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Waz
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The biggest news in Australian football in the past month has been the success of local coaches.Ange Postecoglou became the first Australian to win a major club title abroad after leading Yokohama F. Marinos to the J.League title. His long-time assistant, former Joeys coach Peter Cklamovski, was appointed as the head coach of rival J.League club Shimizu S-Pulse on the back of success with Yokohama. Then Kevin Muscat, who led Melbourne Victory to two A-League championships, landed a senior technical position at top-tier Belgian club Sint-Truiden. But for all the recent pioneering work of Australian coaches, one thing continues to hold them back: Australian coaching badges.
The aforementioned trio have all passed the highest coaching course in Australia, the FFA/AFC Pro Licence, which allows them to coach senior club and national teams. Unfortunately, it restricts their work options to Asia. European football's governing body, UEFA, does not acknowledge Australia's highest coaching badge, or any badges from Asia. No coach is feeling the sting of this more than Muscat. He must complete another Pro Licence coaching course in Europe before officially taking up his role at Sint-Truiden – despite already holding the equivalent in Australia – which could take as long as 12 months. According to Glenn Warry, the chief executive of Football Coaches Australia, which is the national union for coaching, the lack of recognition has been a long-held concern. "It's been an issue for a number of years," he said. "Obviously, going to Asia it's OK – we have a history of Australian coaches going to Asia. With coaches wanting to go into Europe in recent years, it's obviously been an issue." Much of those concerns have to do with costs. Coaches must complete a C licence, B licence and then A licence that allow them to lead youth teams, work as assistants and coach in lower leagues before undertaking the Pro licence to be able to work as a top-tier head coach. Currently, the FFA Pro Licence alone costs up to $13,000, takes up to 12 months to finish and no more than 15 applicants are accepted each year to undertake the course. Initially, there was a lack of clarity around its recognition. One senior Australian coach said he studied in one of the first intakes of the new system several years ago and was given the impression it would be recognised by UEFA. The Sun-Herald sought comment from FFA, but they did not respond. However sources close to the organisation say it is working towards reducing the costs of coaching courses as well as working with the AFC to have its badges recognised in Europe."My major concern is that we want to get the cost down, particularly in the C, B and A licences for the local punter and I believe the FFA are working towards that," Warry said. "There is no doubt that coach education is a massive revenue earner for the FFA, and I would like to see more of that money go back into coaching rather than consolidating revenue in order to support coach education further. "The other major concern is for people like Ange, Graham [Arnold] and Kevin, Tony [Popovic] and other leading Australian coaches who want to coach in Europe. At the moment they have to do a UEFA Pro licence." There has been a recent trend of Australian coaches side-stepping the FFA courses for more affordable and better recognised courses in Europe. Arsenal women's coach Joe Montemurro studied at the famed Coverciano in Italy, earning his UEFA Pro Licence, while Tim Cahill is studying for his UEFA B licence in Wales.
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HeyItsRobbie
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Makes the FFA/AFC licences redundant in my opinion
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BullsFC
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+xMakes the FFA/AFC licences redundant in my opinion It does but there needed for ACL etc, plus its good to educate coaches as some just don't have a clue.
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HeyItsRobbie
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+x+xMakes the FFA/AFC licences redundant in my opinion It does but there needed for ACL etc, plus its good to educate coaches as some just don't have a clue. bloody rubbish if thats the case. in my opinion, coaches with UEFA licences should be way ahead of everyone who want to apply to coach an a-league side. the FFA/AFC licences should only apply for the NPLs.
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scubaroo
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+x+xMakes the FFA/AFC licences redundant in my opinion It does but there needed for ACL etc, plus its good to educate coaches as some just don't have a clue. So if you have the Uefa licences you don't need the AFC one right? So if you throwing $13,000 at them in Australia and you can't use it outside Asia, why not go to Europe complete the cheaper one and be more qualified?
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City Sam
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What's the actual reason they aren't deemed as legit? Are they that crap?
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BullsFC
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Its more beneficial to do your UEFA licence then AFC Pro. There are still coaches in the NPL using OFC A licences so go figger.
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HeyItsRobbie
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+xWhat's the actual reason they aren't deemed as legit? Are they that crap? theres a reason why europe is the heartland of football. if you wanna coach an a-league side, go get the UEFA licence or dont bother at all does Ange have a UEFA licence?
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lebo_roo
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+x+xWhat's the actual reason they aren't deemed as legit? Are they that crap? theres a reason why europe is the heartland of football. if you wanna coach an a-league side, go get the UEFA licence or dont bother at all does Ange have a UEFA licence? Thats what i want to know does Ange have a UEFA pro license? According to transfermarkt.com his former longtime assistant Peter Cklamovski has one but it doesnt say whether Ange has one.
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melbourne_terrace
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Yeah this partly is why i did my coaching badges in Europe and stayed the hell away from the FFA courses (the other reason was the cost). There was no way i was going to do all that just to find out it's completely useless in Europe.
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Teza
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That’s an interesting one. I believe the Oceania licences (they only go to A ) are recognised by UEFA which is strange because they are pretty much identical to the FFA/Asia licences in content ([ut together by the same guys I think). I’ve also been told by someone who has a UEFA B that the content in the NZ/Aus C licence is more in depth than his B licence was.
maybe just a case of the AFC/FFA not working hard enough to get them recognised.
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dirk vanadidas
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English fa will recognise but not equal FFA a becomes b B become level 2 C b comes level 1 the grass roots attendance level, lol Also English fa look down on Welsh and Scottish as they are easier to pass.
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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paladisious
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So dodgy. FIFA should do their job and standardise licences across the board so other FAs and Confederations all have to recognise each others'.
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MarkfromCroydon
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This is just standard money making by UEFA.
Everyone does it.
You do not recognise a rival providers product, and make people buy your own product.
The AFC should really be pressuring UEFA for a pathway to have AFC qualifications recognised by UEFA.
In reality, it would simply mean AFC paying a fee to UEFA each year and a UEFA official to get a junket each year to come to ASIA and sign off that the course AFC is providing is o.k by UEFA.
Who said restrictive trade practices were dead!
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Gyfox
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Some time ago AFC had UEFA representatives in Japan(?) looking at what was needed to lift the AFC qualifications up to UEFA standards. If I find the link I will post it.
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Never realised this to be the case and surprised it’s only been spoken about publicly now.
Definately agree with the posters than aspiring coaches should do their badges in Europe to avoid this in future if they have goals of coaching in Europe.
Obviously some may wish to stay on the comfort of our shores due to family etc
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dirk vanadidas
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Northern Ireland is a good place for uefa badges, the quality is a bit dubious, but hey you just need to tick the box aka Jim magillton
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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paladisious
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+xNorthern Ireland is a good place for uefa badges, the quality is a bit dubious, but hey you just need to tick the box aka Jim magillton How funny is it that Jim Magilton's licence is worth more than Ange Postecoglu's. FIFA, sort it the fuck out.
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Waz
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+xNever realised this to be the case and surprised it’s only been spoken about publicly now. Definately agree with the posters than aspiring coaches should do their badges in Europe to avoid this in future if they have goals of coaching in Europe. Obviously some may wish to stay on the comfort of our shores due to family etc It’s been an open debate for years. It’s why players like Thomas Broich go back to Europe to do their licences rather than enter coaching here.
And it’s a two way thing - the FFA initially refused to recognise new Roar Assistant coach Tony Grant’s A-Licence and barred him from the technical area despite his licence being accepted in the EPL.
As several posters point out, it’s a FIFA issue to sort out and it shouldn’t be that hard to do.
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jas88
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why do we do everything backwards here?
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dirk vanadidas
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Even klinsman is having problems with his badges from Mexico and Brazil
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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