Daniel Arzani being wasted at Celtic?!


Daniel Arzani being wasted at Celtic?!

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Balin Trev - 6 Sep 2019 7:25 PM
Dan_The_Red - 6 Sep 2019 5:20 PM

Zlatan ibrohimavich and Van Nistlerooy both did ACL’s and didn’t stop them kicking arse



Sure, but how many more players are there who's names we'll never know who never reached their potential thanks to an ACL?
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is every Celtic player always injured even Tierney was injured during his transfer lol 
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jas88 - 7 Sep 2019 11:48 AM
is every Celtic player always injured even Tierney was injured during his transfer lol 

Our central defenders always seem to be 😟😡
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Balin Trev - 6 Sep 2019 7:25 PM
Dan_The_Red - 6 Sep 2019 5:20 PM

Zlatan ibrohimavich and Van Nistlerooy both did ACL’s and didn’t stop them kicking arse



Thanks for providing 2 examples to dispute me. I’d provide some examples to counter, but I don’t know any names...cause they never made it.

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BrisbaneBhoy - 7 Sep 2019 12:05 PM
jas88 - 7 Sep 2019 11:48 AM

Our central defenders always seem to be 😟😡

do they train on artificial turf?

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Dan_The_Red - 7 Sep 2019 5:19 PM
Balin Trev - 6 Sep 2019 7:25 PM

Thanks for providing 2 examples to dispute me. I’d provide some examples to counter, but I don’t know any names...cause they never made it.

Yep i see your point.. but I believe Arzani is a very rare world class attacker and can still have very successful career. Another player example is Rhyan Grant- maybe not world class player but is still playing career best football after 2 acl’s! So i would never write Arzani off. Still only 20 years old too
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Balin Trev - 8 Sep 2019 11:59 AM
Dan_The_Red - 7 Sep 2019 5:19 PM

Yep i see your point.. but I believe Arzani is a very rare world class attacker and can still have very successful career. Another player example is Rhyan Grant- maybe not world class player but is still playing career best football after 2 acl’s! So i would never write Arzani off. Still only 20 years old too

Also surgical techniques have come a long way in regard to knee injuries over the last 10-15 years.   Its amazing to see players coming back now from ACL reconstructions seemingly unimpeded.  It's not a death nell anymore in the way it was even as recently as Paul Okon's era.  Okon was never the same player after he came back.

Good reason to be optimistic.


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paladisious - 6 Sep 2019 9:16 PM
Balin Trev - 6 Sep 2019 7:25 PM

Sure, but how many more players are there who's names we'll never know who never reached their potential thanks to an ACL?

More and more with every passing year, medical science has improved a lot the past decade. It isn't a career ending injury anymore
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inala brah - 8 Sep 2019 11:40 AM
BrisbaneBhoy - 7 Sep 2019 12:05 PM

do they train on artificial turf?

At Lennoxtown there is mostly grass (natural) pitches, but there is an artificial grass pitch also.
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City Sam - 8 Sep 2019 1:31 PM
paladisious - 6 Sep 2019 9:16 PM

More and more with every passing year, medical science has improved a lot the past decade. It isn't a career ending injury anymore

Absolutely, and hopefully he'll still have a great career, but the truth is that the injury and the time off from development is a huge blow even in the best case scenario.
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lebo_roo - 6 Aug 2019 2:21 PM
Balin Trev - 6 Aug 2019 12:07 PM

He was part of the overall squad not the squad to travel to Romania in a crucial qualifier  and play his first minutes in 9 months. That's ridiculous. He will get his chance in the next month domestically once he is upto full fitness. 

Still no sign of him...stuff Celtic and Lennon. Celtic will regret letting him go in next few years when he is world class attacker playing elsewhere
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Balin Trev - 8 Sep 2019 4:26 PM
lebo_roo - 6 Aug 2019 2:21 PM

Still no sign of him...stuff Celtic and Lennon. Celtic will regret letting him go in next few years when he is world class attacker playing elsewhere

What do you mean by "still no sign of him"??
And... "Celtic will regret letting him go"??
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BrisbaneBhoy - 8 Sep 2019 6:52 PM
Balin Trev - 8 Sep 2019 4:26 PM

What do you mean by "still no sign of him"??
And... "Celtic will regret letting him go"??

I may be incorrect but I believe he means despite the fact Arzani is no longer injured he hasn't featured in any matches. Also 'Celtic will regret letting him go' may mean Celtic will regret not utilising his loan deal fully as they may potentially have an opportunity at purchasing him and he could go on to become a great player.
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paladisious - 8 Sep 2019 3:53 PM
City Sam - 8 Sep 2019 1:31 PM

Absolutely, and hopefully he'll still have a great career, but the truth is that the injury and the time off from development is a huge blow even in the best case scenario.

not always ..every player is different ..sometimes time off can prolong a players career....in others it allows the player to mature..both through being a year older and also the experience of "nearly losing it all" and beating it . 

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No doubt he has tremendous potential but the kid played half a season of A-League, of which the majority of those games he didn’t even play the full 90 mins. I actually recall a few games he was crippled with cramp by about the 70 mins mark because he wasn’t conditioned for it. He went OS far too underdone and then unfortunately injured himself in the process.

I’d love to see him playing more but let’s be realistic here, he’s gotta work his way up to first team European football. He really should’ve taken a lead out of Aaron Mooys book and carved up the A-League for a good season or two before even considering heading off.
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CHEP - 8 Sep 2019 10:48 PM
No doubt he has tremendous potential but the kid played half a season of A-League, of which the majority of those games he didn’t even play the full 90 mins. I actually recall a few games he was crippled with cramp by about the 70 mins mark because he wasn’t conditioned for it. He went OS far too underdone and then unfortunately injured himself in the process. I’d love to see him playing more but let’s be realistic here, he’s gotta work his way up to first team European football. He really should’ve taken a lead out of Aaron Mooys book and carved up the A-League for a good season or two before even considering heading off.

Wasn't up to him though, he had to head to the mothership for CFG's FFP ledger. Ideally in hindsight he could have been loaned back to Melbourne City to continue developing, but the salary cap ruled that out.
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BrisbaneBhoy - 8 Sep 2019 6:52 PM
Balin Trev - 8 Sep 2019 4:26 PM

What do you mean by "still no sign of him"??
And... "Celtic will regret letting him go"??

Strange isn't it.

Arzani's injury had everything to do with him turning awkwardly and nothing to do with him leaving too early. 

Players injure themselves all the time. Even in Scotland , even in the A-League. I don't get why ppl look to blame things. It's sport its Marbo the vibe etc


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BrisbaneBhoy - 8 Sep 2019 6:52 PM
Balin Trev - 8 Sep 2019 4:26 PM

What do you mean by "still no sign of him"??
And... "Celtic will regret letting him go"??

I mean Celtic STILL hasn’t included him in any squads- even in SPL games- since he was given all clear to play weeks ago... what a waste. He is obviously not going to be re-signed by Celtic if they refuse to put him on, even for 10-15 minutes. Arzani will be let go by Celtic at end of contract... Bunch of dumb arses running that club that can’t recognise an unpolished diamond when they see it. The 1 game he did play he was great- perfect pass to what should hav been a certain goal. Has Lennon even watched that game?! 
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Balin Trev - 9 Sep 2019 5:49 PM
BrisbaneBhoy - 8 Sep 2019 6:52 PM

I mean Celtic STILL hasn’t included him in any squads- even in SPL games- since he was given all clear to play weeks ago... what a waste. He is obviously not going to be re-signed by Celtic if they refuse to put him on, even for 10-15 minutes. Arzani will be let go by Celtic at end of contract... Bunch of dumb arses running that club that can’t recognise an unpolished diamond when they see it. The 1 game he did play he was great- perfect pass to what should hav been a certain goal. Has Lennon even watched that game?! 

First things first... Arzani is only at Celtic on loan, not a permanent contract.

Secondly... Celtic has a great record when it comes to developing "diamonds in the rough" and turn them into quality players. A big part as to why Man City allowed Arzani to go to Celtic on loan in the first place.

Third... He is recovering from an ACL injury.

Forth... There has only been four league matches played so far this season. Arzani is playing catch up, as he has not had a proper preseason unlike the rest of the players. He is behind the eight ball when it comes to his fitness levels, and as to where he currently finds himself in the pecking order.

Now, Man City has a recall player condition in the Arzani deal made with Celtic. The [FACT] that Man City has not recalled him from Celtic, and sent him out on loan to another team, shows that they to feel/believe he is not fully ready to be playing just yet. 

As for when Arzani is fit enough to play, he won't be an automatic pick to play. He will need to battle and replace the players who are ahead of him. And on current form, he has a huge battle on his hands at replacing those who are currently playing.


Question... How many Celtic matches have you actually watched so far this season??
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no rush


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BrisbaneBhoy - 9 Sep 2019 6:41 PM
Balin Trev - 9 Sep 2019 5:49 PM

First things first... Arzani is only at Celtic on loan, not a permanent contract.

Secondly... Celtic has a great record when it comes to developing "diamonds in the rough" and turn them into quality players. A big part as to why Man City allowed Arzani to go to Celtic on loan in the first place.

Third... He is recovering from an ACL injury.

Forth... There has only been four league matches played so far this season. Arzani is playing catch up, as he has not had a proper preseason unlike the rest of the players. He is behind the eight ball when it comes to his fitness levels, and as to where he currently finds himself in the pecking order.

Now, Man City has a recall player condition in the Arzani deal made with Celtic. The [FACT] that Man City has not recalled him from Celtic, and sent him out on loan to another team, shows that they to feel/believe he is not fully ready to be playing just yet. 

As for when Arzani is fit enough to play, he won't be an automatic pick to play. He will need to battle and replace the players who are ahead of him. And on current form, he has a huge battle on his hands at replacing those who are currently playing.


Question... How many Celtic matches have you actually watched so far this season??

Watched all of them. Arzani is good enough...
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highkick05 - 9 Sep 2019 7:00 PM
BrisbaneBhoy - 9 Sep 2019 6:41 PM
Balin Trev - 9 Sep 2019 5:49 PM

First things first... Arzani is only at Celtic on loan, not a permanent contract.

Secondly... Celtic has a great record when it comes to developing "diamonds in the rough" and turn them into quality players. A big part as to why Man City allowed Arzani to go to Celtic on loan in the first place.

Third... He is recovering from an ACL injury.

Forth... There has only been four league matches played so far this season. Arzani is playing catch up, as he has not had a proper preseason unlike the rest of the players. He is behind the eight ball when it comes to his fitness levels, and as to where he currently finds himself in the pecking order.

Now, Man City has a recall player condition in the Arzani deal made with Celtic. The [FACT] that Man City has not recalled him from Celtic, and sent him out on loan to another team, shows that they to feel/believe he is not fully ready to be playing just yet. 

As for when Arzani is fit enough to play, he won't be an automatic pick to play. He will need to battle and replace the players who are ahead of him. And on current form, he has a huge battle on his hands at replacing those who are currently playing.


Question... How many Celtic matches have you actually watched so far this season??

Watched all of them. It’s the SPL - Not the bloody WCup! His minutes against France were good and looked incredible against Denmark. He can kill SPL if given the chance...



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Balin Trev - 9 Sep 2019 7:36 PM
BrisbaneBhoy - 9 Sep 2019 6:41 PM

Watched all of them. Arzani is good enough...

I have never said he wasn't good enough. He does a battle on his hands to replace those ahead of him. And he needs to get up to speed fitness wise.
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Balin Trev - 9 Sep 2019 7:42 PM
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BrisbaneBhoy - 9 Sep 2019 6:41 PM

Watched all of them. It’s the SPL - Not the bloody WCup! His minutes against France were good and looked incredible against Denmark. He can kill SPL if given the chance...



How many minutes did he play during the World Cup??
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“Ex-Chelsea goalkeeper Mark Schwarzer has questioned youngster Daniel Arzani's loan move to Celtic - suggesting it was not the right move for the playmaker.”
https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/17889680.ex-chelsea-star-mark-schwarzer-questions-daniel-arzanis-loan-move-celtic/


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Is Celtic wasting a place on Daniel Arzani?


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BrisbaneBhoy - 9 Sep 2019 7:48 PM
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How many minutes did he play during the World Cup??

Approx. 12 against France. 25 against Denmark. 35 against Peru. Played great in all games- nearly scored, creating good chances (combined well with Rogic btw) But can’t get 1 minute in SPL. Hmm... How many minutes did the Scottish born Celtic players get in Wcup?! I assume a big fat zero?! Bert Van Marwijk coached Australia at Wcup last year. Coached Wcup runners up Netherlands side in 2010- and he chose Arzani in all 3 crucial Wcup games. How many sides has Lennon coached in WCup matches?! Just give him some minutes Lennon... enough said I think.
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Balin Trev - 9 Sep 2019 8:52 PM
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Approx. 12 against France. 25 against Denmark. 35 against Peru. Played great in all games- nearly scored, creating good chances (combined well with Rogic btw) But can’t get 1 minute in SPL. Hmm... How many minutes did the Scottish born Celtic players get in Wcup?! I assume a big fat zero?! Bert Van Marwijk coached Australia at Wcup last year. Coached Wcup runners up Netherlands side in 2010- and he chose Arzani in all 3 crucial Wcup games. How many sides has Lennon coached in WCup matches?! Just give him some minutes Lennon... enough said I think.

So, he has played a little over an hour during the World Cup (over a year ago). A handful of minute back in November, and does his ACL during that same match. He has only just returned to training, and you think he is ready, while those who see him everyday still believes he still has some work to do, to get up to speed with the rest of his team mates.

Arzani's first battle isn't against SPL teams - It's against his fellow team mates who play the same positions as he does. If he is good enough, he will get minutes. As I have said before, he is the type of winger that Lennon loves.

Look, we are going around in circles here. So I'm just going to end with....  There is no need to rush things with the lad until he is fully ready to play, especially when an ACL is involved.  You want to rush him back premature, that's fine, that's your opinion. I would rather go by those who see him everyday at training, as to how far along he has come from his injury.

On that note, I'm just going to agree to disagree.
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yep some types take a lot longer gaining confidence after an ACL op some don't.
They way the SPL plays the longer he spends strengthening his body more so his legs the better.



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What I'm concerned about is the drastic change in climate from Australia to Scotland. If you grow up playing in Oz then you transfer to one of the coldest places on the planet I just wonder if this has contributed to the horrible injury run Rogic send Arzani have had.


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