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Munrubenmuz - 8 Jun 2019 3:17 PM
How hard is it to scroll past the garbage and engage only the posters you want.

Muz, I know we occasionally exchange some ‘healthy’ banter, but this is so spot on. Nailed it.
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I still browse the site and forum most nights.

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Looking at these comments quite a few want more tactical analysis and stats. 

I found the old threads I used to do took  up to 15 hours by the time everything was loaded onto 442. Also, interest declined. 

Recently, I’ve done much briefer ones with plenty of analysis, but only attacking stats, which is probably Aus’s weakness ATM. 

Kudos to Melb City Guy for creating a general tactics  thread. 
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Decentric - 8 Jun 2019 11:45 PM
Looking at these comments quite a few want more tactical analysis and stats. 

I found the old threads I used to do took  up to 15 hours by the time everything was loaded onto 442. Also, interest declined. 

Recently, I’ve done much briefer ones with plenty of analysis, but only attacking stats, which is probably Aus’s weakness ATM. 

Kudos to Melb City Guy for creating a general tactics  thread. 

Imagine thanking your multi.


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JoyfulPenguin - 7 Jun 2019 10:24 AM
Munrubenmuz - 7 Jun 2019 8:52 AM

I never applied nor expressed any desire to be a Moderator, I simply reported a post to Kevin Airs on Twitter because it got laughed off on here and no action was taken, despite if it was reported to the police Inside Sport and the poster would have been in significant legal trouble.To be clear it was Kevin Airs who decided to delete those threads and give warnings and bans to who he did. Honestly, people need to be able to engage with the site, and trolling and vattacks mean a lot of people simply can't, it shouldn't be a mental endurance test to find information and talk to people about Australian football. The incessant trolling and personal attacking of anyone with a minority view drove me away for a long time despite watching nearly every A-League game season by season and it continues to drive away posters from other places. It keeps away a majority of the posters from CCM.net despite them wanting to engage with other football fans, and if this place is mentioned on Twitter all that is talked about is how toxic it is . A fair majority of the trolling and attacks are against the terms and conditions of use of this website.

I have never advanced myself as a Moderator either, JP. 

I hadn’t visited 442 for about a month, until last Tuesday. 
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Decentric - 8 Jun 2019 11:52 PM
JoyfulPenguin - 7 Jun 2019 10:24 AM

I have never advanced myself as a Moderator either, JP. 

I hadn’t visited 442 for about a month, until last Tuesday. 

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Stay on topic please. 
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I think I googled 'socceroos forum' before some qualifier and ended up here. It seemed more active than any other Aussie football forums. I hung around for the national team discussion and then developed a habit of checking out the threads almost daily. Now I've fallen out of habit again, but the game last night reminded me of you guys, so here I am! 

I was disappointed by the constant, CONSTANT negativity around Australian football on here. It really gets kind of depressing, which I guess is why I stopped coming here regularly. 
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CanberraHarry - 6 Jun 2019 10:10 PM
I joined way back in the early 442 days, when Joffa was the inspiration. I was here under another name, which also had Canberra in the title, for a few years, then with no Canberra side in the A-League, drifted away. I came back after a number of years away in the long lead up to the last World Cup, maybe in mid-2017,  as I love the Socceroos and also for the discussion around Canberra possibly getting into the A-League again. I have no interest in the A-League now and only am interested in the Socceroos. When i have tuned in lately, I have noticed an awful lot of bitter twisted freaks, pushing all sorts of nasty political crap. Both left and right wingers. They should bugger off and find a political forum. I don’t, sadly, have any ideas how to energise the forum but will give it some thought.

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I've mentioned this before, but an easy way for new members would be to recruit fellow team-mates from those players in football  and futsal teams.

Someone also mentioned in this thread that one poster was a female.  There are also many female football players and teams as well. Anyone in any clubs/teams, could also try and recruit some female footballers to the forum.

Also, we have had  a few administrators and  club presidents on 442. It might not be a bad idea for administrators or even players advertising the existence of 442 in club newsletters or on  websites about the existence of a an Aussie football forum.

That is also where I can see some merit in JLM's suggestion that state league football is fused with Australian football. He , or someone else might also have suggested amalgamating international football section with Australian football too. Hence, this section could be termed general a football discussion, until, and if, numbers increase again.
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I'm not sure if it can be uploaded, but could we have more posters posting a brief articles about their clubs/teams, with an accompanying video or photos?

If taken  on board,  I'll post  a brief outline  for  a proforma for questions to be posted to stakeholders in clubs to carry this out.
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clockwork orange - 8 Jun 2019 6:44 PM
Munrubenmuz - 8 Jun 2019 3:17 PM

Muz, I know we occasionally exchange some ‘healthy’ banter, but this is so spot on. Nailed it.

I definitely understand what you're getting at. The vast majority of the time I simply scroll past the shitposting and don't engage. The problem is that some people do engage, and the back and forth that ensues takes up the majority of the posts on some threads. When you click on a thread that is already 4 pages deep, and by the second page, you're mostly just reading irrelevant shitposting, I tend to feel the thread is a waste of time and click out. If you want to talk about falling engagement on the forum, it's hard to believe those kinds of posts, which are barely above Vietnamese spam selling fake passports, aren't contributing to that fall.

If the whole forum had an attitude of ignoring those posts, it would be a simple thing to scroll by one post, the problem is that those posts are the beginning of a derailment.
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When I think  about it, club stakeholders, administrators, coaches, players, etc, form country and suburban clubs up  to NPL, love their clubs receiving publicity.

If any articles published are here, with accompanying  photos or videos, we should get quite a few new recruits. The particular club can often advertise internally  to observe what is elucidated about their club on a national forum like this.

 From this some new recruits  may be induced to stay on 442.

A mate of mine has run a huge blog/forum confined to football in one particular state. It has been a resounding success.
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maxxie - 9 Jun 2019 9:47 AM
clockwork orange - 8 Jun 2019 6:44 PM

I definitely understand what you're getting at. The vast majority of the time I simply scroll past the shitposting and don't engage. The problem is that some people do engage, and the back and forth that ensues takes up the majority of the posts on some threads. When you click on a thread that is already 4 pages deep, and by the second page, you're mostly just reading irrelevant shitposting, I tend to feel the thread is a waste of time and click out. If you want to talk about falling engagement on the forum, it's hard to believe those kinds of posts, which are barely above Vietnamese spam selling fake passports, aren't contributing to that fall.

If the whole forum had an attitude of ignoring those posts, it would be a simple thing to scroll by one post, the problem is that those posts are the beginning of a derailment.

The point is Maxxie - no one has the right to say which posts others should or should not engage with. I know I engage on issues I feel strongly about and I expect you do too. But we probably don’t feel strongly about the same things. I wouldn’t dream of telling you not to respond to something just so it was easier for me to find the things I wanted to read.
If you feel the thread is a waste of time, then click off and start a new one on a topic you want to talk about. If others want to engage with you they will, or else they won’t. 
For me the threads where people are passionately presenting conflicting views with back and forth arguments (not insults) are some of the best. 
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Lol for a mod to still call this 442. Depsite k.a having to return the name to the British owners then you know you're  living in an echo chamber
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And this will be my final input on this thread: Fellas, I do think you are overthinking this. Forums are interesting and therefore popular, when there is lots of things to talk about. If members don’t start threads and offer opinions on things then it will die. Controversial opinions are what generate discussion. Yes, some people will strongly argue the opposite, but as long as it’s not horrendous insults, that’s a good thing. 
Just start threads, give your opinions and don’t be too precious. You will never be everyone’s friend on a football forum. 
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WolfShark - 6 Jun 2019 10:54 PM
I'm a first time poster, but I have been lurking these forums for almost four years. 

1. How did you initially discover the forums?

Four years ago, I was looking for information about A-League expansion and the "A-League Expansion" thread was one of the things that came up in my search results. I decided to browse through the thread and as a result, I've been lurking this forum since. 

2. What’s kept you around?

Interesting topics.

3. Any ideas for acquiring new users?

I can't speak from other people's perspectives, but for me personally, the one thing that discouraged me from creating an account on here sooner is the hostile, troll-like behaviour that quite often occurs on these boards. It's a real turn off. For instance, there's a sizable minority on here who constantly talk sh*t about the "mono-ethnic" NSL/NPL clubs and post the same, repetitive garbage about how they are not open to people of different ancestries. I realise that people have their own opinions and I respect that, but there's no need to shove your views down other people's throats and disregard the viewpoints raised by others. To be fair, that doesn't happen as much now, but it used to plague these boards back in 2015-2017 and that was the main reason as to why I didn't create an account at the time. Those "new nuvu dawner" comments are a real turn-off as well.

If the moderators/admins stamped out the troll behaviour that occurs on these boards, the forum would gain more new members. I'm sure of that. I enjoy reading most of the posts made on this site, but there's a few on here who ruin the forum for everyone. 

Welcome to the forum, Wolf Shark.

Thanks for your input.
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clockwork orange - 9 Jun 2019 10:19 AM
And this will be my final input on this thread: Fellas, I do think you are overthinking this. Forums are interesting and therefore popular, when there is lots of things to talk about. If members don’t start threads and offer opinions on things then it will die. Controversial opinions are what generate discussion. Yes, some people will strongly argue the opposite, but as long as it’s not horrendous insults, that’s a good thing. 
Just start threads, give your opinions and don’t be too precious. You will never be everyone’s friend on a football forum. 

Well said.





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To me, the move to Inside Sport killed off a lot of traffic almost overnight. 
The multis and especially the trolls also don't help, they are why TWG forum died. I think that is the biggest thing the mods/admins here can fix.
I like the idea of merging some of the forums to condense the traffic/conversations but I'm not sure how realistic that is.

Some of it also stems from less interest in the A-League and 'Roos overall which you can't do much about. With the expansion, a second tier and new stadium/s hopefully we'll see new fans join up and maybe some old regulars come back.
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1. found it looking up NT analysis

2. it's somewhere to discuss football. although most threads get derailed. but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

3. stop flooding the threads with articles from inside sport.  sometimes it seems like there are only 1 or 2 non article related threads created on the first couple pages. create a new sub forum for inside sport articles - this has also killed the world football forum. maybe switch them into the appropriate forum eg australian football if they are getting some traction. otherwise you have mountains of inside sport article threads that no one is using.

3. update the the 'clubs thread and topics of interest' sticky. the o.p. in that post should be a better way to access content. Keep it updated.  there is still a melbourne heart link....

3. an upvoting system to support better analysis and user content.  there are on occasions some amazing game and football industry analysis and this is the most interesting part of football media for anyone with more than a glancing interest.   some users also really put an effort into making some really insightful and informed posts - industry, tactical analysis, player movements.  an up voting system with response branches like reddit would make it easier to follow decent contributions.  once a thread reaches a few pages i have to wade through mountains of shit to find anything I want to read or find responses to comments I make. this really kills it.

3. also upvoting forumites and highlighting user favourite contributors would be a really good way for us to find people that say things we are actually interested in. downvoting should be avoided because trolls would just hack at it.

an upvoting system for users and content would make the best of this forum easily accessible. that will attract people. having to wade though crap is not something that is going to be very appealing to new - or lost - forumites.

3. if mods delete posts state it in the actual post and say why. 

3. the search bar is fkn useless.  ive used it a bunch of times trying to find threads that i wanted access to and couldnt find the,. not being able to find the thread you are interested in is a big problem

 




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people keep talking about troll behaviour
where is it??
there are hardly any posters of any description, never mind rampant troll behaviour

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bettega - 9 Jun 2019 11:32 AM
people keep talking about troll behaviour
where is it??
there are hardly any posters of any description, never mind rampant troll behaviour

there's doesn't seem to be too much typical trolling. it seems more to be people that hunt other forumites and harass them.  there's a bit of baiting as well, but that is hardly an issue.  there's a bit of repetitive cut and paste posting which is funny for a bit but gets dull pretty quick. eg, the slap in the face to the neuvo new noob yawner posts. 

 




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There has been lot of really good stuff posted, guys.

Thanks.

Keep it  coming! 
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inala brah - 9 Jun 2019 11:37 AM
bettega - 9 Jun 2019 11:32 AM

there's doesn't seem to be too much typical trolling. it seems more to be people that hunt other forumites and harass them.  there's a bit of baiting as well, but that is hardly an issue.  there's a bit of repetitive cut and paste posting which is funny for a bit but gets dull pretty quick. eg, the slap in the face to the neuvo new noob yawner posts. 

ok, so there is one bloke repeating the same line, and it stopped being funny a long time ago, but it's hardly a reason for banning someone.

ON another thread, there are two or three blokes, with barely 100 posts between them insisting that someone with 7k posts be banned.

We can do without that sort of nonsense.  I reckon that's worse than the imagined trolling.

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inala brah - 9 Jun 2019 11:29 AM
1. found it looking up NT analysis

2. it's somewhere to discuss football. although most threads get derailed. but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

3. stop flooding the threads with articles from inside sport.  sometimes it seems like there are only 1 or 2 non article related threads created on the first couple pages. create a new sub forum for inside sport articles - this has also killed the world football forum. maybe switch them into the appropriate forum eg australian football if they are getting some traction. otherwise you have mountains of inside sport article threads that no one is using.

3. update the the 'clubs thread and topics of interest' sticky. the o.p. in that post should be a better way to access content. Keep it updated.  there is still a melbourne heart link....

3. an upvoting system to support better analysis and user content.  there are on occasions some amazing game and football industry analysis and this is the most interesting part of football media for anyone with more than a glancing interest.   some users also really put an effort into making some really insightful and informed posts - industry, tactical analysis, player movements.  an up voting system with response branches like reddit would make it easier to follow decent contributions.  once a thread reaches a few pages i have to wade through mountains of shit to find anything I want to read or find responses to comments I make. this really kills it.

3. also upvoting forumites and highlighting user favourite contributors would be a really good way for us to find people that say things we are actually interested in. downvoting should be avoided because trolls would just hack at it.

an upvoting system for users and content would make the best of this forum easily accessible. that will attract people. having to wade though crap is not something that is going to be very appealing to new - or lost - forumites.


3. if mods delete posts state it in the actual post and say why. 

3. the search bar is fkn useless.  ive used it a bunch of times trying to find threads that i wanted access to and couldnt find the,. not being able to find the thread you are interested in is a big problem

1. Glancing love that word, glancing header,, glancing user

2. Upvoting is in NodeBB. Called a 'reputation' system. You can up or down vote a post - automatically bans user who has negative rep. Also a gamerfication plugin to spice things up. points+levels just on general posting 


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highkick05 - 9 Jun 2019 3:37 PM
inala brah - 9 Jun 2019 11:29 AM

1. Glancing love that word, glancing header,, glancing user

2. Upvoting is in NodeBB. Called a 'reputation' system. You can up or down vote a post - automatically bans user who has negative rep. Also a gamerfication plugin to spice things up. points+levels just on general posting 

Autobanning?! WTF?  Swim against the tide, get into an unpopular argument, be subject to a "witch hunt" or have an unpopular tagline and you get given the auto-arse?

Congratulations you've just created an FFA approved active support 442 forum.






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Munrubenmuz - 9 Jun 2019 7:38 PM
highkick05 - 9 Jun 2019 3:37 PM

Autobanning?! WTF?  Swim against the tide, get into an unpopular argument, be subject to a "witch hunt" or have an unpopular tagline and you get given the auto-arse?

Congratulations you've just created an FFA approved active support 442 forum.




I wonder if I could get auto-banned for creating a toxic environment?
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clockwork orange - 9 Jun 2019 7:49 PM
Munrubenmuz - 9 Jun 2019 7:38 PM

I wonder if I could get auto-banned for creating a toxic environment?

Perhaps a survey is in order?


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inala brah - 9 Jun 2019 11:29 AM

1. Glancing love that word, glancing header,, glancing user

2. Upvoting is in NodeBB. Called a 'reputation' system. You can up or down vote a post - automatically bans user who has negative rep. Also a gamerfication plugin to spice things up. points+levels just on general posting 

down voting only invites bullying and troll taking over. if a post is that bad mods can deal with it.  up voting just helps to raise decent posts and reputable forumites.

 




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Munrubenmuz - 9 Jun 2019 7:38 PM
highkick05 - 9 Jun 2019 3:37 PM

Autobanning?! WTF?  Swim against the tide, get into an unpopular argument, be subject to a "witch hunt" or have an unpopular tagline and you get given the auto-arse?

Congratulations you've just created an FFA approved active support 442 forum.




you can turn it off, it's not mandatory. A cool feature nonetheless


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