Generally, it is ignorance when people formulate arguments on the single concept of "vaccine" --- without distinguishing between flu-vaxes and MRNA vaxes.

Firstly, the damage rates for flu-vax vs. Covid-vax is off the charts for Covid. This is also seen on the Australian TGA DAEN database.



It's not just a numbers game, but is explained from the chemical differences.

With conventional vaccines such as flu vaxes, they operate by injecting a foreign invasive substance into your body (de-activated portion of the virus), and then your body responds NATURALLY by creating antibodies to fight the foreign invading substance that has been injected.

Whereas, with the new-tech MRNA vaccines, a messenger MRNA code is injected into your body. And your body reacts TOTALLY UN-NATURALLY in that the cells in your body are forced - by the code in the messenger MRNA -- to become little factories to manufacture the spike protein. Note, it is your body's cells that are creating the spikes inside your body's cells. (This is GMO technology now being applied to humans). Then your body generates antibodies by fighting the spike proteins that were manufactured INSIDE the cells of your body.

This is the whopping big difference.

So any arguments such as  -- "I take a flu jab every year so it's no big deal to take a yearly Covid vax" -- is just based on ignorance of the difference in the underlying technology.

Because the cells of your body are creating the spike proteins, many months ago, doctors predicted this would lead to AUTOIMMUNE diseases, because the body attacks the foreign substance that is being CREATED BY YOUR CELLS. i.e. the body attacks the cells of your body.

Thus, in this Pfizer vaccine document that was forced out of them by Freedom of Information, the word "autoimmune" appears 46 times.

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

Now, this month, two German medical professors -- Arne Burkhardt and Sucharit Bhakdi - have shown that autopsies reveal autoimmune attack on organs due to the spike proteins created by the Covid vaccines, particularly the heart and lungs.

https://www.brighteon.com/a25996df-e838-4f15-b670-084d8e1c2458

https://coronanews123.wordpress.com/2021/12/24/first-systematic-vaccine-death-autopsies-show-immune-systems-attacking-own-organs/

Even if you call these medical professors as "quacks" -- and mock and rubbish them -- at least, in a quiet moment where you wonder about life -- at least become familiar with the arguments that they are putting forward.

Even if you act ignorant in public because of bravado to appear cool to the mob, it does not hurt to acquire the knowledge that is being argued by the other side? Knowing how the other side thinks allows you to intelligently tear apart their arguments, rather than just swearing and ranting.

This is not a football game, where it is fun to act as hoons behind your side's goalposts, lighting flares. This is about your health and those of your children. Even if you hide behind the "the Media knows best" - it does not cost you anything to hear the evidence and arguments of experienced university professors such as Arne Burkhardt and Sucharit Bhakdi.

A few months ago, Dr Peter McCullough predicted this would happen, and now the autopsies done by Dr. Arne Burkhardt now provides the evidence and proof that this actually happens.

Ahh yes Peter McCullough, a man closely associated with the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a conservative-aligned group that has posted articles claiming vaccines cause autism,  HIV doesn't cause AIDS and that Obama used hypnosis to get people to vote for him:

https://aapsonline.org/american-children-need-access-to-better-vaccines/

https://www.jpands.org/vol12no4/bauer.pdf

https://aapsonline.org/oratory-or-hypnotic-induction/

Yep, no political agenda to see here.  Just an honest search for the "truth" ("truth" being a registered trademark of Clive Palmer's United Australia Party)

yes its been quite evident this discredited 'doctor' is on the far right wing grift bandwagon that the facebook nutjobs drool over

Testing is not putting strain on the hospital system. It’s different resources. People having covid should be tested, it was the moronic politicians that demanded them before flights. 

I read an article that there were 1000 health workers in isolation. Out of action at a critical time

200 were infected, 800 fell under the mathematical direction to isolate. Those 800 people also now have to line up for miles waiting hours for testing while car load after car load of healthy people follow the same checklist

Not only but but there will be supply issues with rapid tests just like toilet paper. And the cost involved means there will be invested interest in forcing tests

There is no sense trying to test and trace around 35000 daily cases simply because thats what we decided to do in 2020. Australia needs an adaptable model

Testing kits should be sent to front line workers and aged care facilities so we can set up a rapid testing structure in the places it matters most. Every testing kit in the hands of the general public checking to see if they are still OK after buying a bag of oranges is a waste of resources

After 2 years finally got pinged as being in a place where someone was covid positive but because of the new rules no need to isolate or get tested unless your showing symptoms.

So far no symptoms. Winner.

Also John Smith, new year, same cockhead.

Mate I've had 6 of these in the last week. 😂

Also had a positive rapid antigen test on New Years day (woke up with a sore throat) but followed up by two negatives. Sore throat went away a few hours later and I've felt perfectly fine since, but who knows? 

The 1000 health workers were given an exemption and ordered back to work on 31 December by the Health Minister. 

I think the government is currently paying around $85 for a PCR test. If they switched to paying for RAT, it would be much cheaper (they cost around $2 retail in Europe) and we can manufacture them in Australia. 

The NSW Government has also committed to delivering 50m RATs for free by the end of January like the UK model, not what was decided in 2020 - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/covid-rapid-antigen-tests-suppliers-deny-pressing-pm-to-abandon-commitment-to-provide-free-kits 

Here are also NSW guidelines on when to use a RAT (it's not for buying a bag of oranges) - https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/testing/how-testing-works/rapid-antigen-self-tests-for-community

Health workers should probably get direct access to the more reliable PCR as well (they do get expedited results). 

Congrats. Like SFC87, I've had about half a dozen notifications as well. Just keep an eye out for the next two weeks (as you normally would anyway). 

the pandemic of the unvaccinated is putting huge pressure on our hospital system

the only way out is another lockdown until we can get everyone boosted

My oranges example wasn't valid due to the food shortages in NSW as a result of too many people being forced into isolation at the same time. A lesson people should have learnt from Shepparton

25k cases, and 4-5 close contacts each, thats 100k-125k new people being isolated for a week every day. Its not the hospital system thats going to break first (did read an article today saying 50% of hospitalisations in NSW were people there for a different reason, but with Covid). Dont forget also, there is no definition about people who have previously had Covid. So the likelihood is people are going to have to isolate 4 or 5 times

As I said, testing and tracing is going to destroy Australia. 50m kits might sound like a lot but thats on 5 per person in NSW for a 12 month requirement

Imagine if those kits were sent to aged care homes and nobody is allowed to enter without taking a rapid test in the reception area. I'm not saying I have thought the idea through enough to be raising it as a legit idea, but the gist of it is the success of our Covid fight is going to come down to how our scarce resources are allocated. Who gets the testing, who should be hospitalised, who should be locked away for 7 days

The general public response should be self isolation if sick, and management of how they conduct themselves. Everything else is just a waste of resources and an unnecessary burden on society

Europe have shown the best way forward is to ensure everybody is vaccinated.
the LNP let is rip policy is destroying the healthcare system.

This isn't the first time you have mentioned humans and "6,000 years"...
I can't say I'm surprised

Er, mate, you've gotta be kidding, this thing about "pandemic of the unvaccinated"?

If you're a person that slurps up everything the Media says, then, sure, you'd say that.

But if you do these searches, you'll see numerous stories of people getting Covid who were double-vaxed, such as Mel McLaughlin who, despite being double jabbed and triple booster, caught Covid, and caused the entire Channel 7 broadcast team to be off air.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/the-ashes/channel-7-presenter-mel-mclaughlin-caught-covid19-during-boxing-day-test-at-the-mcg/news-story/c8839a478499afaad27943f66a8fbe0f

Do these searches, and see the number of fully-vaccinated people getting Covid.

"tested positive" vaccinated site:theage.com.au

"tested positive" vaccinated site:smh.com.au

I know you won't bother to do that yourself, so here are some of the top hits in the search:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fully-vaccinated-travellers-test-positive-in-sydney-hotel-quarantine-20210507-p57pt4.html

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/gallen-fight-cancelled-after-aloiai-contracts-covid-19-20211124-p59bqk.html

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/deputy-pm-barnaby-joyce-tests-positive-to-covid-19-20211209-p59g3m.html

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-ceo-tests-positive-for-covid-19-20211116-p599ew.html

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/nfl/immunised-rodgers-tests-positive-for-covid-19-amid-reports-he-is-unvaccinated-20211104-p595w8.html

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/basketball/minor-symptoms-vaccinated-cambage-tests-positive-for-covid-19-20210902-p58o5f.html

Also, try this search. Everyone going on cruises now is vaccinated, and yet there are tons of stories of cruise ships coming down with Covid.

"cruise liner" vaccinated covid

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/13/27-vaccinated-people-test-positive-for-covid-on-a-carnival-cruise-ship.html

https://au.news.yahoo.com/passengers-onboard-fully-vaccinated-cruise-ship-test-positive-to-covid-125040867.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/almost-every-cruise-ship-reports-192633901.html

https://au.news.yahoo.com/passengers-onboard-fully-vaccinated-cruise-ship-test-positive-to-covid-125040867.html

Through history, particularly in recent history of WW2, prejudice is spread by well-meaning citizens who swallow everything their ruling masters spread to them through the propaganda.

Test yourself for prejudice. Step 1 - click all the above stories to see Covid spread through vaccinated people, when no un-vaxed are around, Step 2 - this guy cesspit still will continue to spout the "pandemic of the unvaccinated". That is proof he or she is part of the segment of society who are so manipulated by the Media, their mind is beyond changing.

It is people like you, cesspit, even when you are shown the scientific evidence that Covid is spreading through the vaccinated population, because of your "biases", you keep circulating the lie of "pandemic of the un-vaccinated".

There's a scientific reason for the vaccinated being vulnerable to later variants of Covid. It was predicted by Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche. Basically, to sum it up, these new-fangled MRNA vaccines - which mess with the way the cells in your body work, and stuff up the immune system. That's why the prediction, made earlier in 2021, is that the vaccinated will increasingly become vulnerable to a string of variants.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RKU4mEe3fCgw/

there it is again that old right wing anti-semitic trope of comparing the pandemic to World War II diminishing the tragedy by the skyman botherer

its a well known established fact that the vaccinated wont become as ill as the unvaccinated if they catch covid

As I've said, there are some people, no matter how much data/evidence you give them, they're like a recording, churning out the phrases and slogans fed to them at news feeding time.

But I'll try. Maybe you're too far indoctrinated, but other readers on this forum - the silent ones, who read and don't comment -- maybe this might help them.

See this chart which is taken from this research paper. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v2.full-text



It shows that after 3 months, the "vaccine effectiveness" just doesn't just drop to zero, but actually heads into negative territory. This means, a vaccinated person is actually more likely to catch Omicron, than not. This has been explained because the vaccines totally mess with your immune system. Read my above post explaining the difference between these MRNA new-tech jabs, versus the way conventional vaccines have previously worked for hundreds of years.

Look at the above Pfizer graph. After 3-4 months, it is around negative 100. So if a new jab gives you effectiveness of positive 90, at the end of the 3-4 months it is negative 100. Think about that, my friend.

This is no conventional vaccines. You've been suckered into taking a new-tech vaccine that was the first to be used on such a wide scale.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-shows-vaccines-must-be

Here are some articles describing the damage to your immune system.

https://coronanews123.wordpress.com/2021/12/24/first-systematic-vaccine-death-autopsies-show-immune-systems-attacking-own-organs/

https://www.brighteon.com/abc28b81-a25d-4f39-a08d-a107e88654a0
Jessica Rose: Ticking Time Bomb Expert Says Bioweapons Injections Are Destroying Immune System

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/751409/?
Spike protein in COVID virus and shots weakens immune system, may be linked with cancer: Swedish study

Dr Ryan Cole, of Cole Diagnostics - vaccine is harming immune system
https://twitter.com/ToTheLifeboats/status/1430589141344034816

https://theexpose.uk/2021/08/23/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-destroys-t-cells-and-weakens-the-immune-system/
Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine Destroys T Cells and Weakens the Immune System

For your sake, I don't mind if you throw Cr@p at me on this forum -- but if in your quiet moments, you review the evidence and ponder -- then it's worth my efforts. It's ok for you to admit that the Media can be wrong, and it's ok to admit you have been a person whose lifelong devotion to everything the Media tells you, it's what the majority do.

Remember, if these new-tech vaccines do stuff up the immune system, then in the coming years, there'll be all manner of diseases, and they'll never admit it was linked to these MRNA vaccines.

copying and pasting out of context charts which you don't understand from far right conspiracy sites isn't evidence of anything other than the rabbit holes you like to inhabit

Do you think that it's because he's actually a full-on Christian?

Or that he just copy/pasted a quote from some ultra-conservative, evangelical website without realising the significance of the timeframe?

That's a funny idea so out of interest I just looked at his 442 posts in reverse date order....
I make no judgment here

https://forum.insidesport.com.au/175753/Religion#bm175764

Nico, I'll explain why science is not always the appropriate approach to testing whether God exists.
I have studied both science and law, and each are useful under different circumstances.
For repeatable events, Science is best. An experiment is where you perform a repeatable even, and draw conclusions.
For a once-off event, you need to use legal method of analysing the evidence. The resurrection is the ultimate proof, and since this is a once-off event, you cannot use Scientific method to test it. You test it by using the principles that lawyers use to evaluate evidence.

- 3 days after he was buried, his body disappeared. Thereafter, the disciples whipped up a storm in Jerusalem based on his resurrection, which upset the city officials and the Romans.
Source: Read chapters 1-5, book of Acts (after Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts). Note how the apostles were thrown in jail twice by the authorities, and commanded not to preach about Jesus Acts 4:18)

Question: But it is plausible that a dead guy came back to life, HE pushed the "massive sealed stone" and slipped passed the guards??? Riiiiiight. O and Source?
Answer: John 20:26 indicates that after the resurrection, Jesus was no longer limited to the physical dimension, and was able to pass through physical structures. After all, He is God.
Point: heresay isn't acceptable
Remember, the gospels were not written as evidence, but as a record for the early disciples to read. Nevertheless, if we apply the test of whether it qualifies as evidence:
Gospel of Matthew, written by one of Jesus' disciples who saw the resurrected Christ. Evidence.
Gospel of Mark, probably close disciple of Peter. Mark heard the stories from Peter. It was probably written during the lifetime of Peter and other disciples who had seen the events, and they would have voiced disapproval if it had been inaccurate.
Luke was not an eyewitness, but collected the information from early disciples. Probably doesn't meet the standard of court evidence, but is regarded as reliable biography written during the lifetime of the generation that experienced it.
John was Jesus' closest disciple, and was a witness.

I genuinely do not wish to disparage people who are religious.
I know plenty in my family and friends and many of them manage to mix ancient allegories and modern thinking in a rarional manner.

I do see a pattern in his posting style though. You have to admire his consistency

Before I take time to respond, may I ask: what will you do if I give reasonable answers for most points raised. Will you take the next step? There are answers, and I'll take time to answer them, if you are open to becoming a Christian if your questions can be answered to your satisfaction.

I just can't let John Smith get away with this.  

The above links he is posting claim that a study published in The Lancet show that vaccines are destroying T-Cells.   

The actual study is, in fact, observing the reduced efficiency of vaccine-induced antibodies when confronted with variants such as delta.  It doesn't even mention T-Cells:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01290-3/fulltext

If you read the vomit that John Smith has provided links to (daily expose article), you can see the exact point where they have inserted their bullshit into quotes from the actual study (in bold): 

'The study revealed that only 50 percent of the people who received a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine had a quantifiable neutralizing antibody response against the alpha variant of Covid-19. Additionally, this number decreased to just 32 percent and 25 percent for the delta and beta variants, respectively.

Among all variants, fewer antibodies were generated the older the individual receiving the vaccine and those with weaker immune systems. Considering the vaccine’s ability to destroy T cells and weaken the immune system even further, getting vaccinated could cause damage to many people, especially those who have compromised immune systems.

There was no correlation observed for gender or body mass index. Researchers are looking to conduct further studies to check the capabilities of other vaccines, beginning with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.'

Caught out agin you fuckwit. 

I thought we are the most vaccinated country on the planet at about 90-95% double jabbed?? 

Which major European country has more than that?? 
Apart from your Gibraltar's

This and the garbage you have dragged from the archives sheds a whole lot of light on this clown.

It's a fair bet, based on that, that he's a young earth creationist and, seeing most of the adherents are religious zealots, a flat earther too.

Calling him a massive cockhead was way too generous.

See my above post.

Caught red handed again.  

Not that it will change a thing.  

Saw yours. Keep up the good work.

BTW. Jesus Christ, no pun intended, that religion thread is wild. (And I only tipped my toe in slightly.) He's a full on nutjob.

Portugal is among highest vaxed countries.

Do a Google search for -- Covid Portugal -- and they're also having a record-breaking spike.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1063830104/portugal-covid-vaccines-omicron-variant

Do a Google search for - Covid Israel. Even with their 3rd boosters, Israel is now starting another major spike.

At what point do the brain-controlled masses start to realise, the vaccines are not stopping Covid.

If your last line of defence is that, even if the vaccines don't stop Covid, but at least minimises the effects -- you need to realise that the safer alternative of Ivermectin does that too. Far safer too. Except that at $3 a pop, it's not going to make Pharma any billions of profits.

You see the chart where the Pfizer vaccine goes negative 100% effectiveness after 4 months. Whereas Ivermectin has an efficacy of 68% (if taken early) from peer reviewed papers. https://ivmmeta.com/

And yet, a medicine like Ivermectin -- which has been used for humans for decades, with minimal side effects, and won a Nobel Prize, and is on the W.H.O. list of essential medicines for humans -- when the Media yanks the dog chain around your neck, telling you Ivermectin is "horse paste", telling you don't go there -- you believe it.

I guess I'm posting this again since the liar elected to ignore it:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119358?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

We analyzed the neutralization efficiency of the BNT162b2 vaccine against wild-type SARS-CoV-2 and the beta, delta, and omicron variants of concern. Limitations of the study include the small cohort tested and the fact that the test was only an in vitro assay. Nevertheless, we found low neutralization efficiency with two doses of the BNT162b2 vaccine against the wild-type virus and the delta variant, assessed more than 5 months after receipt of the second dose, and no neutralization efficiency against the omicron variant. The importance of a third vaccine dose is clear, owing to the higher neutralization efficiency (by a factor of 100) against the omicron variant after the third dose than after the second dose; however, even with three vaccine doses, neutralization against the omicron variant was lower (by a factor of 4) than that against the delta variant. The durability of the effect of the third dose of vaccine against Covid-19 is yet to be determined.

From Israel. Published 29th December.

its stopping people ending up in ICU

in Australia the majority of people in ICU are unvaxxed

We're having supply chain issues. Woolies CEO was talking about that already. So yes, both the hospital and supply chain are under stress. 

Who also said that the 50m kits was meant to least 12 months? Again, we've been having federally funded PCR tests at $85 each, yet we can't afford a $2 test? No one is ruling out RATs being given to aged care homes. They should probably be used in those setting (per NSW Guidelines). The idea that RATs are a scare resource isn't correct. They are cheap and can be manufactured locally. 

I find it interesting that you're position is that the general public response should be self isolation if sick. But there is currently no way to find out if your sick or not. You still need resources for people to find out if they are sick or not.