Daniel Arzani being wasted at Celtic?!


Daniel Arzani being wasted at Celtic?!

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Ameryn74 - 10 Sep 2019 1:40 PM
What I'm concerned about is the drastic change in climate from Australia to Scotland. If you grow up playing in Oz then you transfer to one of the coldest places on the planet I just wonder if this has contributed to the horrible injury run Rogic send Arzani have had.


Hmmm, maybe at first, as there is a bit of a difference between the two (depending which time of year one moves). That said, Arzani has now been there for over a year, so I don't think it would be to bad for him now. Also, (IMO/personal experience) it is easier to adjust from a hot climate to a cold climate, then the other way around. Especially when it comes to physical activities and the like.


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LFC. - 10 Sep 2019 1:09 PM
yep some types take a lot longer gaining confidence after an ACL op some don't.
They way the SPL plays the longer he spends strengthening his body more so his legs the better.


Valid point.

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“CELTIC winger Daniel Arzani is set to miss a further month of football later this season after Australia confirmed they want him for an Olympic qualifying tournament in Thailand.”

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4706610/daniel-arzani-celtic-australia-olympics-injury/




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scott20won - 12 Sep 2019 4:11 AM

“CELTIC winger Daniel Arzani is set to miss a further month of football later this season after Australia confirmed they want him for an Olympic qualifying tournament in Thailand.”

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4706610/daniel-arzani-celtic-australia-olympics-injury/




At this stage it is better for him, guaranteed  football. As good as he is he hardly had played full games. 

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Mark457 - 12 Sep 2019 4:49 AM
scott20won - 12 Sep 2019 4:11 AM

At this stage it is better for him, guaranteed  football. As good as he is he hardly had played full games. 

Celtic fans will have a sook regardless lol
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I know there are a lot of qualified coaches on here, but perhaps Arzani isnt playing much for Celtic because he isnt that good.









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AJF - 12 Sep 2019 8:00 AM
I know there are a lot of qualified coaches on here, but perhaps Arzani isnt playing much for Celtic because he isnt that good.

Visit YouTube, search ‘Daniel Arzani highlights’ and see what he can do
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Balin Trev - 12 Sep 2019 8:58 AM
AJF - 12 Sep 2019 8:00 AM

Visit YouTube, search ‘Daniel Arzani highlights’ and see what he can do

Mate GTF with you youtube rubbish, there are thousands on youtube who look like Pele.
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We've seen Arzani play both here in australia and on an international stage. He is an exceptional talent. You dont need youtube videos to see that.

It may just be a case of he isnt the style of player that suits what Lennon wants to do or alternatively may still be short of a gallop following probably the worst injury a footballer can get.

The most important thing is that he gets back playing football asap. 
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New Signing - 12 Sep 2019 9:13 AM
We've seen Arzani play both here in australia and on an international stage. He is an exceptional talent. You dont need youtube videos to see that.

It may just be a case of he isnt the style of player that suits what Lennon wants to do or alternatively may still be short of a gallop following probably the worst injury a footballer can get.

The most important thing is that he gets back playing football asap. 

In a comp where majority of passes are backwards and average age is 30+, a young player who wants to go forward will always generate excitement, but facts are in 25 senior appearances (1,275 minutes of play) he has scored 2 goals and has 3 assists. For NT is is 1 goal in a firendly against Hungary. Hardly world beating and Rogers said it when he arrived at Celtic (he has a long way to go) and obviously Lennon doesnt see the potential either, so perhaps the harsh reality is he aint that good.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/daniel-arzani/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/399997









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Mark457 - 12 Sep 2019 4:49 AM
scott20won - 12 Sep 2019 4:11 AM

At this stage it is better for him, guaranteed  football. As good as he is he hardly had played full games. 

Agree.  It will get some competitive game time into him.
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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 12 Sep 2019 9:03 AM
Balin Trev - 12 Sep 2019 8:58 AM

Mate GTF with you youtube rubbish, there are thousands on youtube who look like Pele.

What better/quicker way to see display of his skills?!
Do you really think Manchester City would sign him if he wasn’t a class player?! 
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AJF - 12 Sep 2019 9:32 AM
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In a comp where majority of passes are backwards and average age is 30+, a young player who wants to go forward will always generate excitement, but facts are in 25 senior appearances (1,275 minutes of play) he has scored 2 goals and has 3 assists. For NT is is 1 goal in a firendly against Hungary. Hardly world beating and Rogers said it when he arrived at Celtic (he has a long way to go) and obviously Lennon doesnt see the potential either, so perhaps the harsh reality is he aint that good.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/daniel-arzani/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/399997

Yeah perhaps. Will see what level he is playing at in 5 years or so... I predict epl or bundesliga at least
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AJF - 12 Sep 2019 9:32 AM
New Signing - 12 Sep 2019 9:13 AM

In a comp where majority of passes are backwards and average age is 30+, a young player who wants to go forward will always generate excitement, but facts are in 25 senior appearances (1,275 minutes of play) he has scored 2 goals and has 3 assists. For NT is is 1 goal in a firendly against Hungary. Hardly world beating and Rogers said it when he arrived at Celtic (he has a long way to go) and obviously Lennon doesnt see the potential either, so perhaps the harsh reality is he aint that good.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/daniel-arzani/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/399997

Rather than look at stats as a stand alone decider of a players value watch him play. His style of play and directness means he is pulling defenders and midfielders out of position constantly to cover after he goes past a man. What that does is open up space for other players to exploit. He may not always get the final pass for the assist but it is the work he does that creates the room to open space for final passes and as a result chances. 

If your intent is to suggest that he has work to do in developing a final ball or finishing then yes ill agree with you but to say he isnt good enough as it stands i think is little more than knocking a young player down for the sake of it
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New Signing - 12 Sep 2019 10:22 AM
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Rather than look at stats as a stand alone decider of a players value watch him play. His style of play and directness means he is pulling defenders and midfielders out of position constantly to cover after he goes past a man. What that does is open up space for other players to exploit. He may not always get the final pass for the assist but it is the work he does that creates the room to open space for final passes and as a result chances. 

If your intent is to suggest that he has work to do in developing a final ball or finishing then yes ill agree with you but to say he isnt good enough as it stands i think is little more than knocking a young player down for the sake of it

As a forward there are 2 key stats you are judged on, goals and assists, ignoring them because it doesnt suit your narrative of him being a star doesnt change that fact.

I have watched him play and there is potential but unlike many on here I have not got wrapped up in the hype because the end product is missing........ just like his last 2 managers









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AJF - 12 Sep 2019 11:20 AM
New Signing - 12 Sep 2019 10:22 AM

As a forward there are 2 key stats you are judged on, goals and assists, ignoring them because it doesnt suit your narrative of him being a star doesnt change that fact.

I have watched him play and there is potential but unlike many on here I have not got wrapped up in the hype because the end product is missing........ just like his last 2 managers

In no way am i ignoring them. I clearly state that he has work to do on those exact things. There are clearly attributes he has at the present time that make him a standout player. Once he develops the composure in front of goal and adds the final ball, Things that predominantly come with experience he is going to be bordering on incredible
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New Signing - 12 Sep 2019 11:47 AM
AJF - 12 Sep 2019 11:20 AM

In no way am i ignoring them. I clearly state that he has work to do on those exact things. There are clearly attributes he has at the present time that make him a standout player. Once he develops the composure in front of goal and adds the final ball, Things that predominantly come with experience he is going to be bordering on incredible

Settle down son, he may become a good player in time, but there is no chance of him becoming incredible.









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He's at the 20th best league in Europe, outside Celtic and Rangers who are Pot 2/3 level Europa League sides the rest of the competition is Lithuania/Kazakhstan league level. 

He's not exactly at the most "gentle" competition, needs to take it easy with recovery.

Kid has talent, I would have preferred he ended up at a different competition though. Cutting it in the SPFL is not easy, hard grounds, intensity is decent, tackles are hard.  Plus Celtic is not a shit side either. 
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He isn’t a kid, he turns 21 in Jan. As for being a superstar, he is similar age to Pulisic, who also comes from a non-football country, just think about that for a moment








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AJF - 12 Sep 2019 12:53 PM
He isn’t a kid, he turns 21 in Jan. As for being a superstar, he is similar age to Pulisic, who also comes from a non-football country, just think about that for a moment

Still a kid. 

Didn't call him a superstar. Don't think he will ever become one. 
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Both he and rogic need to leave 
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JonoMV - 12 Sep 2019 1:00 PM
AJF - 12 Sep 2019 12:53 PM

Still a kid. 

Didn't call him a superstar. Don't think he will ever become one. 

When will he stop being a kid? 
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paladisious - 12 Sep 2019 7:28 AM
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Celtic fans will have a sook regardless lol

Yep. Celtic won’t even miss him or notice he’s gone anyway... They let him rot in Reserves side for weeks before his debut/injury and not looking good for Senior minutes anytime soon :-((
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Burztur - 12 Sep 2019 2:23 PM
JonoMV - 12 Sep 2019 1:00 PM

When will he stop being a kid? 

When he can grow a real mo ....


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Burztur - 12 Sep 2019 2:23 PM
JonoMV - 12 Sep 2019 1:00 PM

When will he stop being a kid? 

When he is no longer eligible for under 21. 



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I don't blame Celtic for not playing him. He might be over his injury, but even before his injury he wouldn't have lasted 90min, now he probably has a good bit of conditioning to do before considering starting him, and would they be likely to throw him on as a sub without the potential to use him more?

For Celtic/SPL, in terms of skill level he is more than good enough. However he needs to be confident of his body, and he needs fitness/conditioning. I hope there is open and honest discussion between him and the coaching staff as to what is best for him, as it's to the benefit of nobody of him just hanging about unless he is just there for the training sessions.
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phreeky - 13 Sep 2019 11:53 PM
I don't blame Celtic for not playing him. He might be over his injury, but even before his injury he wouldn't have lasted 90min, now he probably has a good bit of conditioning to do before considering starting him, and would they be likely to throw him on as a sub without the potential to use him more?

For Celtic/SPL, in terms of skill level he is more than good enough. However he needs to be confident of his body, and he needs fitness/conditioning. I hope there is open and honest discussion between him and the coaching staff as to what is best for him, as it's to the benefit of nobody of him just hanging about unless he is just there for the training sessions.

Why did he go to Scotland? Must be dirty on himself. He can sit on a bench till he gets fed up, then go to dutch league.
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phreeky - 13 Sep 2019 11:53 PM

Why did he go to Scotland? Must be dirty on himself. He can sit on a bench till he gets fed up, then go to dutch league.

Rogic told him its goo.d at Celtic.  Now ay he would have gone to any other club in Scotland

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I wonder if a loan back to Melbourne City might happen? L
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soccerfoo - 14 Sep 2019 4:42 PM
phreeky - 13 Sep 2019 11:53 PM

Why did he go to Scotland? Must be dirty on himself. He can sit on a bench till he gets fed up, then go to dutch league.

Well obviously he thought it was a good move and that he was ready. Wasn't he? I don't know, I don't know enough about sports science to know whether it was a factor in his injury or whether it was just unlucky.

Either he was ready and he got unlucky, he wasn't ready and it was a factor in his injury, or he wasn't ready but despite that it wasn't a factor in his injury.

Even if the latter is true, they may well have known he wasn't ready yet but had a plan to get him there over time.
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