#McMike

Capacity v attendance is in the eye of the beholder.

But it always more personal to be at full stadium. 

I have ave only ever been to 2 AL games both BR v MV at Suncorp.

I can understand why Roar struggles to get fans. The whole experience isn’t a good football one. If you are a fan and know the players or appreciate the game it is good. But if you were one off attendee it’s hardly a great event.

The core support remains but you can’t expect to grow it just because you play in a huge stadium.

But we don’t struggle to get fans. We just struggle to fill a 52,500 Stadium. Two different things. 

I meant in the context to fill Suncorp 

which is is what I meant also that - its a better fan experience at 94% capacity than eg 30-40%

Not if people are missing out as a result.

Fact is Brisbane would probably have got a bigger crowd today if the game was at Suncorp.

That is a point.

Another discussion could be within the WU and eventual Macarthur sphere. Do we then start to count average of the 3 Mel and Syd teams or can we count total attendance over the season? 

Because while the inclusion of these new clubs will cause a decline in average we will actually see more people in Mel and Syd attending matches in total. Which is positive.

Then we can ask should Brisbane have 2 teams. 

Cant see any logical reason why we can't have a second Brisbane team playing out of that ground. 

It’s a tough ask I think. 

Only because Redcliffe was its own city until it joined Morten Bay. 

And Redcliffe is tiny and RL.

if Moreton Bay people could accept it then sure. But Pen Power or Dolphins having a team would be less successful imo. But you never know.

Would love to see Dolphins in NRL though. Having them in AL could again work but QRL/NRL own the ip.

But with the Transport levy and rent charges applicable to Suncorp matches, Roar probably made more with the crowd at Dolphin Stadium today.

Absolutely correct. There were so many great things in the old NSL model.

NSL teams didn't have to pay a gazillion bucks to play at Suncorp was one of them.

Yeh, they would have got 12,000 in a 52,500 stadium

I think I prefer Dolphin Stadium myself.

Plus the Roar would have saved a 6 figure sum.

Brisbane needs to develop Ballymore Stadium into a 20K boutique stadium with Roar as the tenant.

NO IT DOES NOT 

Thos type of comment is exactly  what’s wrong with football in this country - “football should develop a rugby stadium then pay rent to a rival code”. 

If only there was some vacant land in Brisbane, oh, THERE IS  

Or break down the barriers that we have to be rivals. So we can implement sports clubs.

Eg why couldn’t Dolphins or Easts tigers play in AL. 

Hopefully NRL & AFL clubs will take note about what is happen with AL ip and take their ruling bodies to court to get ownership of their ips. 

There are clubs that have infrastructure but play different sports. Can we at least toy with the idea Manly Sea Eagles or Raiders could be a welcome addition to a football league/pyramid?

What happened to Nix playing at Hutt?

Let’s stick to Brisbane though - let’s just build our own, for football, and in the right place. 

Ok 

but I know you are a staunch believer Bne is and should be a 1 team city.

i think we should challenge this thinking as well as challenging what is an acceptable attendance.

i am a firm believer in an open system with a minimum demand (i would be happy with 5k capacity with 3k seating and 1k under roof w/ media demands/medical/ parking/ change rooms etc standard).

so we will probably never agree. The idea that each city should have 1 team is on the same level as we should judge attendance. 

If a club can can afford to play let them play. We are not open.

we shut out investment.

we shut out opportunity

Roar should have built a stadium by now. Even if it was in Springfield or Logan.

I mean sure it sounds like a good idea, and apart from the only 2 times it has been attempted I can’t think of another time it has gone poorly

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collingwood_Warriors_SC

Which is a load of crap. We have never seen a crowd of zero, and even in CCM's worst year it wasnt their worst average because they got decent support for when WSW paid a visit (as we see with smaller teams in the EPL)

In season 3 every single team saw an attendance boost (except for Melbourne) and they didnt all finish first. Why? Because the profile of the league as a whole was lifted, and fan bases grew accordingly, which nullifies your point

This no win no interest is brain rot from the AFL / NRL because they decided to use success as a carrot for their strategic markets. There are other ways

The problem is you are looking in the background to gauge the appeal of the product, like the FFA does

However the product is in the foreground and it looks exactly the fucking same. And thats the part people that has turned off fans

Suncorp is a magnificent rectangular venue. It would be a shame if it was lost to our game

It hasn’t been attempted in the AL.

The closest example is Lions and Roar.

Carlton SC had the potential to be a great success, garnering some real mainstream attention, but it came along at perhaps the NSL's lowest point, and folded very early. Here's an interesting video on their short history, worth a watch if only to see Sam Newman in genuine terror of our code: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6A8escqb2k 

I would not count Collingwood Warriors as it was a joint venture between Collingwood and Heidelburg, wearing both teams' colours.

What I'd like to see is Collingwood Magpies FC entering an association football squad into a competition in their own name, colours, badge and branding. They've pretty much already done it (minus the logo) with netball, but I reckon offering fans of the club football of different codes to follow year-round would be well received. Eddie would veto it though, of course.

Suncorp is a magnificent stadium for football, that I agree with. 

Hypothetically if Brisbane Roar played out of a small 20k stadium in a good location for fans it would be a huge benefit not only to themselves but the league as a whole. 

Suncorp wouldn't be lost to our game at all, if anything it would be looked at like a Wembley where it would be used for all of Brisbane Roar's finals games, and don't forget internationals too.

If football fans don’t accept it how could one expect AFL fans to?

I think a bigger problem is the status thing. Collingwood/AFL fans put their clubs on par with the likes of Man U, Dallas Cowboys, Yankees, Bulls etc. Playing in the AL would be too much of a reality check. Because they wouldn’t have a “World class” team like they do with the footy.

Sorry but I just dont get this point

A 15k rectangular venue can cost up to $200m. I imagine a 20k+ venue could be pushing $300m. This is a real cost. The windfall of small boutique venues that look good on TV is largely speculative

Sport has already been in this country for a long time. Aside from new developments the existing population bases already has optimal transportation systems and networks. Its hard to imagine there is prime and accessible real estate waiting to be used. And these venues have been built with all sports in mind, not just ours

Our choices are to use existing venues as is or to upgrade them. We also need to be looking at our maximum capacity instead of minimum. Not just today, but also 10 or 20 years from now, and with P/R in mind

To me, this is the biggest non issue going around at the moment. In any season teams are going to have games at 20% capacity against small teams, but also close to full for their blockbusters. The range for big teams could be 15k - 40k. And ideally this would take place in the same venue

The solution, if there is a problem, is to close off stands or offer free tickets

that’s a bloody good crowd. and the AFL flogs on SEN were bagging it saying the NBL got 17,000 in Sydney yesterday as well.  any excuse to bag football. 

that 17k was their highest crowd ever 

that's right, it was a record NBL crowd, still, pretty good effort for an indoor sport