Brisbane Roar ramp up plans for $60 million new home


Brisbane Roar ramp up plans for $60 million new home

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Mello-D - 6 Feb 2020 12:29 PM
I don't think they'd come out and announce it in the media like this if they didn't think it was a pretty realistic possibility. The backlash if it turns out to be bullshit would be huge. 

Especially after the Western United shambles 
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Waz - 6 Feb 2020 1:27 PM
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Unfortunately I don’t think it’s Perry Park, Strikers don’t want Roar there, and local residents don’t want a stadium there so too problematic. 

I’m not sure it can cope with regular 10k crowds either. It’s all very well saying “there’s a train station” but four trains an hour would be lucky to move 5,000 people. 

There’s a number of smaller sporting sites across Brisbane that are under utilised (the outdoor velodrome, Albion Park, several rugby venues, a couple of athletic venues ... 

Chandler would be a pretty good option long term.
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aok - 6 Feb 2020 1:29 PM
Waz - 6 Feb 2020 1:27 PM

Chandler would be a pretty good option long term.

That’s come up a few times. I’ve never been there but driven past the site a few times. 
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Waz - 6 Feb 2020 1:27 PM
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Unfortunately I don’t think it’s Perry Park, Strikers don’t want Roar there, and local residents don’t want a stadium there so too problematic. 

I’m not sure it can cope with regular 10k crowds either. It’s all very well saying “there’s a train station” but four trains an hour would be lucky to move 5,000 people. 

There’s a number of smaller sporting sites across Brisbane that are under utilised (the outdoor velodrome, Albion Park, several rugby venues, a couple of athletic venues ... 

I dont know why you would say that perry park trains couldn't handle 5000 people. every line runs through bowen hills. meaning 20-30 trains an hour. along with roma st, central and the valley it is the best serviced station. 
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Waz - 6 Feb 2020 1:39 PM
aok - 6 Feb 2020 1:29 PM

That’s come up a few times. I’ve never been there but driven past the site a few times. 

Massive chunk of land, close to the Gateway and Carindale (which serves as a bus hub on Roar matchdays).  No trains, but could easily accommodate crowds with room for a carpark and stacks of buses.
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sirhcdobo - 6 Feb 2020 1:40 PM
Waz - 6 Feb 2020 1:27 PM

I dont know why you would say that perry park trains couldn't handle 5000 people. every line runs through bowen hills. meaning 20-30 trains an hour. along with roma st, central and the valley it is the best serviced station. 

That might be true, it’s certainly one if the better stations. I’m basing my comments on complaints after the cup games held there in the recent past 
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aok - 6 Feb 2020 1:46 PM
Waz - 6 Feb 2020 1:39 PM

Massive chunk of land, close to the Gateway and Carindale (which serves as a bus hub on Roar matchdays).  No trains, but could easily accommodate crowds with room for a carpark and stacks of buses.

It will fail then
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WSF - 6 Feb 2020 1:53 PM
aok - 6 Feb 2020 1:46 PM

It will fail then

They've had 2 commonwealth games at the venue and had no problem moving the crowds that attended.
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Waz - 6 Feb 2020 1:47 PM
sirhcdobo - 6 Feb 2020 1:40 PM

That might be true, it’s certainly one if the better stations. I’m basing my comments on complaints after the cup games held there in the recent past 

Suncorp having the bridge as a direct link to Milton certainly helps. If anyone ever did anything at Perry Park, they'd surely have to built a tunnel underneath the main Road so people could avoid crossing at the lights. 
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aok - 6 Feb 2020 1:55 PM
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They've had 2 commonwealth games at the venue and had no problem moving the crowds that attended.

Commonwealth games  and A-League games............... big difference. One is a once off massive event every few years while the other is small and weekly.

I'm not talking about moving the crowds, I'm talking about getting the crowds there, if you think 10k+ people will be catching the bus or driving there every week then you are dreaming.
Its all about convenience, which a close by train (5-10 min walk to stadium) is needed, especially with the a-league being up and down, if people find it hard to get to the venue they will stay home and just watch on tv.
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WSF - 6 Feb 2020 2:00 PM
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Commonwealth games  and A-League games............... big difference. One is a once off massive event every few years while the other is small and weekly.

I'm not talking about moving the crowds, I'm talking about getting the crowds there, if you think 10k+ people will be catching the bus or driving there every week then you are dreaming.
Its all about convenience, which a close by train (5-10 min walk to stadium) is needed, especially with the a-league being up and down, if people find it hard to get to the venue they will stay home and just watch on tv.

yeah chandler would definitely turn me off. an hour and 2 busses from the city (not including any wait time to get onto a non-full bus at the change over), getting on 2 hours from the inner west.  the problem being that the hub is carindale. even if they are pumping busses in and out of chandler instead of dispersing in every direction like at suncorp you get a second bottleneck at carindale where every passenger has to go through. long lines to get on the bus to and from is going to kill the crowd. 
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sirhcdobo - 6 Feb 2020 2:19 PM
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yeah chandler would definitely turn me off. an hour and 2 busses from the city (not including any wait time to get onto a non-full bus at the change over), getting on 2 hours from the inner west.  the problem being that the hub is carindale. even if they are pumping busses in and out of chandler instead of dispersing in every direction like at suncorp you get a second bottleneck at carindale where every passenger has to go through. long lines to get on the bus to and from is going to kill the crowd. 

You hit a fundamental nail on the head - unless the new stadium is next to Suncorp someone is going to have a big problem. 

It’s chandler for you but it could be Richlands for others and so on ... 

Roar have to understand this ... and try and mitigate what they can

But fans also have to understand there are limitations - close to the CBD is expensive land, close to railway lines is also expensive ... there will be no one location that please everyone 

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Who pays for this?
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How much space at Roma Park near the station?

Clear Contact There

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thekingmb - 6 Feb 2020 2:37 PM
Who pays for this?

I think the article was referring to a public/private partnership.  So Roar, city, state and Feds.
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aok - 6 Feb 2020 2:49 PM
thekingmb - 6 Feb 2020 2:37 PM

I think the article was referring to a public/private partnership.  So Roar, city, state and Feds.

Interesting. Bakries been fairly tight.
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thekingmb - 6 Feb 2020 2:52 PM
aok - 6 Feb 2020 2:49 PM

Interesting. Bakries been fairly tight.

there is a big difference between splashing money on players which is unlikely to see a return on investment and spending on property which will only gain in value over time .

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miron mercedes - 6 Feb 2020 3:08 PM
thekingmb - 6 Feb 2020 2:52 PM

there is a big difference between splashing money on players which is unlikely to see a return on investment and spending on property which will only gain in value over time .

exactly, add in a club house next door and watch the money come in
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Waz - 6 Feb 2020 2:37 PM
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You hit a fundamental nail on the head - unless the new stadium is next to Suncorp someone is going to have a big problem. 

It’s chandler for you but it could be Richlands for others and so on ... 

Roar have to understand this ... and try and mitigate what they can

But fans also have to understand there are limitations - close to the CBD is expensive land, close to railway lines is also expensive ... there will be no one location that please everyone 

But the article specifically mentions a "site near the city’s CBD" also mentions a "site with existing viable transport links and infrastructure" which covers both?

Transport links could just be buses and cars I guess though, not trainline.
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As I posted on the roar page, Victory Park Golf course is going to be a golf course no more. It plan to be a park and function center. But the lands not very flat. Only really on the RBH side.
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I'd be interested to see the breakdown of people who drive vs public transport to Hindmarsh Stadium actually.

I feel like a pretty large % would drive or especially did before the tram line.



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lolitsbigmic - 6 Feb 2020 3:23 PM
As I posted on the roar page, Victory Park Golf course is going to be a golf course no more. It plan to be a park and function center. But the lands not very flat. Only really on the RBH side.

But the vision for that is to turn it in to a Central Park for Brisbane not private land. Plus there’s no transport there. 
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I don't know much about Brisbane other than visiting for a week once but from searching on Google Earth and Google Maps I've always thought that Western Districts Rugby Clubs set up at Toowong Memorial Park could become a great boutique stadium.  The existing structure on the western side of the ground already covers the 100m length try line to try line and the existing seating could be increased from 300 to say 1,000 capacity.  The continuous floor to ceiling glazing on the first floor would be able to be modified for corporate boxes etc..  On the other 3 sides a single tier roofed stand  with a capacity of 10,000+ would finish off a nice upgrade.  Pity about the large trees on the eastern side though.

NB.  You can view the existing stand from ground level on the pitch on Google Maps.  Just move the little yellow person onto the blue dot on the pitch.
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miron mercedes - 6 Feb 2020 3:08 PM
thekingmb - 6 Feb 2020 2:52 PM

there is a big difference between splashing money on players which is unlikely to see a return on investment and spending on property which will only gain in value over time .

so true, if a club owner can get a good deal on a land package, makes it all the more worthwhile

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Gyfox - 6 Feb 2020 4:00 PM
I don't know much about Brisbane other than visiting for a week once but from searching on Google Earth and Google Maps I've always thought that Western Districts Rugby Clubs set up at Toowong Memorial Park could become a great boutique stadium.  The existing structure on the western side of the ground already covers the 100m length try line to try line and the existing seating could be increased from 300 to say 1,000 capacity.  The continuous floor to ceiling glazing on the first floor would be able to be modified for corporate boxes etc..  On the other 3 sides a single tier roofed stand  with a capacity of 10,000+ would finish off a nice upgrade.  Pity about the large trees on the eastern side though.

NB.  You can view the existing stand from ground level on the pitch on Google Maps.  Just move the little yellow person onto the blue dot on the pitch.

I've never really thought about this place before, looks quite good on first glance. Can't imagine the rugby union club wanting to give it up though.
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It had me until I read it needed government support.





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Gyfox - 6 Feb 2020 4:00 PM
NB.  You can view the existing stand from ground level on the pitch on Google Maps.  Just move the little yellow person onto the blue dot on the pitch.

I spend way too much time doing that on google maps with many stadiums all over the world. :)

In fact just now at work I was giving myself a tour of the Castelao in Brazil, great stadium!
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paladisious - 6 Feb 2020 5:00 PM
Gyfox - 6 Feb 2020 4:00 PM

I spend way too much time doing that on google maps with many stadiums all over the world. :)

In fact just now at work I was giving myself a tour of the Castelao in Brazil, great stadium!

Thanks to both of you, that's awesome.
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hames_jetfield - 6 Feb 2020 4:55 PM
It had me until I read it needed government support.



what's wrong with that?
realistically, it ain't ever going to happen without some level of support

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