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Blew.2
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Can anyone give me physical proof or which confederation the Wellington Phoenix is registered under to play in the Hyundai A-League. PS:Hyundai love the exposure in NZ on skysport and at Nix games
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scott20won
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+xCan anyone give me physical proof or which confederation the Wellington Phoenix is registered under to play in the Hyundai A-League. PS:Hyundai love the exposure in NZ on skysport and at Nix games https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?abn=24205310195
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RyanM
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Century city was Terry, Rob is Welnix
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Blew.2
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+xCentury city was Terry, Rob is Welnix Looks like the registration as an Australian entity is current and trading in Australia Trading name | From |
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WSF
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Going to be a special day when Nix get the boot.
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nomates
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So Nix "are" an Australian club that just happens to be based in New Zealand. Now for a Auckland and Oceania club to join the league and we are set.
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scott20won
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+xGoing to be a special day when Nix get the boot.
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scott20won
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+xSo Nix "are" an Australian club that just happens to be based in New Zealand. Now for a Auckland and Oceania club to join the league and we are set. This will be the same for a Singapore club. Australian registered. Pretty sure it’s why Nix can’t play in OFC CL or NZ Cups (and Club World Cup) AFC just chooses to not allow them to play in ACL. As a condition they are allow in AL.
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nomates
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nomates
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+x+xSo Nix "are" an Australian club that just happens to be based in New Zealand. Now for a Auckland and Oceania club to join the league and we are set. This will be the same for a Singapore club. Australian registered. Pretty sure it’s why Nix can’t play in OFC CL or NZ Cups (and Club World Cup) AFC just chooses to not allow them to play in ACL. As a condition they are allow in AL. Yeah but that might change with the independent A-League>?. All Kiwis will be classed as visas players.
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T1m
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AFC tolerate Wellington but I wouldn't say that are for it. If they were they would be able to compete in the ACL.
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MarkfromCroydon
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The more I think about it, the more I’m coming around to the idea of an extra team from NZ.
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Blew.2
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+x+xGoing to be a special day when Nix get the boot. Love the five stars
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Nah, fuck subsidizing another countries football development to the tune of ~3 million AUD a season. People act like it's not a zero sum game when it really is - there's only so much TV money to go around and we're wasting it on another country when we could have another Aussie team instead.
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nomates
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+xNah, fuck subsidizing another countries football development to the tune of ~3 million AUD a season. People act like it's not a zero sum game when it really is - there's only so much TV money to go around and we're wasting it on another country when we could have another Aussie team instead. Lowy's gone man! and Gallop soon too!. Wellington is going nowhere and them funds will keep producing NZ kids like Singh and Boyde.
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+x+xNah, fuck subsidizing another countries football development to the tune of ~3 million AUD a season. People act like it's not a zero sum game when it really is - there's only so much TV money to go around and we're wasting it on another country when we could have another Aussie team instead. Lowy's gone man! and Gallop soon too!. Wellington is going nowhere and them funds will keep producing NZ kids like Singh and Boyde. Probably a shit example to use considering he ditched you blokes
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Champagne Football
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+xThe more I think about it, the more I’m coming around to the idea of an extra team from NZ. Hell no!
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CHEP
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NZ football and the Nix are two completely seperate topics imo.
Does NZ football even give two shits about the Nix? From an outsiders (Aussie) perspective, it doesn’t seem like it. Feels more like Auckland City have been the pride of NZ given their efforts at the CWC.
NZ football is just an extension of the elephant in the room that is Oceania and the fact they are just left to float out at sea (literally) by FIFA without any care or consideration.
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RyanM
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There's a lot of bad blood between NZ football and the Nix and not a lot of support. Dome was interviewed where he seemed pretty bitter about the relationship. Things seem to have fawed since the last lot at NZF were booted out but it's probably an uneasy alliance more than anything.
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nomates
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+xThere's a lot of bad blood between NZ football and the Nix and not a lot of support. Dome was interviewed where he seemed pretty bitter about the relationship. Things seem to have fawed since the last lot at NZF were booted out but it's probably an uneasy alliance more than anything. NZF don't want/wont support Nix to have a W-League team, there a bunch of knuts!.
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+xSo Nix "are" an Australian club that just happens to be based in New Zealand. Now for a Auckland and Oceania club to join the league and we are set. If that's the case then Nix should be subject to the same foreign player restrictions as other HAL clubs.
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RyanM
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I don't think that's the case, I'm pretty sure that the Phoenix are NZ registered now. Those records above are for the old entity, WelNix didn't buy the Phoenix off Terry they set up a new team and the FFA stripped Terry of the branding, license, and players and WelNix took over. I'm surprised century city football hasn't been wound down, all it would be is a company with no assets and some debts. On that ABN is it possible to see when the last financial information was filed? My guess is it's pretty much dormant and is only there because no one has done the paperwork to shut it down. AFAIK this is the Phoenix holding company: https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/3522632I remember around the time of the ownership change it was reported that the Phoenix were an Australian team that played out of NZ but now it's a NZ team which plays in Australia which made it possible to have things like the Phoenix reserves playing in the NZ Premiership as well as teams in the central league, capital premiership, etc.
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Feed_The_Brox
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+xAustralia needs Wellington more then Wellington needs Australia. lol.
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petszk
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+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. AFAIK, Wellington Phoenix are unique in that they compete in a league different confederation (OFC->AFC). As others have mentioned, there are plenty of teams that compete in a different country within the same confederation - probably more than most people realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_countryHowever, the French cup is open to all teams in France AND in French overseas territories.meaning that the French cup, despite being a "domestic" competition in a UEFA nation, includes clubs from the North American, African and Oceanian confererations. In last season's cup, teams from France had to travel to Martinique, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Reunion and New Caledonia, and teams from Reunion, Mayotte, French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Tahiti had to travel to France as part of the cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there is a precedent for teams in one confederation competing in a domestic competition within another confederation.
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Nix kicked out yet?
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+x+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. AFAIK, Wellington Phoenix are unique in that they compete in a league different confederation (OFC->AFC). As others have mentioned, there are plenty of teams that compete in a different country within the same confederation - probably more than most people realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_countryHowever, the French cup is open to all teams in France AND in French overseas territories.meaning that the French cup, despite being a "domestic" competition in a UEFA nation, includes clubs from the North American, African and Oceanian confererations. In last season's cup, teams from France had to travel to Martinique, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Reunion and New Caledonia, and teams from Reunion, Mayotte, French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Tahiti had to travel to France as part of the cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there is a precedent for teams in one confederation competing in a domestic competition within another confederation. That's a cup, not a domestic competition/league.
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ErogenousZone
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Let Auckland join the A League, then NZF will really be made to look fools of.
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jeggohouse
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This is a tired argument. I accept like most others that the Nix are here for the foreseeable future, but let's not make stuff up to try and justify/normalize their inclusion. No one has actually yet provided an example of another club playing in a full-length, season-long domestic league competition that is from another CONfederation (not federation!). Cup competitions/invitational tournaments are not the same thing as a domestic league competition. Also, FIFA's total and utter indifference to Australian football hardly equates to "FIFA are pro-Wellington playing in a different confederation". If the AFC decided to really kick up a massive stink about WP being in the HAL (which isn't out of the realms of possibility, as they're ineligible for the ACL, and their is already a fair bit of resentment from the rest of Asia towards us "non-Asians" anyway), FIFA wouldn't hesitate to promptly kick them out.
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TimmyJ
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I don't really know why the different confeds is an issue. Just administrative really.
Also NZ football is not all nix. You can like NZ football and want the nix out.
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petszk
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+x+x+x+x+xCan anyone name one other club in world football that doesn't play in their own country's federation? Not having a go (maybe I am), but I am genuinely interested to know. I think Wellington are to only club in the world in that situation. Happy to be proven wrong. Sure, I can name five on the spot. Swansea City, Cardiff City, Montreal Impact, Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps. What you describe is hardly unusual. WTF are you talking about? Wales and England are in the same confederation (UEFA). USA and Canada are in the same confederation (CONCACAF). Australia (AFC) and NZ (OFC) are not in the same confederation. That is unusual. In fact, unique it appears. AFAIK, Wellington Phoenix are unique in that they compete in a league different confederation (OFC->AFC). As others have mentioned, there are plenty of teams that compete in a different country within the same confederation - probably more than most people realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_countryHowever, the French cup is open to all teams in France AND in French overseas territories.meaning that the French cup, despite being a "domestic" competition in a UEFA nation, includes clubs from the North American, African and Oceanian confererations. In last season's cup, teams from France had to travel to Martinique, French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Reunion and New Caledonia, and teams from Reunion, Mayotte, French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Tahiti had to travel to France as part of the cup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there is a precedent for teams in one confederation competing in a domestic competition within another confederation. That's a cup, not a domestic competition/league. The French cup isn't a domestic competition?
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