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Watch live stream boys.
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Neser with two early wickets. Starc hasnt got one yet. 

Khawaja named captain for this game. Was surprised he was never even in the discussion after Newlands. Been a very good leader for Queensland and the type of calm character. Probably also the type who would benefit from the extra responsibility. That said Travis Head is very much a captain in waiting. 




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RedKat - 29 Aug 2019 9:28 PM
Neser with two early wickets. Starc hasnt got one yet. 

Khawaja named captain for this game. Was surprised he was never even in the discussion after Newlands. Been a very good leader for Queensland and the type of calm character. Probably also the type who would benefit from the extra responsibility. That said Travis Head is very much a captain in waiting. 



been watching it. 
Neser looks the pick. Tho Marsh swung it while Siddle was economical. Starc wicketless in his opening spell. Seems the norm with him now. I honestly cant see him playing a test this series.
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There was talk pre-match of Starc bowling himself into selection with some wickets but Neser now 3/20. Neser's very much been spoken of as the sixth bowler. Think Langer said something about having 5 world class quicks a very good one in Neser but if Neser kept going here and posted a 10fer in this game could he sneak in? I dont think so tbh. More than likely if Starc doesnt bowl himself in theyll go unchanged bowling attack.

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This Leus du Plooy is definitely the pick of the batsman on the Derbyshire side. Got a FC of 46, List A average of 58 and a T20 average of 33. 

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Starc takes 3 in an over as he runs through their tail. Know thisll lead to even more comments that he should have played in the third test to clear up leach.

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RedKat - 30 Aug 2019 12:11 AM
Starc takes 3 in an over as he runs through their tail. Know thisll lead to even more comments that he should have played in the third test to clear up leach.

 People forget that lower order/tailend batsmen are far inferior in all facets to a specialist batsman. Rather than total praise we should be saying in the same breath you are picked to clean up opening batsmen.
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baggygreenmania - 30 Aug 2019 10:17 AM
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 People forget that lower order/tailend batsmen are far inferior in all facets to a specialist batsman. Rather than total praise we should be saying to Starc in the same breath you are picked to clean up opening batsmen.

I missed the Aussie innings. How did Khawaja go. Did he look comfortable opening?
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baggygreenmania - 29 Aug 2019 10:10 PM
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been watching it. 
Neser looks the pick. Tho Marsh swung it while Siddle was economical. Starc wicketless in his opening spell. Seems the norm with him now. I honestly cant see him playing a test this series.

I've just looked at Cricinfo.

I wonder how well Neser bowled with the older ball?

Is Neser actually bowling better, or has he had the luck, Baggers?

Live he has been impressive at Bellerive in the last few seasons.
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baggygreenmania - 30 Aug 2019 10:18 AM
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I missed the Aussie innings. How did Khawaja go. Did he look comfortable opening?

Usman is still in I think - 18 NO, whilst Harris is 52 NO.
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baggygreenmania - 30 Aug 2019 10:17 AM
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 People forget that lower order/tailend batsmen are far inferior in all facets to a specialist batsman. Rather than total praise we should be saying in the same breath you are picked to clean up opening batsmen.

True, Baggers.

It is good to have someone to clean up the tail though, even if he is underperforming against specialist  batters.
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Decentric - 30 Aug 2019 1:37 PM
baggygreenmania - 29 Aug 2019 10:10 PM

I've just looked at Cricinfo.

I wonder how well Neser bowled with the older ball?

Is Neser actually bowling better, or has he had the luck, Baggers?

Live he has been impressive at Bellerive in the last few seasons.

DC did you not watch the live link I left you all. Or did you have one of your functions? Neser was the pick of the quicks because he did what Cummins and Hazlewood have done all series.. pitched up the ball and let what was in the pitch work its magic. 
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A flood of runs by our boys. But it was an absolute road. There is some noise around that Mitch Marsh is set for a recall.
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Decentric - 30 Aug 2019 1:40 PM
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True, Baggers.

It is good to have someone to clean up the tail though, even if he is underperforming against specialist  batters.

He actually took early wickets last nite. Langer is praising him. So we may see him back for Manchester. So who goes? 
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baggygreenmania - 31 Aug 2019 9:43 AM
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He actually took early wickets last nite. Langer is praising him. So we may see him back for Manchester. So who goes? 

Where is every one. 
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wouldn't mind 4 seemers depending on the pitch

mind you lyon cleaned up on day 5 of the first test
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grazorblade - 31 Aug 2019 10:12 AM
wouldn't mind 4 seemers depending on the pitch

mind you lyon cleaned up on day 5 of the first test

Yes but Lyon has been well below par since. I am for an all pace attack if it is another seaming deck. We have spin options in Labuchagne , Smith or Head if needed.
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baggygreenmania - 31 Aug 2019 12:11 PM
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Yes but Lyon has been well below par since. I am for an all pace attack if it is another seaming deck. We have spin options in Labuchagne , Smith or Head if needed.

Is he out of form?

Or is he  bowling on pitches that have been less helpful?

Paine discussed how many catches he had dropped off his bowling, and suggested his figures would have looked a lot better if they had stuck.



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baggygreenmania - 29 Aug 2019 10:10 PM
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been watching it. 
Neser looks the pick. Tho Marsh swung it while Siddle was economical. Starc wicketless in his opening spell. Seems the norm with him now. I honestly cant see him playing a test this series.

Pretty amazing to think Starc won't play a Test.  

If we wound the clock back 8 months, Starc was considered the spearhead of the attack. 
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baggygreenmania - 31 Aug 2019 9:43 AM
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He actually took early wickets last nite. Langer is praising him. So we may see him back for Manchester. So who goes? 

Starc took 5 wickets by stumps, but no top order wickets in the first innings. Most of the Aussie batsmen have made runs too.

The opposition may have been average though.
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baggygreenmania - 31 Aug 2019 9:40 AM
A flood of runs by our boys. But it was an absolute road. There is some noise around that Mitch Marsh is set for a recall.

I'd rather Neser than Marsh, but I haven't heard much about his batting.
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RedKat - 29 Aug 2019 9:28 PM


Khawaja named captain for this game. Was surprised he was never even in the discussion after Newlands. Been a very good leader for Queensland and the type of calm character. Probably also the type who would benefit from the extra responsibility. 



Is Usman a sound choice as skipper at Test level, even if he is a reasonable state captain?
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I read in the Murdoch press today that according to Lyon he has never played in such a tight knit Australian team!

Tasmanian teams under Bailey, and Paine as his VC, were like this too, according players who came from other states to play for Tassie - Mark Cosgrove, Ed Cowan.

Food for thought about issues of Aussie Test captaincy.

Those calling for Usman as Aussie captain, because he has captained Queensland and the Aus 11 for this game, might have more to consider.
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baggygreenmania - 31 Aug 2019 9:43 AM
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Where is every one. 

Many posters are here posting except you, Baggers!
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Easy win for Australia by an innings and 53 runs. But this is the result you would expect against 3rd last Derbyshire in Div 2 County Cricket. For those that don't see bias in the media look at these two articles by NSW media

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/steve-smith-australia-tour-match-derbyshire-england-ashes-fourth-test-highlights/2019-08-31

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/australia-derbyshire-day-three-match-report-ashes-tour-match-live-stream-scores-report-highlights/2019-09-01

In both articles they point out Derbyshire is 3rd last, diminishing the quality of the opposition, thus it is nothing to really judge performances by. You expect this type of defeat. However when we played Worcestershire, not once did they point out that they were 2nd last. That would be because Starc and Hazlewood were bowling, the media pretended that point didn't exist. In that particular match Australia relied on a declaration in the first innings, it was a poor performance generally when you can't bowl the 2nd last placed team out so the 3rd test result is not as surprising as some believe. Nothing but promotion of a certain individual player with regards to that particular match. Starc is definitely on the outer with regards to the bias media, which does put into perspective the ethics of media, do they really want Australia to perform well or are they happy to see Australia fail so they can write more interesting articles. Don't trust the views of anyone involved with the media, they just promote their pets.

Personally I would like to see Starc and Pattinson open the bowling, with Cummins first change and if they do let Lyons rest then Neser. Imagine the batting line up with Starc coming in at No11. Some people think the batting let us down in the last test so this bowling line up improves that aspect, so they can't object. But you can't not take a spinner into a test and Lyon is the best off spinner I've seen play for Australia and his record proves that, not all pitches are conducive to spin but when they are he will win the test for us, like he has done on many occasions in the past.

With regards to captaincy, I see no problem with Paine, he just needs to look at Border, for some ideas on how to captain when you're reluctantly placed in that position. Don't listen to outside influences, put some of the prima donnas back in their place, call it as it really is and he will turn this side around, just like he did in the first test. When he is given the correct side and he utilises their strengths he will succeed, like the first test proved. Khawaja has more to worry about then the captaincy, like batting.
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Starc took 5 wickets by stumps, but no top order wickets in the first innings. Most of the Aussie batsmen have made runs too.

The opposition may have been average though.

Only two top order wicket out of his six. Neser impressed in the first innings. Marsh in the second. I am hearing Marsh is firming for a recall.
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Batting wise this was an absolute road. Did we expect anything else for a tour game. No. So runs were easier to attain than wickets so much need not be read into those who scored big.. Starc has made a claim to return but take note only two of his 6 were top order. If they are going no Marsh and 4 quicks..Neser just pips Siddle. Dont kick down your front door fellars  if Mitch Marsh is recalled. He is firming.



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If they are bringing Mitchell Marsh back it must be an indication that they want to recall Starc, but don't trust him in the middle overs. 

With Paine batting so poorly, I think this is a really terrible idea. If he wasn't captain they could give the gloves to Wade, then put Marsh at 7.  
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baggygreenmania - 30 Aug 2019 10:17 AM
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 People forget that lower order/tailend batsmen are far inferior in all facets to a specialist batsman. Rather than total praise we should be saying in the same breath you are picked to clean up opening batsmen.

A tail is still a dog when it’s wagging! 
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baggygreenmania - 31 Aug 2019 12:11 PM
grazorblade - 31 Aug 2019 10:12 AM

Yes but Lyon has been well below par since. I am for an all pace attack if it is another seaming deck. We have spin options in Labuchagne , Smith or Head if needed.

Not having a specialist spinner is always a mistake. Mostly because you have to listen to Shane Warne whinge about it in the commentary!
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