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+x+x+xMuscat wasn’t playing him much at the time, and doesn’t really have a great record of giving youth players minutes, so the decision made sense at the time imo.If Pasquali was a starter at MVC, ok that’s a different story. I mean, Arnold's record with youth is just as atrocious as Muscat's. Um, no. Please divulge. -PB
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Melbcityguy
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so can we expect theoharious to be the next signing for west united as well?
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Quality signings so far. No more talk about the head coach?
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+x+xMuscat wasn’t playing him much at the time, and doesn’t really have a great record of giving youth players minutes, so the decision made sense at the time imo.If Pasquali was a starter at MVC, ok that’s a different story. I mean, Arnold's record with youth is just as atrocious as Muscat's. Um, no.
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Benjamin
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+x+x+xHad the potential to be a Vuck legend and threw it all away to play reserves football in Holland. What a waste - another in a long line of young players (Da Silva, Yeboah etc etc) who have harmed their development by choosing reserves football in Europe over first team action in Australia. Yeah... Kids... Stop showing ambition. Stick where you're safe. Sit on the bench at Victory waiting for a regular place - you'll learn far more under Musky and Co. than you ever would at a nothing club like Ajax. We all know which club has the better record for developing young talent... If he is such a good talent for Ajax, why were Ajax content to see him leave without offering him a senior contract? It's not complicated... He didn't get a senior contract because only a few players get them each season at Ajax... He wasn't good enough, but that doesn't mean he hasn't improved more at Ajax than he would have done at Victory... Maybe look at Stefan Nigro for an example of a player who burst onto the scene with an amazing pre-season performance against top class opposition, then was stifled by a lack of opportunity...
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maxxie
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He's still very young, I think getting regular first team football needs to be his priority. I don't see how getting that in the A-league is worse than getting it at a similar level in Europe. Ikon has shown how important first team football is to a young player, and my hope for both of them is two good seasons at home before heading back to Europe at a club where they can get regular minutes.
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Kamaryn
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Well that escalated quickly.
To put two positive spins: 1. Great signing by the new team. Very encouraging step. 2. This shows the great value of expansion - more first team spots for Australian players. Already expansion is proving worthwhile.
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AJF
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+x+x+xHad the potential to be a Vuck legend and threw it all away to play reserves football in Holland. What a waste - another in a long line of young players (Da Silva, Yeboah etc etc) who have harmed their development by choosing reserves football in Europe over first team action in Australia. Yeah... Kids... Stop showing ambition. Stick where you're safe. Sit on the bench at Victory waiting for a regular place - you'll learn far more under Musky and Co. than you ever would at a nothing club like Ajax. We all know which club has the better record for developing young talent... If he is such a good talent for Ajax, why were Ajax content to see him leave without offering him a senior contract? Just taking a wild guess, perhaps he isnt good enough for Dutch 1st Division?
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BA81
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I agree I'd rather see him tough it out in Europe than come back so soon - heck, there's no guarantee that whoever WU's coach ends up being will give the kid regular minutes. Regarding my previously-posted thoughts on here about Oz players seemingly snubbing Euro leagues they deem to be beneath them(ie. virtually all Central/Eastern European leagues) or can't be arsed learning their language, even if that level would theoretically be their most realistic springboard to bigger things down the track; I can only hope Seb's more resolute and clued-up than certain others before him.
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Barca4Life
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+x+x+xHad the potential to be a Vuck legend and threw it all away to play reserves football in Holland. What a waste - another in a long line of young players (Da Silva, Yeboah etc etc) who have harmed their development by choosing reserves football in Europe over first team action in Australia. Yeah... Kids... Stop showing ambition. Stick where you're safe. Sit on the bench at Victory waiting for a regular place - you'll learn far more under Musky and Co. than you ever would at a nothing club like Ajax. We all know which club has the better record for developing young talent... If he is such a good talent for Ajax, why were Ajax content to see him leave without offering him a senior contract? He had one game for Jong Ajax as a CB, once they knew he wasnt seen a central midfielder in there system then he will climbing uphill since. It started so promisingly.
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Barca4Life
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So disappointing but also not surprising that many of our younger players are not cut for Europe and pretty much come back home.
Who was the last young player in the A-league that has stayed in Europe and playing at a decent level, Awer Mabil? Not many.
A big concern for the Socceroos, competing on the global level and I'm not talking most of Asia either.
Too many come back home after promising European moves, how do we change this?
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+xThe simple question is: Is the person getting regular game time in the strongest league they can play in? Correct answer (for almost all cases).
Full trophy cabinet (but yours looks a bit empty) ! Reigning BACK2BACK 442 A League and World Cup (Mens and Womens) Tipping Champion - so yeap, I do know best !
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Melbcityguy
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if he bosses the midfield for two year his still young enough to go back to europe what's the problem?
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+x+xHad the potential to be a Vuck legend and threw it all away to play reserves football in Holland. What a waste - another in a long line of young players (Da Silva, Yeboah etc etc) who have harmed their development by choosing reserves football in Europe over first team action in Australia. Yeah... Kids... Stop showing ambition. Stick where you're safe. Sit on the bench at Victory waiting for a regular place - you'll learn far more under Musky and Co. than you ever would at a nothing club like Ajax. We all know which club has the better record for developing young talent... Hehe.
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+xMuscat wasn’t playing him much at the time, and doesn’t really have a great record of giving youth players minutes, so the decision made sense at the time imo.If Pasquali was a starter at MVC, ok that’s a different story. So you're saying Mat Ryan should've left the Mariners at age 17? When he wasn't getting any minutes? I mean, Arnold's record with youth is just as atrocious as Muscat's so Ryan should've legged it out of there at the first opportunity, correct?
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The simple question is: Is the person getting regular game time in the strongest league they can play in?
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RedKat
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The argument over when to move is one that has no right answer because its different for everyone and worked for some and not others. We can argue it for months and still theres no right answer.
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+xMuscat wasn’t playing him much at the time, and doesn’t really have a great record of giving youth players minutes, so the decision made sense at the time imo.If Pasquali was a starter at MVC, ok that’s a different story. serious? he had just literally come onto the scene in the game against Juve and had an assist in a late winner against adelaide. then he left due to a loophole in the rules. either way, I think Seb should have persisted in europe. I'm disappointed.
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+x@walnutsHave to disagree. Any player breaking through that young has to go overseas imo. He wouldn’t have got anything more than rotational minutes for us that season, and Ajax are the type of club you don’t say no to. The important part is that he’s realised that youth football can only take you so far, and now will be coming back to compete for a spot (hopefully a better player). He’s still only 19 and has his whole career ahead of him. Rotational minutes @ 16 (who knows what would've happened later in the season - he was only around for 3 rounds) vs youth team football (don't forget the six month period where he didn't play at all because his agent was incapable of sorting out his passport difficulties). If it's good enough for Viduka to learn and play at home, why not for others? Even the likes of Bresciano, Grella and Emerton - key cogs of our Golden Generation - played a full season or two of senior football before they headed overseas. Why is it different for them? Ajax had a much better academy than Melbourne Knights, why don't people abuse Viduka for staying at home in his formative years? You can have all the coaching in the world, but you'll never beat senior match day experience.
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Muscat wasn’t playing him much at the time, and doesn’t really have a great record of giving youth players minutes, so the decision made sense at the time imo.
If Pasquali was a starter at MVC, ok that’s a different story.
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walnuts
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+x+xHad the potential to be a Vuck legend and threw it all away to play reserves football in Holland. What a waste - another in a long line of young players (Da Silva, Yeboah etc etc) who have harmed their development by choosing reserves football in Europe over first team action in Australia. Yeah... Kids... Stop showing ambition. Stick where you're safe. Sit on the bench at Victory waiting for a regular place - you'll learn far more under Musky and Co. than you ever would at a nothing club like Ajax. We all know which club has the better record for developing young talent... If he is such a good talent for Ajax, why were Ajax content to see him leave without offering him a senior contract?
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@walnuts
Have to disagree. Any player breaking through that young has to go overseas imo. He wouldn’t have got anything more than rotational minutes for us that season, and Ajax are the type of club you don’t say no to.
The important part is that he’s realised that youth football can only take you so far, and now will be coming back to compete for a spot (hopefully a better player). He’s still only 19 and has his whole career ahead of him.
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Benjamin
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+xHad the potential to be a Vuck legend and threw it all away to play reserves football in Holland. What a waste - another in a long line of young players (Da Silva, Yeboah etc etc) who have harmed their development by choosing reserves football in Europe over first team action in Australia. Yeah... Kids... Stop showing ambition. Stick where you're safe. Sit on the bench at Victory waiting for a regular place - you'll learn far more under Musky and Co. than you ever would at a nothing club like Ajax. We all know which club has the better record for developing young talent...
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on loan?
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walnuts
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Had the potential to be a Vuck legend and threw it all away to play reserves football in Holland. What a waste - another in a long line of young players (Da Silva, Yeboah etc etc) who have harmed their development by choosing reserves football in Europe over first team action in Australia.
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RedKat
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+xoh well another great young hope back home For all the "players are soft for coming back rather than sticking it out" we forget probably how many players never reached their potential because there was no local league to come back to. I think any move that gets Pasquali regular minutes is a good one.
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oh well another great young hope back home
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Western United, the A-League's newest franchise, is believed to have signed former Melbourne Victory teen sensation Sebastian Pasquali for its first season in the competition. Pasquali made a huge impact when still a 16-year-old at Melbourne Victory when he played against Juventus in the 2016 International Champions Cup, a pre-season tournament involving the Italian giants, Atletico Madrid and English Premier League club Tottenham. Pasquali made his first-team debut for Victory in the Melbourne derby in October 2016, but instead of graduating to Victory's first-team squad and signing a longer-term contract, he opted to move to Europe. See more: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/western-united-swoop-on-ex-victory-s-pasquali-20190304-p511jd.html
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