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+x+x+xLet's be honest here, 5k is sh1t. I expected Ballarat to be worse than that So we're now expecting less than 5k for games ? What an era the new regime is ushering in... Yes all because of WU that they bought in last year.
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+x+x+x+xLet's be honest here, 5k is sh1t. I expected Ballarat to be worse than that So we're now expecting less than 5k for games ? What an era the new regime is ushering in... Yes all because of WU that they bought in last year. Yes, by new ffa.
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+x+x+xLooks like the bbl rebound started tonight with the Sydney derby, the averages will skyrocket just with the availability of the mcg and marvel starting next week. Half the teams haven’t had a real home match yet. The A League should go back to winter. Can anyone honestly say that attendances would fall. Look at them now. Attendances weren't supposed to fall according to all the "Anything is better than Lowy"-ers. Look at them now. Yes anything is better than Lowy Woolworths. I expected the decline and I also expect the decline to continue next year if the product stays the way it is. The HAL is no different to last year, with the exception of adding another abomination called WU. I predicted the decline years ago, and I also predicted it will be a steady decline into oblivion unless we make peace with grassroots Football. So far, I am right. The only time Football will progress in this country is when we have a full pyramid. What I mean by that is a first and second division with 16 teams in the first division and a minimum of 14 and preferably 16 teams in the second division, with promotion and relegation between these 2 tiers and also between the NPLs and the Second Division. Only then would we be able to engage the grassroots and all the fish in the pond who call themselves Football Fans and have their kiddies play. If we remain a sport for the elitists franchisees, we are doomed. These business owners had 20 years to get a return on their investment, now its time to join the real world.
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+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back So you think it is OK for a team like MV to not have a single ground of their own after 15 seasons of being the “biggest” team in the HAL. Even the MSL which is also a franchise league requires the teams to have their own stadiums. FFA finally woke up which is why WU got the nod and the reality is, other than a handful of matches, most teams wouldn’t need more than 10K capacity anyway so $2B isn’t required. This is just 1 element of the problem and symptomatic of the HAL’s business model being based on the AFL rather than a traditional football model which works everywhere else in the world. Also interestingly, many of the smaller AFL teams have been talking about returning to their traditional home grounds as playing out of empty stadiums doesn’t work. Unfortunately, with so much money now invested in the dud AFL model it is unlikely anything will change in the HAL and from my personal experiences, interest in HAL is dropping rapidly and back end of this season and next year could get really ugly.
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+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back And destroy the game forever! No NT of any worth, no talent, and just mediocrity to please the rich and their investment. I am all for boutique stadiums. In fact, if it were up to me, a 10K all seater is ideal for most teams. Forget about the 20K all seaters, as we are being unrealistic in the short term at least. Probably most ideal is 10K to 17K stadiums. Playing in the likes of Suncorp should be outlawed for the sake of the game.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back So you think it is OK for a team like MV to not have a single ground of their own after 15 seasons of being the “biggest” team in the HAL. Even the MSL which is also a franchise league requires the teams to have their own stadiums. FFA finally woke up which is why WU got the nod and the reality is, other than a handful of matches, most teams wouldn’t need more than 10K capacity anyway so $2B isn’t required. This is just 1 element of the problem and symptomatic of the HAL’s business model being based on the AFL rather than a traditional football model which works everywhere else in the world. Also interestingly, many of the smaller AFL teams have been talking about returning to their traditional home grounds as playing out of empty stadiums doesn’t work. Unfortunately, with so much money now invested in the dud AFL model it is unlikely anything will change in the HAL and from my personal experiences, interest in HAL is dropping rapidly and back end of this season and next year could get really ugly. WU got the nod because they had a few afl grounds lined up to play at...not because they were ever going to realistically build a stadium. No such suitable venue in the south east, whilst we were the evil wogs, The ffa learned nothing.
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+x+x+xLooks like the bbl rebound started tonight with the Sydney derby, the averages will skyrocket just with the availability of the mcg and marvel starting next week. Half the teams haven’t had a real home match yet. They may well improve over the coming weeks as you say, but year on year they’re suffering a decline.
And that’s significant for football for one reason only - the early success of the BBL led Gallop to conclude that “sports going families” with little or no allegiance to any particular team were the way to go. Hence the blatant attempt to sanitise soccer stadiums and end active support.
The reality is with BBL crowds in free fall that “sports fan” market is at best fickle and unpredictable. The HAL has a job to rebuild what Gallop tried to destroy.
Cricket and BBL has a different issue. As they found with the one-day format the lifespan is about 20 years before the thing needs to be reinvented all over again - that’s not footballs concern as long as our sports administrators don’t try and copy their gimmicks. I believe cricket has found the right balance with 20/20. In terms of overall attendance more people are watching live cricket than any other era. Gone are days where if you lived in Melbourne all you had was 1 test match, 2 one dayers and the summer was over, actually that was the same with every city. Im not going to dispute that. The point being cricket does what is right for cricket.
My (earlier) point was that Gallop and Lowy thought they could mimic that for football and so took on active support and anything that was deemed “non-family friendly” TK the detriment of football.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back So you think it is OK for a team like MV to not have a single ground of their own after 15 seasons of being the “biggest” team in the HAL Yes, more money to spend on football
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back So you think it is OK for a team like MV to not have a single ground of their own after 15 seasons of being the “biggest” team in the HAL Yes, more money to spend on football you must be taking the piss, how can you call yourself a club when you play out of a rented stadium and train in a public park.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back So you think it is OK for a team like MV to not have a single ground of their own after 15 seasons of being the “biggest” team in the HAL Yes, more money to spend on football you must be taking the piss, how can you call yourself a club when you play out of a rented stadium and train in a public park. Nothing at all wrong with using a rented stadium. It's common throughout the football world.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back So you think it is OK for a team like MV to not have a single ground of their own after 15 seasons of being the “biggest” team in the HAL Yes, more money to spend on football you must be taking the piss, how can you call yourself a club when you play out of a rented stadium and train in a public park. Debate: Why clubs should build their own stadiums Argument #1 For: Only real clubs play in their own stadiums. You call yourself a football club? Judge rule: 20 minute break for nap time and to play with toys
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+x+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back And destroy the game forever! No NT of any worth, no talent, and just mediocrity to please the rich and their investment. I am all for boutique stadiums. In fact, if it were up to me, a 10K all seater is ideal for most teams. Forget about the 20K all seaters, as we are being unrealistic in the short term at least. Probably most ideal is 10K to 17K stadiums. Playing in the likes of Suncorp should be outlawed for the sake of the game. If its unrealistic to need a 20k stadium in the short term, this means in the long term, it is? So your advocating multiple clubs sink tens of millions of dollars to suit a short term need? Where does the money come from? If it is to come from owners, then it seems your pretty free and easy spending other peoples money, you dont work in government do you? They need to have a location, not easy, it has to have parking, public transport. This limits options. There is a lack in most cities of private land you could buy for such a purpose, so you would need access to government land. This would mean an existing facility. You would need to sweeten the deal significantly for local government, adding enormously to the cost. The jumping up and down and saying, but AFL, approach doesn't work. AFL clubs are able to take on more debt, to make sure facilities have the extra perks local government cannot say no to. If your objective is just a private stadium with seating for 10k, thats pretty easy to say no to. Every club having the perfect size stadium for the requirements of the day is great, but you cannot just say the answer is, go and build them. The simple proof is, if it was that beneficial, and they could just build them, they would have.
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2,189 Roar v Jets W League
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17,421 at syd vs city per twitter
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+x17,421 at syd vs city per twitter That’s basically a capacity crowd at Kogarah isn’t it? Good stuff
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+x+x17,421 at syd vs city per twitter That’s basically a capacity crowd at Kogarah isn’t it? Good stuff No it's a shit crowd. Salary cap, new FFA board etc.
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+x+x17,421 at syd vs city per twitter That’s basically a capacity crowd at Kogarah isn’t it? Good stuff 20,500 is capacity.
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+x+x17,421 at syd vs city per twitter That’s basically a capacity crowd at Kogarah isn’t it? Good stuff If everyone on the grass bank stood up, you would get about 23-24000 in.
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+x+x+x17,421 at syd vs city per twitter That’s basically a capacity crowd at Kogarah isn’t it? Good stuff No it's a shit crowd. Salary cap, new FFA board etc. That’s your best crowd for the season. Any idea why people went?
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+x+x+x+x17,421 at syd vs city per twitter That’s basically a capacity crowd at Kogarah isn’t it? Good stuff No it's a shit crowd. Salary cap, new FFA board etc. That’s your best crowd for the season. Any idea why people went? Holiday period plus playing #2 team in the competition I'd think.
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sportsindustry@footyindustryAUWith one match to go on NYE, Round 12 of the 2019-20 A-league season has been attended by 38,800 people taking the season total to 598,726 at an average of 10,323. This figure is down -7.01% on the same time in the previous season, and down -0.97% on last seasons final average.
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+x17,421 at syd vs city per twitter That's a good number.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe summer / winter debate is more about venue accessibility. Also access to sponsors and advertisers Some overlap is inevitable. To me the optimal kick off time is the last week of August Venue availability is a function of the HAL business model and lack of investment in facilities by the owners. In a traditional comp where teams have their own grounds this isn’t an issue. This Exactly why the A League model is failing. Easy with hindsight, but there should have been some kind of lock in way back at the outset whereby clubs committed to developing their own grounds over, say a 10 year, period. It's been obvious for a decade that the lack of suitable sized, football purposed stadiums is the major factor holding back the competition. Cool So all we need is $2b to for clubs to build their own venues, and then write a clause preventing P/R to protect their investment This is the major thing holding the competition back And destroy the game forever! No NT of any worth, no talent, and just mediocrity to please the rich and their investment. I am all for boutique stadiums. In fact, if it were up to me, a 10K all seater is ideal for most teams. Forget about the 20K all seaters, as we are being unrealistic in the short term at least. Probably most ideal is 10K to 17K stadiums. Playing in the likes of Suncorp should be outlawed for the sake of the game. If its unrealistic to need a 20k stadium in the short term, this means in the long term, it is? So your advocating multiple clubs sink tens of millions of dollars to suit a short term need? Where does the money come from? If it is to come from owners, then it seems your pretty free and easy spending other peoples money, you dont work in government do you? They need to have a location, not easy, it has to have parking, public transport. This limits options. There is a lack in most cities of private land you could buy for such a purpose, so you would need access to government land. This would mean an existing facility. You would need to sweeten the deal significantly for local government, adding enormously to the cost. The jumping up and down and saying, but AFL, approach doesn't work. AFL clubs are able to take on more debt, to make sure facilities have the extra perks local government cannot say no to. If your objective is just a private stadium with seating for 10k, thats pretty easy to say no to. Every club having the perfect size stadium for the requirements of the day is great, but you cannot just say the answer is, go and build them. The simple proof is, if it was that beneficial, and they could just build them, they would have. probably not even worth in the long term either for most clubs. probably only 2 teams that need 20K and that is WSW and MVFC. As for the rest, none has even come close to getting 20K No I am not advocating they sink millions into short term solutions. It's very easy these days to have custom built boutiques which can be expanded as needed in the future. Spending millions more now on 20K all seaters which probably will never be filled is a waste of money. I'm not advocating for teams to build their own stadiums either. I know for most that is an unrealistic prospect. But if for some reason they can manage to raise the money and the means to do it, then by all means go ahead. I remember teams like Marconi had great stadiums. They were not big. Probably around the circa 10K capacity but what a great stadium and great to watch football there with great atmosphere, But they are wogs, and as such they can't be in the A League because they are wogs. With a second division, these clubs will make their way back. Bring it!
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+xsportsindustry@footyindustryAUWith one match to go on NYE, Round 12 of the 2019-20 A-league season has been attended by 38,800 people taking the season total to 598,726 at an average of 10,323. This figure is down -7.01% on the same time in the previous season, and down -0.97% on last seasons final average. The main thing that the comparison with last season is reflecting is the splitting up of the attendance in Melbourne with a third club. Attendance in Melbourne at this stage last season totalled 190,665 and this season it is 193,871 but there has been 17 games so far this season which is 6 more than at this stage last season.
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+xThat will significantly change when bigger venues like the MCG become available. the MCG and SCG are not available at the same time of the year every year. your post makes no sense. the BBL will not pick up its averages unless the Melbourne and Sydney derbies surpass previous years (highly unlikely based on this years numbers so far).
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+x+xsportsindustry@footyindustryAUWith one match to go on NYE, Round 12 of the 2019-20 A-league season has been attended by 38,800 people taking the season total to 598,726 at an average of 10,323. This figure is down -7.01% on the same time in the previous season, and down -0.97% on last seasons final average. The main thing that the comparison with last season is reflecting is the splitting up of the attendance in Melbourne with a third club. Attendance in Melbourne at this stage last season totalled 190,665 and this season it is 193,871 but there has been 17 games so far this season which is 6 more than at this stage last season. I thought new teams were supposed to engage new fans, not subdivide the existing fanbase
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+x+x+xsportsindustry@footyindustryAUWith one match to go on NYE, Round 12 of the 2019-20 A-league season has been attended by 38,800 people taking the season total to 598,726 at an average of 10,323. This figure is down -7.01% on the same time in the previous season, and down -0.97% on last seasons final average. The main thing that the comparison with last season is reflecting is the splitting up of the attendance in Melbourne with a third club. Attendance in Melbourne at this stage last season totalled 190,665 and this season it is 193,871 but there has been 17 games so far this season which is 6 more than at this stage last season. I thought new teams were supposed to engage new fans, not subdivide the existing fanbase When Heart came in a similar thing happened with Victory attendance dropping but their attendance picked back up the following season. Some of the drop in both cases can be attributed to Victory's form so we will have to see what happens if that changes. Another alternative is that there is not a market in Melbourne for more teams.
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Hard to compare with this season for Melbourne given Victory being so dire.
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+x+xsportsindustry@footyindustryAUWith one match to go on NYE, Round 12 of the 2019-20 A-league season has been attended by 38,800 people taking the season total to 598,726 at an average of 10,323. This figure is down -7.01% on the same time in the previous season, and down -0.97% on last seasons final average. The main thing that the comparison with last season is reflecting is the splitting up of the attendance in Melbourne with a third club. Attendance in Melbourne at this stage last season totalled 190,665 and this season it is 193,871 but there has been 17 games so far this season which is 6 more than at this stage last season. To be fair a lot of that would be Victory fans staying home because we've been shit.
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Gyfox
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+x+x+xsportsindustry@footyindustryAUWith one match to go on NYE, Round 12 of the 2019-20 A-league season has been attended by 38,800 people taking the season total to 598,726 at an average of 10,323. This figure is down -7.01% on the same time in the previous season, and down -0.97% on last seasons final average. The main thing that the comparison with last season is reflecting is the splitting up of the attendance in Melbourne with a third club. Attendance in Melbourne at this stage last season totalled 190,665 and this season it is 193,871 but there has been 17 games so far this season which is 6 more than at this stage last season. To be fair a lot of that would be Victory fans staying home because we've been shit. 7k down in the first game of the season wouldn't be that would it?
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