1933-1967..many successful years for the Socceroos :roll:
In Australias most memorable years(2005/2006) there were how many Australian-Croatians? 7 and how many German-Australians? 1


"I'd love to see where you could find anything about any Germans making that kind of contrubition to society." It seems to me that Germans have made no contribution at all to Australian society. Germans have no history of violence and racism at all...

*starts counting on left hand* 1. Viduka, 2. Culina, *scratches head* 3. Kalac? (well, if you want to claim that#-o) 4. Skoko *looks at hand* I count four...that's some way off 7.

Gee, no spreading of violence and hatered. I think that's a good place to start. Saving the taxpayers a lot of money and police resources.

I'll count them for you..
1.Viduka, 2.Culina, 3.Kalac, 4.Skoko, 5.Bresciano(Croatian mother),6.Popovic, 7.Covic

and I'll count the Germans while I'm at it..
*starts counting on left hand* 1.Schwarzer #-o =d>

Covic?? Was at the WC?? I must have missed that one. I see we were making up the numbers.
Bresciano has a croatian mother...well if that's not a tenuous link...I hear Kewell spent a week in croatia once, wouldn't you like to claim him aswell?? And Emerton played in croatia in the UEFA cup, you can have him aswell. Fuck it, the whole starting XI for the socceroos is croatian. Wait?? How did that happen??#-o

And without schwarzer...we wouldn't have been at the world cup to begin with. And the important thing to remember here is, these players are all australian.

Didnt deny they were Australian...thats why I called them 'Australian-Croatians' in my posts before.
And theres no need to get stupid with the Harry Kewell and Emerton stuff. All those players were at the world cup and whether you like it or not Bresciano does have Croatian heritage so he does make the list of 'Socceroos with Croatian heritage'.

Yes, without Schwarzer Socceroos would not have made World Cup...but without Viduka, Culina, Popovic, Skoko, Bresciano etc they would hardly be able to put a respectable team together and it would not have even got to penalties against Uruguay.

Richmond Allemania? They have the frickin Nazi eagle on their scarves.

Afroman will try and claim that it is a different breed of eagle which promotes anti-Nazi ideology in Australian society and an eagle which signifies Jewish freedom.

Hahaha.

But seriosuly, I can see where croat23 is coming from, a lot of people both on this forum and in general are against nationality-based clubs; mainly as part of a media beat up. They keep resorting to the same arguments ("they crowds fight blah blah blah") but I'm almost sure the majority have never seen one of these ethnic rivalry games first hand; and base their opinions on what they see on the news.
They then go on about it being based on ethinicity and never stop to think that, perhaps, fights start for other reasons. Brawls always errupt at the footy, cricket, and the A-League. There is never any mention of how bad this is for the game. Very quick to blame "the troublesome Wogs", though, when there is any incident at a VPL game.

It really is subtle racism.

That's a big call, we had ten other dude's on the field for the two leg's, as well. They were all equally important, but Schwarzer did have a big bearing on it all.


Thank God someone still recognizes this.


I don't normally come into these kind's of argument's, but fuck, can't we just be "Australian", and a fucking united Australia, without all this shit? Pretty sure we're past this stage.

Absolutely. I'm sick of all this rubbish. All migrants, whether they be Croat, German, Anglo, or whatever else, have all had a great impact on this land. People need to stop disputing what each race has done for this country.

This thread should be to celebrate the clubs history and job, even if they are ethnic based team. We don't go hating on Celtic/Rangers because of their religious positions and destroy any thread on them, so why do we want to do it to a thread on a club that HAS helped this countries national team?

Les supports this cause, because he is part of that group of people that found refuge here. Football was his one way out, and these ethnic sokkah clubs were his one way of watching and escaping his hard times. It was a way for all of these people to interact. Of course Les is going to support these clubs and say we should never forget them, its hardly surprising.

I see where your coming from but with people with names like Josip Skoko and Ante Covic its very hard to just be Australian

This is why nobody likes people like you or has any respect for your club. Stupid racist comments like that fuel the hatred towards your community within the football family for failing to assimilate like the Greeks, Jews, African, Germans, English, Chinese etc etc.

You are an absolute idiot if you think the players themselves (other than Viduka) actually think that and if your club keeps going on this way it will be defunct in 5 years.

Guest,

If your name is Josip Skoko, you start playing for Sydney Croatia, you move to Hajduk Split, continue playing around Europe, marry a girl from Split, get dual Croatian/Australian citizenship, return to Hajduk Split for the end of your career and your first language is Croatian...its fair enough that someone might consider you an Australian-Croatian.

Im just using Skoko as an example but what I said was...bbeing someone like Josip Skoko or Ante Covic it is hard to be JUST Australian

Putting it that way sounds a shit load better than the first way you put it.

There is nothing wrong with saying you are Australian-Croatian/Chinese/American/Greek whatever as long as Australian comes first.

ye fair enough.

If your name is Harry Kewell, you start playing for Leeds United at 17, continue playing around England, marry a girl from England, and then end career continues who knows where, and your first language is English... its fair enough that someone might consider you an Australian-Brit.

No one will though. Because he is an Aussie. Just like Josip. That's why he chose to play for Australia, not Croatia, and so he is an Australian.

Thats probably because 'Aussies' are of British ancestry anyway and England has the best football in the world and everyone whether your Aussie, Italian, Croatian or whatever wants to play there. And yes I do consider Kewell a bit of a Brit, along with all you said his parents are English aswell.

"Firt language is English"....that probably has something to do with the fact he was born in Australia....

and for gods sake Ive never denied that Josip is Australian..everyone who comes to this country, whether they arrived yesterday, 50 years ago or if they were born here are Australian. Like Guest said...Australia has to come first and thats the way Josip does it and thats why my family and I respect him so much and thats why he is one of my favourite players. When he signed for Hajduk I was over in Croatia and in an interview he said himself Croatia was his "second home".

The point is though we chould not being speaking about players like that. They should all be spoken about as an Australian player.

I speak about them the way I see them. Denying that they have any such link to another country is stupidity.

As Nico said, Kewell moved to england aged 17, married an english girl and lives in england...yet he is aussie through and through. "But english is his first language" you say??
What about Tim Cahill then?? He's lived in england for yonks, is married to an english bird and english wasn't his first language and he's aussie through and through.

I'd love to see where you got that from...Show me.

In Australia we speak English. I said Skokos first language is Croatian because it is different. If English was some foreign language I would take your point about Kewell. An 'Aussie' is of British ancestry anyway.

Its funny how the people who run Sydney United and Melbourne Knights are 'Croatian', young people of Croatian heritage in Australia are 'Croatian' yet Skoko and Simunic(even though he plays for Croatia) are 'Australian' and absolutely nothing else. Kewell marrys a Brit because when it comes down to it what is the difference between Kewell and a Brit? Do you think its a coincidence that Skoko and Viduka marry Croats?

Tim Cahill played for Samoa and almost took legal action against FIFA because they wouldnt let him play for Ireland at the 2002 world cup. Aussie through and through? I think not.

That's 100% self proclaimed. It's not that we go "you're croatian" it's that you go "WE'RE CROATIAN!".

Go to their games !
Last year at both Preston vs Richmond AND Kingston vs Richmond I was racially abused, slandered in Germanesian, and had a friend the target of Arayan chants.
Non-racist? :^o

My point exactly - it's all based on what you all hear in the media, and perceive as true; and not what the actual facts are.
You never hear "bloody trouble making Germans" (not since about 1948, anyway) so you do not perceive them as a threat.
However Australia is often fed news about "rowdy Wogs" by the media etc, giving them a bad name and altering your perception.

Edited by CharliePantou: 8/12/2008 08:02:13 PM

ye that dosent suprise me Pantou
I really couldnt care less if people thought wogs are violent and idiots...they can think whatever they want.
Its funny how some croatian-serbian football riots stay fresh in the minds of Aussies but everyone is susposed to forget about and 'get over' things like the Cronulla riots. And how no one knows about incidents like that Richmond game.

Anyways, another great club has celebrated its birthday
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/sport/soccer/canberra-fc-marks-half-century-of-high-achievements/1380033.aspx

I never knew Asanovic played for them.

I'm not travelling to a game just to look at a skinhead in a scarf if that's even true.
Btw, the 'Nazi' eagle is the same one on the US Air Force Logo. They must be evil racists too.

I don't think that image is really appropriate, thanks.
-Afro

US Air Force Eagles:





Can't see the similarities, to be honest.

Edited by afromanGT: 9/12/2008 12:56:18 AM

Both beaks to the left, wings spread and tips pointing out and down. How can you not... oh thats right you are an idiot.