According to the wiki page its 30k seating with a heap of other stuff (double dressing rooms, museum etc) for total cost of 80m Euro (AUD$130m ). so a decent 20k should be doable for $100m one would guess?

Had a look at those bear stadium designs - who gives a shit if they aren't architecturally beautiful? 50 years minimum design life. months to build not years, and upgrade-able between seasons. There is absolutely no detail on final cost that I can see but if its half the price or less - wow. 
20k capacity would serve all but the biggest clubs. imagine if Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth, CCM, Newcastle, MelbC (Nix?) all owned their own profitable boutique stadia? only the Sydneys and MV  would need bigger, and only for the big matches. In some cases multi-team citys could even co-own the stadium, doubling the revenue it generates to pay for itself sooner. Probably only really work for the Melbournes atm though.

the sooner the sport fucks off oversized multi-use stadia and starts to own its main revenue streams the faster the game can expand.

“only the Sydneys and MV would need bigger” ... c’mon - the two Sydney sides average 12-15k typically. A 20k capacity stadium would be fine for either of them.

IIRC it has a special roof that can be taken off and put on again when the capacity is increased.

Later they realised increasing the capacity would cost more than rebuilding the whole thing, hence the jokes about the roof

The design was originally for a 20k capacity stadium but during negotiations with potential users it was agreed by Government to increase capacity and 30k was all that could be fitted on the length of the site with the stretched version of the design they had chosen.  That being the case in the design stage there was no provision to remove the roof.  During contract negotiations the contractor arranged an increase in price to "future proof" the stadium by strengthening the footings.

When it came to looking at stadium requirements and availability for our World Cup bid it was found that we couldn't have both the MCG and Etihad so attention turned to what could be done at Melbourne Rectangular Stadium.    There was a sketch design around that showed a scheme for increasing capacity but in the words of an acquaintance of mine who worked on the stadium requirements for the bid it was an abortion and something you would never do.  When that plan was costed it was found that by the time the roof was cut apart and the architectural programme below it was changed to increase capacity and comply with FIFA requirements and the roof then rebuilt on site it was cheaper to build a new stadium elsewhere.

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you can do cosmetic things to increase the capacity at AAMI Park though. eg. you probably could add 3-4,000 to the capacity if you made all of both ends safe standing. 

The ends of AAMI hold a bit over 5k each and with safe standing you can add about 50% capacity so roughly 5k extra.  Is the egress from each end designed for the extra capacity and are there enough WC's for the extra capacity?  Both of those issues are specified in the BCA.

The previous consideration was of course done against FIFA requirements for a World Cup so the requirements are not covered simply by compliance with the BCA.  With regard to safe standing there are stadiums in Germany with different capacities for Bundesliga and international games so it can be worked around.

I am more than confident that the cost of any stadium will be over $ 100 million. I'm not good at this, but judging by the official data that are published daily on the Internet, as well as in the news, then this is the minimum price for a relatively small stadium. Also, do not forget about the depreciation of materials. From an economic point of view, each building has its own certain period, after which it must be repaired, regardless of the state of the building. This period depends on the quality of the materials that were used in the construction, as well as on the opinion of an independent expert. If this is, for example, 10 years, then every 10 years the owner of the stadium will have to allocate money for repairs. I doubt that high quality materials will be used in the construction, such as these https://www.maxima-aluminum.com/service/railings-services/, so the amortization time will be even shorter. Well, draw your conclusions ...

This.

 

Repair costs go in to Operating Costs and, as the stadium is a profit Center, can be funded. 

Average wage in Greece  ~ $49k AUD 
Average wage in Australia ~ $82.5k AUD

just on that alone you need to double the cost of what it would cost in Australia
not to mention workers in Australia have Super and superior leave entitlements then Greece...

There is some truth to this but if you want the government to pay for anything you need to put forward a proposal and the proposal would need to have more in it then 'it will benefit football' 

It would need to be eye catching, marketable, state of the art to even be considered....

If the clubs paid for there own stadium they could build it on a cheap but if you want it to be tax payer funded even partly there would need to be 'value' in it for the tax payers otherwise it will never get approved - i dont agree with how that value is calculated but it is what it is.

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Not saying it is right, i agree it is stupid but that it how sh*t works in Australia 

Dolphin just built 3,170 seats behind one goal for $6.5m which included some new (women’s) changing rooms and other facilities. 

Australia doesnt have about 50 million Latin Americans that they can hire to work for 5$ an hour....

Completely agree, we are obsessed with the idea stadiums need fully connected grandstand with major roofing and world class corporate facilities, but in reality we can manage with less then half of what people expect.

Its the way clubs and team who fund there own stadiums develop them, slow upgrades and improvements over long periods. 

I dont think if Coopers Stadium or Central Coast Stadium they would cost in the hundreds of millions range. Many around 40-60m, which is much more realistic. 

More simple stadiums should be developed, even if its over a four/five year period. Build up a main stand, the most expensive of the lot, have the changing rooms, faculties, corporate all based on that side, and one stand behind a selected goal. Then after a year or two, build the stand behind the opposite goal and then a few years after that, develop up a stand on the opposite side of the pitch.

The first round of development with half the stadium built may cost around 25-30m, then each stage around 10m

That’s actual costs based on the latest development. So relax, the borders can stay closed 

State governments have an aggressive monopoly over stadia in this country. That will always be a limiting factor, probably just as significant as labour/building costs. I can’t see private/affordable stadium ownership becoming a regular occurrence unless there’s serious policy reform.

There are people out there spending $20 mill to build a house.

One of the major silver linings of this diabolical period, in terms of football, is that fact that clubs and supporters are finally getting real about stadiums.  Frank Lowy's vision of the A League was always an exercise in wishfulfilment - admirable, yes, but hopelessly out of touch with reality. I've been saying for 10 years now that the A  League's stadiums and their fields of empty seats have done more harm to the competition than any other single factor, and I stand by that judgement.


We will never know, of course, but I venture that the League's arc would have looked very different if games had played to mostly full stadiums every week.  Sport is theatre, and it has to look the part.

Yeah, I live near Byron Bay and Chris Hemsworth has just spent $60 million on his.  Not bad money for someone who makes his living dressing up and pretending, to borrow a phrase from Harrison Ford (or was it John Wayne?).

Australian football isn't Chis Hemsworth, that's for sure.

What I can't understand is why Melb City, at least, haven't built a stadium.  It's small change for CFG.

Sydney are going to drown in the new SFC.  Every game will look empty on tv.  The optics are hugely important.

A stadium with a 50 year design life can expect 1 or 2 major refurbishments over and above maintenance and the costs of these refurbishments are normally capitalised.  At Adelaide Oval the Management Authority has to set aside enough funds over the life of the stadium to pay for these refurbishments.

A good example of the standard required for the main part of the western grandstand is Sunshine Coast Stadium.  There 1,050 seats plus high quality change rooms and player facilities, commercial kitchen and large room etc cost $10m or $9,523 per seat.  The cost for the rest of the capacity is cheaper per seat than this of course and depends on the foundation material, the design, construction method, number and quality of amenities etc but the minimum cost would be $2,500 seat.

Over that 50 years Roar would be paying close to $100m to rent suncorp (which will vary markedly by club I know) but I would say the cost savings of sharing a stadium arent  bring realised in QLD. 

Roar need to look at lower Lesgue English clubs who somehow manage to survive (pre Covid anyway) and run a stadium. 

It certainly hasnt helped the league esp when watching empty stadiums on TV makes it look like a bit of a joke... 

“Following an extensive seven-year research and design process, the Victorian Government has today approved plans to rezone 550 acres of privately-owned land located on Cape Otway Road Australia, allowing for the development of the Southern Hemisphere’s largest and only sport, health and wellness destination of its kind on Victoria’s Surf Coast: CORA.

The $350 million development set in a rural hinterland setting on Victoria’s Surf Coast, 25km south west of Geelong, is conceived to become an international destination, with CORA showcasing luxury accommodation, a wellness centre, an internationally sought-after elite sports training facility and sports science hub, art galleries, design studios, an eco-museum, a retail and hospitality precinct including a microbrewery, signature restaurants and childcare centre, together with an organic farm and an outdoor event and sculpture park. All positioned adjacent to a 250-acre wet land conservation precinct – CORA represents the future of wellness tourism and elite sport in Australia.

This will be the only facility of its kind in the Southern Hemisphere, delivering a highly calibrated environment in which sports people can improve their game.

CORA will cater for nine of the top 10 most popular sports by participation in Australia: football, AFL, netball, tennis, cricket, basketball, swimming, rugby league and athletics.

The sporting facility will include:

• MCG orientated AFL oval
• Two football pitches
• Rugby pitch
• Eight tennis courts
• Aquatic centre with an Olympic-size swimming pool
• Fitness gymnasium
• Athletics track
• Beach volleyball sandpit
• Cycling, running and fitness paths

Part of the facility will include a sports performance hub which includes:

• Physiotherapy, medical and consultation spaces
• Recovery, hydrotherapy and performance analysis suites
• Nutrition consultation
• A performance gym”

It will look better than the old SFS.The new stadium is designed to have a 25k-seater "club mode" for regular season matches, which is about the right size for the kind of crowd Sydney should be trying to get (15-20k). There was originally going to be an LED curtain to mask the upper tier but this was canned to reduce costs, but as far as I know the club mode has otherwise been retained. Why they couldn't just use a cloth curtain for 1/100th the price is beyond me.

The benefit to the new SFS will be in the stadium atmosphere. From attending the finals at Bankwest in comparison to the 5/6 games I went to at Kogarah, the Cove in the smaller size felt much much louder. The noise rebounds and the echoes keeping the noise compact and booming. The regular crowd as well seem much louder when they cheered and clapped so the new SFS will make the match goers vibe a lot better then it is. 

It may not look ideal for TV viewers but if they can place fans accordingly on prime camera spots and packed together (disregarding covid obviously), it won look awful. 

There may be no LED curtain but as said, cloth curtains or even sponsorship banners could work just as well on the upper sections, to cover up empty, mostly out of view seats. Mariners use two on the lower sections and it forces fans to pack together, visually making the crowd look larger. Not sure why clubs like City and Newcastle don't stick large cloth banners in the uppers to add some vibrancy and colour to the rest of the stadium at least, while hiding the reality of the oversized venues.

Seattle Sounders do a good job of creating an intimate 40,000 seater mode out of their 67,000 seater NFL stadium, which has a layout that is strikingly reminiscent of the SFS. And all it requires is tarpaulins over the seats in the top tier.

There are a few reasons why the new stadium may see an increase in attendances for Sydney, as long as the A-League is in good health (albeit that's a BIG if). The new ground will have a higher rake with the stands closer to the pitch (particularly at the ends), and the layout means everyone will be placed in the lower tier for regular season games (excluding derbies), so the atmosphere will be better. It will have a proper roof that will cover 100% of seats (a major improvement for anyone who's been stranded in the rain in the old SFS, and particularly pertinent with the impending winter switch), and the amenities in terms of food/drinks and toilets will be significantly better. Also, safe standing in the Cove.

Then there's the light rail line to Moore Park, which makes getting there easier and more visible. The days of being stuck in traffic on Cleveland St should be over.

So if the A-League has got over its malaise by 2023 and the team is performing well on the park, it could be an exciting restart for the club. Hopefully they don't fluff the opportunity like WSW did this year.

Melbourne City real estate is expensive and in short supply