If its true

From what ive heard golec was told he was either going to start or see a fair amount of game time and none eventuated was not told either

You cant say best defender but not ready to play in the format but choose boogard who is not as good defending and not good with the format

6 games no clean sheets

this is more then not ready to play in the format i think.

End of season and wants to stay if offered a contract. Can go elsewhere but says love of the fans wants to keep playing for united.

I keep hearing about the possibility of Lucha$h joining the Reds.

I certainly don't want him and I'm sure this'll only hasten Golec's departure.

Now I admired LN for his stout work in Germany, although I thought his number was up in Seth Efrika. Being captain of our NT is something not to be sneezed at either, but his lack of pace is really a bridge too far, especially when we've got a 194cm, fast bloke who should be playing.
Lucas lost any of my respect when he started chasing $'s, giving it to the young upcoming players.
His meltdown on Tuesday night indicates, to me, that he knows that he's not good enough.

So if anyone with influence @ the club reads this forum - PLEASE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER HIM.

Edited by redcup: 22/11/2013 07:39:42 PM

I wonder where you heard that... :lol:

Josep's the coach and it's his decision. If he thinks he's not up to it, then he's not.

:lol: ;)

We are keeping alot of the ball but we playing better football then last season ? unsure but he has been given 2 years to prove it.

Edited by liverpoolfan2010: 23/11/2013 12:20:54 AM

You realize 80 percent of players are doing that.

and nearly every Aussie in the middle east now.

Regarding Neill, IF we are going to sign a new CB then I would prefer it to be a player with more of a natural understanding of how Gombau wants to play out from the back. Don't get me wrong here, Neill >>> Boogaard as a defender but I would like us to persist with Golec more than anything first and foremost, as I feel he has potential. Neill's attitude isn't the problem for me, I just can't see him playing past the WC (if he even goes). I want to see a longer-term solution to our CB situation - I just don't think Neill can provide that.

If you are trying to build a style and a team to play that style over the long term, then signing a player who:
A) doesn't really suit that style, and
b) will only be at the club for the remainder of one season
doesn't seem like a logical step to take.

I think people are underestimating neill here. He is perfectly capable of playing out from the back, he's actually quite a good passer, he's just old style and willing to bomb it long under lots of pressure or lacking options, even then his medium to long balls aren't bad as we saw against Costa Rica.

The big issue would be his pace. Would it be worth having him in the side when we are playing such a high line/press.

I reckon you're right on the money here.
United are going to be up shit creek at the end of the season as a lot of the players are out of contract.

The though of Sydney getting Carrusca is frightening.

Boogard and mckain are not much faster at all.

I feel the same about golec but he is not getting a chance anyway he is 4th choice atm

i would rather have neill at cb then mckain or boogard. Both have too toooooo many brain fades.

Edited by liverpoolfan2010: 23/11/2013 02:28:46 PM

Say something to cheer me up.

What are we going to do after that?

Mabil should start, not convinced that Ferreria or Cirio offer enough on the wings consistently so one of them could be replaced.

Give Golec and Elsey a start, they can hardly be worse than what has been happening.

Well I don't know if it'll cheer you up, but here's my take on things:

Cirio has good skills with the ball at his feet but lacks pace. A handy player, maybe he can try playing right in behind the striker?

Ferreira, as much as I love him, is too hot and cold. All he is depending on lately is his pace, and defenders know this.

Bruce gives us the physical presence we need up front - having players like Jeronimo, Cirio and so on playing off him could be very fruitful.

Boogaard out. Zullo is not a LB. Malik is not a CB, but is a better CB than Boogaard, funny that. McKain isn't the leader we need, either. Eugene is off this season, not that he's exactly getting much help though. Neill isn't the answer - we need a central defensive pairing that we will be able to depend on for a long time.

We could play Isaias and Malik together as screeners in front of the back four, which will hopefully help to fix our defence which is looser than a (insert quote of choice here).

Elrich for me is the only one not on notice, but part of that is because his replacement(s) at RB give me nightmares.

That Adelaide performance was beyond pathetic. Don't they know that the object of the game is to score goals (or at least get a shot on target.) That effort would have disgraced an Under 12 team.

Agree with most of what you say. We could go something like


-----------Galekovic
-----Elsey -----McKain -----Golec
Elrich----------Malik------------Zullo
----------Isaias------Carrusca
----------------Neumann
----------------Djite

Not sure why some of you guys are livid about the performance.

3 brain fades by the defence = 3 goals scored against. Oh and a missed penalty when the game was in the balance.

I really hope that the players don't put their heads down and end up getting the coach sacked but instead acknowledge that the way they are playing is the way forward and that individual mistakes cost them the game.

I don't mind what we try but please let's drop the pretense that Isaias offers us anything.

We can put it in the same bin with the "this is all the players fault" theory. Without doubt the players bear responsibility for much of the problem but a manager's job is far more than implementing a system. It involves player management and morale and - strangely enough accountability to the fans for putting out a team capable of competing. In a professional league results are lifeblood. We are a not an U-16 development squad. Four losses out of five games is bad. Especially when the holes at the back have looked as wide and consistent every week, at home and away. It's pretty clear that fans and players are starting to lose confidence.

This can be turned around but maybe the plan needs to be implemented gradually so we can still hold our heads up in company.

As for the 'individual errors' idea, every game is won and lost on individual errors and individual brilliance to some extent. That's why sport is so wonderful and terrible. The reality is that players tend to make more 'individual' errors when they don't understand the system they're playing or that system leaves them vulnerable. Ball-playing football is hardly a new idea. And it's still a good idea. But it's not the only idea and we're not playing it well.

Yet.

Edited by jessesdad: 23/11/2013 10:55:22 PM

The mental fragility is something that has been present in Adelaide United for a while now. It's a scary predicament because so often it seems like the team needs a goal scored against them for them to realise there's a professional football match on, but once they concede, unless they score whilst they're on top they will inevitably let their heads drop. I can't remember the last time we came from behind to win a match. Too many players go AWOL as soon as the going gets tough.

Look at MV tonight - a man down for over half the match, and still went out and chased a winner, as well as sticking to their guns and holding out in defence. They have such resilience, and that is something I can't say I've seen from an AU team for quite some time.

I can't blame the system or the players lack of understanding for their ineptitude.


You're losing because your players are fucking up at crucial moments. Really how can you blame the coach for Malik playing the offside trap 1 minute after the pass is made for the first goal, then a Benny Hill defending moment for the second goal, and the defender misjudging a keeper's long ball for the third. And the penalty was as shit as shit can be.
But at least the players have a system and a vision to play with and they pulled it off for about 70 minutes.

I think there's a big difference between what's going at my club and AU. We're losing because our manager and his assistance are inept simply have NFI other than boot it long to the wings and hope.

What I see is happening at AU is the same pattern we've seen before in Australian football: when a foreign manager comes in and is asked to implement a new philosophy and it doesn't immediately bear fruit we focus on the managers "foreigness" and start talking about how his ideas don't match the "Aussie spirit, mentality" etc. And the players will be the first to fuck him over even though about half of the squad are very average footballers.

Our defenders are not good enough Boogard mckain and malik should be played DM have not had a clean sheet yet something has to change or it will be the worst season so far.

Yes people may say it takes time it takes time but we should see improvement and we are not yes we can hold the ball but we aren't creating enough chances and the defense and have brain explosions every game

something has got to change.

I can't blame the system or the players lack of understanding for their ineptitude.


You're losing because your players are fucking up at crucial moments. Really how can you blame the coach for Malik playing the offside trap 1 minute after the pass is made for the first goal, then a Benny Hill defending moment for the second goal, and the defender misjudging a keeper's long ball for the third. And the penalty was as shit as shit can be.
But at least the players have a system and a vision to play with and they pulled it off for about 70 minutes.

I think there's a big difference between what's going at my club and AU. We're losing because our manager and his assistance are inept simply have NFI other than boot it long to the wings and hope.

What I see is happening at AU is the same pattern we've seen before in Australian football: when a foreign manager comes in and is asked to implement a new philosophy and it doesn't immediately bear fruit we focus on the managers "foreigness" and start talking about how his ideas don't match the "Aussie spirit, mentality" etc. And the players will be the first to fuck him over even though about half of the squad are very average footballers.[/quote


But we didnt play like that last season and was more successful. Cant keep playing like we are unless we show improvement what is out system keep the ball make 2 chances a game and brain fade at the back ?

Playing 3 at the back with the worst centre-back pairing ever to wear a Red shirt(Malik & Boogard) was always going to end in tears:( I'm not sure even with the most skilful defenders on the planet that you could confidently play a high line at the back and expect the A-League Linesmen to get the offside calls correct more often than not.


PS: How the flying f**k can Golec not get a go? Hes skillful and mobile..Malik plays like he's stoned..wanders around in a daze:( We are a sad joke of a club and we will not win anything whilst we piss fart around with this experiment. time is soon coming to declare it a failure and move on.

If Gombau wasn't a foreigner, he'd be out on his arse by Christmas, but somehow with our cultural cringe, his accent buys him an 18 month free pass:(
I feel so sorry for those hardy souls that made the trek to Melbourne..the club owes them an apology for delivering such a pathetic performance.

God dammit are you kidding me? We're 7 games into the season, playing a completely different style. 7. Hell apart from our defensive lapses we completely dominated the victory. I can't believe people are so fickle that they are so blind to what's being done at the club.


I for one don't want to finish 2 or 3 or 4, I don't want to win a few games just to be competitive then not actually win anything. I want to be the best, I want the club to finish first, dominate the league and raise it to a new standard. If it means that we have to lose a few games at the start of this season, and wait till next to get it perfect then so be it. I'd rather wait for success than have a half arsed attempt at it to appease some people.

I really hope the management isn't as fickle as some of our supporters.

Edited by capac: 24/11/2013 09:16:36 AM

Shocking just how bad we lack any penetration. I can't remember us opening MV up all...

The only time I can remember a player getting through the defense was Jeronimo winning the penalty and could not even score that one.
A couple of times players took speculative shots when there was a pass on, but most of the time just kept missing that missing the final pass.
I thought Djite held onto the ball well when he came on, the only slight positive from the game.

If our defence remains unchanged next match then there is something seriously wrong. Still without a clean sheet this season, and constant defensive errors.

I'm not fickle! I've had doubts about the coach and players since day 1:lol:

All that I can see happening at Adelaide is that a coach is trying to implement a system that is not suitable for the A League, with inadequate players.

But, hey, he is Spanish, so he must know what is good for us simple Australians!

1. shot. on. target. ( from the penalty)
c'mon, who is blind to the reality of the situation now capac?

Roar are top of the table playing a pretty similar way so I don't buy into the Australian players can't play it arguement. Give the guy some time FFS, we've been shit for 4 years and even before that we were up and down.