[POLL- fixed] Do you care about New Zealand Football?


[POLL- fixed] Do you care about New Zealand Football?

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[POLL- fixed] Do you care about New Zealand Football?

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nomates - 11 Aug 2019 10:55 AM
This season Nix will cum last due to rebuilding, but the season after this one we should be heading for a top 4 finish.

Every side could and should say that 
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Either expand and include an Auckland side or encourage WP to sell their license to a group from within Australia.
I don't mind either way but the new A-League owners have to make a decision in the next few years imo. It isn't helping either side with this half-pregnant situation.


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Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 10:31 AM
someguyjc - 11 Aug 2019 10:28 AM

Their future confirmed??
Right up until FIFA/AFC put a stop to it.

The afc and fifa both support the Phoenix. There was reported to be tension with the afc at one point but those stories have gone quiet and the afc had no qualms giving the Phoenix an extension last time. They've had a regime change since they were upset anyway. Fifa has always been supportive of the Phoenix, they don't want the ofc to have no professional teams. When the afc reportedly had issues fifa reportedly stepped in and overruled them.

The confederation discussion is a non story.

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karta - 11 Aug 2019 11:10 AM
Either expand and include an Auckland side or encourage WP to sell their license to a group from within Australia.
I don't mind either way but the new A-League owners have to make a decision in the next few years imo. It isn't helping either side with this half-pregnant situation.


The A-League owners aren’t “half pregnant” over Nix though. They’ve given their unequivocal support to Nix who aren’t  going anywhere  now. 
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Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 9:52 AM
Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's  federation?
Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know.
I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation.  Happy to be proven wrong. 

Swansea city for starters !
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SUTHERLANDBEAR - 11 Aug 2019 11:16 AM
Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 9:52 AM

Swansea city for starters !

I don’t see what the confederation has to do with it anyway, why does it matter that Nix are in a different confederation anyway? 

Wales has professional clubs in Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport all playing in English competitions - that’s more controversial than the one professional club in NZ playing in Australia’s 
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karta - 11 Aug 2019 11:10 AM
Either expand and include an Auckland side or encourage WP to sell their license to a group from within Australia.
I don't mind either way but the new A-League owners have to make a decision in the next few years imo. It isn't helping either side with this half-pregnant situation.


It is no longer a half-pregnant situation caused by the FFA's inability to run a league. The Nix are one of the new A-League owners, along with all of the other HAL clubs. The league becoming independent automatically grants the Nix a licence and a share in the league. They are here to stay for the foreseeable future. The only people that actually have a say in the matter have continually supported their inclusion in the comp. The decision has effectively been made by choosing to go independent now.

For them to be removed from the league it can only happen in a number of ways. Firstly if the majority of shareholders of the league (ie: other clubs) all vote to have them removed. Highly unlikely in my opinion. Secondly, they choose to sell the licence to another club. Possible, but would also require a majority vote from the shareholders to approve the sale. Thirdly, if they are in breach of the licence agreement (eg: not paying salaries, etc) they could have their licence revoked. Finally, FIFA/AFC could step in and vito them out. Also highly unlikely anytime soon as they have had those opportunities in the past and always ended up supporting their inclusion in the comp.

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Leeching off us for years, go fund your own league. 
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Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 9:52 AM
Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's  federation?
Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know.
I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation.  Happy to be proven wrong. 

*CLICK HERE*

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BrisbaneBhoy - 11 Aug 2019 11:38 AM
Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 9:52 AM

*CLICK HERE*

On that list, the Nix are the only club who plays in a country that is not part of their confederation.
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Waz - 11 Aug 2019 11:33 AM
SUTHERLANDBEAR - 11 Aug 2019 11:16 AM

I don’t see what the confederation has to do with it anyway, why does it matter that Nix are in a different confederation anyway? 

Wales has professional clubs in Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport all playing in English competitions - that’s more controversial than the one professional club in NZ playing in Australia’s 

England and Wales are both members of UEFA💡


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BA81 - 11 Aug 2019 11:59 AM
Waz - 11 Aug 2019 11:33 AM

England and Wales are both members of UEFA💡

I know they are but so what? 

The Confederations are an administrative zone for FIFA to run its world - there is no reason why a club like Nix can’t play across confederations. 

That seems to be FIFAs view too. 
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To answer the topic question, yes I do care about NZ football. Sarpreet Singh blowing up for Bayern right now is going to have a knock-on effect(or should, anyway) for Aussie juniors looking to the HAL as a pathway.

That said, because we've been in different confeds for as long as we have, something long-term concrete's gonna have to give re. the Nix and their continental-comp eligibility. As of now they're neither eligible for the ACL or O-League, so something ought to put that issue to bed.

Personally I'd gift them an annual playoff against NZ's national-league champion for the right to play in the O-League en route to the World Club Championship.


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someguyjc - 11 Aug 2019 11:46 AM
BrisbaneBhoy - 11 Aug 2019 11:38 AM

On that list, the Nix are the only club who plays in a country that is not part of their confederation.

That is true. But that wasn't the question.

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BrisbaneBhoy - 11 Aug 2019 12:11 PM
someguyjc - 11 Aug 2019 11:46 AM

That is true. But that wasn't the question.

Yes it was. Champagne Football posted the question "Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation?"
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Waz - 11 Aug 2019 11:33 AM
SUTHERLANDBEAR - 11 Aug 2019 11:16 AM

I don’t see what the confederation has to do with it anyway, why does it matter that Nix are in a different confederation anyway? 

Wales has professional clubs in Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport all playing in English competitions - that’s more controversial than the one professional club in NZ playing in Australia’s 

Fair enough if that's your view. But as has already been pointed out, those clubs you listed are all recognized by UEFA. It's a totally false comparison and definitely isn't "more controversial" than WP playing in the A League. 
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someguyjc - 11 Aug 2019 12:16 PM
BrisbaneBhoy - 11 Aug 2019 12:11 PM

Yes it was. Champagne Football posted the question "Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation?"

Sorry but you just proved BrisbaneBhoy's point. He asked about federations. Federation is national (FFA), confederation is the region (AFC). Some people seem to be using the terms interchangeably which looks to be a cause of confusion.
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someguyjc - 11 Aug 2019 12:16 PM
BrisbaneBhoy - 11 Aug 2019 12:11 PM

Yes it was. Champagne Football posted the question "Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation?"

Correct!
Nobody can name any other club in that category. 
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Kamaryn - 11 Aug 2019 12:36 PM
someguyjc - 11 Aug 2019 12:16 PM

Sorry but you just proved BrisbaneBhoy's point. He asked about federations. Federation is national (FFA), confederation is the region (AFC). Some people seem to be using the terms interchangeably which looks to be a cause of confusion.

Ah gotcha, yep I was getting the two confused. But I think Champagne Football was originally referring to 'confederation' (eg: AFC, OFC, etc). Can which you meant Champagn Football?
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Kamaryn - 11 Aug 2019 12:36 PM
someguyjc - 11 Aug 2019 12:16 PM

Sorry but you just proved BrisbaneBhoy's point. He asked about federations. Federation is national (FFA), confederation is the region (AFC). Some people seem to be using the terms interchangeably which looks to be a cause of confusion.

Well CONfederation then!  I think you knew what I meant.
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jeggohouse - 11 Aug 2019 12:36 PM
Waz - 11 Aug 2019 11:33 AM

Fair enough if that's your view. But as has already been pointed out, those clubs you listed are all recognized by UEFA. It's a totally false comparison and definitely isn't "more controversial" than WP playing in the A League. 

I would say it is more controversial. 

Wales clearly has enough professional clubs to run its own professional league and grow the game in Wales. I (assume) that supporters in Wales and England aren’t up in arms over this topic though and that football forums aren’t flooded with nonsense debates on the topic? 

Then we get to the non argument. There’s isn’t a FIFA ruling that prohibits clubs from one confederation competing in a different confederations tournaments. 

Nix are permitted by FIFA to play in Australia. 

Israel, for political reasons, are allowed to play in some UEFA competitions 

I’m pretty sure if the Falkland Islands ever put up a national team they would be assigned to a different confederation to Argentina because FIFA allows these types of exceptions 

So Nix from OFC playing in Australia is permitted by FIFA, so its a non argument... it is in fact a made up point for the convenience of arguing about it. 

People can argue about Nix in/out all they like - but don’t make stuff up: FIFA allow Nix to participate so there’s no argument there. 
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"Israel, for political reasons, are allowed to play in some UEFA competitions "

Not 'some' UEFA competitions - all.  Israel is part of UEFA, as is Kazakhstan, but they both moved confederations, as Australia also did from OFC to AFC, but NZ have not.
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Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 1:04 PM
"Israel, for political reasons, are allowed to play in some UEFA competitions "

Not 'some' UEFA competitions - all.  Israel is part of UEFA, as is Kazakhstan, but they both moved confederations, as Australia also did from OFC to AFC, but NZ have not.

Let’s keep it simple then:

FIFA allows clubs like Nix to compete across Confederations - so what is the argument about? 
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Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 9:52 AM
Can anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's  federation?
Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know.
I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation.  Happy to be proven wrong. 

Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps.

What you describe is hardly unusual.

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quickflick - 11 Aug 2019 1:10 PM
Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 9:52 AM

Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps.

What you describe is hardly unusual.

And the English town of Berwick play in the Scottish leagues because Scotland is apparently closer than the rest of England. Oh the humanity ... 😂
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quickflick - 11 Aug 2019 1:10 PM
Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 9:52 AM

Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps.

What you describe is hardly unusual.

WTF are you talking about?
Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA).
USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF).

Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual.  In fact, unique it appears.
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Waz - 11 Aug 2019 12:49 PM
jeggohouse - 11 Aug 2019 12:36 PM

I would say it is more controversial. 

Wales clearly has enough professional clubs to run its own professional league and grow the game in Wales. I (assume) that supporters in Wales and England aren’t up in arms over this topic though and that football forums aren’t flooded with nonsense debates on the topic? 

Then we get to the non argument. There’s isn’t a FIFA ruling that prohibits clubs from one confederation competing in a different confederations tournaments. 

Nix are permitted by FIFA to play in Australia. 

Israel, for political reasons, are allowed to play in some UEFA competitions 

I’m pretty sure if the Falkland Islands ever put up a national team they would be assigned to a different confederation to Argentina because FIFA allows these types of exceptions 

So Nix from OFC playing in Australia is permitted by FIFA, so its a non argument... it is in fact a made up point for the convenience of arguing about it. 

People can argue about Nix in/out all they like - but don’t make stuff up: FIFA allow Nix to participate so there’s no argument there. 

Actually the Nix aren't permitted to play in the ACL if they've qualified for it. Do some research, like you seemingly not knowing Wales does indeed have its own national league pyramid, and that Swansea/Cardiff/Wrexham competing in England is generally not resented by fans of The New Saints, Caernarfon Town etc. I say 'seemingly' bc of how dodgy you've phrased it.

For someone whose first language(I'm assuming) is English you've a shonky command of it, to put it generously💡😂😂

All banter aside, the real question Waz is why do YOU so badly want the Nix to remain in the HAL for??


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Waz - 11 Aug 2019 1:08 PM
Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 1:04 PM

Let’s keep it simple then:

FIFA allows clubs like Nix to compete across Confederations - so what is the argument about? 

There has also been some talk about the possibility of some Russian clubs (those in the Far East) joining the Japanese football leagues. Nothing has come of it yet (and may never), but conversations have been had.

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Champagne Football - 11 Aug 2019 12:47 PM
Kamaryn - 11 Aug 2019 12:36 PM

Well CONfederation then!  I think you knew what I meant.

Most didn't, hence their (and mine) comments 🙂

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