not seam doing it... its purely swing. These pitches are flat roads.... You must have laughed when you saw Baggers post Paddles, you know it was just an assumption. I watched Boult's performance and Latham and Williamson bat on Fox, I just couldn't watch Day 2 of the Aus V India borefest bowling. Flat wicket is an understatement, just brilliant bowling. Im getting used to do it... But, I still like Baggers will treat him with respect, though. But yes, I agree with you and disagree with him. Entirely.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops. I had read that morning that it was a green top at Hagley. No? Southee is a specialist seamer. Does he swing it too?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops. I had read that morning that it was a green top at Hagley. No? Southee is a specialist seamer. Does he swing it too? Southee is only an outswing bowler... stock ball is a big hooping outswinger... his variation is an off cutter where he rolls his finger over it. Boult does swing it both ways when there's swing on offer, but his stock ball is a hooping outswinger to the left hand batsman... Boult and Southee both are all about swing... not seam... NZ pitches often look green with grass cover, but they're flat roads after the first morning... I can only think you're mistaking Tim Southee for Matt Henry or Adam Milne... Southee is very much a gentle outswing bowler...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops. I had read that morning that it was a green top at Hagley. No? Southee is a specialist seamer. Does he swing it too? Southee is only an outswing bowler... stock ball is a big hooping outswinger... his variation is an off cutter where he rolls his finger over it. Boult does swing it both ways when there's swing on offer, but his stock ball is a hooping outswinger to the left hand batsman... Boult and Southee both are all about swing... not seam... NZ pitches often look green with grass cover, but they're flat roads after the first morning... I can only think you're mistaking Tim Southee for Matt Henry or Adam Milne... Southee is very much a gentle outswing bowler... Southee can be rather innocuous when there is no swing? Perhaps a bit like Nathan Brackan.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBlack Caps are thanking god for Kane Williamson. One of the Tas Crick Assoc members is a former Shield Vice Captain and subsequently a state selector. He finds fault in nearly every batter's technique. Williamson is one of the few whose technique is close to flawless according to him. Nicholls' technique is absolutely awful. His driving is woeful, his defense is questionable, all he seems to have is one of the best cut shots I have ever seen, and a good sweep shot with his pull shot being rocks and diamonds. But - he is the fittest player in the team, fitter than the pacemen (this is rare for any batsman) runs hard, and has crawled his way into the top 10 batsmen in the world rankings with Smith and Warner still ahead of him). So - he may just make a career for himself just yet despite having a dodgy method. Amazing run down of a world top 10 batsman. More amazing that he is in the top 10 right now to be fair. Consider me surprised. If you only knew how many NZC fans wanted him dropped before his last hundred....( 2 DRS reviews later...) Lets see how many runs he makes in Australia next year - I am going with not many... if he does not sort out his gap between bat and pad defence... I doubt he will even try to straight drive your quicks that much... could see him trying a cover drive on the up to his peril... If he does make runs - I will reassess how he made those runs... (I am guessing he will be sweating on the long hops and rotate off Lyon) I am not the kinda fan who says this guy is good because he plays for my team... He has a FC average under 38 and he is now apparently a top 10 batsman based on some form in the last 8 games... of which only that Pakistan century was all that impressive... given his Eng century came when England was already played out of the game entirely... Paddles Southee is loving these NZ green tops. I had read that morning that it was a green top at Hagley. No? Southee is a specialist seamer. Does he swing it too? Southee is only an outswing bowler... stock ball is a big hooping outswinger... his variation is an off cutter where he rolls his finger over it. Boult does swing it both ways when there's swing on offer, but his stock ball is a hooping outswinger to the left hand batsman... Boult and Southee both are all about swing... not seam... NZ pitches often look green with grass cover, but they're flat roads after the first morning... I can only think you're mistaking Tim Southee for Matt Henry or Adam Milne... Southee is very much a gentle outswing bowler... Southee can be rather innocuous when there is no swing? Perhaps a bit like Nathan Brackan. Innocuous? Just totally ineffective. Southee is a swing bowler. Read his cricinfo profile - they got it right - except he has gone from 145 to 130 since it was written I suspect... http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/232364.htmlHe's just an outswing bowler - that's all he is... he lost his pace years ago... but if there is the potential for swing - Boult and Southee will find it BEFORE the English boys - they really do sniff out any swing in the air... their wrists are better than Jimmy Anderson's... And they have proven this time and time against England heads up... On roads - they suck - on non rreversing dustbowls - they suck - on seaming green tops - Philander owns them... But even just a hint of swing that even Anderson struggles to find... - Boult and Southee are in the game... big time... that's when they shine... that's why Boult loves England... Boult is a better swing bowler than Jimmy - Timmy isn't all that far behind Jimmy... for swing... But Boult is the better of the two - 9 days out of 10... and beats Jimmy most days too for swing...
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So NZ upped the ante from ball 1, NZ slogged 81 runs in 9 overs or so... Declared... Set 280 in 79 overs.
NZC had Pakistan 5 down by Lunch... Just good bowling.
Then Pakistan rallied a bit... But NZC got it done with over 30 overs to spare.
England white washed SL, NZ beat Pakistan in UAE, now which SENA will conquer the Indian* Everest...
*Bangladesh ain't been beaten at home in a while neither...
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Congrats on our Kiwi cuzzies taking out the UAE series.
Master stroke to pick Will Somerville by the Black Caps. I feel he had the game to be Australia's off spinner had Lyon not been there.
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+xCongrats on our Kiwi cuzzies taking out the UAE series. Master stroke to pick Will Somerville by the Black Caps. I feel he had the game to be Australia's off spinner had Lyon not been there. I take my hat off to the Kiwis too. They are showing us up.
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+xCongrats on our Kiwi cuzzies taking out the UAE series. Master stroke to pick Will Somerville by the Black Caps. I feel he had the game to be Australia's off spinner had Lyon not been there. Chances are this could be his only test. Or he could play next week. Noone knows... Todd Astle (leggie with batting) and Mitch Santner (r /os with batting) are 1 and 2, then Ajaz Patel (lo) at 3, Somerville (r o/s) overtook Sodhi to goto #4. The selectors have a really tough decision now. But I think NZ wants some batting at 8 - so Astle and Santner are possibly favoured.
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They’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option.
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+xThey’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option. I don't think Patel is a good option. He's good for a dustbowl. NZ is very different. We only have half a wicket block noted for spin, and that half rarely if ever gets used for tests... (Literally the block has two different soils and is divided in half down the middle - Seddon Park Hamilton) Somerville bowls very fast.. When he bowls slow, he is quite delightful to watch. But that is his cariation ball not his stock ball - easy to change though. Todd Astle is our best option as a leggie who bats, but he's always freaking injured...
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+x+xThey’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option. I don't think Patel is a good option. He's good for a dustbowl. NZ is very different. We only have half a wicket block noted for spin, and that half rarely if ever gets used for tests... (Literally the block has two different soils and is divided in half down the middle - Seddon Park Hamilton) Somerville bowls very fast.. When he bowls slow, he is quite delightful to watch. But that is his cariation ball not his stock ball - easy to change though. Todd Astle is our best option as a leggie who bats, but he's always freaking injured... There are some very scenic venues I've seen on TV in NZ. The crowds are often disappointing though.
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+x+x+xThey’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option. I don't think Patel is a good option. He's good for a dustbowl. NZ is very different. We only have half a wicket block noted for spin, and that half rarely if ever gets used for tests... (Literally the block has two different soils and is divided in half down the middle - Seddon Park Hamilton) Somerville bowls very fast.. When he bowls slow, he is quite delightful to watch. But that is his cariation ball not his stock ball - easy to change though. Todd Astle is our best option as a leggie who bats, but he's always freaking injured... There are some very scenic venues I've seen on TV in NZ. The crowds are often disappointing though. NZ crowds are generally terrible unless England or Australia are here, even then that's really only good for the limited overs crowds. SL and Ind basically get the home crowd advantage when played in the more populated NZ regions and cities. The holiday venues over christmas do put a decent crowd - but its typically the "B" tour with the "A" tour in March (India, Aus, Eng, SA). This year our A tour is Bangladesh... :-(
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+xThey’d be well advised to stick with somerville. He’s been excellent. Haha a first class average of 27 with the ball and he played for NSW in the Sheffield Shield. Patel also a good option. He's been dropped - I would have gone with Somerville over Patel - but I am not a selector. But I think I would have gone Tastle and Santner as 1 and 2 first...
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The first test between New Zealand and Sri Landa is underway.
NZ bowling and have got an early wicket with Tim Southee bowling an excellent first over to get Danushka Gunathilaka for 1.
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Tim Southee is bowling excellently in favourable conditions and now has 2-0 as he gets de Silva caught behind.
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A third wicket for Southee this time a terrible, awful, undisciplined shot from Mendis to Southee's worst ball of the match to be caught at a shortish mid wicket.
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Must have been a good seaming track for Southee to get a five for Paddles.
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+xMust have been a good seaming track for Southee to get a five for Paddles. There was a bit of movement but Southee bowled really well.
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+xMust have been a good seaming track for Southee to get a five for Paddles. Nah - its a flat grassy road to be fair... There's swing - no seam...
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+x+xMust have been a good seaming track for Southee to get a five for Paddles. Nah - its a flat grassy road to be fair... There's swing - no seam... Actually I 100% agree with you there Paddles, it didn't have a lot from what I saw of it. 6/68 for Southee, any chance he has Australian relatives? 4th cousin? Dog born in Australia? Is he looking for a coaching job? Remind me again how much he earns a year from NZ Cricket? Less than 200K isn't it. Reminds me of the good old days when players play for the love of the sport and not the cash. Good effort from the New Zealand players. If they win 2-0 against Sri Lanka they could temporarily move up to No 2 on the test rankings and stay there if Pakistan win or draw a test against SA and England don't win 3-0 against the WI. Even if Australia win against India 2-1 and against Sri Lanka 2-0 they still can't climb higher than 5th. Paddles I don't want to restart the argument we had on the previous forum but you have to admit Australian players are over-paid prima donnas. So yes I am following NZ cricket at the moment, I really want them to do well, because that is the my problem with Australian cricket, overpaid for their accomplishments. First Double ton for Latham as I write. Declare at 550?
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Paddles what's your opinion on Colin de Grandhomme 30 av with the bat 28 with the ball, definitely in the all-rounder category. Do you think he may continue this or is it only early in his career (though he is 32) and will fade with time? Watling progressing up the ladder top 20 all time keepers and an average of 38 with the bat, very under rated IMO, 10 more dismissals he moves past Parore. Best NZ keeper ever?
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+xPaddles what's your opinion on Colin de Grandhomme 30 av with the bat 28 with the ball, definitely in the all-rounder category. Do you think he may continue this or is it only early in his career (though he is 32) and will fade with time? Watling progressing up the ladder top 20 all time keepers and an average of 38 with the bat, very under rated IMO, 10 more dismissals he moves past Parore. Best NZ keeper ever? Colin is a fine all-rounder for NZ conditions. He has a big problem with wrist spinners. He is a genuine new ball bowling option despite his lower pace as he gets swing and nibble, he gets few opportunities to show this - but when he does he succeeds. In short - I don't see CdG causing Aus problems with the ball in Aus - but I could easily see him scoring a century- but he will be absolutely lethal with the ball in England and terrorise them and his runs will be valuable there. He is far from proven with the bat in Asia esp if there's a wrist spinner. The thing with Colin - is first his bowling kept him in the team, then his batting, then his bowling again... He is actually useful in a lot of places - even if its only with one skill... If you get what I'm trying to say... When he fails - he fails in only one capacity - its a good attribute because he's always contributing to the test team in some way. (His ODI career is on much thinner ice). Watling averages over 40 as a keeper bat - he's probably the best NZ's had because of when he scores runs - he scores the backs against the wall big scores that lead to wins and draws that either save or win a series... There's only McCullum in that debate really... I'm more than happy for someone to say Watling is the best on the New Zealand cricket history books. Latham is a minnow basher - I am far from convinced... In fact - this innings has probably saved his test career with Will Young breathing down his neck for an opener's spot... Latham is like the opposite of Watling.
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+x+xPaddles what's your opinion on Colin de Grandhomme 30 av with the bat 28 with the ball, definitely in the all-rounder category. Do you think he may continue this or is it only early in his career (though he is 32) and will fade with time? Watling progressing up the ladder top 20 all time keepers and an average of 38 with the bat, very under rated IMO, 10 more dismissals he moves past Parore. Best NZ keeper ever? Rain is forecast for Wednesday so NZC will try and wrap this up tomorrow... 7 wickets needed, lead 276, pitch is a road, but only two critical SL wickets to get in Mathews and Chandimal... SL need to bad through the day....
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I wonder if Dickwella can get Sri Lanka the draw, just love his name. 3/19 from the opening NZ bowlers, sorry just dreaming Paddles of what it would be like to have 2 opening bowlers that could give that return. I'll be dreaming for a while.
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+xI wonder if Dickwella can get Sri Lanka the draw, just love his name. 3/19 from the opening NZ bowlers, sorry just dreaming Paddles of what it would be like to have 2 opening bowlers that could give that return. I'll be dreaming for a while. They're swing bowlers... there aint as much swing in Aus... you watch - they'll struggle next year in Aus... it will be all about Wagner in Aus...
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The Test grounds in NZ are often very scenic, but draw very poor crowds.
IMO NZ is too union obsessed!
Sri Lanka, South Africa and West indies all draw low Test crowds too. When Tests were played in Pakistan they drew reasonable crowds, but in the UAE the don't, because their fans aren't able to get leave from work.
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+xThe Test grounds in NZ are often very scenic, but draw very poor crowds. IMO NZ is too union obsessed! Sri Lanka, South Africa and West indies all draw low Test crowds too. When Tests were played in Pakistan they drew reasonable crowds, but in the UAE the don't, because their fans aren't able to get leave from work. Please - NZC's ODI crowds are poor too except when Aus or Eng turn up or India plays in a city.. :D NZ crowds are fine for the Ovals and Reserves, esp over holidays, and its much better than NZC stays away from stadium cricket except for the Big ODI games in March. But yeah - Union rules...
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So Abbas and Philander missed the first test with injuries... but the bowler shoot out of what is probably the two best attacks in world cricket happened anyway. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18649/scorecard/1144153/south-africa-vs-pakistan-1st-test-pak-in-sa-2018-19Despite Vernon's injury, MMorkel and Abbott's retirements, SA managed to drop Ngidi and play D Olivier... who now has 28 wickets after 6 tests at under 20 a piece. http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/486679.htmlShaheen continued on his merry way, and Amir returned with greater continued success for they but someone has to be dropped for Abbas's return in the nest test - Hasan Ali perhaps? Amla made a triumphant return to form as he took the match away from Pakistan with Eglar. But this Safrican production of fast bowlers is just uncanny... what is in the water over there?
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Olivier has continued his path of destruction, taking 4/48 as Pak bowled out for 177... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18649/scorecard/1144154/south-africa-vs-pakistan-2nd-test-pak-in-sa-2018-19Ngidi and Maharaj have a mountain to overcome as SA just go 4 prong seam...
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It's a scary bowling line up SA have at the moment. Steyn even at 36 is still producing. When you have Rabada and Olivier as your No 3 and 4 bowlers your in a pretty good position. Injuries for SA no concern when you have Ngidi and Maharaja as back up.
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South Africa mop up Pakistan to take a 2-0 series lead. Steyn is back to his best wrecking havoc.
Philander despite having ATG career stats must be feeling the pressure of Ngidi breathing down his neck for a selection spot.
Interesting times for the Proteas.
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Southee is only an outswing bowler... stock ball is a big hooping outswinger... his variation is an off cutter where he rolls his finger over it.
I always figured he was a specialist seamer...ala Hazlewood. Surprised you say his stock ball is the outswinger. I have to be honest i have not seen all that much of him. His record is pretty good.. 63 - 237w @29.9 (a bit steep).
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+xSouthee is only an outswing bowler... stock ball is a big hooping outswinger... his variation is an off cutter where he rolls his finger over it.
I always figured he was a specialist seamer...ala Hazlewood. Surprised you say his stock ball is the outswinger. I have to be honest i have not seen all that much of him. His record is pretty good.. 63 - 237w @29.9 (a bit steep). Yeah - he started off as a teenager with a horrible average from 2008-2011 averaging over 40. Then had a great 2012 (he was fast then mind you) to 2014. Plenty called for his dropping as he really struggled on roads in 2015 and most of 2016. But in 2017 he chipped in a few performances after he was the first bowler dropped for two spinners. 2018 was kind to him though taking 29 wickets at 19. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/232364.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowlingBut what is interesting as observed by cricinfo is this: and this: |
TA Boult (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 16 | 348.3 | 82 | 1051 | 49 | 6/30 | 9/99 | 21.44 | 3.01 | 42.6 | 2 | 0 |  | TG Southee (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 16 | 344.0 | 103 | 966 | 45 | 6/62 | 8/120 | 21.46 | 2.80 | 45.8 | 3 | 0 |  | N Wagner (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 15 | 295.4 | 65 | 868 | 29 | 4/48 | 6/188 | 29.93 | 2.93 | 61.1 | 0 | 0 |  | C de Grandhomme (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 14 | 204.5 | 47 | 553 | 16 | 6/41 | 7/64 | 34.56 | 2.69 | 76.8 | 1 | 0 |
Wagner has made life much easier for Boult and Southee, and their averages are helped with Colin bowling donkey overs. If NZ lose Wagner, expect Boult and Southee to suffer big time, whereas Southee can replaced easily - as everyone else wants the new ball. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22831883/andrew-mcglashan-dissects-new-zealand-pace-attack-southee-wagner-boultI wouldn't play Southee in Australia next summer - but it is what it is. This the guy who has really changed the nuance of the team (besides Wagner of course): http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/55395.html
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+x+xSouthee is only an outswing bowler... stock ball is a big hooping outswinger... his variation is an off cutter where he rolls his finger over it.
I always figured he was a specialist seamer...ala Hazlewood. Surprised you say his stock ball is the outswinger. I have to be honest i have not seen all that much of him. His record is pretty good.. 63 - 237w @29.9 (a bit steep). Yeah - he started off as a teenager with a horrible average from 2008-2011 averaging over 40. Then had a great 2012 (he was fast then mind you) to 2014. Plenty called for his dropping as he really struggled on roads in 2015 and most of 2016. But in 2017 he chipped in a few performances after he was the first bowler dropped for two spinners. 2018 was kind to him though taking 29 wickets at 19. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/232364.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowlingBut what is interesting as observed by cricinfo is this: and this: |
TA Boult (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 16 | 348.3 | 82 | 1051 | 49 | 6/30 | 9/99 | 21.44 | 3.01 | 42.6 | 2 | 0 |  | TG Southee (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 16 | 344.0 | 103 | 966 | 45 | 6/62 | 8/120 | 21.46 | 2.80 | 45.8 | 3 | 0 |  | N Wagner (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 15 | 295.4 | 65 | 868 | 29 | 4/48 | 6/188 | 29.93 | 2.93 | 61.1 | 0 | 0 |  | C de Grandhomme (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 14 | 204.5 | 47 | 553 | 16 | 6/41 | 7/64 | 34.56 | 2.69 | 76.8 | 1 | 0 |
Wagner has made life much easier for Boult and Southee, and their averages are helped with Colin bowling donkey overs. If NZ lose Wagner, expect Boult and Southee to suffer big time, whereas Southee can replaced easily - as everyone else wants the new ball. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22831883/andrew-mcglashan-dissects-new-zealand-pace-attack-southee-wagner-boultI wouldn't play Southee in Australia next summer - but it is what it is. This the guy who has really changed the nuance of the team (besides Wagner of course): http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/55395.html It is interesting to read this, Paddles.
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+x+x+xSouthee is only an outswing bowler... stock ball is a big hooping outswinger... his variation is an off cutter where he rolls his finger over it.
I always figured he was a specialist seamer...ala Hazlewood. Surprised you say his stock ball is the outswinger. I have to be honest i have not seen all that much of him. His record is pretty good.. 63 - 237w @29.9 (a bit steep). Yeah - he started off as a teenager with a horrible average from 2008-2011 averaging over 40. Then had a great 2012 (he was fast then mind you) to 2014. Plenty called for his dropping as he really struggled on roads in 2015 and most of 2016. But in 2017 he chipped in a few performances after he was the first bowler dropped for two spinners. 2018 was kind to him though taking 29 wickets at 19. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/232364.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowlingBut what is interesting as observed by cricinfo is this: and this: |
TA Boult (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 16 | 348.3 | 82 | 1051 | 49 | 6/30 | 9/99 | 21.44 | 3.01 | 42.6 | 2 | 0 |  | TG Southee (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 16 | 344.0 | 103 | 966 | 45 | 6/62 | 8/120 | 21.46 | 2.80 | 45.8 | 3 | 0 |  | N Wagner (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 15 | 295.4 | 65 | 868 | 29 | 4/48 | 6/188 | 29.93 | 2.93 | 61.1 | 0 | 0 |  | C de Grandhomme (NZ) | 2016-2018 | 8 | 14 | 204.5 | 47 | 553 | 16 | 6/41 | 7/64 | 34.56 | 2.69 | 76.8 | 1 | 0 |
Wagner has made life much easier for Boult and Southee, and their averages are helped with Colin bowling donkey overs. If NZ lose Wagner, expect Boult and Southee to suffer big time, whereas Southee can replaced easily - as everyone else wants the new ball. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22831883/andrew-mcglashan-dissects-new-zealand-pace-attack-southee-wagner-boultI wouldn't play Southee in Australia next summer - but it is what it is. This the guy who has really changed the nuance of the team (besides Wagner of course): http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/55395.html It is interesting to read this, Paddles. Thanks. I'm really interested in the stat breakdowns of bowling attacks as I firmly believe that they all help or hinder each other simply because its so much easier to get a new batsman out cheaply than a set batsman. And not having to bowl with an older ball doing nothing on a road - compared to new ball bowling - or more excessive bowling in swing or seam conditions also helps lower bowler averages. Then there's the tail end mopping that Baggers and Mike have already discussed this summer. Its a very provable phenomenon - but what is interesting is isolating the importance - some players are critically undervalued - especially those who do not take the new ball. Wagner is NZ's only attacking option when the ball is not swinging (outside dustbowls). But even CdG can do new ball bowling almost as well as Southee... Bear in mind this only typically happens on dustbowl pitches, like in Asia for example. 2nd position | 2017-2018 | 4 | 7 | 109.0 | 34 | 238 | 10 | 3/52 | 3/72 | 23.80 | 2.18 | 65.4 | 0 | 0 |  | 3rd position | 2016-2018 | 11 | 17 | 231.5 | 47 | 630 | 20 | 6/41 | 7/64 | 31.50 | 2.71 | 69.5 | 1 | 0 |  |
Wagner imo may have the least impressive stats, but he truly is as important as Boult. Southee much less so. Wagner works his butt off on the flat with an old ball...
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Holder gets his party started with a ton vs Rashid...
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Pakistan put 317 on SA in SA in game 3...
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Poms must have bowled some real rubbish to a bloke whose FC batting average is a moderate @28. Shades of Dizzy'z double in Asia.
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+xPoms must have bowled some real rubbish to a bloke whose FC batting average is a moderate @28. Shades of Dizzy'z double in Asia. Nothing that extreme... Holder is talented with the bat and always has been... Averaged 37 last year where 5 of his tests were in those low scoring games in the Carribean where Holder averaged like 12 with the ball... Also got a 50 in India last year and this is now his third test ton. Regularly WI's top scorer in both test and odi... This guy is a great number 8 if he can keep his bowling form up... Given the regular failures of the WI batting line up - they need a player like him deep in the order who regularly says - "I'm batting for a while today"... But the Poms made a huge selection blunder playing Rashid over Broad... left Anderson and Stokes overworked as well... Root has admitted he got it wrong... which he clearly did...
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Plenty called for his dropping as he really struggled on roads in 2015 and most of 2016.
He would have been predominately a seamer back then? Is that the reason he morphed into a swing bowler?
A quality seamer who does not swing the ball naturally is going to struggle on dead tracks. that applies to Hazlewood.
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+xPlenty called for his dropping as he really struggled on roads in 2015 and most of 2016.He would have been predominately a seamer back then? Is that the reason he morphed into a swing bowler? A quality seamer who does not swing the ball naturally is going to struggle on dead tracks. that applies to Hazlewood. Nah - he has always been an outswing bowler to rhb... Just didn't swing in Aus for him nor Boult until the pink day night test at Adelaide..
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Windies thrashing England overnite. Rolled by a part time offie who has only 50w @40 with a blow out strike rate of 71. Hang your heads Poms.
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+xWindies thrashing England overnite. Rolled by a part time offie who has only 50w @40 with a blow out strike rate of 71. Hang your heads Poms. What an effort from them. In some ways surprised Holder declared when he did. They had way more than enough but had over two days to go. Holders really developed into a very good allrounder. And that 8fer from Chase was lovely stuff
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Windies have routed England again, this time for 132.
Bravo scored 50 from over 200 balls, as the WI crawled to 306 from 131 overs.
Then the WI foursome ripped through England yet again, even Joseph whose mother passed away during the match was among the wickets.
Everyone is ripping into England, which seems a lil harsh, as everyone is aware of England's faults with the top order scoring, the last 3 tours to WI have seen the batsmen humbled.
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England blown away by the Windies again.. 10 wicket win. We are bemoaning our Test form.. reckon the Pommies have more worries leading into the Ashes.
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+xEngland blown away by the Windies again.. 10 wicket win. We are bemoaning our Test form.. reckon the Pommies have more worries leading into the Ashes. I don't see why... England actually beat India at home and SL away... WI have an attack that is exploiting their customised new ball...
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+x+xEngland blown away by the Windies again.. 10 wicket win. We are bemoaning our Test form.. reckon the Pommies have more worries leading into the Ashes. I don't see why... England actually beat India at home and SL away... WI have an attack that is exploiting their customised new ball... Crash Craddock is one scribe I will always listen to and he says they are in awful trouble.. 77 and 172 and against the Dukes..the ball they know better than any other. Surely that tells a story. They are relying too much on their all rounders and three keepers. Dont they produced quality specialist batsmen in England any more?
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+x+x+xEngland blown away by the Windies again.. 10 wicket win. We are bemoaning our Test form.. reckon the Pommies have more worries leading into the Ashes. I don't see why... England actually beat India at home and SL away... WI have an attack that is exploiting their customised new ball... Crash Craddock is one scribe I will always listen to and he says they are in awful trouble.. 77 and 172 and against the Dukes..the ball they know better than any other. Surely that tells a story. They are relying too much on their all rounders and three keepers. Dont they produced quality specialist batsmen in England any more? Craddock gets so much wrong. He's a populist. It's a customised Dukes for West Indies, it is different to their English ball. England has an opener problem and are trying to solve having no number 3. Buttler averaged over 40 last year, so he is doing okay as a specialist bat. Bairstow has a hundred in the tricky #3 spot, but by no means has #3 or the openers cemented themselves. This naturally leaves the team in a tricky position. However, what was critical in the first game is the only went in with Anderson on a swing pitch, playing 2 spinnners and left Broad (and Woakes out). Terribly dumb decision, and it cost them the game. Anderson was bowled into the ground in the first innings and Stokes was in the second. So they never had a chance to recover from 77 all out. The England team is built on a lot of spare parts, but they still thrashed India and Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. It is true that they have a problem of no top order. But they do have a middle order, and a bowling unit that get the job done, especially in England... The real question is - who else will the WI customized Dukes ball tear through?
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+x+x+x+xEngland blown away by the Windies again.. 10 wicket win. We are bemoaning our Test form.. reckon the Pommies have more worries leading into the Ashes. I don't see why... England actually beat India at home and SL away... WI have an attack that is exploiting their customised new ball... Crash Craddock is one scribe I will always listen to and he says they are in awful trouble.. 77 and 172 and against the Dukes..the ball they know better than any other. Surely that tells a story. They are relying too much on their all rounders and three keepers. Dont they produced quality specialist batsmen in England any more? Craddock gets so much wrong. He's a populist. It's a customised Dukes for West Indies, it is different to their English ball. England has an opener problem and are trying to solve having no number 3. Buttler averaged over 40 last year, so he is doing okay as a specialist bat. Bairstow has a hundred in the tricky #3 spot, but by no means has #3 or the openers cemented themselves. This naturally leaves the team in a tricky position. However, what was critical in the first game is the only went in with Anderson on a swing pitch, playing 2 spinnners and left Broad (and Woakes out). Terribly dumb decision, and it cost them the game. Anderson was bowled into the ground in the first innings and Stokes was in the second. So they never had a chance to recover from 77 all out. The England team is built on a lot of spare parts, but they still thrashed India and Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. It is true that they have a problem of no top order. But they do have a middle order, and a bowling unit that get the job done, especially in England... The real question is - who else will the WI customized Dukes ball tear through? From memory we smashed the Windies 4 years ago with that ball. Why is there no tour this year? Definitely a far better prep for the Ashes than tons of white ball stuff. Ok see if I can find details of that tour. - West Indies 148 and 216; Australia 318 and 47/1 (5 ov, target: 47)Australia won by 9 wickets
- Australia 399 and 212/2d; West Indies 220 and 114 (42 ov, target: 392)Australia won by 277
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+x+x+x+x+xEngland blown away by the Windies again.. 10 wicket win. We are bemoaning our Test form.. reckon the Pommies have more worries leading into the Ashes. I don't see why... England actually beat India at home and SL away... WI have an attack that is exploiting their customised new ball... Crash Craddock is one scribe I will always listen to and he says they are in awful trouble.. 77 and 172 and against the Dukes..the ball they know better than any other. Surely that tells a story. They are relying too much on their all rounders and three keepers. Dont they produced quality specialist batsmen in England any more? Craddock gets so much wrong. He's a populist. It's a customised Dukes for West Indies, it is different to their English ball. England has an opener problem and are trying to solve having no number 3. Buttler averaged over 40 last year, so he is doing okay as a specialist bat. Bairstow has a hundred in the tricky #3 spot, but by no means has #3 or the openers cemented themselves. This naturally leaves the team in a tricky position. However, what was critical in the first game is the only went in with Anderson on a swing pitch, playing 2 spinnners and left Broad (and Woakes out). Terribly dumb decision, and it cost them the game. Anderson was bowled into the ground in the first innings and Stokes was in the second. So they never had a chance to recover from 77 all out. The England team is built on a lot of spare parts, but they still thrashed India and Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. It is true that they have a problem of no top order. But they do have a middle order, and a bowling unit that get the job done, especially in England... The real question is - who else will the WI customized Dukes ball tear through? From memory we smashed the Windies 4 years ago with that ball. Why is there no tour this year? Definitely a far better prep for the Ashes than tons of white ball stuff. Ok see if I can find details of that tour. - West Indies 148 and 216; Australia 318 and 47/1 (5 ov, target: 47)Australia won by 9 wickets
- Australia 399 and 212/2d; West Indies 220 and 114 (42 ov, target: 392)Australia won by 277
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Sigh.... No you didn't. This customized Dukes ball was only introduced against Blangladesh last year. You smashed them with a Kookaburra ball or the regular Dukes... The customised ball has seen Holder, Roach, Joseph and Gabriel just carve through batting line ups. And even saw SL carve through their's as well... Did you even make any attempt to find out about the ball? It is literally customized to stay together (harder and shinier) longer than a regular Dukes. It is a swing bowlers dream. I've seen Holder in NZ and England and never even thought he could swing it much, over there he has it hooping now and he doesn't even take the new ball. And you're not touring this year because the West Indies will be in England for the World Cup...
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+xEngland blown away by the Windies again.. 10 wicket win. We are bemoaning our Test form.. reckon the Pommies have more worries leading into the Ashes. England just beat India at home, which we were not able to achieve, and, beat Sri Lanka away. When we last played Sri Lanka, in Sri Lanka, they beat us 3-0.
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England have a lot of problems in the WI, but I think at home those troubles will be a less apparent. However they do need to find some openers and Bairstow does not seem to be the answer at 3. Amazingly he averages over 41 when wicket keeping but only around 28 when playing as a specialist batsman. However it is going to be hard to give him back the gloves unless they play Foakes as a specialist batsman. Not sure if there is any chance of that happening. Butler and Curran have done quite well but I don't see them being long term test cricketers, especially Curran. Woakes is a lot better bowler than Curran and I don't think he is a worse batsman, probably better there as well. Root is a high quality batsman but he failed in both tests when they needed him to stand up and lead with the bat.
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+xEngland have a lot of problems in the WI, but I think at home those troubles will be a less apparent. However they do need to find some openers and Bairstow does not seem to be the answer at 3. Amazingly he averages over 41 when wicket keeping but only around 28 when playing as a specialist batsman. However it is going to be hard to give him back the gloves unless they play Foakes as a specialist batsman. Not sure if there is any chance of that happening. Butler and Curran have done quite well but I don't see them being long term test cricketers, especially Curran. Woakes is a lot better bowler than Curran and I don't think he is a worse batsman, probably better there as well. Root is a high quality batsman but he failed in both tests when they needed him to stand up and lead with the bat. Foakes is the best gloveman England has had since Russell. He's dynamite with the gloves. Bairstow was dropped in SL, as there was no room for him, so it's bat 3 or bust right now unless they drop Foakes for not batting well enough. Opener and 3 has been England's achilles heal for years now. They've tried almost everyone in county.... It is worse with Cook's retirement...
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+x+xEngland have a lot of problems in the WI, but I think at home those troubles will be a less apparent. However they do need to find some openers and Bairstow does not seem to be the answer at 3. Amazingly he averages over 41 when wicket keeping but only around 28 when playing as a specialist batsman. However it is going to be hard to give him back the gloves unless they play Foakes as a specialist batsman. Not sure if there is any chance of that happening. Butler and Curran have done quite well but I don't see them being long term test cricketers, especially Curran. Woakes is a lot better bowler than Curran and I don't think he is a worse batsman, probably better there as well. Root is a high quality batsman but he failed in both tests when they needed him to stand up and lead with the bat. Foakes is the best gloveman England has had since Russell. He's dynamite with the gloves. Bairstow was dropped in SL, as there was no room for him, so it's bat 3 or bust right now unless they drop Foakes for not batting well enough. Opener and 3 has been England's achilles heal for years now. They've tried almost everyone in county.... It is worse with Cook's retirement... Time ECB put down its collective foot and told Root to fill the problematic #3 spot.
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+x+x+xEngland have a lot of problems in the WI, but I think at home those troubles will be a less apparent. However they do need to find some openers and Bairstow does not seem to be the answer at 3. Amazingly he averages over 41 when wicket keeping but only around 28 when playing as a specialist batsman. However it is going to be hard to give him back the gloves unless they play Foakes as a specialist batsman. Not sure if there is any chance of that happening. Butler and Curran have done quite well but I don't see them being long term test cricketers, especially Curran. Woakes is a lot better bowler than Curran and I don't think he is a worse batsman, probably better there as well. Root is a high quality batsman but he failed in both tests when they needed him to stand up and lead with the bat. Foakes is the best gloveman England has had since Russell. He's dynamite with the gloves. Bairstow was dropped in SL, as there was no room for him, so it's bat 3 or bust right now unless they drop Foakes for not batting well enough. Opener and 3 has been England's achilles heal for years now. They've tried almost everyone in county.... It is worse with Cook's retirement... Time ECB put down its collective foot and told Root to fill the problematic #3 spot. He's not best suited to the job. He spent most of 2018 there and it did not go well. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/303669.html?batting_positionmax1=3;batting_positionmin1=3;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;template=results;type=batting;view=inningsHe wants to be like Clarke and SWaugh and cash in down lower...
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Stokes, Foakes and Woakes might all miss the third test against the West Indies due to injury. Mark Wood is set to replace Curran on the best fast bowling pitch of the series. If all of Stokes, Foakes and Woakes are injured and Curran is dropped it would only leave 12 players to choose including Ali, Rashid and Leach who will not all play.
Bairstow would be the wicket keeper and probably move down the order.
So the team would be something like, Jennings, Denly, Burns, Root, Butler, Bairstow, Ali, Rashid, Wood, Broad, Anderson. although Curran may earn a reprieve ahead of Rashid if the wicket is not spin friendly.
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Actually reading another article Foakes has been dropped despite being fit, Stokes has been named in the 12 man squad as have both Curran and Wood.It seems Curran will miss out unless Stokes is not fit. So the side will probably be, Jennings, Burns, Denly, Root, Butler, Bairstow, Stokes (Curran), Ali, Wood, Broad, Anderson.
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Butler and Stokes saved England after they got off to another bad start by both being not out in the 60s at the end of day one. All of the top four including Root failed, Root is in terrible form.Root averages 52.8 when not captain and 41.89 before this test when captain. Perhaps there is someone else who could be captain.
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Mark Wood and Moen Ali have England well on top after Wood took 5 wickets and Ali 4 wickets to bowl West Indies out for 154. While England are in a position to win the test their fragile batting lineup does not give much confidence, they might be bowled out for a very low score even though they are 0/19 in their second innings.
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+xMark Wood and Moen Ali have England well on top after Wood took 5 wickets and Ali 4 wickets to bowl West Indies out for 154. While England are in a position to win the test their fragile batting lineup does not give much confidence, they might be bowled out for a very low score even though they are 0/19 in their second innings. Apparently, Wood bowled balls up to 150 kph.
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+x+xMark Wood and Moen Ali have England well on top after Wood took 5 wickets and Ali 4 wickets to bowl West Indies out for 154. While England are in a position to win the test their fragile batting lineup does not give much confidence, they might be bowled out for a very low score even though they are 0/19 in their second innings. Apparently, Wood bowled balls up to 150 kph. So what? He took wickets, the pace he took them at does not matter. Effectiveness not speed is what needs to be considered.
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Joe Root scores a century and England won the test. While it certainly is more complicated than that the fact Root stood up as captain and scored a century certainly helped.
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+xJoe Root scores a century and England won the test. While it certainly is more complicated than that the fact Root stood up as captain and scored a century certainly helped. The Pommies have a habit of winning dead rubbers. Where was Root when the series was there to be won?
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+x+xJoe Root scores a century and England won the test. While it certainly is more complicated than that the fact Root stood up as captain and scored a century certainly helped. The Pommies have a habit of winning dead rubbers. Where was Root when the series was there to be won? Seems the ruthlessness we showed the Lankans has woken them from their lethargy over in Saffer land. The locals were humbled by their second string attack and only for a late order counter attack by De Kock they would not have made much more than 150. In replay the Lankans were travelling nicely at 1-49 at stumps.
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South Africa are now well on top and favourites to win the test.
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South Africa 170 ahead with 6 wickets in hand on a bowlers pitch, huge surprise if South Africa do not win from here.
Sri Lanka have a new young spinner, Ambuldeniya, who has taken two wickets in the second innings, might be the key to any slim hope Sri Lanka have of winning the match.
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+xSouth Africa 170 ahead with 6 wickets in hand on a bowlers pitch, huge surprise if South Africa do not win from here. Sri Lanka have a new young spinner, Ambuldeniya, who has taken two wickets in the second innings, might be the key to any slim hope Sri Lanka have of winning the match. Ambuldeniya finished with 5 wickets, very good debut for the young spinner, but Sri Lanka is just losing this test match. They are 3/83 chasing 304 and have no chance.
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Was our complete annihilation of them the catalyst for this? Hats off to Perera for defying the very professional Saffer attack. To be brutally honest I doubted Perera would last very long at all. He does not have the neatest technique. Surprised me.
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+x Was our complete annihilation of them the catalyst for this? Hats off to Perera for defying the very professional Saffer attack. To be brutally honest I doubted Perera would last very long at all. He does not have the neatest technique. Surprised me. I chuckled when I read how rising quick Jhye Richardson keeps himself motivated during a game.. He scribbles messages on his shoes. https://www.cricket.com.au/news/unique-shoe-messages-jhye-richardson-kiss-ruthless-australia-india-odi-series/2019-02-16. Could the skilful right armer also be a KISS fan?
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That is a massive surprise. Well done to Kusal Perera, probably one of the best innings ever.
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His BBL figures were bettered but some in the know are talking about Josh Philippe as their bolter for the WC. The kid is still inconsistent but his two knocks in the finals for the Sixers proved he has the temperament for the big time. I love his precociousness, the confidence with which he takes on good pace bowling and spin. His lofted drives off the spinners reminds me of a younger more brash Steve Smith. So people dont be surprised if Philippe's name is called out when they name the WC squad.
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Huge congrats to the pair of young Lankan batsmen Mendis and Fernando on their under pressure partnership that has sealed their country a rare away series victory over Sth Africa. Perhaps there is a not as big a gap between us and the Saffers as the rankings suggest. Remember we hammered the same young Lanka team.
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+xHuge congrats to the pair of young Lankan batsmen Mendis and Fernando on their under pressure partnership that has sealed their country a rare away series victory over Sth Africa. Perhaps there is a not as big a gap between us and the Saffers as the rankings suggest. Remember we hammered the same young Lanka team. What a win for SL! Fair play to them beating SA 2-0.
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Thanks to SL beating SA, NZ is now #2 on the test rankins. Lol.
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New Zealand have gone with Tastle as the test spinner at home. I approve of this. He's a leggie with control and some batting at 8. Sommerville would be my number 2. He is accurate but lacks batting, and bowls quite flat for unresponsive test wickets. Then Santer 3 (not enough wickets) and Ajaz 4 (not enough wickets nor batting). Sodhi at 5 (needs to learn to land a leg break 5/6 in an over).
In the future I suspect with Rachin plays as an opening batsman for NZ, NZ will discard having a frontline spinner altogether, and just play 4 genuine quicks, with a batting option at 8 in the form of someone like Kuggeliejn.
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Wow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt... If one looks at the bigger picture this is not good news for the global game either that a player who has just broken into the top 20 on the ICC Test match bowling rankings for the first time should opt effectively to bring down the curtain on his international career in favour of playing only in domestic leagues." It's scary to think what depth SA would have right now, without 14 players in England, the same in NZL plus the likes of ABDV and Ingram plus many more on the global t20 circuit. How do they produce so many brilliant cricketers?
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Duane Olivier is not a cricketer at heart he is a traitorous money sucking grub.
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+xDuane Olivier is not a cricketer at heart he is a traitorous money sucking grub. Lol. Cricket is not his hobby, its his livelihood. Good on him for making some dosh. He doesn't want to retire into living week to week - which he may well still do so. County cricket pays less than Aussie domestic, so I don't think he is quite driving a Lamborghini or a Ferrari like an intl Australian cricketer just yet. The real issue is what is the Big 3 going to do about keeping SA, NZ, WI, PAK, SL and Bang in test cricket? Because if the value these teams bring to the Indian, Australian and English cricket markets is not more fairly valued and compensated for in the future, there will not be a supply of these countries playing test cricket anymore. If even ODI and t20i cricket. Who is really being greedy here, AbDV, MMorkel, K Abbott, or CA, BCCI and EWCB? Because this is the problem: domestic cricketers in Eng, Ind and Aus earn more than intl cricketers elsewhere. That is the cause, the very root of the issue. Domestic cricket is outpaying intls... how is this possible? There is clearly not enough intl cricket for countries like Pak, NZ and SA, and it's intl cricketers are not paid enough. I think its more the Big 3's greed. Now I get their argument (our hosting, our markets), but I think its high time that billateral series were more equitably split between the teams. The big 3 make a fortune out of paying SA, NZ, WI, Pak, SL and Bang, and pay next to nothing for that privilege. Take the intl stars out of the IPL - what do you have? Just another domestic comp, not even as exciting as the NatWestBlast. The IPL doesn't make Gayles, Russells, Williamsons, McCullums, Tahirs, Fafs, de Kocks, Mustafizurs, Shakibs, Sangakarras...but there is nothing going back to the Boards that did help make them to make more of them. Unfortunately - I just don't see EWCB, BCCI or CA prepared to share. They like the situation of have's and have nots, and this will continue until they kill the goose with the golden egg. And then we just have 3 tri seasons of franchise cricket. :-) People want to think Smith or Kohli are patriotic, and ignore that they earns millions and millions, then millions and millions more playing for Australia and India. And then call Olivier a cash hungry grub for wanting to earn a secure 200k or so for 3 years. When the intl pay gap is so vast, between Indian, Australian and English millionaires to the rest of the world, that even Indian, Australian and English domestic players earn more than foreign intl stars, the game has a huge problem if it wants to remain global, and not a tri-parte sport. It's all about perception, if you look at the money made by all the top 10 teams combined, and divide it equally, all cricketers everywhere do very very nicely. BCCI India may not be building a new stadium every week, though. But if its where the money is generated, and EWCB, CA and BCCI do not wish to share, the game ultimately collapses into a 3 team setup with some cheeky minnows.
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+x+xDuane Olivier is not a cricketer at heart he is a traitorous money sucking grub. Lol. Cricket is not his hobby, its his livelihood. Good on him for making some dosh. He doesn't want to retire into living week to week - which he may well still do so. County cricket pays less than Aussie domestic, so I don't think he is quite driving a Lamborghini or a Ferrari like an intl Australian cricketer just yet. The real issue is what is the Big 3 going to do about keeping SA, NZ, WI, PAK, SL and Bang in test cricket? Because if the value these teams bring to the Indian, Australian and English cricket markets is not more fairly valued and compensated for in the future, there will not be a supply of these countries playing test cricket anymore. If even ODI and t20i cricket. Who is really being greedy here, AbDV, MMorkel, K Abbott, or CA, BCCI and EWCB? Because this is the problem: domestic cricketers in Eng, Ind and Aus earn more than intl cricketers elsewhere. That is the cause, the very root of the issue. Domestic cricket is outpaying intls... how is this possible? There is clearly not enough intl cricket for countries like Pak, NZ and SA, and it's intl cricketers are not paid enough. I think its more the Big 3's greed. Now I get their argument (our hosting, our markets), but I think its high time that billateral series were more equitably split between the teams. The big 3 make a fortune out of paying SA, NZ, WI, Pak, SL and Bang, and pay next to nothing for that privilege. Take the intl stars out of the IPL - what do you have? Just another domestic comp, not even as exciting as the NatWestBlast. The IPL doesn't make Gayles, Russells, Williamsons, McCullums, Tahirs, Fafs, de Kocks, Mustafizurs, Shakibs, Sangakarras...but there is nothing going back to the Boards that did help make them to make more of them. Unfortunately - I just don't see EWCB, BCCI or CA prepared to share. They like the situation of have's and have nots, and this will continue until they kill the goose with the golden egg. And then we just have 3 tri seasons of franchise cricket. :-) People want to think Smith or Kohli are patriotic, and ignore that they earns millions and millions, then millions and millions more playing for Australia and India. And then call Olivier a cash hungry grub for wanting to earn a secure 200k or so for 3 years. When the intl pay gap is so vast, between Indian, Australian and English millionaires to the rest of the world, that even Indian, Australian and English domestic players earn more than foreign intl stars, the game has a huge problem if it wants to remain global, and not a tri-parte sport. It's all about perception, if you look at the money made by all the top 10 teams combined, and divide it equally, all cricketers everywhere do very very nicely. BCCI India may not be building a new stadium every week, though. But if its where the money is generated, and EWCB, CA and BCCI do not wish to share, the game ultimately collapses into a 3 team setup with some cheeky minnows. None of that changes the fact that Duane Olivier has betrayed his national team because of his greed. 200k for 3 years is a lot of money, only greedy people need that much.
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+x+x+xDuane Olivier is not a cricketer at heart he is a traitorous money sucking grub. Lol. Cricket is not his hobby, its his livelihood. Good on him for making some dosh. He doesn't want to retire into living week to week - which he may well still do so. County cricket pays less than Aussie domestic, so I don't think he is quite driving a Lamborghini or a Ferrari like an intl Australian cricketer just yet. The real issue is what is the Big 3 going to do about keeping SA, NZ, WI, PAK, SL and Bang in test cricket? Because if the value these teams bring to the Indian, Australian and English cricket markets is not more fairly valued and compensated for in the future, there will not be a supply of these countries playing test cricket anymore. If even ODI and t20i cricket. Who is really being greedy here, AbDV, MMorkel, K Abbott, or CA, BCCI and EWCB? Because this is the problem: domestic cricketers in Eng, Ind and Aus earn more than intl cricketers elsewhere. That is the cause, the very root of the issue. Domestic cricket is outpaying intls... how is this possible? There is clearly not enough intl cricket for countries like Pak, NZ and SA, and it's intl cricketers are not paid enough. I think its more the Big 3's greed. Now I get their argument (our hosting, our markets), but I think its high time that billateral series were more equitably split between the teams. The big 3 make a fortune out of paying SA, NZ, WI, Pak, SL and Bang, and pay next to nothing for that privilege. Take the intl stars out of the IPL - what do you have? Just another domestic comp, not even as exciting as the NatWestBlast. The IPL doesn't make Gayles, Russells, Williamsons, McCullums, Tahirs, Fafs, de Kocks, Mustafizurs, Shakibs, Sangakarras...but there is nothing going back to the Boards that did help make them to make more of them. Unfortunately - I just don't see EWCB, BCCI or CA prepared to share. They like the situation of have's and have nots, and this will continue until they kill the goose with the golden egg. And then we just have 3 tri seasons of franchise cricket. :-) People want to think Smith or Kohli are patriotic, and ignore that they earns millions and millions, then millions and millions more playing for Australia and India. And then call Olivier a cash hungry grub for wanting to earn a secure 200k or so for 3 years. When the intl pay gap is so vast, between Indian, Australian and English millionaires to the rest of the world, that even Indian, Australian and English domestic players earn more than foreign intl stars, the game has a huge problem if it wants to remain global, and not a tri-parte sport. It's all about perception, if you look at the money made by all the top 10 teams combined, and divide it equally, all cricketers everywhere do very very nicely. BCCI India may not be building a new stadium every week, though. But if its where the money is generated, and EWCB, CA and BCCI do not wish to share, the game ultimately collapses into a 3 team setup with some cheeky minnows. None of that changes the fact that Duane Olivier has betrayed his national team because of his greed. 200k for 3 years is a lot of money, only greedy people need that much. So does everyone who migrates for better work opportunities betray their country? You're an Australian, if you're not aboriginal, how did you come to be in Australia, the convicts were allowed to return... did they betray England (or wherever they're from) by staying in Australia? I mean presumably someone in your past moved to Australia for better opportunities. Olivier didn't betray his country, he didn't commit treason or sedition. He took a job overseas. The same job he had in SA. Playing cricket. Except this is more secure and better paid. Your socialistic arguments are starting to entertain me, komrad. I'm glad a good Aussie like you would never leave to earn 200k or 500k or millions elsewhere. You wouldn't betray your country like that for financial opportunity. I trust you loathe every Australian first class cricketer, they're all earning much more than that. And your intl players earning millions, wow, they almost give reason to fuel a revolution don't they? 600k won't even buy him a home in England. LOL @ Greedy...
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+x+x+x+xDuane Olivier is not a cricketer at heart he is a traitorous money sucking grub. Lol. Cricket is not his hobby, its his livelihood. Good on him for making some dosh. He doesn't want to retire into living week to week - which he may well still do so. County cricket pays less than Aussie domestic, so I don't think he is quite driving a Lamborghini or a Ferrari like an intl Australian cricketer just yet. The real issue is what is the Big 3 going to do about keeping SA, NZ, WI, PAK, SL and Bang in test cricket? Because if the value these teams bring to the Indian, Australian and English cricket markets is not more fairly valued and compensated for in the future, there will not be a supply of these countries playing test cricket anymore. If even ODI and t20i cricket. Who is really being greedy here, AbDV, MMorkel, K Abbott, or CA, BCCI and EWCB? Because this is the problem: domestic cricketers in Eng, Ind and Aus earn more than intl cricketers elsewhere. That is the cause, the very root of the issue. Domestic cricket is outpaying intls... how is this possible? There is clearly not enough intl cricket for countries like Pak, NZ and SA, and it's intl cricketers are not paid enough. I think its more the Big 3's greed. Now I get their argument (our hosting, our markets), but I think its high time that billateral series were more equitably split between the teams. The big 3 make a fortune out of paying SA, NZ, WI, Pak, SL and Bang, and pay next to nothing for that privilege. Take the intl stars out of the IPL - what do you have? Just another domestic comp, not even as exciting as the NatWestBlast. The IPL doesn't make Gayles, Russells, Williamsons, McCullums, Tahirs, Fafs, de Kocks, Mustafizurs, Shakibs, Sangakarras...but there is nothing going back to the Boards that did help make them to make more of them. Unfortunately - I just don't see EWCB, BCCI or CA prepared to share. They like the situation of have's and have nots, and this will continue until they kill the goose with the golden egg. And then we just have 3 tri seasons of franchise cricket. :-) People want to think Smith or Kohli are patriotic, and ignore that they earns millions and millions, then millions and millions more playing for Australia and India. And then call Olivier a cash hungry grub for wanting to earn a secure 200k or so for 3 years. When the intl pay gap is so vast, between Indian, Australian and English millionaires to the rest of the world, that even Indian, Australian and English domestic players earn more than foreign intl stars, the game has a huge problem if it wants to remain global, and not a tri-parte sport. It's all about perception, if you look at the money made by all the top 10 teams combined, and divide it equally, all cricketers everywhere do very very nicely. BCCI India may not be building a new stadium every week, though. But if its where the money is generated, and EWCB, CA and BCCI do not wish to share, the game ultimately collapses into a 3 team setup with some cheeky minnows. None of that changes the fact that Duane Olivier has betrayed his national team because of his greed. 200k for 3 years is a lot of money, only greedy people need that much. So does everyone who migrates for better work opportunities betray their country? You're an Australian, if you're not aboriginal, how did you come to be in Australia, the convicts were allowed to return... did they betray England (or wherever they're from) by staying in Australia? I mean presumably someone in your past moved to Australia for better opportunities. Olivier didn't betray his country, he didn't commit treason or sedition. He took a job overseas. The same job he had in SA. Playing cricket. Except this is more secure and better paid. Your socialistic arguments are starting to entertain me, komrad. I'm glad a good Aussie like you would never leave to earn 200k or 500k or millions elsewhere. You wouldn't betray your country like that for financial opportunity. I trust you loathe every Australian first class cricketer, they're all earning much more than that. And your intl players earning millions, wow, they almost give reason to fuel a revolution don't they? 600k won't even buy him a home in England. LOL @ Greedy... You really do not have a clue about right or wrong. Of course I would not move overseas to make millions, I can live on what I earn, why should I want more?
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+x+x+x+x+xDuane Olivier is not a cricketer at heart he is a traitorous money sucking grub. Lol. Cricket is not his hobby, its his livelihood. Good on him for making some dosh. He doesn't want to retire into living week to week - which he may well still do so. County cricket pays less than Aussie domestic, so I don't think he is quite driving a Lamborghini or a Ferrari like an intl Australian cricketer just yet. The real issue is what is the Big 3 going to do about keeping SA, NZ, WI, PAK, SL and Bang in test cricket? Because if the value these teams bring to the Indian, Australian and English cricket markets is not more fairly valued and compensated for in the future, there will not be a supply of these countries playing test cricket anymore. If even ODI and t20i cricket. Who is really being greedy here, AbDV, MMorkel, K Abbott, or CA, BCCI and EWCB? Because this is the problem: domestic cricketers in Eng, Ind and Aus earn more than intl cricketers elsewhere. That is the cause, the very root of the issue. Domestic cricket is outpaying intls... how is this possible? There is clearly not enough intl cricket for countries like Pak, NZ and SA, and it's intl cricketers are not paid enough. I think its more the Big 3's greed. Now I get their argument (our hosting, our markets), but I think its high time that billateral series were more equitably split between the teams. The big 3 make a fortune out of paying SA, NZ, WI, Pak, SL and Bang, and pay next to nothing for that privilege. Take the intl stars out of the IPL - what do you have? Just another domestic comp, not even as exciting as the NatWestBlast. The IPL doesn't make Gayles, Russells, Williamsons, McCullums, Tahirs, Fafs, de Kocks, Mustafizurs, Shakibs, Sangakarras...but there is nothing going back to the Boards that did help make them to make more of them. Unfortunately - I just don't see EWCB, BCCI or CA prepared to share. They like the situation of have's and have nots, and this will continue until they kill the goose with the golden egg. And then we just have 3 tri seasons of franchise cricket. :-) People want to think Smith or Kohli are patriotic, and ignore that they earns millions and millions, then millions and millions more playing for Australia and India. And then call Olivier a cash hungry grub for wanting to earn a secure 200k or so for 3 years. When the intl pay gap is so vast, between Indian, Australian and English millionaires to the rest of the world, that even Indian, Australian and English domestic players earn more than foreign intl stars, the game has a huge problem if it wants to remain global, and not a tri-parte sport. It's all about perception, if you look at the money made by all the top 10 teams combined, and divide it equally, all cricketers everywhere do very very nicely. BCCI India may not be building a new stadium every week, though. But if its where the money is generated, and EWCB, CA and BCCI do not wish to share, the game ultimately collapses into a 3 team setup with some cheeky minnows. None of that changes the fact that Duane Olivier has betrayed his national team because of his greed. 200k for 3 years is a lot of money, only greedy people need that much. So does everyone who migrates for better work opportunities betray their country? You're an Australian, if you're not aboriginal, how did you come to be in Australia, the convicts were allowed to return... did they betray England (or wherever they're from) by staying in Australia? I mean presumably someone in your past moved to Australia for better opportunities. Olivier didn't betray his country, he didn't commit treason or sedition. He took a job overseas. The same job he had in SA. Playing cricket. Except this is more secure and better paid. Your socialistic arguments are starting to entertain me, komrad. I'm glad a good Aussie like you would never leave to earn 200k or 500k or millions elsewhere. You wouldn't betray your country like that for financial opportunity. I trust you loathe every Australian first class cricketer, they're all earning much more than that. And your intl players earning millions, wow, they almost give reason to fuel a revolution don't they? 600k won't even buy him a home in England. LOL @ Greedy... You really do not have a clue about right or wrong. Of course I would not move overseas to make millions, I can live on what I earn, why should I want more? oh so you know about the cost of living in SA now - right...
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Actually the bad thing is I have too much, I should have less, but I am weak, I fail.
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+xActually the bad thing is I have too much, I should have less, but I am weak, I fail. you money grubbing country treacherous pro cricket fan... selling out your country to watch better cricket...you traitorous money gabbing grub...
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+x+xActually the bad thing is I have too much, I should have less, but I am weak, I fail. you money grubbing country treacherous pro cricket fan... selling out your country to watch better cricket...you traitorous money gabbing grub... Look I am a piece of shit, worthless and pointless, there is nothing good about me. Your words are not going to hurt me, they are not true because they are not harsh enough. However you are advocating things which are wrong. Duane Olivier with his decision is embodying things which are wrong.
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+x+x+xActually the bad thing is I have too much, I should have less, but I am weak, I fail. you money grubbing country treacherous pro cricket fan... selling out your country to watch better cricket...you traitorous money gabbing grub... Look I am a piece of shit, worthless and pointless, there is nothing good about me. Your words are not going to hurt me, they are not true because they are not harsh enough. However you are advocating things which are wrong. Duane Olivier with his decision is embodying things which are wrong. Nothing wrong with what Olivier has done. But I do have questions for the systems of CA, BCCI and EWCB that have made this situation occur so frequently. Either the Big 3 start sharing their riches generated by intl cricket, or the quality of intl cricket suffers.
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Wow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation?
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+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day...
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+x+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day... Abdul Qadir's son Usman Qadir, also a spinner from Pakistan, has played for WA in this seasons Sheffield Shield. Maybe he is now living in Perth but he seems to be an import of sorts.
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+x+x+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day... Abdul Qadir's son Usman Qadir, also a spinner from Pakistan, has played for WA in this seasons Sheffield Shield. Maybe he is now living in Perth but he seems to be an import of sorts. Yeah - him and Fawed Ahmed moved to Australia to live I believe. But I am really not sure on the Aussie rules right now for those who are not moving there. https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/31/should-sheffield-shield-teams-field-foreign-players/Botha caused a stir 4 years ago. To me it seems that Australian states are not interested in anyone who still plays intl cricket for someone other than Australia. They actually want the person playing for them, and not simply getting called up by an intl team. Plus I think for the most part, the states just aren't interested in recruiting them. Sangakarra and Chanderpaul would have been obvious targets when they were retrired from intl cricket, they continued in county for years making huge runs, but they didn't pop up in Sheffield Shield. In the old days you had Botham, Khan, Viv and many game's greats play Shield...
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+x+x+x+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day... Abdul Qadir's son Usman Qadir, also a spinner from Pakistan, has played for WA in this seasons Sheffield Shield. Maybe he is now living in Perth but he seems to be an import of sorts. Yeah - him and Fawed Ahmed moved to Australia to live I believe. But I am really not sure on the Aussie rules right now for those who are not moving there. https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/31/should-sheffield-shield-teams-field-foreign-players/Botha caused a stir 4 years ago. To me it seems that Australian states are not interested in anyone who still plays intl cricket for someone other than Australia. They actually want the person playing for them, and not simply getting called up by an intl team. Plus I think for the most part, the states just aren't interested in recruiting them. Sangakarra and Chanderpaul would have been obvious targets when they were retrired from intl cricket, they continued in county for years making huge runs, but they didn't pop up in Sheffield Shield. In the old days you had Botham, Khan, Viv and many game's greats play Shield... Ahmed has been an Oz citizen for five or so years. Botha is now one while I understand Qadir is about to become one.
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+x+x+x+x+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day... Abdul Qadir's son Usman Qadir, also a spinner from Pakistan, has played for WA in this seasons Sheffield Shield. Maybe he is now living in Perth but he seems to be an import of sorts. Yeah - him and Fawed Ahmed moved to Australia to live I believe. But I am really not sure on the Aussie rules right now for those who are not moving there. https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/31/should-sheffield-shield-teams-field-foreign-players/Botha caused a stir 4 years ago. To me it seems that Australian states are not interested in anyone who still plays intl cricket for someone other than Australia. They actually want the person playing for them, and not simply getting called up by an intl team. Plus I think for the most part, the states just aren't interested in recruiting them. Sangakarra and Chanderpaul would have been obvious targets when they were retrired from intl cricket, they continued in county for years making huge runs, but they didn't pop up in Sheffield Shield. In the old days you had Botham, Khan, Viv and many game's greats play Shield... Ahmed has been an Oz citizen for five or so years. Botha is now one while I understand Qadir is about to become one. Makes sense. So there are no foreign imports then, just those who have moved to Aus?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day... Abdul Qadir's son Usman Qadir, also a spinner from Pakistan, has played for WA in this seasons Sheffield Shield. Maybe he is now living in Perth but he seems to be an import of sorts. Yeah - him and Fawed Ahmed moved to Australia to live I believe. But I am really not sure on the Aussie rules right now for those who are not moving there. https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/31/should-sheffield-shield-teams-field-foreign-players/Botha caused a stir 4 years ago. To me it seems that Australian states are not interested in anyone who still plays intl cricket for someone other than Australia. They actually want the person playing for them, and not simply getting called up by an intl team. Plus I think for the most part, the states just aren't interested in recruiting them. Sangakarra and Chanderpaul would have been obvious targets when they were retrired from intl cricket, they continued in county for years making huge runs, but they didn't pop up in Sheffield Shield. In the old days you had Botham, Khan, Viv and many game's greats play Shield... Ahmed has been an Oz citizen for five or so years. Botha is now one while I understand Qadir is about to become one. Makes sense. So there are no foreign imports then, just those who have moved to Aus? I will continue on this tack re players leaving Sth Africa. Recently retired Saffer quick Morne Morkel fears for the situation.. saying this week that "others will join Duane Olivier, Rilee Rossouw and Kyle Abbott in choosing the security of a long-term deal in English county cricket instead of the chance to play internationally with the Proteas. Morkel has called on Cricket South Africa (CSA) to take action to prevent the drain of talented players away from his homeland. The 86-Test veteran acknowledges the "tricky" and complex situation, but he says the CSA must be " more proactive to keep the nation's best players in Proteas colours." They (CSA) have to sit down and come up with plans because they're going to lose a lot of players in the near future and they need to protect against this player drain". There is no mention by Morkel of the player quota system? Also notice the player drain does not include any African Saffers.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day... Abdul Qadir's son Usman Qadir, also a spinner from Pakistan, has played for WA in this seasons Sheffield Shield. Maybe he is now living in Perth but he seems to be an import of sorts. Yeah - him and Fawed Ahmed moved to Australia to live I believe. But I am really not sure on the Aussie rules right now for those who are not moving there. https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/31/should-sheffield-shield-teams-field-foreign-players/Botha caused a stir 4 years ago. To me it seems that Australian states are not interested in anyone who still plays intl cricket for someone other than Australia. They actually want the person playing for them, and not simply getting called up by an intl team. Plus I think for the most part, the states just aren't interested in recruiting them. Sangakarra and Chanderpaul would have been obvious targets when they were retrired from intl cricket, they continued in county for years making huge runs, but they didn't pop up in Sheffield Shield. In the old days you had Botham, Khan, Viv and many game's greats play Shield... Ahmed has been an Oz citizen for five or so years. Botha is now one while I understand Qadir is about to become one. Makes sense. So there are no foreign imports then, just those who have moved to Aus? As far as I am aware. Did I mention Morkel, who is married to an Aussie and now lives here, is looking at a stint in Shield cricket. He has mooted becoming a citizen too. Pity this was not Olivier.. as I really rate him. Now looks as tho the Poms will get their claws into him in three years when he becomes eligible for England.. or is it four years? Used to be seven. I have a problem with the ECB reducing the eligibility laws to allow a foreigner an easier passage into the England team. It is not sending a very good message to the aspiring home grown youngster. In fact if I was the parent of a talented junior I would be seething.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWow. Just wow. Duanne Olivier has quit intl cricket at 26 to sign a Kolpak deal. https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/106871/south-africa-duanne-olivier-quits-international-cricket-yorkshire-kolpak-deal 10 tests, 48 wickets at 19 and the next big thing to replace Dale Steyn, and rather preferred to go off an join MMorkel, Abbott and Roussow in County Cricket... I wonder if he will ever turn up in an England shirt...
Just read this and am I am thinking another fine Test class bowler lost to the game. You can throw up all the cricticism for his actions you like.. but as I see it .. the quota system in SA forced him out. The same as it forced out Abbott and others. This is an unforgivable situation that SA cricket has gotten itself into. Within 10 years.. perhaps sooner.. 5.. the Saffer team will be made up soley of Cape Coloureds and pure African players. So where do the white Saffers go? How do they retain any incentive to pursue cricket when their masters are clearly closing the door on them? Without anything to aspire to these white kids will choose other sports. There are two constants here.. re the "defectors" one is their love of the game and their need to make a living from it. If their own country is not supplying that then they have no other choice but to go elsewhere. btw just what does domestic cricket in SA pay.. any idea? Obviously it is not sufficient to keep them in their own country. My only question is why are they all heading to England.. when our domestic cricketers are payed more? We could use an influx of world class cricketers to boost the standard of our domestic competition. A bloke like Duane Olivier would be a great asset to any of our state teams. Is there a limit on overseas imports here. What is the situation? Nothing to do with quotas. Olivier was offered a 2 year deal by SAC to stay. Abbott was begged to stay as well. Quotas makes the young guys leave to play intl cricket elsewhere - like Pieterson and Wagner... not the established stars like AbDV and MMorkel... They're leaving for money and financial security. Further, by not playing in SA, they may play in CPL, BBL, BPL and PSL as well as county, and England and county players are allowed in the IPL now too. There's just not much money in RSA intl cricket. Don't think Aus FC allows imports anymore. You used to. Andy Flower and Imran Khan jump to mind. Think they can only play grade cricket and BBL now. I could be wrong. NZC needs to approve it for NZ, we used to get the likes of Hick and Mallender here, but that has all stopped in recent times and now NZC must approve any import. But we have tonnes of those squeezed out by the quota, and 2 on a timer countdown may play per team in any game. They just need to sign a letter of intent to play for NZ - then the countdown timer begins. Devon Conway will be int he Black Caps in about 1.5 years, Foxcroft and Nodal qualify in nearly 3 years... Money in NZ domestic is not well paid, but, they back themselves to be intl cricketers one day... Abdul Qadir's son Usman Qadir, also a spinner from Pakistan, has played for WA in this seasons Sheffield Shield. Maybe he is now living in Perth but he seems to be an import of sorts. Yeah - him and Fawed Ahmed moved to Australia to live I believe. But I am really not sure on the Aussie rules right now for those who are not moving there. https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/01/31/should-sheffield-shield-teams-field-foreign-players/Botha caused a stir 4 years ago. To me it seems that Australian states are not interested in anyone who still plays intl cricket for someone other than Australia. They actually want the person playing for them, and not simply getting called up by an intl team. Plus I think for the most part, the states just aren't interested in recruiting them. Sangakarra and Chanderpaul would have been obvious targets when they were retrired from intl cricket, they continued in county for years making huge runs, but they didn't pop up in Sheffield Shield. In the old days you had Botham, Khan, Viv and many game's greats play Shield... Ahmed has been an Oz citizen for five or so years. Botha is now one while I understand Qadir is about to become one. Makes sense. So there are no foreign imports then, just those who have moved to Aus? I will continue on this tack re players leaving Sth Africa. Recently retired Saffer quick Morne Morkel fears for the situation.. saying this week that "others will join Duane Olivier, Rilee Rossouw and Kyle Abbott in choosing the security of a long-term deal in English county cricket instead of the chance to play internationally with the Proteas. Morkel has called on Cricket South Africa (CSA) to take action to prevent the drain of talented players away from his homeland. The 86-Test veteran acknowledges the "tricky" and complex situation, but he says the CSA must be " more proactive to keep the nation's best players in Proteas colours." They (CSA) have to sit down and come up with plans because they're going to lose a lot of players in the near future and they need to protect against this player drain". There is no mention by Morkel of the player quota system? Also notice the player drain does not include any African Saffers. Its not the quotas that make established intl stars leave. They've already made it to the top despite the quotas. For AbDV, MMorkel, Olivier, it's about money and financial security. There is also the appeal of leaving SA for more political reasons. The problem is not limited to SA, Stokes chose England over NZ due to the financial security provided - the county system signed him young and he stayed in England. Archa chose Eng over WI due to money. The money imbalance in world cricket is a real issue that needs to be addressed and considered more carefully. Right now, people are sweeping it under the rug and not wanting to deal with it, but as the becomes more global, as migration becomes more of a thing, this issue will continue to develop. The quota problem is another burden for SA as they are losing a lot of their talented youth to NZ, Aus and Eng. The NZ first class scene is full of talented Saffir players. As has the England system been previously. This is for more guaranteed opportunities, but a lot of people simply wish to leave Safrica as well. If I was the parent of a talented cricketer, I have to admit, my advice to him would be to move to England. There is far more money there, far more teams there, and the chance to build a legitimate career just in the FC scene. 18 counties, paying handsome wages, makes it very appealing for many. But those that did not make it into England and come to NZ are doing very well. Devon Conway dominates the FC scene here, and superkid Dean Foxcroft seems well on his way for a bright career.
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Maxwell is smashing em in T20. I have him in my T20 WC next year but please dont confuse limited overs runs with red ball cricket. Maxie needs red ball runs. He cant get them because he has painted himself into a hole with his reputation as being a white ball master. He has to get red ball runs on either the A tour or in county cricket prior to the squad being chosen to have any chance of an Ashes spot.
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Cricket South Africa has a strict quota system at domestic level where all franchise teams are required to field at least six players of colour in their starting XIs, with three players required to be black Africans. The national team, the Proteas, have targets they must adhere to. The target is to field an average of six players of colour in starting XIs over the course of a season, while two of those must be black African.
My point was that white kids will not take up cricket if they see a dwindling chance to play either domestic or even less.. Test level cricket. I read that Abbott had been forced out by the quota system. Assumed then that Olivier had too.
Kevin Pietersen is the most hi profile of all Sth African born cricketers to have claimed he was disadvantaged by the player quota system. So much so he left the country and settled and played his cricket in England. There have been plenty since and the numbers will only grow and grow.
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+xCricket South Africa has a strict quota system at domestic level where all franchise teams are required to field at least six players of colour in their starting XIs, with three players required to be black Africans.The national team, the Proteas, have targets they must adhere to. The target is to field an average of six players of colour in starting XIs over the course of a season, while two of those must be black African. My point was that white kids will not take up cricket if they see a dwindling chance to play either domestic or even less.. Test level cricket. I read that Abbott had been forced out by the quota system. Assumed then that Olivier had too. LOL! - What are you reading? Abbott destroyed Aus in Aus before quitting. There was no quota involved there. Abbott was good enough as a white player with or without quota. Just like Rabada, Philander, Amla and Ngidi are good enough without a black quota... The national team has targets, but what you posted is not right for the national team... its percentages averaged out... to 80% of matches overall iirc... and they reg fall below it... Abbott took money. So did Olivier... If you want to defend EWCB, CA and BCCI greed, SA quotas is not the best defence... cos NZ, WI, and more countries would like our players back... WI want Archer, NZ want Stokes... shall I continue??? The truth is - as awkward as this is - that EWCB, CA and BCCI make a forune from intl cricket, while nowhere else does. So... the question is... do you want intl cricket... or franchise cricket... because as a Kiwi - I'm totally over it. I don't care anymore. Same with Safricans. Same with West Indians. Same with Pakistanis. India, England and Aus - you have the money, we don't - WHAT DO YOU WANT? Do you want to pay for intl cricket or not? Cos you're the ones making all the money from intl cricket... if you wan play us, pay us. Or don't play us. We'd rather play each other if we're playing for free regardless. Aus, Eng and Ind fans want to pretend cricket is a gloabl sport. It's not. It's 3 nations.... until you share... The fact England and Aus suck in a 3 nation sport - is just lolburgers and makes us laugh.... Our test players drive a Prius while your FC cricketers drive bmw's...
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New Zealand crushed a weakened Banglasdesh team but they managed 429 in their second innings on the back of large hundreds by Soumya Sarkar and Mahmudallah. Opener Tamin Iqbal managed 126 and 74 in the match. Bangladesh are not a great team but they do have some players who can play. It would be good to see their full strength side here in Australia.
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+xNew Zealand crushed a weakened Banglasdesh team but they managed 429 in their second innings on the back of large hundreds by Soumya Sarkar and Mahmudallah. Opener Tamin Iqbal managed 126 and 74 in the match. Bangladesh are not a great team but they do have some players who can play. It would be good to see their full strength side here in Australia. Those 3 had a good game, and they are missing Shakib obviously, but they went down very softly to Wagner in the first innings. Tamim had a game plan of smashing the NZ swingers through the covers, just drove at everything outside off. He was a joy to watch. It was fine counter attacking stuff. But their bowling is dire and not good viewing I'm afraid to say. If NZ had not declared, a total of 900 was seriously on the cards. They had absolutely no answer to CdG - none for KW, and Nicholls will think he squandered a century to go begging there. With the World Test Championship starting this year, you will get teams like Bangladesh visit more often in future as you will want the points to make the final. If Bangladesh could just sort out their seam bowling stocks, they'd actually be a useful team. They have some scoring talent, Tamim is fine, Mahmudullah reguarly scores big now and Shakib is a legend of course. Mushfiqur is very talented as well, but Mominul seems to only dominate on slower pitches so far. He averages 57 at home on some total dustbowls, and 27 away... But yeah - they definitely have more batting talent than they used to... But I don't see them winning in tests in Australia - unless someone leaves a lot of grass on Hobart pitch and the match becomes a knock out contest.
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+x+xNew Zealand crushed a weakened Banglasdesh team but they managed 429 in their second innings on the back of large hundreds by Soumya Sarkar and Mahmudallah. Opener Tamin Iqbal managed 126 and 74 in the match. Bangladesh are not a great team but they do have some players who can play. It would be good to see their full strength side here in Australia. Those 3 had a good game, and they are missing Shakib obviously, but they went down very softly to Wagner in the first innings. Tamim had a game plan of smashing the NZ swingers through the covers, just drove at everything outside off. He was a joy to watch. It was fine counter attacking stuff. But their bowling is dire and not good viewing I'm afraid to say. If NZ had not declared, a total of 900 was seriously on the cards. They had absolutely no answer to CdG - none for KW, and Nicholls will think he squandered a century to go begging there. With the World Test Championship starting this year, you will get teams like Bangladesh visit more often in future as you will want the points to make the final. If Bangladesh could just sort out their seam bowling stocks, they'd actually be a useful team. They have some scoring talent, Tamim is fine, Mahmudullah reguarly scores big now and Shakib is a legend of course. Mushfiqur is very talented as well, but Mominul seems to only dominate on slower pitches so far. He averages 57 at home on some total dustbowls, and 27 away... But yeah - they definitely have more batting talent than they used to... But I don't see them winning in tests in Australia - unless someone leaves a lot of grass on Hobart pitch and the match becomes a knock out contest. Yeah they definitely need to find some pace bowlers.
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The quota problem is another burden for SA as they are losing a lot of their talented youth to NZ, Aus and Eng. The NZ first class scene is full of talented Saffir players. As has the England system been previously. This is for more guaranteed opportunities, but a lot of people simply wish to leave Safrica as well.
So you do agree with me after all. Who are Saffers forced out by the quota system that now play in NZ.. Is Wagner one? What about OZ. I know of no recent Saffer rejects that have made here their home. Only two that come to mind Neser and Labuchagne came as young teens.
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+xThe quota problem is another burden for SA as they are losing a lot of their talented youth to NZ, Aus and Eng. The NZ first class scene is full of talented Saffir players. As has the England system been previously. This is for more guaranteed opportunities, but a lot of people simply wish to leave Safrica as well. So you do agree with me after all. Who are Saffers forced out by the quota system that now play in NZ.. Is Wagner one? What about OZ. I know of no recent Saffer rejects that have made here their home. Only two that come to mind Neser and Labuchagne came as young teens. No I don't agree. There's three types of intl cricketer not playing cricket in SA. 1 is the child migrant - who move cos their parents move for political and economic reasons. Labuchange you idenitfy. For NZ there is Watling and Munro. They have no stand down. They're free to play when ready. 2 Are the Quota players. For NZ this is Wagner. It included Grant Elliott as well. But we have so many more in the system. Devon Conway leads this list: http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/379140.htmlThis kid looks really promising... http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/596099.htmlThey typically move between 19 and early to mid 20's and do the 4 year stand down. Conway is seriously talented, and in red hot form but he has 1.5 years left to go. 3 Are the established stars, who leave for financial secuity. AbDV, MMorkel, Abbott, Olivier - these guys have made it to the top despite quotas, but leave for money in richer domestic cricket elsewhere. NZC is packed with South African born who are either on timers, no longer on timers, or migrated here. They have lifted the standards of NZ domestic cricket a lot. They're moving here from U-19's now. Just like Archer will did to Eng from WI. They make a name for themselves at U-19 - and then look to move here or England. England gets first pick typically, but somehow they slip Conway slip through their fingers... So the question is why and why is the player leaving. Coming to NZ is about leaving the quotas behind and looking for opportunity. Leaving the Proteas national team is about money. Those guys are going to County and T20 leagues, not NZC! NZ has lost M McC (he wants back in) Flemming, DV and BMac early to franchise cricket. And we lost many years of Bond due to ICL... WI - well their struggles with the leagues is well known. But CSA has the same problem developing too... SL lost a lot of Malinga... But he's back as the rich leagues dont want him anymore. They lost a bit of Jayawardene too. Ind, Eng and Aus have lost noone. If we're realistic - had Wagner stayed in SA, he would never have played tests with Steyn, Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, Abbott, MMorkel, Olivier all being better bowlers than him. He would never have gotten past the domestic scene. So I don't think quotas were even that of a factor for him. Grant Elliott, as useful as he was as a batting allrounder, again with Kallis around, Duminy too, he was not going to play for SAfrica. So quotas were less of a thing than opportunity for him also. But these young kids comming to NZ from U-19 - they're literally just avoiding the quotas and getting out as well as the wider politics of SAfrica. They see it as being unfair, and just want to move country. They love moving to NZ, they fit in well. Zimbabweans earn the least, so one could say CdG moved to NZ for money. And with his IPL and Nat deals, he's earning more than he ever would have playing for Zimbabwe, but nothing like he would playing for Aus. But you guys would never likely pick him. http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/55395.htmlIronically - his test stats are pretty damn good now. For me quota migration is less of an issue because they're not lost entirely to intl cricket, just for 4 years -where really only the last year or two are they ready perhaps for intl selection. But the guys who quit for county like MMorkel, Abbott or t20 like AbDV - they're lost to intl cricket at their peaks! I loved watching Morkel bowl in intls, and obviously love AbDV batting - we all do. But I think we want to see it in an intl match once in a while, and not only just some League. It is what it is. SA need AbDV - there's no replacing a guy that good. An ATG - any format. Every format. ATG.
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This is based on my understanding of the rankings which is, the year is reset in 1 May, before the start of the English test year - which is when the cricket year starts. At that time, only the last 2 years results are included. The day before the roll over, there is 3 years worth of cricket being ranked, but on the rollover day - just 2 years. Now this could be wrong, but that's how it used to work. Okay - so we know Eng and SA keep losing where they shouldn't. And Aus did it tough in UAE and vs Pak. But...if NZ beats Bangladesh 3-0 - India has a real problem when the rankings year turns over on 1 May... Right now - this is what is being scored for NZ - but I will strike through what gets chopped out when the ranking year rolls over... [s] New Zealand in Zimbabwe Test Series 2016 New Zealand 2-0 (2) New Zealand in South Africa Test Series 2016 South Africa 1-0 (2) New Zealand in India Test Series 2016/17 India 3-0 (3) Pakistan in New Zealand Test Series 2016/17 New Zealand 2-0 (2) Bangladesh in New Zealand Test Series 2016/17 New Zealand 2-0 (2) South Africa in New Zealand Test Series 2016/17 South Africa 1-0 (3)[/s] West Indies in New Zealand Test Series 2017/18 New Zealand 2-0 (2) England in New Zealand Test Series 2017/18 New Zealand 1-0 (2) Pakistan v New Zealand Test Series (in United Arab Emirates) 2018/19 New Zealand 2-1 (3) Sri Lanka in New Zealand Test Series 2018/19 New Zealand 1-0 (2) Bangladesh in New Zealand Test Series 2018/19 - India [s]India in West Indies Test Series 2016 India 2-0 (4) New Zealand in India Test Series 2016/17 India 3-0 (3) England in India Test Series 2016/17 India 4-0 (5) Bangladesh in India Test Match 2016/17 India 1-0 (1) Border-Gavaskar Trophy (Australia in India) 2016/17 India 2-1 (4)[/s]India in Sri Lanka Test Series 2017 India 3-0 (3) Sri Lanka in India Test Series 2017/18 India 1-0 (3) Freedom Trophy (India in South Africa) 2017/18 South Africa 2-1 (3) Afghanistan in India Test Match 2018 India 1-0 (1) Pataudi Trophy (India in England) 2018 England 4-1 (5) West Indies in India Test Series 2018/19 India 2-0 (2) Border-Gavaskar Trophy (India in Australia) 2018/19 India 2-1 Just look at all the points India loses, 13 test wins gone for only 1 loss. That's a lot of points to drop... That's almost a perfect record over so many tests. 7 losses for India, and 11 wins... NZ lose 6 wins - but we get rid of 5 losses of which 3 were to India :P That series alone flips the gap between first and second. NZ will be 9-1 with 2 draws assuming we Beat Bang 3-0 at home. India will be 11-7 with 1 draw. What odds the ICC change the rankings system this year to keep BCCI #1? They'd have to change the rules because India will drop in a big tank. Okay - apparently what I strike through goes to half points. But NZ drops 2 series losses to Australia out. I still see NZC going to #1 if beating the Banga's 3-0.... Okay - apparently what I strike through goes to half points. But NZ drops 2 series losses to Australia out I would think... I still see NZC going to #1 in May if beating the Banga's 3-0.... http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...ry/874363.htmlSo according to this, in May 2019 - results from May 2017 till then count in full, and what I crossed out above get half weighted from May 16... India still has points, but they're halved for that crossed out part. This is what is removed entirely... India in Bangladesh Test Match 2015 drawn 0-0 (1) India in Sri Lanka Test Series 2015 India 2-1 (3) Freedom Trophy (South Africa in India) 2015/16 India 3-0 (4) and New Zealand in England Test Series 2015 drawn 1-1 (2) Trans-Tasman Trophy [New Zealand in Australia] 2015/16 Australia 2-0 (3) Sri Lanka in New Zealand Test Series 2015/16 New Zealand 2-0 (2) Trans-Tasman Trophy [Australia in New Zealand] 2015/16 Australia 2-0 (2) NZ gets rid of its two series losses to Australia from 2015/16 altogether.... This still favours NZ... I still think this could be happening... If someone actually does that math or spreadsheets it, I would be very interested in the outcome.
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I still see NZC going to #1 in May if beating the Banga's 3-0....
If they do they have done it the easy way by playing all games at home..against mostly inferior opposition. When do they actually play away? With respect Paddles but betting they will not be #1 or #2 after playing India, SAfrica, England away.
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+xI still see NZC going to #1 in May if beating the Banga's 3-0....If they do they have done it the easy way by playing all games at home..against mostly inferior opposition. When do they actually play away? With respect Paddles but betting they will not be #1 or #2 after playing India, SAfrica, England away. Fair point. But I really don't see England beating NZ at all... Boult outswings Anderson every day of the week. And we have Southee and CdG too. We will annihilate England in England. NZC is nothing like Australia, we know how to play swing, and we know how to swing. Aussies don't. This was made blatantly obvious in 2015 when NZ toured England. And NZ rolled England for 65 last year was it? Boult will crush them. This may explain why England is hiding from hosting NZ at the moment. Safrica look ripe for the taking right now. India and Australia away - NZ lose. SL may shake us up too... I'd be pleased to get out of that series with a draw... But NZ and England are better in Asia than SA or Aus. SA batsmen are fools to spin, and lack good spinning support for Maharj. NZ batsmen are okay at spin, and we can put out a better spin attack than people give credit for. I know NZL doesn't play away much - but what can we do? If all that is prepared to come to NZ is SA, Eng, Bang, Pak, SL, WI - then that is all NZ is able to play at home. Aus was last here in 2016 - you're next here in the 4 years after 2023..... If CA fans don't like it, your board can do something about it and make more trips and beat us for the points. NZ is right very similar to the England team in most regards. We lack pace to win in Aus, we do have spin skill to compete in Asia, but our openers are a bit flaky. Unlike England - we're too dumb to use a Duke's ball at home. Aus and SA are looking completely lost in swing, and in spin. Pak and Ind have seamers and spin skills. Pak's batting is fragile but showing promise. In terms of rankings, there's nothing between Eng, SA, Pak, Aus, NZ, SL and soon WI as well. Ind are clearly going the best - but only cos they dominate Asia so and avoid Pak. But Eng hammered India. Australia and South Africa are so bad against spin its laughable. And NZ and Eng bowl too slow for roads. SL and Pak are light on batting, and WI havn't done anything away from home yet at all. It's all blurring into blanket territory. But India has a seam attack now. Which means they can perform better in NZ and be dangerous. Ppl seem to forget with the rankings, it's not just who you beat, it's who you lose to too. SA and Aus lost huge points being humilitated regularly in SL and UAE and Eng. NZ hasn't lost there in over 6 years... So why is that? Could it be that when it comes to spin, NZ is better than Aus and SA? I believe so. Could it be - when it swings, NZ is better than Aus, SA and Eng? I believe so.
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The quota problem is another burden for SA as they are losing a lot of their talented youth to NZ, Aus and Eng.
Make up your mind. On the one hand you say above. Then you say you dont agree with me that the quota system is hurting Saffer cricket. That talented youth of which you speak include Conway and Foxcroft.? I am betting it did. Their parents probably told them if you want an international career look elsewhere as this quota system is clearly disadvantaging white Sth Africans. The poor remuneration is also having an affect if many are abandoning SAfrica for the more lucrative domestic competitions abroad. All I can say is a future for the white cricketer in Safrica is very doubtful in 10/15 years time..
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+xThe quota problem is another burden for SA as they are losing a lot of their talented youth to NZ, Aus and Eng.
Make up your mind. On the one hand you say above. Then you say you dont agree with me that the quota system is hurting Saffer cricket. That talented youth of which you speak include Conway and Foxcroft.? I am betting it did. Their parents probably told them if you want an international career look elsewhere as this quota system is clearly disadvantaging white Sth Africans. The poor remuneration is also having an affect if many are abandoning SAfrica for the more lucrative domestic competitions abroad. All I can say is a future for the white cricketer in Safrica is very doubtful in 10/15 years time.. I never changed my mind. Read it more carefully. You want to blame quotas for Olivier and MMorkel. I strongly disagree. Nothing to do with quotas.AbDV, Olivier and MMorkel got to the top and played despite quotas. They left for money. Quota leavers (if that really is why - I suspect more just to get opportunity to play intl cricket) like Wagner would need a white quota to get in front of Rabada, Ngidi and Philander. Lets not ignore the fact SA are actually producing the best bowlers going around in the world of test cricket right now - black or white. Wagner would never play for SA, he's just not good enough. 1 Abbott, 2 MMorkel, 3 Steyn 4 Olivier 5 Rabda 6 Ngidi 7 Philander are all clearly better than him, Nortje probably is too. There are two times I question the Safrican quotas and feel very sorry for SA fans, whenever Behardien and Bavuma play. This could get hairy when Amla retires. Phelukwayo is actually developing into a useful cricketer but it's taken long enough.
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+x+xThe quota problem is another burden for SA as they are losing a lot of their talented youth to NZ, Aus and Eng.
Make up your mind. On the one hand you say above. Then you say you dont agree with me that the quota system is hurting Saffer cricket. That talented youth of which you speak include Conway and Foxcroft.? I am betting it did. Their parents probably told them if you want an international career look elsewhere as this quota system is clearly disadvantaging white Sth Africans. The poor remuneration is also having an affect if many are abandoning SAfrica for the more lucrative domestic competitions abroad. All I can say is a future for the white cricketer in Safrica is very doubtful in 10/15 years time.. I never changed my mind. Read it more carefully. You want to blame quotas for Olivier and MMorkel. I strongly disagree. Nothing to do with quotas.AbDV, Olivier and MMorkel got to the top and played despite quotas. They left for money. Quota leavers (if that really is why - I suspect more just to get opportunity to play intl cricket) like Wagner would need a white quota to get in front of Rabada, Ngidi and Philander. Lets not ignore the fact SA are actually producing the best bowlers going around in the world of test cricket right now - black or white. Wagner would never play for SA, he's just not good enough. 1 Abbott, 2 MMorkel, 3 Steyn 4 Olivier 5 Rabda 6 Ngidi 7 Philander are all clearly better than him, Nortje probably is too. There are two times I question the Safrican quotas and feel very sorry for SA fans, whenever Behardien and Bavuma play. This could get hairy when Amla retires. Phelukwayo is actually developing into a useful cricketer but it's taken long enough. Blues reject Nic Maddinson has just posted his third ton in three games. Reckon the Blues hierachy is feeling a touch sick at this moment. Handing this bloke to our perennial enemy.
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If all that is prepared to come to NZ is SA, Eng, Bang, Pak, SL, WI - then that is all NZ is able to play at home. Aus was last here in 2016 - you're next here in the 4 years after 2023.....
I like your honesty. You saying our next tour to your shores is in 2027? If so that is one big joke. The last was 2017.. correct? So that is a decade. Mate I would prefer to play your blokes than any of the Asian countries and probably SAfrica. We are cuzzies after all.
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+xIf all that is prepared to come to NZ is SA, Eng, Bang, Pak, SL, WI - then that is all NZ is able to play at home. Aus was last here in 2016 - you're next here in the 4 years after 2023.....
I like your honesty. You saying our next tour to your shores is in 2027? If so that is one big joke. The last was 2017.. correct? So that is a decade. Mate I would prefer to play your blokes than any of the Asian countries and probably SAfrica. We are cuzzies after all. 2016 Aus was last here, no tours scheduled till 2023. The next FTP will be drawn up in 2023 for the period through to 2027... There's basically a rock, paper scissors going on. There's the SENA Asia divide. Then the road, spin and swing divide. India aint winning in England soon, England aint winning in Aus soon, and Aus aint winning in India soon... The difference is - who is leaving SL, UAE and Bangladesh with their heads still held high? See I don't see NZ beating Aus in Aus or NZ anytime soon. I'd see us thrashing your mob in England or Asia, though. :P
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