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Only a month now until the famous Ashes. So who is in for us and who is out? Lets take a look first at the openers. Evidently Warner is a lock for one spot..so his partner will be drawn from either Marcus Harris, Joe Burns, or Cameron Bancroft. Bancroft is the only one of the three currently playing Dukes red ball cricket.. so is the current front runner.. Harris is the incumbent so deserves to retain his spot. Burns big ton against Sri Lanka is putting pressure on both. Cameron Bancroft gets my vote.
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+xOnly a month now until the famous Ashes. So who is in for us and who is out? Lets take a look first at the openers. Evidently Warner is a lock for one spot..so his partner will be drawn from either Marcus Harris, Joe Burns, or Cameron Bancroft. Bancroft is the only one of the three currently playing Dukes red ball cricket.. so is the current front runner.. Harris is the incumbent so deserves to retain his spot. Burns big ton against Sri Lanka is putting pressure on both. Cameron Bancroft gets my vote. Bit of a dilemma there, Baggers. A few have good cases.
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So what would you 16 man squads be? Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne Paine Cummins Starc Hazlewood Lyon Burns Patterson/ Pucovski/ Wade Wade/ Carey Pattinson Bird/Holland So thats 19 players. The Australia/Australia A fixture is going to be a 24 player non-first class match to give everyone a chance. Interesting to see who the other 5 are. Id guess Bancroft, Handscomb, S.Marsh, Tremain, Siddle,
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Marnus Labushagne has been batting beautifully in county cricket. Just remember one thing... he has been playing Div 2 of the County Championship, not Div 1.
There's a big gap in quality. Quite a few Aussie batsmen (e.g. the Marshes) have put on clinics against Div 2 teams and then been found out in the Ashes where they face Jimmy Anderson, Stuart Broad, etc. This series you can add Jofra Archer to England's attack.
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Early call
My XI for Edgbaston
Warner
Harris
Khawaja
Smith
Head
Labushagne
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Pattinson
Lyon
Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI.
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+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies
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+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Hazlewood, imo, isn't as good as James Pattinson. Pattinson's a more prolific strike bowler who can alter the complexion of a game in half a session. Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. As for Alex Carey... he's a solid option. But his f/c batting average isn't too flash. He's further down the pecking order than the other batsmen, imo. Happy to be proved wrong about him or Hazlewood, though.
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+x+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. Okay, I’d (perhaps wrongly) assumed JH had been left out of the W Cup squad to save him for the Ashes. Felt sorry for Darren Pattinson when he got brought in from nowhere for that Test vs the saffers.
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+x+x+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. Okay, I’d (perhaps wrongly) assumed JH had been left out of the W Cup squad to save him for the Ashes. Felt sorry for Darren Pattinson when he got brought in from nowhere for that Test vs the saffers. You mightn’t be wrong about that at all. Hazlewood may well start at Edgbaston. I’m just saying which XI I’d select. I think Pattinson is a better bowler than Hazlewood. And he has been bowling nicely. Cummins should be selected on account of his consistency. He’s the only Aussie seamer who has been consistent, really. Starc... against India there was an argument for dropping him. And I’m not sold as he goes missing, too. But his form has been really decent. That means leaving out Hazlewood, imo. Unless they drop a batsman and play Cummins as a bowling all-rounder. But I think Australia’s batting is too shaky to do that.
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+x+x+x+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. Okay, I’d (perhaps wrongly) assumed JH had been left out of the W Cup squad to save him for the Ashes. Felt sorry for Darren Pattinson when he got brought in from nowhere for that Test vs the saffers. You mightn’t be wrong about that at all. Hazlewood may well start at Edgbaston. I’m just saying which XI I’d select. I think Pattinson is a better bowler than Hazlewood. And he has been bowling nicely. Cummins should be selected on account of his consistency. Cummins & Pattinson fit for whole Ashes would be a massive bonus for you lot I would think, just occurred to me that if Archer’s side injury limits his appearances, Wood’s dodgy ankle Flares up once more, Stokes runs lame mid match yet again and Jimmy’s injury he picked up for Lancs doesn’t heal quick we could be relying far too much on a certain ‘medium paced bowler’ much loved by Australian media and fans alike :-)
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+x+x+x+x+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. Okay, I’d (perhaps wrongly) assumed JH had been left out of the W Cup squad to save him for the Ashes. Felt sorry for Darren Pattinson when he got brought in from nowhere for that Test vs the saffers. You mightn’t be wrong about that at all. Hazlewood may well start at Edgbaston. I’m just saying which XI I’d select. I think Pattinson is a better bowler than Hazlewood. And he has been bowling nicely. Cummins should be selected on account of his consistency. Cummins & Pattinson fit for whole Ashes would be a massive bonus for you lot I would think, just occurred to me that if Archer’s side injury limits his appearances, Wood’s dodgy ankle Flares up once more, Stokes runs lame mid match yet again and Jimmy’s injury he picked up for Lancs doesn’t heal quick we could be relying far too much on a certain ‘medium paced bowler’ much loved by Australian media and fans alike :-) Heres hoping both Cummins and Pattinson remain fit. Is Archer being considered for the Ashes? How is Jimmy's injury/. Are there any young quicks putting up their hand for selection? I have been watching the A matches and I dont see anyone there.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. Okay, I’d (perhaps wrongly) assumed JH had been left out of the W Cup squad to save him for the Ashes. Felt sorry for Darren Pattinson when he got brought in from nowhere for that Test vs the saffers. You mightn’t be wrong about that at all. Hazlewood may well start at Edgbaston. I’m just saying which XI I’d select. I think Pattinson is a better bowler than Hazlewood. And he has been bowling nicely. Cummins should be selected on account of his consistency. Cummins & Pattinson fit for whole Ashes would be a massive bonus for you lot I would think, just occurred to me that if Archer’s side injury limits his appearances, Wood’s dodgy ankle Flares up once more, Stokes runs lame mid match yet again and Jimmy’s injury he picked up for Lancs doesn’t heal quick we could be relying far too much on a certain ‘medium paced bowler’ much loved by Australian media and fans alike :-) Heres hoping both Cummins and Pattinson remain fit. Is Archer being considered for the Ashes? How is Jimmy's injury/. Are there any young quicks putting up their hand for selection? I have been watching the A matches and I dont see anyone there. Archer is pencilled in if fit/not in need of a rest - the Ireland match on 24th may well be a Test trial so to speak. Vic Marks has Jimmy down as a serious doubt for first Ashes Test with that low grade calf muscle tear which is keeping him out of two more championship matches... Sam Curran is ready to play a part and I guess Woakes or even Plunkett could come back into the Test fold. Anyway injuries often play a significant part in condensed five match series so it should be eventful all round
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+x+x+x+x+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. Okay, I’d (perhaps wrongly) assumed JH had been left out of the W Cup squad to save him for the Ashes. Felt sorry for Darren Pattinson when he got brought in from nowhere for that Test vs the saffers. You mightn’t be wrong about that at all. Hazlewood may well start at Edgbaston. I’m just saying which XI I’d select. I think Pattinson is a better bowler than Hazlewood. And he has been bowling nicely. Cummins should be selected on account of his consistency. Cummins & Pattinson fit for whole Ashes would be a massive bonus for you lot I would think, just occurred to me that if Archer’s side injury limits his appearances, Wood’s dodgy ankle Flares up once more, Stokes runs lame mid match yet again and Jimmy’s injury he picked up for Lancs doesn’t heal quick we could be relying far too much on a certain ‘medium paced bowler’ much loved by Australian media and fans alike :-) Yeah both sides are surely quite fearful of injuries preventing players from being match-fit for the entire series. Frankly, I think England are favourites. With respect, I don't think England are anything too special at present. But I do think Australia are that bad. Particularly with rather brittle batting as soon as there's the slightest bit of lateral movement. Australia rely too heavily on their bowling. And based on the India series (at home), as soon as things started going against them, Starc and Hazlewood become fairly innocuous. Indeed, Starc ends up chucking tanties when things aren't going his way. This is exactly the kind of attitude bowlers shouldn't have when they're playing cricket in England. They need to be pitching the ball up in that corridor of uncertainty for the batsman. The Aussie bowlers need to be very disciplined to have a hope. With the Aussie batsmen, I think Smith is fine. Warner is patchy against the moving ball. And I'm not sold on any of the others. Australia needs to have its best batsmen competing in Div 1 of the County Championship for a solid season before the Ashes in order to be in the right place to outbat England. And that hasn't been happening. Plus, Stuart Broad has a most annoying habit. He can be useless against plenty of opponents. But against Australia, he ends up bowling these lethal spells.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEarly call My XI for Edgbaston Warner Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labushagne Paine Cummins Starc Pattinson Lyon Almost tempted to have Patterson playing instead of Khawaja, frankly, but it's much of a muchness and Usman has experience. Enough tour matches ahead to alter that XI. Excuse my lack of knowledge as I’ve not folowed the form but where’s Hazlewood? Can Carey be squeezed in somewhere? England have played with three wickies Josh Hazlewood is very good. But he can go missing for ages. And, when he has played at Test level, he hasn't quite been as prolific as Pattinson. The main issue has been Pattinson's injuries. Touch wood. He's in great form right now, though. David Saker used to be the England bowling coach. He tried to convince Pattinson to pledge allegiance to England like his brother, Darren. Darren has been capped at Test level for England. There's a reason for England's attempt to lock in James Pattinson; he's bloody good. Although if Hazlewood had a British passport, I suppose England might have tried to cap him too. Okay, I’d (perhaps wrongly) assumed JH had been left out of the W Cup squad to save him for the Ashes. Felt sorry for Darren Pattinson when he got brought in from nowhere for that Test vs the saffers. You mightn’t be wrong about that at all. Hazlewood may well start at Edgbaston. I’m just saying which XI I’d select. I think Pattinson is a better bowler than Hazlewood. And he has been bowling nicely. Cummins should be selected on account of his consistency. Cummins & Pattinson fit for whole Ashes would be a massive bonus for you lot I would think, just occurred to me that if Archer’s side injury limits his appearances, Wood’s dodgy ankle Flares up once more, Stokes runs lame mid match yet again and Jimmy’s injury he picked up for Lancs doesn’t heal quick we could be relying far too much on a certain ‘medium paced bowler’ much loved by Australian media and fans alike :-) Yeah both sides are surely quite fearful of injuries preventing players from being match-fit for the entire series. Frankly, I think England are favourites. With respect, I don't think England are anything too special at present. But I do think Australia are that bad. Particularly with rather brittle batting as soon as there's the slightest bit of lateral movement. Australia rely too heavily on their bowling. And based on the India series (at home), as soon as things started going against them, Starc and Hazlewood become fairly innocuous. Indeed, Starc ends up chucking tanties when things aren't going his way. This is exactly the kind of attitude bowlers shouldn't have when they're playing cricket in England. They need to be pitching the ball up in that corridor of uncertainty for the batsman. The Aussie bowlers need to be very disciplined to have a hope. With the Aussie batsmen, I think Smith is fine. Warner is patchy against the moving ball. And I'm not sold on any of the others. Australia needs to have its best batsmen competing in Div 1 of the County Championship for a solid season before the Ashes in order to be in the right place to outbat England. And that hasn't been happening. Plus, Stuart Broad has a most annoying habit. He can be useless against plenty of opponents. But against Australia, he ends up bowling these lethal spells. Quality post from a quality poster, Baggers. You know a bit about the game!
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Yeah the situation sucked for Darren Pattinson. I feel sorry for him.
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+xYeah the situation sucked for Darren Pattinson. I feel sorry for him. Even his own Pommy dad stated that he was a fair dinkum Aussie Actually he bowled decently vs S Africa with that easily repeated action of his, didn’t have much luck really, took just 2 wkts
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my 11. I'm giving starc a rest for the first game. Carried our world cup team with a niggle. Hazelwoods form has been off for a bit
Warner
Burns
Khawaja
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Labu
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replace the worst performing bowler with starc in the 2nd game. I just wonder if he needs a game off
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To put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context.
Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship.
Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship.
Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship.
I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches.
So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea.
Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different.
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+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some interesting comments made in this post.
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+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. It is no secret that Australia has a weakness against the moving ball..and boy do the England bowlers prey on that weakness. CA will not care whether Bancroft and Labuchagne are getting red ball runs against Div 2 teams.. they are getting these runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball. The same ball that will be used in the 5 match Ashes series. Warner has been making merry with white ball runs.. but put him up against a ball that only moves fractionally off the seam or in the air and he struggles. So why is he an automatic selection when we have other openers in good red ball form in English conditions? Australia need batsmen who play the ball late or leave accordingly.. not blokes who flash at wide balls.. whether there is lateral movement or not. We need batsmen who move their feet and play the ball under their eyeline in both attack and defense not push away from their body. We need batsmen who are going to put a lofty price on their wicket. In short we need discipline in our batting lineup. Our bowlers need to bowl at a different length to what they bowl at home. The secret is to bowl fuller and let whatever is in the deck do its job. Again the prime requisite is discipline. If Australia presents England with 11 disciplined cricketers.. we can win this series.
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+x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. Warner has been making merry with white ball runs.. but put him up against a ball that only moves fractionally off the seam or in the air and he struggles. So why is he an automatic selection when we have other openers in good red ball form in English conditions? Very good point!
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+x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. CA will not care whether Bancroft and Labuchagne are getting red ball runs against Div 2 teams.. they are getting these runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball. The same ball that will be used in the 5 match Ashes series. I respectfully disagree, Baggers (if you're saying that CA shouldn't care that the runs are against Div 2 teams). They're getting runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball against very average bowling attacks. I suggest you have look at the scorecards for the tour matches of the last UK tour. You'll find that a bunch of batsmen (including the Marshes) scored buckets of runs 'in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball' against Div 2 sides before getting destroyed by Anderson and Broad. There's a world of difference between scoring runs against crappy Div 2 bowlers and scoring runs against Anderson and Broad. The former probably won't be able to test out the batsman's weaknesses with lateral movement. They'll also bowl at least a couple of loose deliveries each over. But Anderson and Broad (and Archer and maybe Wood) will target those weaknesses. +x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. Australia need batsmen who play the ball late or leave accordingly.. not blokes who flash at wide balls.. whether there is lateral movement or not. We need batsmen who move their feet and play the ball under their eyeline in both attack and defense not push away from their body. We need batsmen who are going to put a lofty price on their wicket. In short we need discipline in our batting lineup. Our bowlers need to bowl at a different length to what they bowl at home. The secret is to bowl fuller and let whatever is in the deck do its job. Again the prime requisite is discipline. If Australia presents England with 11 disciplined cricketers.. we can win this series. Agree entirely!! Based on this tour match, I'd say Travis Head is making a good case. With bowlers, I'm concerned about Mitchell Starc's ill-discipline.
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+x+x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. CA will not care whether Bancroft and Labuchagne are getting red ball runs against Div 2 teams.. they are getting these runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball. The same ball that will be used in the 5 match Ashes series. I respectfully disagree, Baggers (if you're saying that CA shouldn't care that the runs are against Div 2 teams). They're getting runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball against very average bowling attacks. I suggest you have look at the scorecards for the tour matches of the last UK tour. You'll find that a bunch of batsmen (including the Marshes) scored buckets of runs 'in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball' against Div 2 sides before getting destroyed by Anderson and Broad. There's a world of difference between scoring runs against crappy Div 2 bowlers and scoring runs against Anderson and Broad. The former probably won't be able to test out the batsman's weaknesses with lateral movement. They'll also bowl at least a couple of loose deliveries each over. But Anderson and Broad (and Archer and maybe Wood) will target those weaknesses. +x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. Australia need batsmen who play the ball late or leave accordingly.. not blokes who flash at wide balls.. whether there is lateral movement or not. We need batsmen who move their feet and play the ball under their eyeline in both attack and defense not push away from their body. We need batsmen who are going to put a lofty price on their wicket. In short we need discipline in our batting lineup. Our bowlers need to bowl at a different length to what they bowl at home. The secret is to bowl fuller and let whatever is in the deck do its job. Again the prime requisite is discipline. If Australia presents England with 11 disciplined cricketers.. we can win this series. Agree entirely!! Based on this tour match, I'd say Travis Head is making a good case. With bowlers, I'm concerned about Mitchell Starc's ill-discipline. quickflick. I recall the tour games last Ashes very well. Were against inferior attacks as that was likely a ECB directive. In none of the games was their top side picked and the decks were clearly doctored to elicit run making. I have watched several of these warm up matches on this tour and the bowling is far from crappy or even average. One or two.. if not mistaken are in the present Lions attack. The decks are not doctored either.. with good pace and movement for all the bowlers.
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+x+x+x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. CA will not care whether Bancroft and Labuchagne are getting red ball runs against Div 2 teams.. they are getting these runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball. The same ball that will be used in the 5 match Ashes series. I respectfully disagree, Baggers (if you're saying that CA shouldn't care that the runs are against Div 2 teams). They're getting runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball against very average bowling attacks. I suggest you have look at the scorecards for the tour matches of the last UK tour. You'll find that a bunch of batsmen (including the Marshes) scored buckets of runs 'in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball' against Div 2 sides before getting destroyed by Anderson and Broad. There's a world of difference between scoring runs against crappy Div 2 bowlers and scoring runs against Anderson and Broad. The former probably won't be able to test out the batsman's weaknesses with lateral movement. They'll also bowl at least a couple of loose deliveries each over. But Anderson and Broad (and Archer and maybe Wood) will target those weaknesses. +x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. Australia need batsmen who play the ball late or leave accordingly.. not blokes who flash at wide balls.. whether there is lateral movement or not. We need batsmen who move their feet and play the ball under their eyeline in both attack and defense not push away from their body. We need batsmen who are going to put a lofty price on their wicket. In short we need discipline in our batting lineup. Our bowlers need to bowl at a different length to what they bowl at home. The secret is to bowl fuller and let whatever is in the deck do its job. Again the prime requisite is discipline. If Australia presents England with 11 disciplined cricketers.. we can win this series. Agree entirely!! Based on this tour match, I'd say Travis Head is making a good case. With bowlers, I'm concerned about Mitchell Starc's ill-discipline. quickflick. I recall the tour games last Ashes very well. Were against inferior attacks as that was likely a ECB directive. In none of the games was their top side picked and the decks were clearly doctored to elicit run making. I have watched several of these warm up matches on this tour and the bowling is far from crappy or even average. One or two.. if not mistaken are in the present Lions attack. The decks are not doctored either.. with good pace and movement for all the bowlers. As for Div 2 Labuchagne who has 1000 county runs already for Glamorgan and Bancroft who is scoring runs and captaining Durham are not profiting from crappy or inferior attacks. Check out some footage.
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+x+x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. CA will not care whether Bancroft and Labuchagne are getting red ball runs against Div 2 teams.. they are getting these runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball. The same ball that will be used in the 5 match Ashes series. I respectfully disagree, Baggers (if you're saying that CA shouldn't care that the runs are against Div 2 teams). They're getting runs in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball against very average bowling attacks. I suggest you have look at the scorecards for the tour matches of the last UK tour. You'll find that a bunch of batsmen (including the Marshes) scored buckets of runs 'in unfamiliar conditions with an unfamiliar ball' against Div 2 sides before getting destroyed by Anderson and Broad. There's a world of difference between scoring runs against crappy Div 2 bowlers and scoring runs against Anderson and Broad. The former probably won't be able to test out the batsman's weaknesses with lateral movement. They'll also bowl at least a couple of loose deliveries each over. But Anderson and Broad (and Archer and maybe Wood) will target those weaknesses. +x+x+xTo put the Labushagne, Bancroft and Australia A successes into context. Labushagne's side (Glamorgan) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Bancroft's side (Durham) is in Div 2 of the County Championship. Sussex is also in Div 2 of the County Championship. I recall Mitch Marsh scoring runs for fun against Div 2 teams on tour matches last Ashes in the UK, before being schooled by Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad in the test matches. So these successes are roughly the equivalent of the following situation: England vs Australia is coming up in a World Cup match. There are a few Aussies playing for sides such as Fulham, Burnley and Huddersfield. Those Aussies have played well against sides in the bottom half of the table but haven't actually featured against sides such as Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Against England, they will face Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Delle Ali, Harry Maguire and Jordan Pickford. There's a huge gap in quality between the teams they've succeeded against and the team they'll be facing. The personnel are entirely different. There are some good points made in this post. Australia need batsmen who play the ball late or leave accordingly.. not blokes who flash at wide balls.. whether there is lateral movement or not. We need batsmen who move their feet and play the ball under their eyeline in both attack and defense not push away from their body. We need batsmen who are going to put a lofty price on their wicket. In short we need discipline in our batting lineup. Our bowlers need to bowl at a different length to what they bowl at home. The secret is to bowl fuller and let whatever is in the deck do its job. Again the prime requisite is discipline. If Australia presents England with 11 disciplined cricketers.. we can win this series. Agree entirely!! Based on this tour match, I'd say Travis Head is making a good case. With bowlers, I'm concerned about Mitchell Starc's ill-discipline. Head will make the squad as he is an incumbent. Only injury can keep him out. We all saw Starc's ill discipline last summer. Worst I have ever seen him bowl. Showed some form if I recall but far too late. You want your best quicks firing all summer. Hazlewood was also down on wicket taking form tho as accurate as ever. James Pattinson is the first quick I am picking if I was CA. Berendorff, if he is deemed to be able to stand five days of pressure bowing with his dicky back.. is another. He can swing the ball late like Starc.. tho nowhere near as quick or lethal. At least he will give you at least 5 out of 6 accurate balls and over. I have a feeling tho the selectors will stick with the usual suspects.. So expect to see Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc saddle up for Edgbaston.
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You've made less sceptical, Baggers ;)
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My X1 for Edgbaston:
Warner
Bancroft
Smith
Ussie
Pucovski
Head
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
Hazlewood
Lyon
Res: Carey, Mitch Marsh, Labuchagne, Burns/Patterson/Harris, Starc/Tremain/Bird.
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In the same way Maxwell has unfairly not been given an opportunity in the warmup game due to one day form, Carey has been overhyped due to one day form. Carey has an average of 29 with the bat in FC and only 2 FC hundreds. Im really surprised hes being spoken about. With a squad of 16 rather than 17 set to be announced, Wade make more sense as someone who can bat (FC of 40) and take the gloves if Paine is injured
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+xIn the same way Maxwell has unfairly not been given an opportunity in the warmup game due to one day form, Carey has been overhyped due to one day form. Carey has an average of 29 with the bat in FC and only 2 FC hundreds. Im really surprised hes being spoken about. With a squad of 16 rather than 17 set to be announced, Wade make more sense as someone who can bat (FC of 40) and take the gloves if Paine is injured Carey has been seen as another CA project player.. chosen more on potential rather than performance with the bat on the back of breaking the Shield keeping record a coupla years back. I for one feel he has both talent with the gloves and bat. Yes he is being spoken of thru his white ball deeds but I see little between his scoring white ball and red ball runs. He plays according to the game situation. He and Smith dug the Aussies out of the muck in the semi.. could have been a Test match with the patience and application they displayed.
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Anyone heard if Nine is covering this?
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+xAnyone heard if Nine is covering this? Yep, it'll be either on Nine or one of their backup channels live.
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+xIt'll be interesting to see who England go with. Archer surely has to play after his world cup performances. Anderson won't be fit for game 1. I have a feeling England might give Jason Roy a go in the openers spot.Their top order has been very shaky. There's been talk of putting Joe Root up to number three to steady things. As for my XI: I know Joe Burns has had some fitness troubles but he was in top form throughout last summer. I'd go with him ahead of Harris, who I believe is still a bit vulnerable outside off. I don't know why people are calling for Carey. He is not ready to bat ahead of Tim Paine in test cricket. He had a bumper world cup but his first class average is very ordinary. I hope after the Finch experiment that we don't make the mistake of picking guys in red ball cricket on white ball form. My XI: Burns Warner Khawaja (if fit) Smith Patterson Head Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazelwood For backup players I'd have: Wade Labuschagne Harris Siddle James Pattinson/Jackson Bird Important to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. +x+xAnyone heard if Nine is covering this? Yep, it'll be either on Nine or one of their backup channels live. You certain about the coverage. Nine or Gem are not covering it. What are their other backup channels?
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+x+xIt'll be interesting to see who England go with. Archer surely has to play after his world cup performances. Anderson won't be fit for game 1. I have a feeling England might give Jason Roy a go in the openers spot.Their top order has been very shaky. There's been talk of putting Joe Root up to number three to steady things. As for my XI: I know Joe Burns has had some fitness troubles but he was in top form throughout last summer. I'd go with him ahead of Harris, who I believe is still a bit vulnerable outside off. I don't know why people are calling for Carey. He is not ready to bat ahead of Tim Paine in test cricket. He had a bumper world cup but his first class average is very ordinary. I hope after the Finch experiment that we don't make the mistake of picking guys in red ball cricket on white ball form. My XI: Burns Warner Khawaja (if fit) Smith Patterson Head Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Hazelwood For backup players I'd have: Wade Labuschagne Harris Siddle James Pattinson/Jackson Bird Important to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. +x+xAnyone heard if Nine is covering this? Yep, it'll be either on Nine or one of their backup channels live. You certain about the coverage. Nine or Gem are not covering it. What are their other backup channels? Slugger Warner goes cheaply. Is Wade keeping for the Hick12? No..his catch was at extra cover..
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+x+xAnyone heard if Nine is covering this? Yep, it'll be either on Nine or one of their backup channels live. Disregard my PM, L! Missed these posts!
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It'll be interesting to see who England go with. Archer surely has to play after his world cup performances. Anderson won't be fit for game 1.
I have a feeling England might give Jason Roy a go in the openers spot.Their top order has been very shaky. There's been talk of putting Joe Root up to number three to steady things.
As for my XI:
I know Joe Burns has had some fitness troubles but he was in top form throughout last summer. I'd go with him ahead of Harris, who I believe is still a bit vulnerable outside off.
I don't know why people are calling for Carey. He is not ready to bat ahead of Tim Paine in test cricket. He had a bumper world cup but his first class average is very ordinary. I hope after the Finch experiment that we don't make the mistake of picking guys in red ball cricket on white ball form.
My XI:
Burns
Warner
Khawaja (if fit)
Smith
Patterson
Head
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood
For backup players I'd have:
Wade
Labuschagne
Harris
Siddle
James Pattinson/Jackson Bird
Important to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets.
Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad.
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+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ?
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+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers.
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+x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. +x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. Labu has claims.
He now has big claims. Faced 81 balls top scored while wickets tumbled around him. Also coming off 1100 county runs.
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+x+x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. +x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. Labu has claims.
He now has big claims. Faced 81 balls top scored while wickets tumbled around him. Also coming off 1100 county runs. Is Neser a dark horse? Has both wickets to fall.
I posted this before I realised he was bowling on a green monster.
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+x+x+x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. +x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. Labu has claims.
He now has big claims. Faced 81 balls top scored while wickets tumbled around him. Also coming off 1100 county runs. Is Neser a dark horse? Has both wickets to fall.
I posted this before I realised he was bowling on a green monster. A truer word you've never written Baggers. So explain how Starc and Hazlewood couldn't take wicket with the new ball on this green monster? Are Burns and Bancraft that good? And if so shouldn't they be opening. Lasted 15 overs till Cummins and Siddle started to weave their magic on this green monster. I think you'll admit now Hazlewood should go home, obviously his problem back is not right. With Hazlewood and Starc experience, nearly 100 tests between them, they should be ripping this "reserve" side with the exception of Smith apart. After 15 overs Neser and Bird had the Australian batting line up 4/29.
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+x+x+x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. +x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. Labu has claims.
He now has big claims. Faced 81 balls top scored while wickets tumbled around him. Also coming off 1100 county runs. Is Neser a dark horse? Has both wickets to fall.
I posted this before I realised he was bowling on a green monster. Fifth bowling spot is out of Neser, Siddle and Bird. Siddle is the freshest with the Dukes. Neser offers plenty with the bat. Out of those two for mine.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. +x+x+xImportant to note- Labuschagne has been top of the runs list in division two this year, and has also taken 19 wickets. Siddle has taken 34 wickets in county div 1, so he should be in the squad. Labu has claims. Siddle - is he too old and not a long term option ? Good point. I see Siddle as a horses for courses selection. He has a decent county record on seaming decks and has also performed in previous English Ashes. Wud not surprise me if they went with both he and Hazlewood if the decks remain seamers. Labu has claims.
He now has big claims. Faced 81 balls top scored while wickets tumbled around him. Also coming off 1100 county runs. Is Neser a dark horse? Has both wickets to fall.
I posted this before I realised he was bowling on a green monster. Fifth bowling spot is out of Neser, Siddle and Bird. Siddle is the freshest with the Dukes. Neser offers plenty with the bat. Out of those two for mine. I dont want Starc in the top three of our attack. I 'd have any of those three before him.
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+xIt'll be interesting to see who England go with. Archer surely has to play after his world cup performances. Anderson won't be fit for game 1.
I read somewhere Jofra Archer hasn't played a FC game since last September. Does he have the stamina for Test cricket?
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I hope after the Finch experiment that we don't make the mistake of picking guys in red ball cricket on white ball form.
They always do. Like they expect blokes to slot seamlessly into red ball cricket after months of white ball. Smith and Warner have evidently not played red ball cricket for 18 months.. not even Sydney Premier Cricket.
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+xI hope after the Finch experiment that we don't make the mistake of picking guys in red ball cricket on white ball form.
They always do. Like they expect blokes to slot seamlessly into red ball cricket after months of white ball. Smith and Warner have evidently not played red ball cricket for 18 months. Is Neser a dark horse? Has both wickets to fall.
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+x+xI hope after the Finch experiment that we don't make the mistake of picking guys in red ball cricket on white ball form.
They always do. Like they expect blokes to slot seamlessly into red ball cricket after months of white ball. Smith and Warner have evidently not played red ball cricket for 18 months. Is Neser a dark horse? Has both wickets to fall. Neser bowled well at Bellerive last season, but his action takes a lot out of him. I'm not sure about his stamina? I still think Copeland should be in England too.
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Where is DC and the other boys?
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+xWhere is DC and the other boys? Here. Busy yesterday. The game between the two Aus teams is throwing up some unexpected performances.
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Incumbents in diabolical strife. Patterson also gone. The bloke I said did not have the temperament to bat #3 is holding his side together.
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+xIncumbents in diabolical strife. Patterson also gone. The bloke I said did not have the temperament to bat #3 is holding his side together. Complete carnage by the fringe bowlers. Lunch 5-64.
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I've never seen Neser bat, but have liked his bowling.
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Starc needs a rest for mine
Should have rested this match
I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon
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+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those.
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+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs.
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+x+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs. Are you watching it, Baggers? A houseful of jubilant and inebriated Paddies have just left my place.
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+x+x+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs. Are you watching it, Baggers? A houseful of jubilant and inebriated Paddies have just left my place. Who is showing it?
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+x+x+x+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs. Are you watching it, Baggers? A houseful of jubilant and inebriated Paddies have just left my place. Who is showing it? Station 501 or Fox 1. I would not have been as aware as I am, but have Irish friends who are too tight to buy a Fox subscription! They asked if they could watched it out our place last night, and my better half invited them back tonight after too many drinks! It is well worth some viewing tonight, Baggers.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs. Are you watching it, Baggers? A houseful of jubilant and inebriated Paddies have just left my place. Who is showing it? Station 501 or Fox 1. I would not have been as aware as I am, but have Irish friends who are too tight to buy a Fox subscription! They asked if they could watched it out our place last night, and my better half invited them back tonight after too many drinks! It is well worth some viewing tonight, Baggers. Yep. I am watching it now DC. The pitch not as green as yesterday. Expect England to get plenty of runs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs. Are you watching it, Baggers? A houseful of jubilant and inebriated Paddies have just left my place. Who is showing it? Station 501 or Fox 1. I would not have been as aware as I am, but have Irish friends who are too tight to buy a Fox subscription! They asked if they could watched it out our place last night, and my better half invited them back tonight after too many drinks! It is well worth some viewing tonight, Baggers. Yep. I am watching it now DC. The pitch not as green as yesterday. Expect England to get plenty of runs. The Irish bowlers dishing up boundaries at the moment..
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs. Are you watching it, Baggers? A houseful of jubilant and inebriated Paddies have just left my place. Who is showing it? Station 501 or Fox 1. I would not have been as aware as I am, but have Irish friends who are too tight to buy a Fox subscription! They asked if they could watched it out our place last night, and my better half invited them back tonight after too many drinks! It is well worth some viewing tonight, Baggers. Yep. I am watching it now DC. The pitch not as green as yesterday. Expect England to get plenty of runs. The Irish bowlers dishing up boundaries at the moment.. How come you are not posting in the Ireland/England thread, Baggers?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xStarc needs a rest for mine Should have rested this match I'd go Pattinson neser Cummins lyon Ignore above numbers. I attempted to post Hazlewood's figures. 10-4-1/20. I suspect CA will be satisfied with those. Pommies are copping a hiding at the hands of the Irish. 7-43 after 15 overs. Are you watching it, Baggers? A houseful of jubilant and inebriated Paddies have just left my place. Who is showing it? Station 501 or Fox 1. I would not have been as aware as I am, but have Irish friends who are too tight to buy a Fox subscription! They asked if they could watched it out our place last night, and my better half invited them back tonight after too many drinks! It is well worth some viewing tonight, Baggers. Yep. I am watching it now DC. The pitch not as green as yesterday. Expect England to get plenty of runs. The Irish bowlers dishing up boundaries at the moment.. How come you are not posting in the Ireland/England thread, Baggers? I was not aware there was one mate.
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So Fox is predicting the squad to be Warner Bancroft Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne Wade Paine Carey Starc Hazlewood Cummins Pattinson Siddle Lyon Holland (if 17) Id sitll be having Neser in there instead of Siddle or maybe Carey
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+xSo Fox is predicting the squad to be Warner Bancroft Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne Wade Paine Carey Starc Hazlewood Cummins Pattinson Siddle Lyon Holland (if 17) Id sitll be having Neser in there instead of Siddle or maybe Carey Seems Pucovski is only over there to make up the numbers. All this talk about his mental issues.. why then bring him then let him down by not picking him. That wont help his mental state nor confidence. Smith has to bat @3 then, Labuchagne then Khawaja. I want Ussie as far away from the new ball as possible. Carey has to be the backup keeper/batsman.. please dont give that job to Wade.
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+x+xSo Fox is predicting the squad to be Warner Bancroft Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne Wade Paine Carey Starc Hazlewood Cummins Pattinson Siddle Lyon Holland (if 17) Id sitll be having Neser in there instead of Siddle or maybe Carey Seems Pucovski is only over there to make up the numbers. All this talk about his mental issues.. why then bring him then let him down by not picking him. That wont help his mental state nor confidence. Pucovski looked fantastic when I've seen him bat live. He looks a class above most of our other current batters. Shame he has not made some recent big scores.
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+x+xSo Fox is predicting the squad to be Warner Bancroft Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne Wade Paine Carey Starc Hazlewood Cummins Pattinson Siddle Lyon Holland (if 17) Id sitll be having Neser in there instead of Siddle or maybe Carey Smith has to bat @3 then, Labuchagne then Khawaja. I want Ussie as far away from the new ball as possible. Do you think Usman is competent enough against spin to be in the lower middle order, Baggers?
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+x+x+xSo Fox is predicting the squad to be Warner Bancroft Harris Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne Wade Paine Carey Starc Hazlewood Cummins Pattinson Siddle Lyon Holland (if 17) Id sitll be having Neser in there instead of Siddle or maybe Carey Smith has to bat @3 then, Labuchagne then Khawaja. I want Ussie as far away from the new ball as possible. Do you think Usman is competent enough against spin to be in the lower middle order, Baggers? A bit of being stuck between a rock and a hard place DC. He is vulnerable against the new ball thru lazy footwork and spin with his hesitancy to show more intent. The thing we all know is once established Ussie can decimate an attack of both pace and spin.
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Jhye Richardson may yet play a part in the Ashes. He is currently playing his first cricket up in the Territory since injury forced him out of the Ashes. Then there are plans to parachute him into a three-day tour game between the third and forth Tests.
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Australia's Ashes squad: Tim Paine (c), Cameron Bancroft, Pat Cummins, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh, Michael Neser, James Pattinson, Peter Siddle, Steven Smith, Mitchell Starc, Matthew Wade, David Warner.
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Ugh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs
Worst 11 including automatic selections
Harris
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Labu
Marsh
Paine
Starc
Cummins
Hazelwood
Best 11
Bancroft
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Wade
Head
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
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Lyon
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+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. Nice to see Neser with a call up but I don't think he will play. If we go Pattinson, Cummins, and Siddle and Lyon there will be no need to play an all-rounder in M Marsh and we can have the extra batsman at 6 like your Best team suggests, those bowlers will get the job done and efficiently. As soon as they select Starc and Hazlewood, it means they will play an all-rounder @ 6, as they have always done in the past, and I probably prefer Marsh over Neser, and Australia will gift England more runs per test. Whether we win or lose will depend on the bowling attack we chose as that governs the batting line up. That's why they've selected so many bowlers, at the expense of Holland as back up spinner, too bad if they produce dead wickets if they go a test up on us only one spinner in the tour party. That's the problem when they protect certain players CA contracts.
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+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. Nice to see Neser with a call up but I don't think he will play. If we go Pattinson, Cummins, and Siddle and Lyon there will be no need to play an all-rounder in M Marsh and we can have the extra batsman at 6 like your Best team suggests, those bowlers will get the job done and efficiently. As soon as they select Starc and Hazlewood, it means they will play an all-rounder @ 6, as they have always done in the past, and I probably prefer Marsh over Neser, and Australia will gift England more runs per test. Whether we win or lose will depend on the bowling attack we chose as that governs the batting line up. That's why they've selected so many bowlers, at the expense of Holland as back up spinner, too bad if they produce dead wickets if they go a test up on us only one spinner in the tour party. That's the problem when they protect certain players CA contracts. Hazlewood will play. Starc will not. Pattinson will. My choice for bowler of the series.
I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up.
Rubbish. CA said county as well as tour runs will count towards Ashes selection. Bancroft has been getting plenty of runs.. two red ball centuries and is skippering his county side to a rise up the ladder. He was heading for a century in the all Aussie game on a deck that made the others look like lame ducks.
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+x+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. Nice to see Neser with a call up but I don't think he will play. If we go Pattinson, Cummins, and Siddle and Lyon there will be no need to play an all-rounder in M Marsh and we can have the extra batsman at 6 like your Best team suggests, those bowlers will get the job done and efficiently. As soon as they select Starc and Hazlewood, it means they will play an all-rounder @ 6, as they have always done in the past, and I probably prefer Marsh over Neser, and Australia will gift England more runs per test. Whether we win or lose will depend on the bowling attack we chose as that governs the batting line up. That's why they've selected so many bowlers, at the expense of Holland as back up spinner, too bad if they produce dead wickets if they go a test up on us only one spinner in the tour party. That's the problem when they protect certain players CA contracts. Hazlewood will play. Starc will not. Pattinson will. My choice for bowler of the series.
Reading our Murdoch tabloid, I was gobsmacked with suggestions Starc will miss out because of his lack of form with the red ball. White ball ODI and 20/20 bowling is different. The contention is that the Test pace attack will comprise Cummins, Patterson and Hazlewood.
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+x+x+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. Nice to see Neser with a call up but I don't think he will play. If we go Pattinson, Cummins, and Siddle and Lyon there will be no need to play an all-rounder in M Marsh and we can have the extra batsman at 6 like your Best team suggests, those bowlers will get the job done and efficiently. As soon as they select Starc and Hazlewood, it means they will play an all-rounder @ 6, as they have always done in the past, and I probably prefer Marsh over Neser, and Australia will gift England more runs per test. Whether we win or lose will depend on the bowling attack we chose as that governs the batting line up. That's why they've selected so many bowlers, at the expense of Holland as back up spinner, too bad if they produce dead wickets if they go a test up on us only one spinner in the tour party. That's the problem when they protect certain players CA contracts. Hazlewood will play. Starc will not. Pattinson will. My choice for bowler of the series.
Reading our Murdoch tabloid, I was gobsmacked with suggestions Starc will miss out because of his lack of form with the red ball. White ball ODI and 20/20 bowling is different. The contention is that the Test pace attack will comprise Cummins, Patterson and Hazlewood. Why gobsmacked? He was atrocious last summer until last game.
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+x+x+x+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. Nice to see Neser with a call up but I don't think he will play. If we go Pattinson, Cummins, and Siddle and Lyon there will be no need to play an all-rounder in M Marsh and we can have the extra batsman at 6 like your Best team suggests, those bowlers will get the job done and efficiently. As soon as they select Starc and Hazlewood, it means they will play an all-rounder @ 6, as they have always done in the past, and I probably prefer Marsh over Neser, and Australia will gift England more runs per test. Whether we win or lose will depend on the bowling attack we chose as that governs the batting line up. That's why they've selected so many bowlers, at the expense of Holland as back up spinner, too bad if they produce dead wickets if they go a test up on us only one spinner in the tour party. That's the problem when they protect certain players CA contracts. Hazlewood will play. Starc will not. Pattinson will. My choice for bowler of the series.
Reading our Murdoch tabloid, I was gobsmacked with suggestions Starc will miss out because of his lack of form with the red ball. White ball ODI and 20/20 bowling is different. The contention is that the Test pace attack will comprise Cummins, Patterson and Hazlewood. Why gobsmacked? He was atrocious last summer until last game. His sheer pace and I thought he had the status of being undroppable from selectors. Starc destroyed Sri L. Hazlewood also struggled last year to take Test wickets compared to his earlier Test career.
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+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. You are a patriotic and biased Queenslander from your posts on this board, Mike. I like the way you back up your opinions with stats all the time. Viewing these figures, I didnt realise Patterson deteriorated against the Dukes balls that were used in the latter part of the last Shield season. Also, it seems like he hasn't done the business in England. Patterson might have bombed out in the nets too. In this case Neser has obviously performed well in England, whilst Burns hasn't. Dukes balls have been used. There is is also a case of some players dominating at lower levels in familiar conditions, but who struggle in unfamiliar conditions at a higher level. Even though Burns may have scored test 4 tons, he must have got a lot of low scores too. He might also have been struggling in the nets.
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+x+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. You are a patriotic and biased Queenslander from your posts on this board, Mike. I like the way you back up your opinions with stats all the time. Viewing these figures, I didnt realise Patterson deteriorated against the Dukes balls that were used in the latter part of the last Shield season. Also, it seems like he hasn't done the business in England. Patterson might have bombed out in the nets too. In this case Neser has obviously performed well in England, whilst Burns hasn't. Dukes balls have been used. There is is also a case of some players dominating at lower levels in familiar conditions, but who struggle in unfamiliar conditions at a higher level. Even though Burns may have scored test 4 tons, he must have got a lot of low scores too. He might also have been struggling in the nets. Not at all, I for one don't think Labachagne, a Qlder, should be anywhere near the Australian side. After watching him for a few years now, and I've said to Baggers, I don't know where this all-rounder tag has come from. Outside the test arena Labuschagne has taken 38 wickets @ 74 at first class level, that a batsman who roll the arm over. Currently he is in England playing Div 2 county cricket, which is equivalent to club level IMO, you expect runs to be scored by sheffield shield players, so his performances should be taken with a grain of salt. Last year Labuchagne only averaged 24 at shield level, so he shouldn't be near the team IMO. Patterson has the typical problem that all tall batsmen have. Movement, ball staying down etc see them undone, especially against quality bowlers. He will do well at the Gabba and WA where his height allows him to get over the ball, but those pitches are very few in the world. Batting paradises such as Sydney grounds, remember NSW hardly play out of SCG at shield level, they should be but for some reason don't, and MCG are stat building grounds, and NSWmen play half their games at these venues. When you look at Adelaide and Hobart where the ball does move and they do have good bowlers, he has struggled but he only plays there once a year. In SA these are his last 3 years scores 17, 12, 14, 0, 0, 7 (av 8.33) and against Tas 14, 0, 22, 17, 100, 4. (av 26.16 even with the century 3 years ago that is still poor). When the bowlers use the Duke ball it moves more and Patterson is undone. Even one day tournaments are played out of Sydney, so a player like Patterson is not getting enough experience on the variety of grounds, I don't think he has ever played county cricket during the off season, and tall batsmen rarely do well. I can only think of Hayden and Greg Chappell for Australia maybe G Smith for SA maybe there are others but none spring to mind. Honestly I don't really want to see Neser play as a front line bowler for Australia, though a good bowler that shows up our batsmen I don't think he offers anything that England haven't seen before. England don't like attacking bowlers that's why Cummins and Pattinson need to play and have to open the bowling, play Hazlewood by all means but he should only be No 3 bowler getting maybe 15 overs per 80, that's all. Hazlewood may do Ok against this particular England side as they may chase his deliveries and get edges, but quality test batsmen like SA and India will just let him pass through to the keeper, that's why he has performed so poorly in recent times. I don't have a problem with Joe Burns non-inclusion and IMO I do think since he is in England playing County Cricket, he is an easy call up, and CA don't have to pay his way, he's there anyway. What I do have a problem with is in his initial tests of only 16 tests 28 innings (his last 4 tests of which he has been in and out of the side) he has been more productive, in not only scoring centuries and they are big match winning centuries, then Warner or Smith at the same point in their careers, yet for some reason certain players are not given the same opportunities as others. When you drop someone from the side you replace them with someone better and Burns was dropped after 12 tests with an average of 42 and 3 centuries all of which contributed to the winning of the particular tests. Can you say Bancroft, Harris, Finch, Renshaw, S Marsh have been better, I don't see many big scores from them and we have lost a lot of tests in that time, so much so Khawaja had to open on a few occasions they were poorly performing. IMO a line has been drawn with regards to expectations so if Bancroft plays the first 4 England tests which takes him to 12 tests is it wrong for me to say I expect 3 centuries and his average to climb from 31 to 42 otherwise he should be dropped, that's a lot of pressure, but this is the same pressure Burns has received from the all important selectors, makes you think about the "fairness" with regards to certain players and the states they represent.
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+x+x+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. You are a patriotic and biased Queenslander from your posts on this board, Mike. I like the way you back up your opinions with stats all the time. Viewing these figures, I didnt realise Patterson deteriorated against the Dukes balls that were used in the latter part of the last Shield season. Also, it seems like he hasn't done the business in England. Patterson might have bombed out in the nets too. In this case Neser has obviously performed well in England, whilst Burns hasn't. Dukes balls have been used. There is is also a case of some players dominating at lower levels in familiar conditions, but who struggle in unfamiliar conditions at a higher level. Even though Burns may have scored test 4 tons, he must have got a lot of low scores too. He might also have been struggling in the nets. I don't have a problem with Joe Burns non-inclusion and IMO I do think since he is in England playing County Cricket, he is an easy call up, and CA don't have to pay his way, he's there anyway. What I do have a problem with is in his initial tests of only 16 tests 28 innings (his last 4 tests of which he has been in and out of the side) he has been more productive, in not only scoring centuries and they are big match winning centuries, then Warner or Smith at the same point in their careers, yet for some reason certain players are not given the same opportunities as others. When you drop someone from the side you replace them with someone better and Burns was dropped after 12 tests with an average of 42 and 3 centuries all of which contributed to the winning of the particular tests. . Youv'e probably raised some decent points there, Mike.
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+x+x+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. You are a patriotic and biased Queenslander from your posts on this board, Mike. I like the way you back up your opinions with stats all the time. Viewing these figures, I didnt realise Patterson deteriorated against the Dukes balls that were used in the latter part of the last Shield season. Also, it seems like he hasn't done the business in England. Patterson might have bombed out in the nets too. In this case Neser has obviously performed well in England, whilst Burns hasn't. Dukes balls have been used. There is is also a case of some players dominating at lower levels in familiar conditions, but who struggle in unfamiliar conditions at a higher level. Even though Burns may have scored test 4 tons, he must have got a lot of low scores too. He might also have been struggling in the nets. Honestly I don't really want to see Neser play as a front line bowler for Australia, though a good bowler that shows up our batsmen I don't think he offers anything that England haven't seen before. England don't like attacking bowlers that's why Cummins and Pattinson need to play and have to open the bowling, play Hazlewood by all means but he should only be No 3 bowler getting maybe 15 overs per 80, that's all. Do you think Neser should have been selected instead of a bowler like Bird, Mike?
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+x+x+x+x+xUgh, Burns and Patterson dropped, Marsh retained. Selectors in Australia are weirdly bad at their jobs Worst 11 including automatic selections Harris Warner Smith Khawaja Labu Marsh Paine Starc Cummins Hazelwood Best 11 Bancroft Warner Smith Khawaja Wade Head Paine Pattinson Cummins Siddle Lyon Agree with your Best side, unfortunately I think they will go with the worst side for the first test, with the exception of Bancroft for Harris I can easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion, these are his FC scores against the Duke ball recently and in Sheffield Shield 7, 27, 9. 10, 14 , 0, 19 ,76, 4, 32, 38, 2, 0 = 238 runs @ 18.3 average and that's only at FC level and quite a few opportunities to judge, at test level against Anderson and Broad in swinging conditions, no chance. Neser even last scores against Duke 18*, 75*, 0, 13*, 0, 11, 42, 10, 1, 0, 32, 16 = 218 @ 18.2 (not including Not outs which would be av 24.2 with NO stat included) and took nearly 30 wickets in the process, Easily understand Patterson's non-inclusion. The non-inclusion of Burns with a test average of 40 with 4 centuries under his belt from only 16 tests, and can bat anywhere in the line up is very strange. Bancroft and Harris from 14 tests combined neither have yet to score a century, They only average 31-32 so on paper you can argue that the selectors have gifted England 20 runs per test by not playing him, that could be a significant difference. I can only think that he is in England playing county cricket so he is an easy call up. Labuschagne av 26 Wade av 29 and M Marsh av 26 possibly batting at 6, Burns is a better choice as well, plus he does roll the arm over and has taken wickets in all forms, just like Warner, Smith and Head so to make up a few overs no need for an all-rounder. You are a patriotic and biased Queenslander from your posts on this board, Mike. I like the way you back up your opinions with stats all the time. Viewing these figures, I didnt realise Patterson deteriorated against the Dukes balls that were used in the latter part of the last Shield season. Also, it seems like he hasn't done the business in England. Patterson might have bombed out in the nets too. In this case Neser has obviously performed well in England, whilst Burns hasn't. Dukes balls have been used. There is is also a case of some players dominating at lower levels in familiar conditions, but who struggle in unfamiliar conditions at a higher level. Even though Burns may have scored test 4 tons, he must have got a lot of low scores too. He might also have been struggling in the nets. Honestly I don't really want to see Neser play as a front line bowler for Australia, though a good bowler that shows up our batsmen I don't think he offers anything that England haven't seen before. England don't like attacking bowlers that's why Cummins and Pattinson need to play and have to open the bowling, play Hazlewood by all means but he should only be No 3 bowler getting maybe 15 overs per 80, that's all. Do you think Neser should have been selected instead of a bowler like Bird, Mike? Bird should have been selected but he was never going to play the same as Neser, token selection IMO. CA have this fascination with producing all-rounders, a good quality true all-rounder is James Hopes, never played tests for Australia. Neser would be the closest to that Hopes level of all rounder currently in Australia. Neser makes the state side with either bat or ball, but he has both so he's great to have around, leading the bowling attack and batting as well as someone like Patterson (Last year sheffield shield Neser batted at 43 Patterson 40). Neser is borderline on that step up to international level as a bowler but he will never push Pattinson nor Cummins out they're better, though Neser's batting is probably superior. Our all-rounder tag is M Marsh or Stoinis and to a lesser extent Labuchagne, OK for limited overs but their ability with ball or bat is not up to scratch, they don't make the side with either discipline but yet are chosen, yet Hopes never was?? Playing an all-rounder at 6 weakens our batting line up and I definitely would never ever, ever, play Neser at 6 so I don't see him as a better prospect as a bowler than Bird who has actually improved his batting. But if you were to base selection solely on recent performances, Neser didn't keep Bird out of the side, Hazlewood did! Hazlewood or Bird? much of a muchness, Bird is probably the more attacking bowler and his strike rate is the same at test level to Hazlewood, but has not been given anywhere near the opportunities that Hazlewood has. But at first class level Bird's Strike Rate kicks Hazlewood's arse (48 compared to Hazlewood's 55). Bird is the more attacking of the 2, plays in Tasmania the closest our grounds get to English conditions, and is currently bowling well, Hazlewood isn't, so I would have chosen Bird. The sole difference between the 2 is CA have invested 7-10 million dollars in Hazlewood over the last 5 years, but Bird may have been lucky to earn 1 million in that same period. Baggers will tell you I have been saying for 3 years now that Hazlewood's lack of wicket taking ability is not something that has just appeared it has been since around the last time we toured England. He has had 3 years to sort this out but there has been no improvement, actually it appears to be getting worse, when is enough enough? At first class level Hazlewood and Bird have bowled the same but there is a huge discrepancy between their wickets taken. Hazlewood 148 innings 290 wickets av 25 Bird 153 innings 348 wickets av 24. Is the selection of Hazlewood over Bird based on recent performances a rightful decision? I'd say No it has questions of bias but that is just my opinion which everyone is entitled to have. But I can use the same argument for Tremain as well 108 innings 225 wickets @ 23 SR 45 beats Bird and smashes Hazlewood out of the ballpark. No bias in selections that I can see How about you? But in saying that Hazlewood may do well against this particular England side that have been concentrating on the limited over format thus their recent loss against WI and poor first innings against Ireland. They will chase wide deliveries and Hazlewood specialises in bowling wide of off so a few slip catches may occur when other international test sides just let him pass through to keeper. PS Bird was born in NSW so that may stop the cries of me being bias against NSW players.
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I suppose if we have cummins and pattinson it may not matter too much who are 3rd bowler is. I'd drop mcgrath for pattinson at the moment his bowling is that good
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I agree about labu, would rather 0 all rounders personally. Head is good enough to give the bowlers a break!
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+xI agree about labu, would rather 0 all rounders personally. Head is good enough to give the bowlers a break! Labu has been picked not due to his part time spin.. it is his batting. His 41 on that green monster was worth a century and he has been doing similar things for Glamorgan in county. At last count he had 5 tons for the season.. some 1100 runs in all and the season still has another month to run. Those ill informed who say English county Div 2 is akin to our grade cricket need to talk to a Pommie bloke I post with on another forum. He says English players not selected often ply their trade in Div 2.
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+x+xI agree about labu, would rather 0 all rounders personally. Head is good enough to give the bowlers a break! Labu has been picked not due to his part time spin.. it is his batting. His 41 on that green monster was worth a century and he has been doing similar things for Glamorgan in county. At last count he had 5 tons for the season.. some 1100 runs in all and the season still has another month to run. Those ill informed who say English county Div 2 is akin to our grade cricket need to talk to a Pommie bloke I post with on another forum. He says English players not selected often ply their trade in Div 2. I am fine with Hazlewood at first change. He bowls as well with the older ball.. reckon he just may be better suited there. With Pattinson surely playing at Edgbaston..hopefully at Starc's expense.. having he and Cummins use the new ball at their extra pace will give the Pommie openers a few nervy moments.
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+x+xI agree about labu, would rather 0 all rounders personally. Head is good enough to give the bowlers a break! Labu has been picked not due to his part time spin.. it is his batting. His 41 on that green monster was worth a century and he has been doing similar things for Glamorgan in county. At last count he had 5 tons for the season.. some 1100 runs in all and the season still has another month to run. Those ill informed who say English county Div 2 is akin to our grade cricket need to talk to a Pommie bloke I post with on another forum. He says English players not selected often ply their trade in Div 2. Baggers where do our players who are not selected for shield cricket, ply their trade? Grade cricket! But it is a matter of perspective, for you where Sydney grade cricket has 20 teams, you're probably right there is a lot of rubbish playing to fill the teams and yes Div 2 County is probably better, but in other states where there are less teams you do have less rubbish and Div 2 county cricket is about the same maybe slightly better, but we're not talking Future League standard. Our Shield and Futures comp equates to English Div 1 County standard. Jason Sangha is a perfect example of how not to read too much into performances at these lower standards, setting the world on fire in the Sydney grade comp, the media and yourself stating how he's the next best thing for Australian cricket, steps up to Shield level and the only record he broke was the most number of ducks in a season tying with the master batsmen Nick Winter and Joe Mennie with 5. Of course I'm not saying Labuchagne isn't a good shield player, good not great, but as a Queenslander looking solely at his batting his performances were worse than Burns, Hemphrey, Neser, Peirson, Heazlett, and throw Khawaja in as well, he just scrapes in with the 7th batting position at state level. So Labuchagne has been selected for his bowling as well which would be the reason why Holland has been sent home. Since when does Australia tour with only 1 spinner, they don't Labuchagne is the back up spinner. But I do have a question for you, if selectors are saying that there is this importance in performances over at county level, then surely you would have no problem with Siddle playing instead of Hazlewood? Siddle in Division 1 county cricket where international represented players are playing such as Harmer, Patel, Kyle Abbott, Fidel Edwards, Morne Morkel (remember him the one that taught Starc and Hazlewood how to bowl in the last SA tour) Duanne Olivier, Overton, Ravi Ashwin, Sam Curran, Broad, and our own Pattinson then as one of the leading bowlers with 34 wickets @ 20 (compared to Pattinson's 8 wickets @ 30 or Hazlewood's 0/66 against Div 2 team Gloucestershire or 0/46 and 0/7 against Div 2 team Sussex ) surely Siddle should be an automatic selection for the first test. These important selection criteria only exist when they don't impact one of CA pets, otherwise they're thrown out the door.
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Meanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
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+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear.
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+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. *Our batting is fragile too. Pattinson hasn't been tested bowling for five days for some time. Hazlewood has taken few Test wickets in the last year. Australia's proven strengths are Cummins and Lyon's bowling, and Paine's wicket keeping. Paine is a good man manager as captain, but I'm not sure about his ability as a tactician at Test level? Are Warner and Smith as good as they were in red ball cricket? They've barely played any in the last year and and a half. *As far as England are concerned: If they aren't over the hill, Anderson and Broad have a very good Test record over time. They are potent bowlers in England. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year. England has great depth in wicketkeeping. Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Does Archer have the stamina for Test cricket?
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+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. *Our batting is fragile too. Pattinson hasn't been tested bowling for five days for some time. Hazlewood has taken few Test wickets in the last year. Australia's proven strengths are Cummins and Lyon's bowling, and Paine's wicket keeping. Paine is a good man manager as captain, but I'm not sure about his ability as a tactician at Test level? Are Warner and Smith as good as they were in red ball cricket? They've barely played any in the last year and and a half. *As far as England are concerned: If they aren't over the hill, Anderson and Broad have a very good Test record over time. They are potent bowlers in England. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year. England has great depth in wicketkeeping. Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Does Archer have the stamina for Test cricket? More questions raised than answered DC. Yes England have great depth in keeping.. what they need is great depth in opening. Since Cook left the scene the Pommies have struggled with their openers. The three vying for the spot are not specialist openers. Rory Burns is.. wait for it.. another keeper ..tho he does have a decent FC av @42. Roy is a specialist white baller @38 FC while Joe Denly the third condender is at least a middle order bat but averages a modest FC @36. Our opening quicks.. Cummins and hopefully Pattinson shud target whoever they pick to open with plenty of short pacey stuff while the ball is hard. The major priority is having Root and the middle order exposed as early as poss..
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+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. *Our batting is fragile too. Pattinson hasn't been tested bowling for five days for some time. Hazlewood has taken few Test wickets in the last year. Australia's proven strengths are Cummins and Lyon's bowling, and Paine's wicket keeping. Paine is a good man manager as captain, but I'm not sure about his ability as a tactician at Test level? Are Warner and Smith as good as they were in red ball cricket? They've barely played any in the last year and and a half. *As far as England are concerned: If they aren't over the hill, Anderson and Broad have a very good Test record over time. They are potent bowlers in England. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year. England has great depth in wicketkeeping. Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Does Archer have the stamina for Test cricket? More questions raised than answered DC. Yes England have great depth in keeping.. what they need is great depth in opening. Since Cook left the scene the Pommies have struggled with their openers. The three vying for the spot are not specialist openers. Rory Burns is.. wait for it.. another keeper ..tho he does have a decent FC av @42. Roy is a specialist white baller @38 FC while Joe Denly the third condender is at least a middle order bat but averages a modest FC @36. Our opening quicks.. Cummins and hopefully Pattinson shud target whoever they pick to open with plenty of short pacey stuff while the ball is hard. The major priority is having Root and the middle order exposed as early as poss.. Does Archer have the stamina for Test cricket?
We will have to wait and see. He operates pretty well in FC cricket -133 w- @23.
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+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!!
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+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that.
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+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India Has Curran not been picked for Edgbaston? Hell I have him as England's leading wicket taker elsewhere in a Ashes tipping competition. Talk England will go in with four quicks. No spinner. Is this correct?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India Has Curran not been picked for Edgbaston? Hell I have him as England's leading wicket taker elsewhere in a Ashes tipping competition. Talk England will go in with four quicks. No spinner. Is this correct? Curran is in the squad but most pundits agree he’s too low down the pecking order to get a start. I hope they’re all wrong Ali has taken more Test wkts (apart from Jimmy) in the last yr so should start. Eng usually field at least one spinner. So the press is expecting this line up - not my choice though Burns Roy Root Denly Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes Ali Broad Anderson
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India Has Curran not been picked for Edgbaston? Hell I have him as England's leading wicket taker elsewhere in a Ashes tipping competition. Talk England will go in with four quicks. No spinner. Is this correct? Curran is in the squad but most pundits agree he’s too low down the pecking order to get a start. I hope they’re all wrong Ali has taken more Test wkts (apart from Jimmy) in the last yr so should start. Eng usually field at least one spinner. So the press is expecting this line up - not my choice though Burns Roy Root Denly Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes Ali Broad Anderson Root at #3 adds some solidity. Buttler and Stokes in the top six opens up an opportunity for our express men with the Dukes in hand. Neither have cast iron techniques. So best case scenario. Paine wins toss bowls first unleashing Pattinson and Cummins on their rookie openers. with the aim to expose Root early against the new hard Dukes.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India Has Curran not been picked for Edgbaston? Hell I have him as England's leading wicket taker elsewhere in a Ashes tipping competition. Talk England will go in with four quicks. No spinner. Is this correct? Curran is in the squad but most pundits agree he’s too low down the pecking order to get a start. I hope they’re all wrong Ali has taken more Test wkts (apart from Jimmy) in the last yr so should start. Eng usually field at least one spinner. So the press is expecting this line up - not my choice though Burns Roy Root Denly Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes Ali Broad Anderson Root at #3 adds some solidity. Buttler and Stokes in the top six opens up and an opportunity to crack open the Pommies. Neither have cast iron techniques. So best case scenario. Paine wins toss bowls first unleashing Pattinson and Cummins on their rookie openers. with the aim to expose Root early against the new hard Dukes. The new Aussie Mantra: Humility Honesty Professionalism Confidence Discipline
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India Has Curran not been picked for Edgbaston? Hell I have him as England's leading wicket taker elsewhere in a Ashes tipping competition. Talk England will go in with four quicks. No spinner. Is this correct? Curran is in the squad but most pundits agree he’s too low down the pecking order to get a start. I hope they’re all wrong Ali has taken more Test wkts (apart from Jimmy) in the last yr so should start. Eng usually field at least one spinner. So the press is expecting this line up - not my choice though Burns Roy Root Denly Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes Ali Broad Anderson Root at #3 adds some solidity. Buttler and Stokes in the top six opens up and an opportunity to crack open the Pommies. Neither have cast iron techniques. So best case scenario. Paine wins toss bowls first unleashing Pattinson and Cummins on their rookie openers. with the aim to expose Root early against the new hard Dukes. The new Aussie Mantra: Humility Honesty Professionalism Confidence Discipline If Pattinson and Cummins play every test, They are the most likely to tho CA has intimated there will be rotation to keep bowlers fresh for the short, packed schedule. I expect Patto and Cummins to play 4 matches..Hazlewood 3, Siddle 2 and Starc 2. Or thereabouts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India Has Curran not been picked for Edgbaston? Hell I have him as England's leading wicket taker elsewhere in a Ashes tipping competition. Talk England will go in with four quicks. No spinner. Is this correct? Curran is in the squad but most pundits agree he’s too low down the pecking order to get a start. I hope they’re all wrong Ali has taken more Test wkts (apart from Jimmy) in the last yr so should start. Eng usually field at least one spinner. So the press is expecting this line up - not my choice though Burns Roy Root Denly Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes Ali Broad Anderson Root at #3 adds some solidity. Buttler and Stokes in the top six opens up and an opportunity to crack open the Pommies. Neither have cast iron techniques. So best case scenario. Paine wins toss bowls first unleashing Pattinson and Cummins on their rookie openers. with the aim to expose Root early against the new hard Dukes. The new Aussie Mantra: Humility Honesty Professionalism Confidence Discipline Which of Paine’s masters had the brainwave to get the Aussies to shake hands with the opposition BEFORE they commence hostilities?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMeanwhile, England has named their squad: Joe Root (capt)
Moeen Ali
Jimmy Anderson
Jofra Archer
Jonny Bairstow
Stuart Broad
Rory Burns
Jos Buttler
Sam Curran
Joe Denly
Jason Roy
Ben Stokes (vc)
Olly Stone
Chris Woakes
Where are their specialist bats? Aussies bring a gun bowling attack which could cause a lot of problems for a bunch of all rounders. Their attack does provide some balance with leftie Sam Curran picked.
One, two, three of Burns (out of form completely), Roy (loose shot always just round the corner) & Denly (untested at this level). Oh dear. Root is one of the world's best Test batters - and - importantly he has played plenty of Test cricket over the last year Although One Day cricket doesn't extrapolate to Tests, I thought Rashid bowled well at times in the WC. He hasn't been selected. Rashid has to all intents and purposes given up red ball cricket As for Rooty the Torygraph now claims he’s relented and agreed to bat at three (Trevor B’s preference). Burns, Roy, Root, Denly top four, really? Come on the middle order!! As their best Root has to bat in the all important #3 spot. Good news for us if we knock off one of the openers early then Root will be exposed to the new hard ball earlier than wudda been the case. I also notioned Rashid being picked. Seems England selectors like ours dont pick wristies in Test cricket. I can not fathom that. Rashid turned down his last red ball contract at Yorks. M Vaughan argues you might as well bin Rory Burns and stick in Woakes who is just as likely to get 40 runs (his av in Tests in England) Six bowlers is unnecessary though? Jimmy, Broady, Stokes, Archer, Woakes & Ali. I think Sam Curran is really unfortunate given his batting (big plus) and he did undoubtedly ‘swing the series’ vs India Has Curran not been picked for Edgbaston? Hell I have him as England's leading wicket taker elsewhere in a Ashes tipping competition. Talk England will go in with four quicks. No spinner. Is this correct? Curran is in the squad but most pundits agree he’s too low down the pecking order to get a start. I hope they’re all wrong Ali has taken more Test wkts (apart from Jimmy) in the last yr so should start. Eng usually field at least one spinner. So the press is expecting this line up - not my choice though Burns Roy Root Denly Stokes Buttler Bairstow Woakes Ali Broad Anderson Root at #3 adds some solidity. Buttler and Stokes in the top six opens up and an opportunity to crack open the Pommies. Neither have cast iron techniques. So best case scenario. Paine wins toss bowls first unleashing Pattinson and Cummins on their rookie openers. with the aim to expose Root early against the new hard Dukes. The new Aussie Mantra: Humility Honesty Professionalism Confidence Discipline Which of Paine’s masters had the brainwave to get the Aussies to shake hands with the opposition BEFORE they commence hostilities? Probably the man himself.
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If Pattinson and Cummins play every test, if Marsh plays zero and if Smith and Warner resturn to form I would say we probably win
That's 3 ifs though
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Following the most recent comments I’d expect the team to be Warner Bancroft Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne/Wade Paine Pattinson Cummins Hazlewood Lyon Though as noted on here Hazlewood has really lacked rhythm and wickets recently. The best pace attack is probably Pattinson Cummins Siddle/Neser
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+xFollowing the most recent comments I’d expect the team to be Warner Bancroft Khawaja Smith Head Labuschagne Paine Pattinson Cummins Hazlewood Lyon Though as noted on here Hazlewood has really lacked rhythm and wickets recently. The best pace attack is probably Pattinson Cummins Siddle/Neser Thats a decent team since it includes the scary 3 (pattinson, cummins and lyon) and excludes mitch still I wish Hazelwood would be replaced with siddle/tremain. I can live with hazelwood though
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Boy is Langer dragging out naming the X1. Two locks so far Pattinson and Khawaja.
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+xBoy is Langer dragging out naming the X1. Two locks so far Pattinson and Khawaja. Langer is dragging out naming the eleven. Maybe there are a few more injury concerns that we don’t know about?
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+x+xBoy is Langer dragging out naming the X1. Two locks so far Pattinson and Khawaja. Langer is dragging out naming the eleven. Maybe there are a few more injury concerns that we don’t know about? He has confirmed Bancroft to open. He hasn't said who the third seamer is with Pattinson and Cummins. Wade has not been confirmed at 6, but I think will play.
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This is looking more and more the X1.
Warner
Bancroft
Smith
Khawaja
Head
Wade
Paine
Cummins
Pattinson
Hazlewood/Siddle
Lyon.
Too many lefties for mine with Sam Curran in the Pommie attack.
Wud CA ever consider playing four quicks. Talk is the enemy will.
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Then that bothers me. i'd like to see Ussie's stats batting #3 and #4. He does not move his feet all that much.. dangerous against the moving Dukes. Prefer him lower than #3 to be honest.
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wonder how we deal with Ali. Poor first class bowling average poor test bowling average but he's had some success against us in the past
do we attack? If you can hit spin out of the attack you can open up a test because the quicks wear out sooner. The danger though is if you are too agressive you bring them into the game
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Hazelwood at his best is better than siddle but he has had a bad run of form. Siddle has been great in England
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+xHazelwood at his best is better than siddle but he has had a bad run of form. Siddle has been great in England Dunno how Sids has kept it up. Still a vegan, gobbling up bananas every day?
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+x+xHazelwood at his best is better than siddle but he has had a bad run of form. Siddle has been great in England Dunno how Sids has kept it up. Still a vegan, gobbling up bananas every day? 13 a day I heard!
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Siddle would be way down the pecking order if in Australia but both his long term county record, past performance in Ashes in England (albeit too late) and most recent county form means he simply has to play over Hazlewood.
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+xSiddle would be way down the pecking order if in Australia but both his long term county record, past performance in Ashes in England (albeit too late) and most recent county form means he simply has to play over Hazlewood. There are no sufficient superlatives to describe Steve Smith. When I went to bed well into the last session he was on 70.. having dragged us out of the mire with help from Sids. He musta then led a brutal assault on a tiring attack to finish unconconqued on almost 150. That knock shud move him back to #1 on rankings and keep him there. The man is a freak.
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