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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. DC are you also noting that Ben Mac's technique looks more solid this year. He did ok in FC.. @29 last summer. Expect that to rise this time round.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. DC are you also noting that Ben Mac's technique looks more solid this year. He did ok in FC.. @29 last summer. Expect that to rise this time round. Bushies in big poo.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Sanga is 5'8" - which makes him a giant in Sri Lanka. Not being racist or prejudist, but many Sri Lankans are not tall on average, shorter than their Indian and even Bangladeshi neighbours. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Human-height/Average-female-height
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Sanga is 5'8" - which makes him a giant in Sri Lanka. Not being racist or prejudist, but many Sri Lankans are not tall on average, shorter than their Indian and even Bangladeshi neighbours. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Human-height/Average-female-height
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Sanga is 5'8" - which makes him a giant in Sri Lanka. Not being racist or prejudist, but many Sri Lankans are not tall on average, shorter than their Indian and even Bangladeshi neighbours. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Human-height/Average-female-height Maturity showing in Ben McDermott's game. @50 List A average. CA needs to get him into out summer ODI squad pronto.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. I'm predicting another big year from Steketee who is now 25, last year 42 wickets @21, massive drop in his overall FC record, another big year he will be pushing for Australian selection. Big scalps yesterday in Finch, Pucovski, Handscomb and Maddinson. Replays show that Maddinson still can't play shots at bowling directed at the body. I didn't see Victoria's innings yesterday, but by all reports Stanlake wasn't overly impressive, what was your take? Matthew Kuhnemann may get a chance this year at FC level. 3 from 3 for Qld and no Chris Lynn I know your talking about Ben McDermott, but Caleb Jewell stepping up as well only 22, but definitely ready for the step up to FC cricket. His innings against WA was impressive considering WA's bowling attack. Lots of juniors all stepping up Baggers, pressure on your NSW boys to do the same. Big game today at Drummoyne WA against your boys back in their safety zone. What's your prediction Baggers? Slow pitch to nullify WA pace attack? Warner and Smith should play, NSW top order has been pretty ordinary in the first two games but Jack Edwards and Nick Bertus performing well, but who to drop for Warner and Smith, based on performance I'd say Patterson and Hughes. Based on the games so far I think there are plenty of youth putting their hands up and the List A games is where they first get noticed. My list so far would be Philippe, Heazlett, Bryant, Meredith, Pope, Sutherland, Edwards, Steketee, Jewell, Jhye Richardson, Matthew Kelly and we still haven't seen the best of Pucovski and Labuchagne is only 25 as well. Nair has potential but has to concentrate on bowling better and no longer has a NSW contract so he is interesting to see where he goes. Bowling line up of Meredith, Kelly, Richardson, Steketee ,Pope. along with Cummins only 26, Batting lineup Philippe, Heazlett, Labuchagne, Smith (may play till 40), Pucovski. Just need WK ? Pierson (26) and a No 6 batsman Travis Head (25) No 6 all rounder Jack Edwards if he can improve his bowling. Future looks very promising, wait for another 2 years for some more youth to come through. Makes you wonder why put up with batsmen that struggle to get double figure scores eg Warner, Khawaja, Bancroft, Harris and bowlers who finish test series with 30-40 averages eg Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Siddle, Lyon the youth is there to try replace 1 or 2 at a time see how they go. Based on yesterdays games, I think Australia's opening batsmen problem may be solved, drop Warner and Co and bring in Beth Mooney and Alyssa Healy The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope The side I think selectors will go with Warner, Khawaja, Labuchagne, Smith, Wade, M Marsh, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Lyon, Hazlewood. SSDD
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Chappell was 6 foot 1 Bill Lawry 6 foot 2 and Hayden was 6 foot 2, Ian Chappell, Mike Hussey and Adam Gilchrist were 5 foot 11 but they're the only tallish batsmen for Australia that I can thick of unless you look at the all- rounders. Paddles remember Sangakkara standing alongside Michael Vandort at 2 metres, that showed how small Sanga was and didn't you have "2 metre Peter" Fulton
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. DC are you also noting that Ben Mac's technique looks more solid this year. He did ok in FC.. @29 last summer. Expect that to rise this time round. No. I've only had a look at him in one game though. I've also learnt not to extrapolate white ball cricket from to red ball cricket. It is good his technique has improved.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Chappell was 6 foot 1 Bill Lawry 6 foot 2 and Hayden was 6 foot 2, Ian Chappell, Mike Hussey and Adam Gilchrist were 5 foot 11 but they're the only tallish batsmen for Australia that I can thick of unless you look at the all- rounders. Paddles remember Sangakkara standing alongside Michael Vandort at 2 metres, that showed how small Sanga was and didn't you have "2 metre Peter" Fulton I'd have to convert most of these heights to metric measurement.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Based on yesterdays games, I think Australia's opening batsmen problem may be solved, drop Warner and Co and bring in Beth Mooney and Alyssa Healy LOL!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. I'm predicting another big year from Steketee who is now 25, last year 42 wickets @21, massive drop in his overall FC record, another big year he will be pushing for Australian selection. Big scalps yesterday in Finch, Pucovski, Handscomb and Maddinson. Replays show that Maddinson still can't play shots at bowling directed at the body. I didn't see Victoria's innings yesterday, but by all reports Stanlake wasn't overly impressive, what was your take? Matthew Kuhnemann may get a chance this year at FC level. 3 from 3 for Qld and no Chris Lynn I know your talking about Ben McDermott, but Caleb Jewell stepping up as well only 22, but definitely ready for the step up to FC cricket. His innings against WA was impressive considering WA's bowling attack. Lots of juniors all stepping up Baggers, pressure on your NSW boys to do the same. Big game today at Drummoyne WA against your boys back in their safety zone. What's your prediction Baggers? Slow pitch to nullify WA pace attack? Warner and Smith should play, NSW top order has been pretty ordinary in the first two games but Jack Edwards and Nick Bertus performing well, but who to drop for Warner and Smith, based on performance I'd say Patterson and Hughes. Based on the games so far I think there are plenty of youth putting their hands up and the List A games is where they first get noticed. My list so far would be Philippe, Heazlett, Bryant, Meredith, Pope, Sutherland, Edwards, Steketee, Jewell, Jhye Richardson, Matthew Kelly and we still haven't seen the best of Pucovski and Labuchagne is only 25 as well. Nair has potential but has to concentrate on bowling better and no longer has a NSW contract so he is interesting to see where he goes. Bowling line up of Meredith, Kelly, Richardson, Steketee ,Pope. along with Cummins only 26, Batting lineup Philippe, Heazlett, Labuchagne, Smith (may play till 40), Pucovski. Just need WK ? Pierson (26) and a No 6 batsman Travis Head (25) No 6 all rounder Jack Edwards if he can improve his bowling. Future looks very promising, wait for another 2 years for some more youth to come through. Makes you wonder why put up with batsmen that struggle to get double figure scores eg Warner, Khawaja, Bancroft, Harris and bowlers who finish test series with 30-40 averages eg Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Siddle, Lyon the youth is there to try replace 1 or 2 at a time see how they go. Based on yesterdays games, I think Australia's opening batsmen problem may be solved, drop Warner and Co and bring in Beth Mooney and Alyssa Healy The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope The side I think selectors will go with Warner, Khawaja, Labuchagne, Smith, Wade, M Marsh, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Lyon, Hazlewood. SSDD The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope Mike is this your preferred ODI or Test lineup? My ODI squad: NO WARNER. We both agree it is time for some new blood. Usman, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Heazlett/McDermott, Carey, Cummins, J Richardson, Faulkner, Tye, Agar/Pope, K Richardson, Pucovski.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Sanga is 5'8" - which makes him a giant in Sri Lanka. Not being racist or prejudist, but many Sri Lankans are not tall on average, shorter than their Indian and even Bangladeshi neighbours. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Human-height/Average-female-height 1m 73 cm or 1.73 metres.
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I still follow cricket in my state outside of state level Mike. Surprise.. surprise you actually posting something positive about a cricketer south of the border. Wonders shall never cease.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. What happened to Cutting, Mike? As Starc and Pattinson were starting their Test careers, Cutting lass looked like a good prospect in the same squad. He has also hammered the Tas attacking in the Shield.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. I'm predicting another big year from Steketee who is now 25, last year 42 wickets @21, massive drop in his overall FC record, another big year he will be pushing for Australian selection. Big scalps yesterday in Finch, Pucovski, Handscomb and Maddinson. Replays show that Maddinson still can't play shots at bowling directed at the body. I didn't see Victoria's innings yesterday, but by all reports Stanlake wasn't overly impressive, what was your take? Matthew Kuhnemann may get a chance this year at FC level. 3 from 3 for Qld and no Chris Lynn I know your talking about Ben McDermott, but Caleb Jewell stepping up as well only 22, but definitely ready for the step up to FC cricket. His innings against WA was impressive considering WA's bowling attack. Lots of juniors all stepping up Baggers, pressure on your NSW boys to do the same. Big game today at Drummoyne WA against your boys back in their safety zone. What's your prediction Baggers? Slow pitch to nullify WA pace attack? Warner and Smith should play, NSW top order has been pretty ordinary in the first two games but Jack Edwards and Nick Bertus performing well, but who to drop for Warner and Smith, based on performance I'd say Patterson and Hughes. Based on the games so far I think there are plenty of youth putting their hands up and the List A games is where they first get noticed. My list so far would be Philippe, Heazlett, Bryant, Meredith, Pope, Sutherland, Edwards, Steketee, Jewell, Jhye Richardson, Matthew Kelly and we still haven't seen the best of Pucovski and Labuchagne is only 25 as well. Nair has potential but has to concentrate on bowling better and no longer has a NSW contract so he is interesting to see where he goes. Bowling line up of Meredith, Kelly, Richardson, Steketee ,Pope. along with Cummins only 26, Batting lineup Philippe, Heazlett, Labuchagne, Smith (may play till 40), Pucovski. Just need WK ? Pierson (26) and a No 6 batsman Travis Head (25) No 6 all rounder Jack Edwards if he can improve his bowling. Future looks very promising, wait for another 2 years for some more youth to come through. Makes you wonder why put up with batsmen that struggle to get double figure scores eg Warner, Khawaja, Bancroft, Harris and bowlers who finish test series with 30-40 averages eg Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Siddle, Lyon the youth is there to try replace 1 or 2 at a time see how they go. Based on yesterdays games, I think Australia's opening batsmen problem may be solved, drop Warner and Co and bring in Beth Mooney and Alyssa Healy The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope The side I think selectors will go with Warner, Khawaja, Labuchagne, Smith, Wade, M Marsh, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Lyon, Hazlewood. SSDD The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope Mike is this your preferred ODI or Test lineup? My ODI squad: NO WARNER. We both agree it is time for some new blood. Usman, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Heazlett/McDermott, Carey, Cummins, J Richardson, Faulkner, Tye, Agar/Pope, K Richardson, Pucovski. Either/or, don't care, just need to start blooding some of these players Pakistan is ranked 7th or 8th because they can't play away from home. Keep the core of Warner, Smith as the experience, keep going with Head and Labuchagne, blood two youth players. Don't mind if you include Patterson as long as he performs in the first two Sheffield shield games 1 away (Brisbane venue of 1st test)1 at home. Get Carey in. Stay with Cummins as No 1 bowler, blood the potential Meredith has big wraps on him as quick etc etc, from the likes of Warne. Richardson bowled well against Sri Lanka, and whether or not Lyon for experience or blood Pope. If they blood Pope maybe consider Hazlewood instead of Richardson. Got to keep some experience to help the blooded players. The bowlers are complaining about being over-worked so give them a break, depending on the Pakistan tests I don't see all these players performing at once, and against NZ you can change back to fresh bowlers, maybe even look at Khawaja again for NZ. Your ODI squad is fine except I would keep Warner just to take pressure off the young ones to allow them to find their feet. Faulkner, Tye, Kane Richardson? Been there done that, not overly impressed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. I'm predicting another big year from Steketee who is now 25, last year 42 wickets @21, massive drop in his overall FC record, another big year he will be pushing for Australian selection. Big scalps yesterday in Finch, Pucovski, Handscomb and Maddinson. Replays show that Maddinson still can't play shots at bowling directed at the body. I didn't see Victoria's innings yesterday, but by all reports Stanlake wasn't overly impressive, what was your take? Matthew Kuhnemann may get a chance this year at FC level. 3 from 3 for Qld and no Chris Lynn I know your talking about Ben McDermott, but Caleb Jewell stepping up as well only 22, but definitely ready for the step up to FC cricket. His innings against WA was impressive considering WA's bowling attack. Lots of juniors all stepping up Baggers, pressure on your NSW boys to do the same. Big game today at Drummoyne WA against your boys back in their safety zone. What's your prediction Baggers? Slow pitch to nullify WA pace attack? Warner and Smith should play, NSW top order has been pretty ordinary in the first two games but Jack Edwards and Nick Bertus performing well, but who to drop for Warner and Smith, based on performance I'd say Patterson and Hughes. Based on the games so far I think there are plenty of youth putting their hands up and the List A games is where they first get noticed. My list so far would be Philippe, Heazlett, Bryant, Meredith, Pope, Sutherland, Edwards, Steketee, Jewell, Jhye Richardson, Matthew Kelly and we still haven't seen the best of Pucovski and Labuchagne is only 25 as well. Nair has potential but has to concentrate on bowling better and no longer has a NSW contract so he is interesting to see where he goes. Bowling line up of Meredith, Kelly, Richardson, Steketee ,Pope. along with Cummins only 26, Batting lineup Philippe, Heazlett, Labuchagne, Smith (may play till 40), Pucovski. Just need WK ? Pierson (26) and a No 6 batsman Travis Head (25) No 6 all rounder Jack Edwards if he can improve his bowling. Future looks very promising, wait for another 2 years for some more youth to come through. Makes you wonder why put up with batsmen that struggle to get double figure scores eg Warner, Khawaja, Bancroft, Harris and bowlers who finish test series with 30-40 averages eg Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Siddle, Lyon the youth is there to try replace 1 or 2 at a time see how they go. Based on yesterdays games, I think Australia's opening batsmen problem may be solved, drop Warner and Co and bring in Beth Mooney and Alyssa Healy The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope The side I think selectors will go with Warner, Khawaja, Labuchagne, Smith, Wade, M Marsh, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Lyon, Hazlewood. SSDD The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope Mike is this your preferred ODI or Test lineup? My ODI squad: NO WARNER. We both agree it is time for some new blood. Usman, Philippe, Smith, Heazlett, McDermott, Carey, Cummins, J Richardson, Starc, Tye, Agar/Pope. K Richardson, Faulkner, Pucovski.McDermott has been impressing in List A for two years. Has @50 record. Heazlett is the form white ball bat. Has to be recalled. Early days for Jewell. Only played 9 List A and FC games. Wildermuth's List A record is indeed mediocre but he played a very mature innings in the second last Bulls game. I have him as a future Test all rounder if CA goes down that path. I hear what you are saying about Steketee. He has been improving year by year. A former U19 player.
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Gilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers.
Gilkes, Lenton and Baxter Holt, 3 keepers, why are they still playing Neville?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. I'm predicting another big year from Steketee who is now 25, last year 42 wickets @21, massive drop in his overall FC record, another big year he will be pushing for Australian selection. Big scalps yesterday in Finch, Pucovski, Handscomb and Maddinson. Replays show that Maddinson still can't play shots at bowling directed at the body. I didn't see Victoria's innings yesterday, but by all reports Stanlake wasn't overly impressive, what was your take? Matthew Kuhnemann may get a chance this year at FC level. 3 from 3 for Qld and no Chris Lynn I know your talking about Ben McDermott, but Caleb Jewell stepping up as well only 22, but definitely ready for the step up to FC cricket. His innings against WA was impressive considering WA's bowling attack. Lots of juniors all stepping up Baggers, pressure on your NSW boys to do the same. Big game today at Drummoyne WA against your boys back in their safety zone. What's your prediction Baggers? Slow pitch to nullify WA pace attack? Warner and Smith should play, NSW top order has been pretty ordinary in the first two games but Jack Edwards and Nick Bertus performing well, but who to drop for Warner and Smith, based on performance I'd say Patterson and Hughes. Based on the games so far I think there are plenty of youth putting their hands up and the List A games is where they first get noticed. My list so far would be Philippe, Heazlett, Bryant, Meredith, Pope, Sutherland, Edwards, Steketee, Jewell, Jhye Richardson, Matthew Kelly and we still haven't seen the best of Pucovski and Labuchagne is only 25 as well. Nair has potential but has to concentrate on bowling better and no longer has a NSW contract so he is interesting to see where he goes. Bowling line up of Meredith, Kelly, Richardson, Steketee ,Pope. along with Cummins only 26, Batting lineup Philippe, Heazlett, Labuchagne, Smith (may play till 40), Pucovski. Just need WK ? Pierson (26) and a No 6 batsman Travis Head (25) No 6 all rounder Jack Edwards if he can improve his bowling. Future looks very promising, wait for another 2 years for some more youth to come through. Makes you wonder why put up with batsmen that struggle to get double figure scores eg Warner, Khawaja, Bancroft, Harris and bowlers who finish test series with 30-40 averages eg Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Siddle, Lyon the youth is there to try replace 1 or 2 at a time see how they go. Based on yesterdays games, I think Australia's opening batsmen problem may be solved, drop Warner and Co and bring in Beth Mooney and Alyssa Healy The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope The side I think selectors will go with Warner, Khawaja, Labuchagne, Smith, Wade, M Marsh, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Lyon, Hazlewood. SSDD The side I would like to see against Pakistan with a look to the future development Warner, Philippe, Labuchagne, Smith, Head, Pucovski/Heazlett, Carey, Cummins, Richardson, Meredith and Lyon/Pope Mike is this your preferred ODI or Test lineup? My ODI squad: NO WARNER. We both agree it is time for some new blood. Usman, Philippe, Smith, Heazlett, McDermott, Carey, Cummins, J Richardson, Starc, Tye, Agar/Pope. K Richardson, Faulkner, Pucovski.McDermott has been impressing in List A for two years. Has @50 record. Heazlett is the form white ball bat. Has to be recalled. Early days for Jewell. Only played 9 List A and FC games. Wildermuth's List A record is indeed mediocre but he played a very mature innings in the second last Bulls game. I have him as a future Test all rounder if CA goes down that path. I hear what you are saying about Steketee. He has been improving year by year. A former U19 player. Blues need an injection of class in both white and red ball. I dont see a whole lot waiting in the wings.. other than Hackney, Hunt, Davies (bat)- Hadley (ball).
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+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes was in FL top 5 last year. So good choice for the south coast 20 year old. Also no Starc, Cummins or Haze?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. What happened to Cutting, Mike? As Starc and Pattinson were starting their Test careers, Cutting lass looked like a good prospect in the same squad. He has also hammered the Tas attacking in the Shield. Cutting was pigeon holed by CA as short form only. His record as an all-rounder at FC level isn't outstanding, so have to look at him more as a bowler who can bat, and his bowling alone isn't up to par against the other Qld bowlers, remember we dropped Alister McDermott with a FC bowling average of 24. James Hopes batted at 32 and bowled at 26, so Cutting is a poor comparison to Hopes whom Cutting played alongside for most his career. Cutting is very talented just around at the wrong time. Philippe gone 1/27.
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+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes, Lenton and Baxter Holt, 3 keepers, why are they still playing Neville? Cause he is skipper Mike. Lenton has dropped off the vine.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI certainly dont agree with you over Oliver Davies. You love rubbishing kids that are still finding their way in senior cricket. Not that this is any great criteria to any top level red ball he may play.. but he was one of few to score a 200 in a national U19 match.. perhaps the only one. Not sure what stats you are seeing but he starred in the U19 series against the Kiwis in July.. scores of 59, 48, 51.. two wkts plus a couple of half centuries in Sri Lanka in January. This may give you some idea of his red ball promise. He was just 17 when he took apart seasoned Premier Cricket bowlers for his club. Bold prediction. This kid will play Test cricket for Australia. https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk Not rubbishing anyone, I like to watch how they develop at different levels, before I make any big calls, which is what the media should do. Too much pressure leads to failure more times than not. Oliver Davis I will wait to see how he goes at first grade club level, which I would imagine should improve this year, possibly into the Futures this year, then onwards. The youtube video correct me if I'm wrong is 2nd grade back in 2017, good batting no doubt, but he has moved up to 1st grade now, and what he does now is far more important than what he did 2 years ago. Averaging 32 not as impressive against a better quality of bowler, give him time before making the big calls, Australia is a long way off for a player averaging 32 at club level. Just give the kid a break and let him develop at his own pace, don't fast track him. Sangha is a typical example of what can happen if too quick....a lot of failures at a level he's not ready for leads to undermining confidence which you see at club level averaging only 29. So averaging 29 at club cricket hardly surprising averaging 21 at shield. Far to quick on the promotion. Personally I've been more impressed with MacKenzie Harvey, and as we discussed previously, not getting as much notice but Victoria have thrown him into T20 format far too quickly for my liking as well. Agree on Henry Hunt for ACT and I agree that it is time for ACT team, but that is it I would hate to see numerous state teams then you end up like England, a couple of good players the rest average, not good for the next step up which is international.
The ACT and perhaps one from the NT. The ACT wud boast a competitive side with players the calibre of Nick Winter, Jason Avendano, Matthew Gilkes, Henry Hunt and Tom Rogers forming the nucleus of the side. There is also Nick's young brother Jake who has had some big wraps. Arjun Nair also hails from the national capital. I am backing Sangha for a breakout summer. If not he needs to be sent back to PC to work on his red ball game. There are several of my fellow posters calling for his inclusion in the summer Tests. In the test team? Sangha averages under 24. Oh please pick him vs NZ. He's nowhere near ready, yet. What is he going to do when Boult or Abbas hits hit their length and does not change it. Or when Wagner sets the leg side field and goes short ball after ball? Sangha averages under 24 at FC, he has not worked the game out yet that suits him. Most think he will. CA is investing into him on the promise shown that he will. But he has not worked his approach to the game out yet, successfully. Once he gets that flurry of runs, those back to back centuries, once you see him dominant in the FC scene, with consistent run scoring, then he is ready for test cricket. But not before. I have the same issue with Hetmeyer for WI. One FC century, and in the test team, its far too soon. Its not just earning the cap, its about knowing enough about their own game to have a successful approach. If you're not succeeding at FC, you're not ready for test cricket. I worry that they may have wrecked Hetmeyer for life now as a test player. He's just going to be a filthy careless slogger, cos they got him selected to begin with - "the way I play" speech. A lot is made about Sangha because he scored a century against England. What a lot fail to realise is Broad and Woakes had basically finished bowling for the warm up game before Sangha even came to the crease. He only really faced Ali and Crane for the majority of the innings, as England were closing up not wearing out the bowlers for the upcoming test. In the first innings of the same game he faced 3 deliveries from Woakes and went for 0. Away from home last year these are Sangha's scores Adelaide 12 and 33, Perth 5 and 4, Victoria 0 and 0, Brisbane 15 and 0, Tasmania 37 and 0, Final 21 and 4 average away from NSW is 11. When the quality of attack improves eg Victoria he scored 0. He may know how to play where he is familiar with conditions and pitches, but he needs to develop away from home, just to keep his place in the state side. I'd like to know who is looking at these results and calling for his selection in the Australian team. How he is still in the state side is still a mystery to me If people were impressed by his England innings what about Matt Short, who also scored a century and av 40+ at first class level, has a lot better record away from Victoria. How could anyone select Sangha over Short?? I am not considering Matt Short so there would be no way I'd consider Sangha. Not to mention about 50 other batsmen playing in Australia currently. IMO Paddles Sangha is too tall for a batsman, he's 6 foot if I remember correctly, not overly tall but still on the higher end of the spectrum, and taller batsmen rarely make it, t he theory being is that short batsmen are better aided in their balance by their height, how much this is true I don't know, but it does seem to have some support considering history. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows. Shorter people naturally have a lower centre of gravity, but that's not the major thing for me, given most baseball players are over 6 foot. Its actually the bowlers's length. The shorter you are, the more difficult it is for a bowler to hit a length that is to short to drive and too full to pull as it is a smaller target. Tall batsmen, there is far more room for error for the bowler's hitting length as an easier target. Tall people are also a bigger target when it comes to the short pitched stuff. So the Lloyd's, Greigys. and Petersons are rarer. Most of the best are between 5 foot 5 to 5 foot 7, but there are a few exceptions maybe Sangha is one of them who knows.
That is definitely true. A couple more that come to mind up round 6 foot with not too shabby careers.. Rahul Dravid and Venkat Laxsman (not sure of spelling). Only Aussie that springs to mind is one Gregory Stephen Chappell. Dravid is 5'9". Laxman and GC are 6'1". Think Dravid just seemed tall compared to Tendukar, Gambhir and Viru. Fooled me. How about Sangakkara? Not that short. Mike may also be wondering why Jack Wildermuth did not play today. Wildermuth has a poor record at shorter forms of the game. What I wonder is why Cutting isn't playing more at FC level? But I suppose bowling is one area where Qld have massive talent, most of whom can bat. What happened to Cutting, Mike? As Starc and Pattinson were starting their Test careers, Cutting lass looked like a good prospect in the same squad. He has also hammered the Tas attacking in the Shield. Cutting was pigeon holed by CA as short form only. His record as an all-rounder at FC level isn't outstanding, so have to look at him more as a bowler who can bat, and his bowling alone isn't up to par against the other Qld bowlers, remember we dropped Alister McDermott with a FC bowling average of 24. James Hopes batted at 32 and bowled at 26, so Cutting is a poor comparison to Hopes whom Cutting played alongside for most his career. Cutting is very talented just around at the wrong time. Philippe gone 1/27. Harry with a nice little outswinger first ball. My view precisely re Cutts. May make our T20 side for the WC but doubt it.
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+x+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes was in FL top 5 last year. So good choice for the south coast 20 year old. Also no Starc, Cummins or Haze? Baggers I'll ask you a serious question. Remembering in the past players were paid with a carton of beer and a handshake, do you really think that Hazlewood who is now in his 12 year of FC cricket, only played 84 FC games including nearly 50 tests, Mitchell Starc also in his 12 year of FC cricket has played 93 FC games including 50 odd tests, Pat Cummins in his 8th year of FC cricket has only played 37 games 25 are tests are "over worked" for the money they are paid. Is that a legit excuse for poor bowling? How about Warner in his 11th year has only played 107 FC games 80 of which are tests. Just as an example of a very fit bowler Andy Bichel played 14 years and clocked up 187 FC games very few tests, was never paid what these players are, but never used an excuse of being tired. Are they too soft? Should they be getting fitness training which I think Bichel was doing for Australia a few years back, but that idea doesn't seem to be around anymore in the Australian team. How about McGrath or Gillespie both around for 15 years both 190 FC games. Or McDermott 12 years 174 FC games
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+x+x+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes was in FL top 5 last year. So good choice for the south coast 20 year old. Also no Starc, Cummins or Haze? Baggers I'll ask you a serious question. Remembering in the past players were paid with a carton of beer and a handshake, do you really think that Hazlewood who is now in his 12 year of FC cricket, only played 84 FC games including nearly 50 tests, Mitchell Starc also in his 12 year of FC cricket has played 93 FC games including 50 odd tests, Pat Cummins in his 8th year of FC cricket has only played 37 games 25 are tests are "over worked" for the money they are paid. Is that a legit excuse for poor bowling? How about Warner in his 11th year has only played 107 FC games 80 of which are tests. Just as an example of a very fit bowler Andy Bichel played 14 years and clocked up 187 FC games very few tests, was never paid what these players are, but never used an excuse of being tired. Are they too soft? Should they be getting fitness training which I think Bichel was doing for Australia a few years back, but that idea doesn't seem to be around anymore in the Australian team. You just cant help yourself from Hazlewood bashing can you Mike. Do you have some kinda mental aberration or something. Hazlewood was 18 when he played that List A game against England. He secured that ODI on the strength of his performance in the 2010 U19 WC. If memory serves he did not become a regular with the Blues for at least I more year..maybe 2. Then he missed at least a year of FC cricket with back trouble.
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+x+x+x+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes was in FL top 5 last year. So good choice for the south coast 20 year old. Also no Starc, Cummins or Haze? Baggers I'll ask you a serious question. Remembering in the past players were paid with a carton of beer and a handshake, do you really think that Hazlewood who is now in his 12 year of FC cricket, only played 84 FC games including nearly 50 tests, Mitchell Starc also in his 12 year of FC cricket has played 93 FC games including 50 odd tests, Pat Cummins in his 8th year of FC cricket has only played 37 games 25 are tests are "over worked" for the money they are paid. Is that a legit excuse for poor bowling? How about Warner in his 11th year has only played 107 FC games 80 of which are tests. Just as an example of a very fit bowler Andy Bichel played 14 years and clocked up 187 FC games very few tests, was never paid what these players are, but never used an excuse of being tired. Are they too soft? Should they be getting fitness training which I think Bichel was doing for Australia a few years back, but that idea doesn't seem to be around anymore in the Australian team. You just cant help yourself from Hazlewood bashing can you Mike. Do you have some kinda mental aberration or something. Hazlewood was 18 when he played that List A game against England. He helped win us the U19 WC that same year. He did not become a regular in the Blues for at least I more years..maybe 2. Then he missed at least a year of FC cricket with back trouble. Not at all I'm referring to the test team as a whole that are using an "overworked" excuse for not playing, that's all of them. Do you think this is a valid excuse? Should CA being investing more into the fitness program? For me nothing beats match practice, who is advising them to sit out?
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+x+x+x+x+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes was in FL top 5 last year. So good choice for the south coast 20 year old. Also no Starc, Cummins or Haze? Baggers I'll ask you a serious question. Remembering in the past players were paid with a carton of beer and a handshake, do you really think that Hazlewood who is now in his 12 year of FC cricket, only played 84 FC games including nearly 50 tests, Mitchell Starc also in his 12 year of FC cricket has played 93 FC games including 50 odd tests, Pat Cummins in his 8th year of FC cricket has only played 37 games 25 are tests are "over worked" for the money they are paid. Is that a legit excuse for poor bowling? How about Warner in his 11th year has only played 107 FC games 80 of which are tests. Just as an example of a very fit bowler Andy Bichel played 14 years and clocked up 187 FC games very few tests, was never paid what these players are, but never used an excuse of being tired. Are they too soft? Should they be getting fitness training which I think Bichel was doing for Australia a few years back, but that idea doesn't seem to be around anymore in the Australian team. You just cant help yourself from Hazlewood bashing can you Mike. Do you have some kinda mental aberration or something. Hazlewood was 18 when he played that List A game against England. He helped win us the U19 WC that same year. He did not become a regular in the Blues for at least I more years..maybe 2. Then he missed at least a year of FC cricket with back trouble. Not at all I'm referring to the test team as a whole that are using an "overworked" excuse for not playing, that's all of them. Do you think this is a valid excuse? Should CA being investing more into the fitness program? For me nothing beats match practice, who is advising them to sit out? It is as a result of the plans Howard put in place as CA Hi Performance director. To better manage bowlers workloads. Crap. Putting them in cotton wool is the most probable reason so many of our mature quicks are breaking down with the rookie malady.. back stress fractures. DK always said the best way to rest a pace bowler was to bowl him. Or words to that affect.
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Good one Arjun Nair.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes was in FL top 5 last year. So good choice for the south coast 20 year old. Also no Starc, Cummins or Haze? Baggers I'll ask you a serious question. Remembering in the past players were paid with a carton of beer and a handshake, do you really think that Hazlewood who is now in his 12 year of FC cricket, only played 84 FC games including nearly 50 tests, Mitchell Starc also in his 12 year of FC cricket has played 93 FC games including 50 odd tests, Pat Cummins in his 8th year of FC cricket has only played 37 games 25 are tests are "over worked" for the money they are paid. Is that a legit excuse for poor bowling? How about Warner in his 11th year has only played 107 FC games 80 of which are tests. Just as an example of a very fit bowler Andy Bichel played 14 years and clocked up 187 FC games very few tests, was never paid what these players are, but never used an excuse of being tired. Are they too soft? Should they be getting fitness training which I think Bichel was doing for Australia a few years back, but that idea doesn't seem to be around anymore in the Australian team. You just cant help yourself from Hazlewood bashing can you Mike. Do you have some kinda mental aberration or something. Hazlewood was 18 when he played that List A game against England. He helped win us the U19 WC that same year. He did not become a regular in the Blues for at least I more years..maybe 2. Then he missed at least a year of FC cricket with back trouble. Not at all I'm referring to the test team as a whole that are using an "overworked" excuse for not playing, that's all of them. Do you think this is a valid excuse? Should CA being investing more into the fitness program? For me nothing beats match practice, who is advising them to sit out? It is as a result of the plans Howard put in place as CA Hi Performance director. To better manage bowlers workloads. Crap. Putting them in cotton wool is the most probable reason so many of our mature quicks are breaking down with the rookie malady.. back stress fractures. DK always said the best way to rest a pace bowler was to bowl him. Or words to that affect. That's what I mean they need match practice, especially Warner and Starc, how to get out of a batting slump...bat. How to overcome line and length problems bowl to a batsman trying not to get out because it matters. I can forgive Smith, he's getting the practice out on the field, he could do with a break, Cummins as well as he played WC and tests. Is there someone in NSWCA that is telling them to rest, Pattinsons back bowling, Khawaja I don't think you can get the bat out of his hands, he wants to prove something as are Bancroft and Harris, but where is Paine?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xGilkes in Baggers, he's an exciting prospect, Cartwright in for Turner, coming in at No 7, long batting line up for WA. Still No Smith nor Warner for NSW, Good Luck Baggers. Gilkes was in FL top 5 last year. So good choice for the south coast 20 year old. Also no Starc, Cummins or Haze? Baggers I'll ask you a serious question. Remembering in the past players were paid with a carton of beer and a handshake, do you really think that Hazlewood who is now in his 12 year of FC cricket, only played 84 FC games including nearly 50 tests, Mitchell Starc also in his 12 year of FC cricket has played 93 FC games including 50 odd tests, Pat Cummins in his 8th year of FC cricket has only played 37 games 25 are tests are "over worked" for the money they are paid. Is that a legit excuse for poor bowling? How about Warner in his 11th year has only played 107 FC games 80 of which are tests. Just as an example of a very fit bowler Andy Bichel played 14 years and clocked up 187 FC games very few tests, was never paid what these players are, but never used an excuse of being tired. Are they too soft? Should they be getting fitness training which I think Bichel was doing for Australia a few years back, but that idea doesn't seem to be around anymore in the Australian team. You just cant help yourself from Hazlewood bashing can you Mike. Do you have some kinda mental aberration or something. Hazlewood was 18 when he played that List A game against England. He helped win us the U19 WC that same year. He did not become a regular in the Blues for at least I more years..maybe 2. Then he missed at least a year of FC cricket with back trouble. Not at all I'm referring to the test team as a whole that are using an "overworked" excuse for not playing, that's all of them. Do you think this is a valid excuse? Should CA being investing more into the fitness program? For me nothing beats match practice, who is advising them to sit out? It is as a result of the plans Howard put in place as CA Hi Performance director. To better manage bowlers workloads. Crap. Putting them in cotton wool is the most probable reason so many of our mature quicks broke down during his watch with the rookie malady.. back stress fractures. DK always said the best way to rest a pace bowler was to bowl him. Or words to that affect.
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