Ok so the way I see it is, The FFA have put the writing up on the wall for all future ALeague bidders by making either a private football specific stadium of 15k a must in anyone’s bid or a state government funded stadium.


My question is how much does a 15k stadium cost to build?

I can see many councils offering land for free to have the bidders located in their area but how much does it cost to build a small football stadium?

Is there modular designs out there that bidders can look to build to upgrade there bids!

I really think if they can find stadiums that don’t have to cost that much you could see a mini boom and a win for soccer in this country!

Depends who will be paying it, state government or the club most likely it will be funded by the state government unless the club is owned by a trillionere.

In the recent round of bidding, all the new stadiums which were going to get built were around the $150 mill mark for 15k.

This is what I don't get - with dozens of NPL stadiums around Australia, can't we convert any of them to a neat and tidy 10k ground at a fraction of that cost?

Australia has very high construction costs compared to the rest of the world. High regulatory burden, highly paid construction labour force, higher patron expectations, limited number of construction companies and high profit margins for those companies.

While ugly, I wonder if there are any modular designs that can be shipped into the country

I’ve seen modular design stadiums that would work here, built overseas with only putting it together in Australia they could be built within a year!
Hell I’ve even seen wooden modular stadium design and company selling there product online and it
Looks great!

https://www.autodesk.com/redshift/modular-stadium-construction/

That stadium does look nice. Upto 20k capacity (from 1500), seems like a great option for us. The shipping from Europe might be prohibitive though...

Game changer if it meets Australian standards!!

Look at these stadiums perfect for A League and even second division/NPL teams

http://www.bearstadiums.com/en

Dolphin (Oval) Stadium in Redcliffe is a 10k built for something like $25m for the two stands (excludes land)

Modular construction is pretty awesome but unfortunately the unions hold a lot of power in Australia which prevents innovative ideas like this in lieu of keeping labour jobs on site.

Also $1,000 per seat seems pretty standard for your run of the mill stadium with no bells and whistles

25k in Townsville is gonna be 300mil

So maybe half that?

-PB

you do know that the FFA has a minimum standard (aka. compliance), right? I'm not quite sure what that standard is, but I would say 10k is too low. I'm not totally convinced Lakeside Oval should be considered compliant at 12k. 

I would love for every A-League club to have their own boutique stadium of their own.
Starting with Victory, building one at Victoria Uni - Footscray Park.

First of all timber constructed stadiums as exampled in the modular transportable design are expensive in costs compared to steel and concrete when curved structural members are concerned ie roof. Not to mention regulatory requirements for the possibility of fire. Further, 20% of a stadiums cost is the foundations / footings (so costs are simalar here) with the roof being the major overall expense.

The $150 million to build a 15,000 seater stadium will include corporate facilities, media rooms, catering and kitchens etc all air conditioned and are high range in quality. If you want just seating and dunnies and no roof then that cost can be reduced by 2/3.

QLD Government stadium task force report out today. Apparently recommends against building any more stadiums as well as stating ballymore is not suited for redevelopment as a stadium due to access issues and should be a training Center only.

The Footscray Park site is too small for that type of thing. Victory are building 2 extra training pitches near Highpoint because there isn't enough room at Footscray Park.

My Foootball wet dream would be for our sport to find a way to buy AAMI Park, upgrade it to 50k, piss off the other sports, and turn it into Australia's version of Wembley. It will never happen, but I love the idea of it.  I also love Countdown catalogue.

AEK are currently building one . Check out Agia Sophia Stadium it has a wiki page. Not sure about labour/ building costs in Europe at the moment or if it’s on track budget wise.

Hollow concrete slabs are a lot cheaper too

$3.41 Transport Fee recommended  (currently $6 ?), woohoo!



http://www.hpw.qld.gov.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/StadiumTaskforceInterimReportResponse.pdf

It's good if Ballymore is canned. Even if city pay for an upgrade there's nothing worse than giving an opposing code a leg up.

But if that is true that the government won't allow any upgrade whatsoever, where to for Brisbane city? Why not their own home ground upgrade?

Planning a trip to the United Arab Emirates for next year’s Asian Cup?

Group stage matches: Australia v Jordan, Qatar v Lebanon, Kyrgyzstan v South Korea, United Arab Emirates v Thailand, Vietnam v YemenKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Runner-up Group A v Runner-Up Group C), Quarter-final, Semi-finalAL-MAKTOUM STADIUMThe home ground of Al-Nasr Sports Club, who play in the UAE Arabian Gulf League, Al-Maktoum Stadium is being upgraded for the Asian Cup and is expected to fit 15,000 fans come the tournament.Located in Dubai, the stadium will host six games, including a quarter-final, a Round of 16 match and four group games.

Group stage matches: South Korea v Philippines, Bahrain v Thailand, Lebanon v Saudi Arabia, Iran v IraqKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group B v third Group A/C/D), Quarter-finalAL-NAHYAN STADIUMOne of the smaller stadiums, Al-Nahyan Stadium in Dubai fits just 12,000 people and is the home ground of Al Wahda FC, which plays in the UAE Pro League.The stadium will host five games at the 2019 Asian Cup, including one Round of 16 clash and four group matches.

Group stage matches: Thailand v India, Japan v Turkmenistan, Vietnam v Iran, South Korea v China PRKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group E v Runner-up Group D)MAKTOUM BIN RASHID AL MAKTOUM STADIUMLocated in Dubai, the home of UAE Pro League club Shabab Al-Ahli Dubai FC fits just 12,000 spectators.The stadium will host one Round of 16 game and four group matches.That includes Palestine’s clash with the Socceroos.

Group stage matches: Saudi Arabia v North Korea, Palestine v Australia, Turkmenistan v Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan v PhilippinesKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group C v 3rd Group A/B/F)KHALIFA BIN ZAYED STADIUMLocated in Al Ain, this stadium is one of the home grounds of UAE Pro-League club Al-Ain FC.Khalifa bin Zayed Stadium has a capacity of approximately 16,000, though it is being upgraded for the tournament.It will host six games of the 2019 Asian Cup.That includes a Round of 16 game and five group stage clashes, including Australia’s match against Syria.

Group stage matches: China PR v Kyrgyzstan, Jordan v Syria, North Korea v Qatar, Australia v Syria, Japan v UzbekistanKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Runner-up Group B v Runner-up Group F)SHARJAH STADIUMThe home ground of Sharjah FC, this stadium is located in Sharjah and has an approximate capacity of 11,000.The stadium will host six games of the Asian Cup, including one Round of 16 game and five group games.

Group stage matches: Syria v Palestine, Uzbekistan v Oman, Yemen v Iraq, India v Bahrain, Lebanon v North KoreaKnockout stage matches: Round of 16 (Winner Group F v Runner-up Group E)

These venues are good enough for the Asian Cup. But would be borderline for an A-league club. We seem to be stadium snobs in this country.

Clubs in Europe such as in Italy are converting their running track stadium to rectangular - left right and centre. Same in Brazil and other countries.

Small crowds in an oval ground can't get any uglier.

Some are, many arent.

If true, this is further proof that the Qld government needs to get the f@ck out of the stadium business.  The only entity that should be deciding if Ballymore is suitable for redevelopment is the QRU.  

Not sure what profit margins you think Builders make on these kind of projects, but if they're not losing money or breaking even, I'd say their profit margins are ranging between 1.5-4% after off-site overheads are taken out. 

i think blaming high construction costs is a convenient excuse. i think we would save money if they didn't always build stadiums with all the bells and whistles. AAMI Park could have been built far cheaper (or had a bigger capacity) had it had a more simplified roof. dick measuring contests between cities and/or state governments in a bid to try and outdo each other is a significant factor in pushing up costs. 

Why does the roof at AAMI keep coming up?  Roof costs are normally around 10% of a stadiums cost and even with a fancy roof it's not an overly expensive part of the project.  The costly parts are normally super-structure, back of house facilities and services, all over 20% and on a bad site just getting out of the ground can exceed 20% of the cost.

There's no doubt that's the main reason. Every stadium needs to be architecturally designed and built world class. If we want more clubs to own their own stadiums one day, we need to accept simpler stadiums.